Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[Laodicean]

This kid looks like he was dressed by the wardrobe department of a bad teen comedy. Central casting.

A "kick me" sign indeed.

Whoever let him dress like that was downright cruel.

Possibly being autistic he demanded it, but still. It's a parent's responsibility to make sure your kid doesn't do anything THAT blatantly self destructive.

I liked Freeks and Geeks. If Adam was more like Bill Haverchuck here, I think he would have been okay.

[Iamwhomiam]

Such complete nonsense, elihu. If anyone objects to the fish's description of the boy this photo, they must not have attended a high school with any nerds or were isolated themselves, or were perhaps homeschooled. The child's disability might have made him demand such loose-fitting clothes, as we've been told he didn't like to be touched. Perhaps he hated normally fitting clothes, feeling they were too constricting, who knows. We can go anywhere looking to justify our own assumptions, but that doesn't mean any are valid.

Continue your search, if you feel it will somehow bring the nefarious actions of some unknown and hidden cabal to light behind this mass murder. I look forward to seeing a conspiracy proven. Just one.

[barracuda]

Due to my slow dial-up, I'm unable to view videos. A short overview of its content would be most appreciated.

Miller claims Nancy Lanza had recently begun her first serious relationship since her divorce and that the boyfriend was occasionally sleeping over. He said the feds haven't been able to get anything from the broken hard disks. He said Adam had "blacked out" the gaming room in the basement, as well as his bedroom. Miller then went into a conjectural swirl about "kill shots" in computer games and right about then my eyes sort of glazed over.

[FourthBase]

The boy's mental health history was invented, too, Mac? Tell me then, "It's even more of a shame that even you now presume that he was "set off"... yeah. 20 dead kids, eight dead adults and two surviving witnesses.

Witnesses, Mac, real, live witnesses who saw who shot them.

But of course, we'll only hear from actors playing the victim role, because the 'real' survivors have all been disappeared. Yeah, right.

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Simply to blacken the name of an autistic 20 year-old?

I pose that if this was a conspiracy and the accused innocent, that it was a sacrifice, payment in advance for poppy's continued well-being. And that's more sensible than any point you or Loopy have made.

"Weirdly enough, I found this photo online just a couple of minutes after posting that sarcastic line. Apparently it shows Ryan Lanza and his father actually on the set of Saturday Night Live..."

Great. Now Lorne Michaels, too, is a co-conspirator, we find, as the plot thickens.

Lupe wrote: "Who in their right mind is going to leap publicly to Lanza's defense in the currently poisonous climate we've seen right here on RI?"

Seems to me you're mourning the wrong fellow, Lupe. But it's nice to see you've finally recognized the point you've spewed poison across these many pages, accusing so publicly innocents of committing mass murder.

Cui bono? What's the point of such a conspiracy, if this horrible mass murder had one besides that of the 'supposed' acting-out of a 'supposedly' mentally disabled 20 year-old individual 'supposedly' wanting to inflict as much pain as he 'supposedly' felt others supposedly caused him during his short but memorable life?

I've written more than once that those looking for a conspiracy should look into the Seattle Zombie Rave afterparty slaughter of seven and wounding of two committed, we're told, by Kyle Huff, an identical twin. Military father, presently unaccounted for, and the twins prime candidates for an MK program. And he left 3 mysterious clues, too. "NOW"

Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son.

A few things here.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5015

- How could that topic have only reached two pages, and this one is now sitting on 64?

- Yet another topic I don't remember contributing to. Nothing strange there, just that I seem to have an awful memory when it comes to internet message boards where I have about 5000 posts or more. I'm hardly alone in that, I think. Still, I hate that moment when I scroll through a topic I think I've never seen before and see my avatar. Even worse is when it's accompanied by an opinion I don't really feel anymore and can't imagine ever feeling.

- It's bittersweet to realize there was a time when Hugh was a really solid thinker and poster.

- "Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son." Whose perspective is that written from, "how I felt" and "my son"? It kind of reads like yours, i.e., either one of the victims was your son or you are Huff's father (edit: or mother). Am I reading that wrong? Or is either one of those the case, and if so, is this already common knowledge on the board that only I'm embarrassingly late to know? (Also, if so, condolences couldn't even begin to...well, let's just clarify all the previous before going further. It could just be bad reading comprehension on my part.)

