Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:44 am

lupercal wrote:^ For the record, Christopher Rodia is identified very clearly in the Sandy Hook police transmission as the registered owner of the black Honda driven by the shooter and to date there has been no credible evidence supplied to prove otherwise.

That is incorrect, he was identified as someone who was pulled over on the other side of town for a traffic stop and completely unrelated to the shootings, it only sounded that way because people dont understand how scanners work and what they are hearing. It is 100% proven that this is the case and it has been rehashed a thousand times in the shooting thread here, nothing personal but you are not right about this, it was a completely unrelated traffic stop that just sounded like it was related because of the timing of the plates being called in and the dispatch response to two different officer inquiries. Seriously, I looked in to that for certain but this is all neither here nor there.


The evidence is the recording itself, just listening to it in proper context IS the evidence.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:48 am

Cuda I cant find shit on the origin of Mulugetta, I just dont know what the fuck happened to all the articles and screen shots of CNN running their names with the caption LEO says they are looking for MM and ST....I will keep looking as I promised I would as I now have a burden to prove to you what I said.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby justdrew » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:56 am

justdrew wrote:
FourthBase wrote:
Alchemy wrote:Did we ever figure out who Mike Mulugeta is, he was named by BPD and the media as being suspect 1 along with the Brown U kid Sunil, so we know who Sunil is but who the fuck is Mike Mulugeta. All night Thursday it was THOSE TWO then about 5 am in the morning Friday it suddenly changed without explanation to The Brothers Karamazov.


So does anyone know who our boy Mike Mulugeta even is, is he a real person or some fiction?


Seconded.


not a real person. "mike" was phonetic alphabet...

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/mike-mulugeta-falsely-accused-boston-marathon-bomber/


read the link. it's the same as the rodia thing all over again.

why don't they observe good radio technique and start each comm with who's talking and who they are addressing. It would prevent these mixups.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby lupercal » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:01 am

Alchemy wrote:
lupercal wrote:^ For the record, Christopher Rodia is identified very clearly in the Sandy Hook police transmission as the registered owner of the black Honda driven by the shooter and to date there has been no credible evidence supplied to prove otherwise.

That is incorrect, he was identified as someone who was pulled over on the other side of town for a traffic stop and completely unrelated to the shootings, it only sounded that way because people dont understand how scanners work and what they are hearing. It is 100% proven that this is the case and it has been rehashed a thousand times in the shooting thread here, nothing personal but you are not right about this, it was a completely unrelated traffic stop that just sounded like it was related because of the timing of the plates being called in and the dispatch response to two different officer inquiries. Seriously, I looked in to that for certain but this is all neither here nor there.


The evidence is the recording itself, just listening to it in proper context IS the evidence.


Yes I listened to the recordings, composite and source, and the story about the traffic stop is crap. The point has been discussed at length and as I've mentioned, no one has supplied evidence that the Honda isn't registered to Rodia. Believe what you want. Incidentally I notice your standard of evidence is rather low for an attorney. Your grammar also stinks. You wouldn't happen to be Percival, would you?

Anyway here's a link to the definitive refutation of this dumb talking point: viewtopic.php?f=37&t=36001
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:07 am

Well my understanding and from what I heard on that scanner Rodia had nothing to do with it but that is not for this thread so I am gonna let it go and let someone else pick up on that if they want to.

Want to thank those of you who made this discussion what it has become, a lot of good ground covered here, I dont generally post here much this is the first time I really took part in a major thread, I will likely go back to lurk mode for now for a bit, work and life call.

Get to the bottom of this stuff, a lot of good questions have been asked, I will chime when I get time, I dont have a lot of free time like I did the last 3 days but its been fun sitting here all these hours for 3 days trying to work this case out with some of you.

Keep up the good work, and I will chime in as time permits, Monday, back to work and regular life, wife kids etc LOL

Good work though, see you guys around, Ill check in when I can, now that I have this new tablet I can access the net a little more often than I used to be able to, these tablets are cutting edge, neat technology but hard as hell to type on and it takes me a half hour to make a post like this on it LOL


Keep rockin and rollin and FB make sure your people in Boston get to the bottom of this crap for the sake of those people who have been killed, hurt and maimed, 14 amputations at last count, that is heartbreaking beyond words lets not forget them and the heros who helped them that day they deserve the truth of this thing to be blown out and told whatever that truth may be, justice for all involved!
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:22 am

Alchemy wrote:I want to make it clear that I am not going full blown conspiratard here nor encouraging anyone else to, and suggesting that this was definitely an inside job and the cia/fbi etc are all behind it and there is some evil agenda on the horizon and these events are being used to further it.

