'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Peregrine » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:11 pm

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Heh. I remember a few years ago watching a program about a fella who was accidentally killed by a grenade, "friendly fire" (another stupid term), I believe. They didn't refer to it as a grenade explosion, but he died due to "rapidly expanding gasses".

Bureaucratic talk irritates the shit outta me.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:02 am

Matthew Simmons has ratcheted up the warnings (and that's an understatement). Trouble is (for me), the following interview was on TruNews.com -- a Christian news network. OK, that aside, has he lost his mind or does he have an agenda or (please god, say it isn't so) is he on to something?

Now, I can't honestly think of what his agenda might be to make shit up. Maybe he's lost his mind. Doesn't sound like it to me, listening to him -- but, hell, I don't know. You decide. :?

Direct link (interview starts about 8 minutes in): http://www.trunews.com/Audio/6_28_10_mo ... unews2.mp3

Another link, if that one's slow: http://www.mediafire.com/?gzynno0z12n

Some things stated in the interview (the following was copied from LATOC):

BOP Gone since day 1
Casing Gone since Day one
Everything BP is showing now is staged
DOOM is knocking on the door!

Huge plume to hit Grand Isle Today or tomorrow

Total Furnace of fire coming out of the floor"!

Worse than Mustard Gas
Worse case scenario comes Thursday

THEY NEED TO START PASSING OUT GAS MASKS NOW

Hurricane Alex projected landfall is Thursday. The Gas that it will pull up will be deadly. He says Alex will go much further north than forecast says.

He said it will be much worse than anything Saddam Houssein sprayed in Iraq

On a good note he said he does not think there will be tsunami and the east coast of Florida will be fine

matt says basically everyone should leave or have a gas mask
and that the rovs are perpetrating "the biggest scam in history"
as the main leak is down the block... oh yeah we also have to
nuke this thing....

Simmons does think the east coast of Florida will be fine. Everybody on the Gulf Coasts, leave asap
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:36 am

This is interesting. Just stumbled across this at the Boycott BP facebook page. Can't figure out what the original source is. Maybe it's bogus, I dunno.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77f_1277858366


Investigation reveals possible criminal activity connecting Obama to BP oil spill


The new line of defense employed by the Obama Administration to deflect criticism of its lackadaisical handling of the BP oil spill is to launch a criminal investigation of the company.

Perhaps this is the best thing that could happen. Such an investigation would, of course, uncover all of BP's connections to the Democratic Party and Barack Obama, who were the single largest beneficiaries of BP campaign contributions over the last 10 years.

(AP Photo/Susan Walsh).

Granted, the Obama Justice Department, under the leadership of Obama lackey Eric Holder, would never delve into any real criminal activity if it involved revelations concerning the Administration's connections to BP, as well as the cozy relationship the company has with Democrats on the Hill.

Someone else, however, has already done such an investigation and has uncovered explosive information that possibly implicates Barack Obama, certain members of his Administration, and Democrats in Congress, in the committing of crimes.

The key is to follow the money trail.

JoAnne Moretti, along with a team of investigators, delved into records which pointed to a paper trail connecting the major players in this disaster--BP, Deep Water Horizon, Halliburton, Citigroup, Goldman-Sachs, the U.S. Government, and a company called 'NALCO.'

A few recognizable names of individuals involved in the paper trail also surfaced--Warren Buffet, George Soros, John Holdren, Tony Rezko....and Barack Obama.

At the heart of the scandal which Moretti reveals is the concerted effort by all of these major players to delay the cutting off of the oil flow into the Gulf of Mexico.

Why?

The bottom line--NALCO is the manufacturer of chemical dispersements and water purification systems that are being used in the Gulf to attempt to 'disperse the oil before it reaches the shoreline.'

This is what is known as 'the top kill' method which BP has claimed is the best manner possible of dealing with the spill. The top kill method, however, does nothing to actually stop the flow of oil from its source--the well hidden deep in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

The Obama Administration and BP have been noticeably lazy about stopping the flow of oil into the waters of the Gulf. Obama claimed that as soon as the explosion of the oil rig occurred, Federal SWOT teams were dispatched to the area in order to 'secure it.' The notion that the Obama Administration did not know the extent of the leak is contradicted by the announcement that federal teams were 'on the scene from day one.'

Obama claims that he backed off from doing anything to stop the oil leak in deference to BP, which he claims was better equipped to deal with the situation. And indeed, that much is true. BP did, in fact, say such a thing publicly.

But BP's interest in actually cutting off the flow of oil into the Gulf is just as suspect as the U.S. Government's.

And here is where the story takes a sordid, and potentially criminal, turn.

Moretti says the following:

NALCO is associated with UChicago Argonne program. UChicago Argonne received $164 million dollars in stimulus funds this past year. UChicago Argonne just added two new executives to their roster. One from NALCO. The other from the Ill. Dept of Education.

If you dig a little deeper you will find NALCO is also associated with Warren Buffett, Maurice Strong, Al Gore, Soros, Apollo, Blackstone, Goldman Sachs, Hathaway Berkshire.

Warren Buffet /Hathaway Berkshire increased their holdings in NALCO just last November. (Timing is everything).