These two links should help clarify my role in that incident, Fourth Base:
Re: Bring Your Sidearms To The Banks of the Potomac. and Capitol Hill Massacre

Honestly, to my thinking the best theory yet put forth as to this being a conspiracy was put forth by some unknown psychic. But I think a kid with a disability from a well-to-do family, quite spoiled, quite demanding and quite isolated, just snapped, who knows why, maybe he was denied something he wanted... we will never know if there was or is a conspiracy though some will claim there could be nothing else but a conspiracy to account for the chaos that occurred in divergent and erroneous early reporting of details after one of the worst mass murders in recent history.

Obviously some here have never been involved in any "breaking news" event. Had they closer contact with the press in action I doubt these so-called 'reporting oddities' would seem all that unusual as to convince anyone that some conspiracy must be afoot. Reporters screw up just like we sometimes do rushing to be first to post news of some event when we haven't taken time to gather all the facts and weigh them carefully before posting.

Usually there's a motive involved in forming a conspiracy, so what's the motive in Sandy Hook? Anyone? Firearms confiscation? a necessary first step for the New World Order to be established across the great expanse of our planet? Only the undertakers and gun dealers & manufacturers seem to have profited; are they the leaders of our New World Order?

Jesus. I really can't even begin to...

I hate to belittle the rest of the contributions in that Potomac thread (including your own), but you had basically said on page 5, "Hi, my son was killed in a suspicious famous mass-shooting", then there were a few messages of profound sympathy, and then it was "Blah blah blah (usual gun control debate but with typically-unique RI insight) blah blah blah" for the next 7 pages, then end-thread. That is stunning.

Is there a reason you haven't regularly bumped up or re-created a thread about it? It's what I imagine I would do, but I have never been a parent, never been where you've been, can't begin to imagine what it must be really like. Sorry.

I bolded the most on-topic part of your post, because it deserves to be read and thoroughly processed by every person who has contributed to this thread.

[Iamwhomiam]

Gotta run, but had to take a moment to thank FourthBase. I'll write a bit more later. You may want to read an old FB rant about how I feel about reporting on grief and trauma "helping victims to heal."

Thanks, fish, much appreciated. This would indeed change things, if there's any truth to it.

[barracuda]

as cuda has perhaps remarked generally, things can be taken just too damned far, and i think he has. i'm reminded of the continuous morphing montage loop of one cherubic trayvon martin image after another until my heart just wanted to break. contrast that with the "solitary", i found to be disingenuous and revolting, image of this "perp".

The "solitary" image you refer to is simply the most recent picture of Lanza that has come to light. And it would seem to be not all that recent. I'd like to know what he looked like as a twenty-year-old. But there hasn't been a solitary image of Lanza, in reality. The yearbook shot wasn't even the first picture released - this one was.

After all the fuss about the more widely used image of Adam, I have to ask why no one seems to ask the same questions about this other picture. No one seems to care where it came from or how it surfaced. Maybe because it doesn't really feed the conspiracy dogs to worry about it.

these are the same people that put the incendiary device in the pickup's gas tank, that darkened oj's mugshot on the cover of time, that repeated the lies about babies being ripped out of incubators. for me it was amusing until the point of "finding a wisp of a smile" in the image of derangement, and "empathizing with his bad haircut". empathy is a good thing but it's the bonafides in question. not lanza's. the establishment.

"Image of derangement"? Honestly, without the background of this case, would you have characterized that picture in that manner? Maybe you're being facetious there.

I'm not trusting the media to give me my opinion here, bro. I'm of my own mind about it. One of the interesting things about the case is that there really isn't much of an official story outside of "Lanza dunnit". The persistent personal psychological fantasies we're presented with such as Miller's above don't accomplish much of anything but the begging of other questions. If there is a mainstream narrative being sold, it's the story of a divorced prepper mother coddling her man-boy autist-savant son as he devolves into an addictive world of dark and violent computer game fantasy killing until he can no longer tell the screen from the reality. And then he snaps, turning the contents of the unguarded gun cabinet against her and the innocent children in a spasm of senseless violence.