What I AM saying is there are A LOT of questions that need to be answered, and that likely will never be answered, before I can draw any real and honest conclusions about the events that happened in Boston this week. That is all. There are just a lot of questions that we really need answers to.


1. Noone can dispute that the majority of post 9/11 terror plots are FBI created sting entrapments and extensively use informants

2. Even taking conspiracy theories away, there's no doubt left that the 19 hijackers were financed/housed/directed/helped at every point by Saudi intelligence. And that the CIA went out of his
way to trip the FBI up. What those two facts means is anyone's guess. Also Israel was actively monitoring one of the 9/11 cells. So at the very least, as we see in WTC 1993, the authorities are not taken by surprise

3. We know these guys are Chechens and the older brother was allowed to travel to that area of the world. We know the FBI was aware of them. This isnt like Loughner, Holmes or Lanza where conspiracy theories are based on pure speculation and it's apparent those guys were loners. In the Boston case, we have a foreign link and that opens up a whole world of deep state/intel network possibilities. Again, Chechnya is a deep state nexus point for militant jihad.

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There are sure a lot of Mercedes in this story. The boys seem to favor that particular marque.

Why are they telling the carjack victim their identities? HELLO WE ARE THE BOMBERS CAN WE HAVE YOUR CAR BTW WE'RE THE BOMBERS G'BYE

This doesn't sound very promising:


It's like the 9/11 hijackers are were being fully funded by high powered Saudi money and Dubai banks. The hijackers had a high hubris, almost intentionally making a loud
wave. Oh and the FBI was shackled from doing a damn thing about it, from Phoenix to Minnesota.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:26 am

justdrew wrote:
why don't they observe good radio technique and start each comm with who's talking and who they are addressing. It would prevent these mixups.



Its actually the other way around, but yes i agree.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby conniption » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:31 am

You're not going to believe this, but there are people claiming this bombing at the Boston Marathon is yet another hoax. I know, I know it's hard to believe and some may get infuriated at the mere suggestion, but they make some pretty good points here and there, and it is truly amazing what they can do:


4:13

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Like the lady says at the start of this next video, "Are you fucking kidding me?"


1:51

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While out and about today, I couldn't help but notice how many young men looked like terrorist bombers. Didn't even matter what color they were. Weird.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:34 am

Dont remember if I posted this, you will appreciate it 8bit:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/ ... oston.html


Over and out for a bit, busy day today (sunday) with kids and back to the grind Monday.I will check in, I expect answers will start trickling in this week as researchers and journalists get back to their offices on Monday and start digging through this pile of manure.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:34 am

FourthBase wrote: In a way, it could be similar to the possibility that Flight 93 was not pre-scripted, but also off script, not part of the plan, an anomaly, which if I read that Olof Palme pdf book right, planners seem to hate. They hate anomalies. Why? They're so powerful, surely an anomaly couldn't hurt them?


I became convinced Flight 93 was a genuine event that went off script. One of which is that the completion of the forth target is much more powerful than the "let's roll" story. I mean I remain open minded, but I don't
see the problem with believing people knowing their flight was doomed decided to go down with a fight. The phantom 93 blip continued on toward Washington area on Norad/FAA screens according to the Vanity Fair NORAD Tape feature from 2006.

It's possible, despite how Michael Bay it seemed, that the shootout/bomb chase and dramatic aftermath was a freakout by the two. A lot of mind control guys either kill themselves or calmly stand still they are taken into custody.
These could have been guys who just freaked out, however it seems with all those bombs they had more plans to do. And or someone was helping them. It is odd how much shit they were carrying when they carjacked that vehicle

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stefano wrote:The US and Russia have strategic visions that keep them well apart.


Except both times it really mattered: 1914-18 and 1939-45. It will be the same the next time. They are natural allies. They just don't like to admit it in public.


According to White House biographers, the very first foreign person Bush talked to via phone on 9/11 on air force one...was Putin. And Putin said something like "we know how you feel" re: 9/99.
By the time the Iraq war began, Putin and his predecessor had already massacred countless Chechens. The estimates are staggering. Because Putin has a weird sense of humor and does
internet meme ready stunts without his shirt, he's treated like some weird cool uncle. But he's a thug. Yet, I also recognize that elements within the west want to undermine Russia. I will hand it
to Russia that they don't take orders from anyone. If there is an "NWO", Russia is perhaps its own bloc. Still, you look at say Darfur genocide, that's all Russia/China's doing.

