Huge explosion in Oslo

[gnosticheresy_2]

I'm sorry to say that i find the whole story unbelievable and coming across as scripted.

She might just tell you to go fuck yourself.

Earlier in this very thread was the SAME account, with what must have been a different translation, which was quite compelling and moving, and MIGHT actually pass your strict muster.

Sheesh.

This place is starting to really get on my nerves.

This girl survives what she did, and you don't like the translation, so you pooh-pooh her whole experience?

Is everybody SO prejudiced here that they refuse to keep open minds and instead jump to conclusions? That's not what I thought this place was about.

Open minds. Bring in all the facts, all the evidence, all the accounts, then try to figure stuff out. While always keeping an open mind.

If you're not keeping an open mind, why not just go hang out at prisonplanet or someplace like that? Why are you here?

Did you know that Norway is world renowned for the number of helicopters per head of population? It's something like 1.2345 choppers per person. Which means the lack of helicopters attending this massacre is the smoking gun that shall lead us to THE TRUTH, y'know just like the magic bullet and controlled demolition did.

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[lupercal]

^ This isn't DU so spare us the cute gatekeeper act, thanks.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Some people say "He should die", others say "Why kill him? Torture him, THEN kill him." But we can't think like this. If we think or say these things, we are acting just like him. Anders B. Breivik should not die, because there is no death penalty in Norway. But he will be imprisoned and he will know what he has done. He will know how incredibly many human lives he has taken and destroyed. And he will know that what he has done can never be undone.

We must stand together and cry, be furious, frustrated and maybe cry some more. Those who have lost someone shall know that all of Norway cries with them and send their thoughts to those who lost their lives on 22.07.2011.

Anne Sofie Rønnfeldt (Age 13), Nesodden

This thirteen year old girl, who I imagine hasn't read Brievik's manifesto or even followed politics much in her short life, is apparently smarter than half the people on this thread. More decent too. What is going on here? FFS indeed.

One of his victims, a teenage boy with leg wounds, was asked today what he thought of Brievik. "I feel sorry for him. He will see that we will not back up from what we are, and the world he wants will never come to pass."

The world he wants would most definitely include torture, execution, heavily militarised police, and extremely harsh prisons. Don't give it to him. Don't even suggest it, because there are plenty of forces out there just waiting to supply it.

[gnosticheresy_2]

^ This isn't DU so spare us the cute gatekeeper act, thanks.

I couldn't care less about your precious oh so fucking wanky DU. But with you it's more "ooo Mr CIA, you're so powerful, so masterful, so big....there must be nothing you can't do" yeah? It's ok, you can tell the group.

[lupercal]

^ Sorry gnostic, I lost the last of my illusions on the morning of Nov 4, 2004, which is eventually what led me here. If you want to put it in religious terms, I'd say your faith in the New York Times and the UK media is grossly misplaced. Especially the UK media.

[waugs]

^ This isn't DU so spare us the cute gatekeeper act, thanks.

I couldn't care less about your precious oh so fucking wanky DU. But with you it's more "ooo Mr CIA, you're so powerful, so masterful, so big....there must be nothing you can't do" yeah? It's ok, you can tell the group.

His (or her?) statement about DU was not one of support.

[barracuda]

So ok, what clip are you talking about then, can you give a link please?

Here is the footage of Breivik shooting shooting children on the lakeside, which was posted on page 17 of this thread. Warning: NSFL.

No offense meant, but it would be nice if everyone commenting could please try and read the thread so as to not endlessly tread the same ground over and over.

[lupercal]

So ok, what clip are you talking about then, can you give a link please?

Here is the footage of Breivik shooting shooting children on the lakeside, which was posted on page 17 of this thread. Warning: NSFL.

No offense meant, but it would be nice if everyone commenting could please try and read the thread so as to not endlessly tread the same ground over and over.

Same shot I just posted, and it proves absolutely nothing.

[barracuda]

If you scroll down the page there's video, which I can't seem to embed here. I realise it's not a great piece of film. I was simply fulfilling a request made by a forum member for a link.

There are literally hundreds of witnesses to this crime (if you believe, as I do, that it happened at all), so I assume those witnesses have seen the images of Breivik and concur that he is the shooter.

[lupercal]

If you scroll down the page there's video, which I can't seem to embed here.

I was talking about the video. It's 17 seconds long, 8 of which are the shot I just posted, then a quick and VERY blurry pan out that shows even less.

[barracuda]

As I said, I was fulfilling a request from a forum member. You opinion on the quality of the video is of no interest to me at all because it is such a remarkably obvious observation, and hardly bears the repetition.

[lupercal]

There are literally hundreds of witnesses to this crime (if you believe, as I do, that it happened at all), so I assume those witnesses have seen the images of Breivik and concur that he is the shooter.

I believe there were 76 assassinations, yes, but as to who carried them out, I'd like to see some actual evidence before making any assumptions. That's about as politely as I can think to put it.

[RobinDaHood]

It's the same translation, sorry for the double post. I mainly posted it to show that there was a lot of texting going on.

If anything, I think it actually makes my case. Between holding onto the rock and swimming for her life I don't imagine she had the time to shoot pictures. It's one thing to send a text while your head is down and it is another thing completely to have line-of-sight (essential for a photo). You're shooting pictures he's shooting you, brilliant! Remember, while she was literally SWIMMING FOR HER LIFE, there were hundreds of kids far away from him. I imagine there's plenty of survivors who never faced any threat. Fate sent them to the far side of that island and I'd hazard a guess that they sent off most of those texts. Alas, the safe places probably didn't offer up many photo opportunities.

On edit I wanted to add that I've got a sinking feeling you're gonna turn out to be right on this. There's always one kid who never puts the damn phone down and whose first instinct would have been to shoot a pic or short video clip. The fear is that after you're right, I'll be, and the photog will be added to the list of victims.

[barracuda]

There are literally hundreds of witnesses to this crime (if you believe, as I do, that it happened at all), so I assume those witnesses have seen the images of Breivik and concur that he is the shooter.

I believe there were 76 assassinations, yes, but as to who carried them out, I'd like to see some actual evidence before making any assumptions. That's about as politely as I can think to put it.

What kind of evidence might convince you as to the identity of the shooter?

[lupercal]

What kind of evidence might convince you as to the identity of the shooter?

How about some legible photos of Breivik in his cop uniform? Surely somebody on the island or ferry must have snapped one? How about some legible photos of Breivik in his cop uniform pointing a gun? How about some legible video of Breivik in his cop uniform walking around, pointing a gun, and perish the thought, saying something? Cell phones do record sound ya know.

Incidentally, do police in Norway normally wear scuba suits while on duty? Because that's what it looks like the guy in the video is wearing, although, of course, it's impossible to be sure.