Whatever happened, I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.

and then he turns on the kid with the jock-nerd dresscode juxtaposition.

Lanza's "costume" is a stereotype he apparently derived some measure of comfort from. I believe you have to actively seek out pocket protectors these days.

The images we have of Lanza, especially these recent ones, add up to an extraordinarily fragile individual existing in one of the most highly socially-charged situations imaginable, high school, and falling into a very established pigeonhole, that of a socially inept, introverted computer nerd. It would be an incredibly poignant picture in any context, regardless of what we know about this case. I don't need the media or anyone else to inform me of that. I can see it for myself.

is it dangerous in this volatile atmosphere to reinforce power-structure stereotypes?

I'm not sure what that means. My best interpretation of that question is that it's an extremely simplistic attempt to frame my position as somehow reactionary. I don't see it that way.

[MacCruiskeen]

"Senior correspondent John Miller, a former FBI assistant director"... Charming, isn't it, the revolving-door nepotism of the US mass media, the FBI and the CIA. It ensures nobody important ever gets a grilling, just a free handjob and a hot towel.

The deference -- reverence, really -- of those "news anchors" is a sight to behold. They ask one (in figures:1) question that anyone not an infant would urgently like to see answered:"Where are investigators getting their information from?" Note how MIller evades it completely. Note how they don't pick him up on his evasion. Nor do they question his risible assertion that the allegedly-destroyed hard drive is unreconstructable. Nor do they laugh out loud at his solemn lucubrations about video games.

Truly, it's a hideous performance. Yet more hints and insinuations and unverifiable tendentious assertions about a dead boy and his dead mother. Yet more bullshit. (What does Miller mean when he says Adam L. had "blacked out" his basement? Only a couple of days ago we were being told that that basement was "windowless". And, says Miller, Adam L. had "blacked out" his bedroom too. What does that mean, exactly? That the curtains were closed when the police arrived? That the entire room was painted black? Or what?)

You'd think those two hideous mummified zeroes in the studio might have some residual journalistic interest in finding out, but no, of course not, lèse majesté is not part of their job description. After two minutes and sixteen seconds, the big cheese is gone, fulsomely thanked for stinking the studio out and entirely ungrilled, back home to the FBI presumably, perhaps by way of the CIA. It's a fine old tradition, though barely mentionable these days, even by historians.

Also: WHY, when Miller is on there to (pretend to) answer questions about ADAM LANZA, is he surrounded by multiple images of CHRISTOPHER DORNER? Why indeed. The question is of course rhetorical. Nothing is more consciously and deliberately created than the decor of a TV studio, especially when the speaker is a big "former" FBI cheese whose whole business is demonization-by-insinuation.

- By the way, I quoted Lt Paul Vance's furious dismissal of the latest attempt to blacken Adam Lanza's name (i.e., the assertion that the dead boy wanted to outdo Breivik):

It's all a load of shite, of course. Here's the only part of that entire farrago worth attending to:

Police dismiss report

A spokesman for the Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report, calling it speculation.

"It's inaccurate ... I talked with CBS and told them that," Lt. Paul Vance told CNN. "We are dealing with a deceased shooter and trying to rebuild history."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/19/justi ... index.html

The CNN hacks snuck that not-insignificant police statement in there, about 20 lines below the sensationalist headline, for which they had provided not an ounce of evidence. It is just absolutely shameless.

Well, it turns out that Vance's response was even more furious than we've been told. For some reason, CNN and most of the other hideous media mummies thought it best to leave out Vance's concluding short sentence:

The accounts were strongly disputed by State Police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance. "The whole story is inaccurate," Vance said. "The motive has not been determined. This is all coming from unnamed sources. It's all speculation. It's hideous."

http://www.chron.com/newtownshooting/ar ... 288405.php

All speculation, and hideous indeed. Well said, that man. So when can we expect to see Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance interviewed in a CBS studio? [Cue laughtrack.]