John Mccain for all the islamaphobia he does, did a miraculous filibuster on the floor re: Russia and all the assassinations/false flags/apartment bombing false flag/rigged elections/corruption.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Sounder » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:42 am

I wonder what folk here make of this video.

My first thoughts on the Boston events was that the bomb sniffing dogs need better training. Perhaps they have been sniffing for the bomb pot too long.



Thank-you Alchemy for your cogent speculations and information.

Also the 'script' has only so far fallen apart for the patsies.

Long term I'm an optimist in regard to the breakdown of the larger script.

Short term, not so much. Cass Sunstein was right. These folk are experts at generating passive emotions for public consumption as the favored method of sublimating active emotions that represent an effective path toward a more authentic core of ones being.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby conniption » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:49 am

Russia Today

'Confusion and inconsistencies': How US plans to distract public from real truth about Boston

April 21, 2013

The initial questions about the Boston bombing are behind us, but former FBI employee Sibel Edmonds believes the pursuit of truth will eventually lead to a far more secret agenda by the US, which she reveals to RT.

The United States is having to quickly wake up to the possibility that Chechens are not the ‘freedom fighters’ Western media has been categorizing them as, especially when it came to the Republic’s relationship to Russia. But even the newly formed perceptions may not be enough when it comes to investigating the motives and planning behind the Boston bombing, according to Edmonds, who is also a founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition.

With the dust somewhat settled after the capture of the younger suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Edmonds believes there will only be more unanswered questions in an investigation already plagued by obvious inconsistencies and falsities, which she recounts at length.

RT: We've learned in the last hour that Russia warned the FBI about the older Tsarnaev brother and his potential links with radical Islamists, but the FBI found nothing suspicious. How is that possible?

Sibel Edmonds: Actually, we predicted that the unnamed foreign country [Western media didn’t name the source immediately] was in fact Russia, two days ago. We have too little facts, too much false information and speculations. But just look at the period they are talking about. When you listen to the suspect’s mother, she’s talking about a period of three to five years. According to FBI officials, they received this information, this warning, in 2011. So we have that inconsistency right there. The other important inconsistency that we should pay attention to is the mother’s description of FBI mannerisms and conversation with the suspects and the family when they were visiting them for the last three to five years. That fits exactly the recruitment style of the intelligence community. When you go to the suspects, and one moment you’re saying “We know you’re decent, we know you’re doing nothing wrong, we know you’re good”, and the next minute they’re saying “You can be dangerous”, right after receiving that information from the Russian government, to threaten them with that information for what purpose – to recruit them as informants or for other agendas.

RT: We spoke to the mother last night. She said there is no way on earth they could have been involved in a heinous crime like this, that she knew everything about them and they could not have been potential terrorists. However, could there be another side to these people that they didn’t even let their mother know, is that not feasible?

SE: Well, again, we don’t have real information from our source in the last 48hours. I found out that they had been associating the brothers – especially the older one –with very wealthy individual Turkish persons, some of them students in Boston, some businessmen…really modern people. And we haven’t received any information that they [the brothers] had been associating with Chechens, even the radicals. So that itself is another major inconsistency in this story.

RT: Similarities are being drawn between the 'pressure cooker' bombs used in Boston and those which Al Qaeda gets English-speaking terrorists to use. Just how much does this prove in terms of the bombers' links with the terrorist group?

SE: Again, it’s way too early to comment on this and I think that whole notion right now sounds really, really weak. Because the US government, when it is convenient, one minute talk about how sophisticated Al Qaeda has become – in fact they’re as sophisticated as the NSA [US National Security Agency] – they are talking about their ability to obtain laptop, or suitcase bombs, nuclear bombs…and the next moment they are talking about this amateurish home-made ability. So, as far as the government is concerned, I think it’s too early to buy this either from the US media or the government.

This situation is really similar to the Bin Laden shooting. Every day the story changed. And this is what we are going to see in the next few days. They are going to change the story, they are going to throw so much confusion and inconsistencies and conflicting data that no one is going to figure out what actually happened, especially if the second suspect dies.

RT: There's been a tendency in the Western media to portray armed groups in the Chechnya as freedom fighters. Is that going to change at all after this?