[Elihu]

I look forward to seeing a conspiracy proven. Just one.

we are swimmin' in it! it's not as if we are going to unmask one little conspiracy in connecticut. it's part of the over-arching conspiracy of our artificial reality. the equivalent of finding something in connecticut would be when Truman saw the workers in the freight elevator. did he rush forward and seize the situation and call bs on it? heck no. to do so would have fractured his our mind(s). what would he do then? the denoument of the movie when he hit the edge of the set and walked through the door will parallel the end our big conspiracy as well. it's a pity the movie stopped there. at that moment, thousands of riggers, camera men, set designers, payroll clerks, security guards, actors, make-up artists, burger flippers, techies are all instantaneously out of work. and they can't be put back to work. if you take the movie set as metaphor for the whole world, the purpose for which they were living suddenly vanished. it will be our freight elevator moment except we won't be able to close it up and go on any farther with the same story. as the TV audience vicariously living through Truman we will willfully have to believe some bullsh!t invitation to keep cashing paper checks, over-consuming, and making war.

thank you for the invitation and opportunity to share my opinion. that's all the proof i will ever be able to give you. watch for those freight elevators!

[MacCruiskeen]

I look forward to seeing a conspiracy proven. Just one.

Watergate. Valkyrie. Bay of Pigs. Enron. Iran-Contra. That's five.

Etbloodycetera. Now please do your own homework, and start at the beginning by looking up the term "burden of proof".

[Iamwhomiam]

Funny that, Mac, not one mass murder in the bunch. Overall, a fail.

Watergate conspiracy took place after the initial burglary,
Bay of Pigs, a rogue and failed CIA/military action against an enemy nation,
Enron conspiracy took place after the crime, the conspiracy here was rather a financial scheme, a fraud.
Iran Contra, a covert CIA/military action and illegal, again the conspiracy took place after it became known, to hide the truth of their why they engaged in the illegal actions they chose to.

I'm not familiar with Valkyre, so I cannot comment upon it.

Telling me to do my own homework? Anytime two junkies get together to discuss where to score their next fix, is a conspiracy too, Mac. But these are not what we're talking about here or what you seem to be looking for either. I would have accepted the preemptive prosecution cases of targeted Muslims as a valid and proven governmental agency involved conspiracy.

Mac, I just see this differently than you do. Sorry you fault me and choose to insult me for not seeing things your way.

It would be damned nice of you to answer a few of the many questions I've asked you, instead of ignoring they've been asked,

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Simply to blacken the name of an autistic 20 year-old?

And

Cui bono? What's the point of such a conspiracy, if this horrible mass murder had one besides that of the 'supposed' acting-out of a 'supposedly' mentally disabled 20 year-old individual 'supposedly' wanting to inflict as much pain as he 'supposedly' felt others supposedly caused him during his short but memorable life?

Now please do your own homework, and start at the beginning by looking up the term "burden of proof".

I am rather astonished, Mac, that you of all commentators in this thread suggest I look up the definition of burden of proof when it is you and a couple of others who have been being criticized for your utter failure to produce any proof of your sometimes quite wild and reckless allegations.

[Jerky]

This kid looks like he was dressed by the wardrobe department of a bad teen comedy. Central casting.

A "kick me" sign indeed.

Whoever let him dress like that was downright cruel.

Possibly being autistic he demanded it, but still. It's a parent's responsibility to make sure your kid doesn't do anything THAT blatantly self destructive.

I liked Freeks and Geeks. If Adam was more like Bill Haverchuck here, I think he would have been okay.

What a beautiful, joyous, HUMAN moment captured on TV. A rare and awesome thing. Thank you for this. It is SO familiar, and I'm glad that it is.

Jerky

[MacCruiskeen]

your utter failure to produce any proof of your sometimes quite wild and reckless allegations.

Name those alleged "allegations" of mine (plural). In fact, don't just name them, quote them. "Wild and reckless", forsooth! How awful of me. So provide evidence of what you allege I did, if you can. You can't. So actually I'm due an apology from you.

Yes, I am calling your bluff. I am heartily fed up with you wasting my time. I am also sick of you saying the-thing-that-is-not:

Witnesses, Mac, real, live witnesses who saw who shot them.

Name those alleged "witnesses". Quote their statements. Support your claim that they saw Adam Lanza shoot them. Provide evidence of what you allege, if you can. Prediction: you can't and you won't. So in fact another apology from you is in order.

you fault me and choose to insult me for not seeing things your way

Be serious. I never insulted you. I am resisting that ever-growing temptation even now. I deserve a medal.

Your response to the examples of conspiracy I cited also demonstrates that you either cannot or do not read your own posts:

I look forward to seeing a conspiracy proven. Just one.

and that you have no understanding of the what the word "conspiracy" means, You also have no understanding of the concept of burden of proof (otherwise you wouldn't be demanding that I (!) prove who dunnit, and why (!)), and in general you make it practically impossible to conduct any kind of rational argument with you. So kindly give it a rest.

- Back on-topic, if humanly possible. The topic is the Connecticut Elementary School Massacre.

[The Consul]

This has become a contentious thread. I can appreciate the criticism of the shooting and the subsequent and sometimes obviously forced digital trial of Lanza. Their seems to be antagonistic jabbing back and forth over "proof" in what seems to be a concern over not raising conspiracy theories that are hard to substantiate and these exchanges are becoming personal. There is a LOT of stuff I read on here that I think is bullshit. I rarely take exception to what anyone says unless it is a generalization that is prejudicial. And besides, lots of the bullshit is still interesting and occasionally raised questions one might otherwise not ask. I have always thought that RI was a place that for the most part avoids messenger attacking. There have been several descents away from it that have deteriorated the sense of community. Sorry to be so Rodny Kingy about it all. What do I know, anyway - given what I just said -I probably miss Hugh Manatee more than anyone.

Again - I appreciate the focus on the media angle how they are pounding so many square pegs into round holes. And I can't get over the whole linguistic deep structure of Hurricane Sandy Hook. A revived, intense conversation about guns is far less threatening to the power structure than a real conversation about global warming and our impending doom. So, please - have at IT - but not each other.

[Iamwhomiam]

Well Mac, I'm more surprised by your behavior than I can properly express. And I'm deeply hurt as well.

Hell, Mac, I still don't know the name of one of the surviving victims from my son's murder and you want me to tell you who the wounded were in this incident?

Funny how out of all the questions I asked earlier you seem to have ignored responding to, such as asking for a motive, and you lock in on my speculation, which I assure you is completely as valid as yours, and write a book about it, like here where I wrote:

We will never know what set this kid off, and that's a shame. It a shame even in this day and age that people are so alone in their ostracism, whether through choice, necessity, or circumstance, that we're clueless as to why someone would be prompted to such hateful actions when they occur.

You've ignored the point of isolation plays upon one and chose to attack my speculative comment made in the first sentence quoted.

Here are a few more I've asked. Maybe this time you'll consider responding.

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Cui bono? What's the point of such a conspiracy, if this horrible mass murder had one besides that of the 'supposed' acting-out of a 'supposedly' mentally disabled 20 year-old individual 'supposedly' wanting to inflict as much pain as he 'supposedly' felt others supposedly caused him during his short but memorable life?

I do think the introduction of a supposed boyfriend should be explored as that holds some small promise that someone other than young Adam may have committed a portion of the murders he's now blamed for.

And Consul, finding proof can be difficult, if not impossible. Considering we're all speculating and forming our opinions upon internet and print sources, all of which could be easily manipulated by said conspirators, and well in advance of such an event. But finding a motive should not be so difficult, especially because it's only speculative.

Mac, I owe you nothing! You are one of the rudest contributors we have. Think of me as representative of one of the parents in this incident and consider again your remarks. I'm sure you'll not alter your style one whit.

I'm wasting your time? When you don't answer my questions? How on earth could I possibly do that, Mac? You're only one who could be responsible for wasting your own time.

I need a break from this place. see ya. Someone send me an email if something turns up about the supposed boyfriend, or when someone's finally developed a motive for said conspiracy.

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Simply to blacken the name of an autistic 20 year-old?

[lupercal]

^ For the record I fully support Mac.