SE: We all have to really look at the timing of this, because again the US media is portraying this incident by itself. It’s not putting it in the context of things that have been happening in the past – let’s say one year so – or recent stuff – we had this case of NGOs being shut down by the Russian government, which was a very smart move, because we know that the majority of these NGOs have CIA agendas, as they’re operated and managed by CIA people. And this is one way of infiltrating Russia by the US government, the CIA. And on the other hand, from this side, we had the 12 individuals from Russia, and what the US has done.

So, if you start putting these in context and also add the fact that Russia has been the biggest obstacle for the United States to get in and directly attack Syria – that’s when you start to see the bigger picture and that’s what the people should be paying attention to. And as far as the perception, up until recently you had individuals like Bolton, Armitage… in a group called The Friends of Chechnya, and they have been around for a while. Again, the false information that is being put forth by US media is that since the fall of the Soviet Union the United States has refrained from intervening in the Russia-Chechnya situation. And that is purely false. Since mid-1990’s, the US directly, or through Turkey has been arming, training, managing, orchestrating not only Chechens but also other factions in the region – and we are looking at Central Asia and the Caucasus. And of course the Russian government is fully aware of this.

RT: What about those resources?

SE: Alternative media has been waiting and reporting on this for years – the US operations in the region against Russia. And we are kind of puzzled in terms of the silence from the Russian government, because the FSB at any given moment can put a lot of information that would expose the fact that we actually are in the business of crating terrorists and bringing about terrorism in the region, as we have done for the last several decades in the Middle East, but especially since the fall of the Soviet Union – in Central Asia and the Caucasus. And again, there are tons of facts backing this up and there is much more in the hands of the Russian government, and I think this is a pretty good opportunity for some of this information to come out and enlighten the American public here in the United States.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:51 am

Alchemy wrote:

I believe very firmly that everyone, no matter what they did or are accused of, should have the right to counsel and should have the same fair trial that every American citizen is entitled to. I would personally have no conflict representing this kid and I would do everything in my power to make sure that the state had to prove their case and meet their burden of beyond reasonable doubt and if they didnt I would further work to make sure he wasnt convicted, that is just how our system works and the only way to keep it healthy is to hold the state to its duty and obligation to prove its case and if they cant the accused should walk, regardless of who they are and what they did.


Well the CIA removed one of Abu Zubaida's eyes and shut down his organs in their extreme brutal torture. They put live drills to some of the detainees temples. They killed one of the guys at both Abu Gharib and Bagram(that we know of) sexual humiliation, mutilation, torture. It pisses me off when liberals/media etc keep talking about "water boarding". The CIA and especially Eastern Europe/Egypt/Iraqi cops used Saw/Hostel level horrific torture. Waterboarding was the least of what they did...but see the government intentionally floated the waterboarding meme out as a limited hangout so people would fixate on that.

Bless em, but I don't think a lot of Americans truly let it sink in that their own government wasted several trillion of their money, got countless people killed and maimed, got many soldiers killed and maimed, lined the pockets of
corrupt governments, fomented sectarian violence, gave large no bid contracts to corrupt corporations, and did 60 billion dollars in oil/defense with Saudi Arabia(despite their clear involvement in 9/11)
Oh, and that yes, the CIA was authorized by the neocons to engage in brutal torture. People don't want to let that sink in.

Alchemy wrote:
The words CONSPIRACY THEORIST is now an immediate conversation stopper, nothing will get you ignored faster than being called one of those.


What they have done you see is take THAT WHICH THEY CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM US, whatever it may be, aliens, 9-11, JFK you name it, and turned it in to a DISNEY FILM and then they tell us, "OH THATS JUST THE MOVIES, IT ISNT REAL, YOU TAKE YOUR ENTERTAINMENT TOO SERIOUSLY!!"


XFiles is sort of a good example and the whole Dan Brown thing.

Brilliant actually, when you think about it.


Yet even many conservatives will admit the government lied about Iraq. When people say "oh god, another conspiracy meme". I say, "oh like the conspiracy the government lied to get us into Iraq?"
"Oh...that's different".

From the FBI being behind horrific Klan and cop killings of 60's civil rights leaders to Vietnam lies to Iraq lies to the Pat Tilman intentional killing and coverup...to frickin all the horrific torture...the US government through its various agencies has been caught doing very not so nice things and lying about it. So it's strange people will think "well that was back then".

Now I hate arguing with a lot of CT'ers. Theyre often as dull headed as Fox News/Glen Beck fan types. Confirmation bias out the yin yang. Again the Sandy Hook "Hoax" meme was just deplorable. I say "its not that these events are fake...its that those who we're told carried them out may have had help and that there may be more to the story...and certainly it helps fuel various agendas".
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:05 am

Wanted to add that if you go and read the kids twitter one tweet he is talking to someone about something not sure what but he says to the other person:

https://twitter.com/J_tsar

HERE IT IS can someone get the actual screen shot of it up for us?

Jahar ‏@J_tsar 16 Apr
@therealAbdul_ #heavy I've been looking for those, there is a shortage on the black market if you wanna make a quick buck, nuff said..


I have no clue how you post a picture of a tweet on here, but if someone could go look at his twitter and geta copy of that tweet it would be good to have for the thread. You dont have to dig deep, its in the first few tweets down just a bit.


This tells me he is likely in contact with someone who is selling him (suspect 2) black market items, gee I wonder what those things would be, bombs, grenades, which they were reported to have used, and I further I wonder who his friendly local black market salesman is, I will let you draw that conclusion...I think you can come up with a good one.


I can just envision it all:

Informant to handler "yea he is buying all sorts of shit from me man, looks like he is gonna pull something off, what should we do about it."


Handler to informant "not a thing, we got it under control, just keep taking care of business on your end and let us handle the specifics."


Handler to supervisor "boss we got a live one, its the kid we been watching from Chechnya, looks like he has big plans, we got him were we want him now, lets bring him in."

Supervisor to handler "dont do anything, word from above says the kid is untouchable, we have been ordered to stand down, word is he might be working for us deep cover to smoke others out, the threat is not real, just play along and handle your informant and have him keep doing what he does and I will be talking to some of the brass this week about what the plan is."

Handler to supervisor "so wait, youre saying my informant is working another informant, im getting confused who the good guys are here sir."

Supervisor to handler "dont worry about that, just do your job, thats why I get paid the big bucks, let me do the worrying and you just do what I tell you to."

Handler walks off scratching his head...

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby elfismiles » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:29 am

Totally did not catch that ... freakin weird. Had no idea that one-half the finish-line grandstands were in front of a Boylston street branch library and thus the strangeness of a "controlled explosion on Boylston St." ... "opposite the library"

There's got to be footage out there of this "controlled explosion on Boylston St." ... right?


There's nothing strange about them - just look at the twitter account. The first report of explosions by BostonDotCom was this tweet. The two tweets about controlled explosions (this and this) came less than an hour later. It's only strange if you reverse their order.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... will_be_a/


4:55 p.m. ET: There was also a controlled explosion on Boylston St., not one of the three incidents, says Commissioner Ed Davis.
...
4:51 p.m. ET: Determined there was a third incident at JFK Library around 4:20 p.m. Not certain if incidents are related, but treating them as if they are, says Davis. There are no known injuries from that event.
...
3:55 p.m. ET: Police set off controlled explosion in Boston. Third explosion heard.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... explosion/



Third Boston Marathon explosion a controlled detonation, according to police scanner
By Bud Elliott on Apr 15 2013, 4:11p

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Boylston Street and Copley Square - Google Maps
Officials detonated an item near the Boston Marathon's original incident scene.

Boston law enforcement indicated on the emergency personnel radio scanner at 3:53 p.m. ET that they would be conducting a controlled explosion on the 600 block of Boylston Street, near the Copley Square site of the original explosions that rocked the Boston Marathon earlier Monday afternoon. The explosion occurred around 3:55 p.m. ET.

Other updates from emergency personnel scanner since 3:30 p.m. ET:

The incident command is set up at the Westin Hotel.
"[Placing injured into ambulances] phase seems to be over."
Personnel on the channel suspect the devices may have been placed in trash barrels. "All officers coming into the area are to be cautious of trash containers."
Emergency personnel is trying to move a busload of runners at the Mass Avenue underpass.
Outside incoming agencies will stage at Ring Road and Huntingdon.
No cell phone use, as cell towers are overloaded.
At 3:50, a call was placed for more explosive dogs and swat team members.
At 3:52, armored trucks were en route.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/15/42278 ... detonation

Sounder wrote:I wonder what folk here make of this video.

My first thoughts on the Boston events was that the bomb sniffing dogs need better training. Perhaps they have been sniffing for the bomb pot too long.



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