The dispersant chemical is known as Corexit. What it does is hold the oil below the water's surface. It is supposed to break up the spill into smaller pools. It is toxic and banned in Europe.

NALCO says they are using older and newer versions of Corexit in the Gulf.. (Why would you need a newer version, if the old one was fine?)

There is big money and even bigger players in this scam. While they are letting the oil blow wide open into the Gulf, the stakes and profit rise.

The Dolphins, Whales, Manatees, Sea Turtles and fish suffocate and die. The coastal regions, salt marshes, tourist attractions and the shore front properties are being destroyed, possibly permanently.The air quality is diminished. The Gulf of Mexico fishing industry is decimated.

All to create a need for their expensive and extremely profitable poison.

But that's not all. Goldman-Sachs, Blackstone, and Apollo are all involved in NALCO. So is Tony Rezko in Chicago--the infamous friend of Barack Obama who was convicted for fraud. And multi-millions of dollars of taxpayer-funded 'stimulus funds' went into the coffers of many of the main players in NALCO.

Evidence has also been uncovered that as soon as the oil rig blew, the masterminds of the big government-big corporation complex went to work to maximize the financial reward from the disaster--'never let a good crisis go to waste.'

Investors were advised to buy BP stock, and a major symposium was held involving several key players in the Obama Administration, which focused on modern technological advances in developing 'clean water.' NALCO is the major source for such 'technological advances.'

It would appear that some of the main players in the Obama Administration and the 'favored corporations' of Obama's entourage wished to maximize their profits from the oil spill by delaying the cutting off of the oil flow so that the chemical dispersements and water purification systems made by NALCO would be used, thus boosting the profits of the company and the other corporations invested in it, such as Buffett's Berkshire, Goldman-Sachs, Citigroup, Blackstone, and Apollo.

A criminal probe of the Obama Administration is in order at the same time the Justice Department conducts its investigation of BP.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Squatterman » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:18 pm

Apologies if re-posting, didn't see this yet...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/hurricanes_ ... tsheet.pdf (via PaperPort OCR)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration U.S Department of Commerce
NOAA's Oil Spill Response
Hurricanes and the Oil Spill
What will happen to a hurricane that runs through this oil slick?
• Most hurricanes span an enormous area of the ocean (200-300 miles) — far wider than the current size of the spill.
• If the slick remains small in comparison to a typical hurricane's general environment and size, the anticipated impact on the hurricane would be minimal.
• The oil is not expected to appreciably affect either the intensity or the track of a fully developed tropical storm or hurricane.
• The oil slick would have little effect on the storm surge or near-shore wave heights.
What will the hurricane do to the oil slick in the Gulf?
• The high winds and seas will mix and 'weathe- the oil which can help accelerate the biodegradation process.
• The high winds may distribute oil over a wider area, but it is difficult to model exactly where the oil may be transported.
• Movement of oil would depend greatly on the
track of the hurricane.
• Storms surges may carry oil into the coastline and inland as far as the surge reaches. Debris resulting from the hurricane may be contaminated by oil from the Deepwater Horizon incident, but also from other oil releases that may occur during the storm.
• A hurricane's winds rotate counter-clockwise. Thus, in VERY GENERAL TERMS:
A hurricane passing to the west of the oil slick could drive oil to the coast.
A hurricane passing to the east of the slick could drive the oil away from the coast.
o However, the details of the evolution of the storm, the track, the wind speed, the size, the forward motion and the intensity are all unknowns at this point and may alter this general statement.
(continued on back)

Will the oil slick help or hurt a storm from developing in the Gulf?
• Evaporation from the sea surface fuels tropical storms and hurricanes. Over relatively calm water (such as for a developing tropical depression or disturbance), in theory, an oil slick could suppress evaporation if the layer is thick enough, by not allowing contact of the water to the air.
• With less evaporation one might assume there would be less moisture available to fuel the hurricane and thus reduce its strength.
• However, except for immediately near the source, the slick is very patchy. At moderate wind speeds, such as those found in approaching tropical storms and hurricanes, a thin layer of al such as is the case with the current slick (except in very limited areas near the well) would likely break into pools on the surface or mix as drops in the upper layers of the ocean. (The heaviest surface slicks, however, could re-coalesce at the surface after the storm passes.)
• This would allow much of the water to remain in touch with the overlying air and greatly reduce any effect the oil may have on evaporation.
• Therefore, the oil slick is not likely to have a significant impact on the hurricane.
Will the hurricane pull up the oil that is below the surface of the Gulf?
• All of the sampling to date shows that except near the leaking well, the
subsurface dispersed oil is in
parts per million levels or less. The hurricane will
mix the waters of the Gulf and disperse the oil even further.
Have we had experience in the past with hurricanes and oil spills?
Yes, but our experience has been primarily with oil spills that occurred because of the storm, not from an existing oil slick and an ongoing release
of oil from the seafloor.
• The experience from hurricanes Katrina and Rita (2005) was that oil released during the storms became very widely dispersed.
• Dozens of significant spills and hundreds of smaller spills occurred from offshore facilities, shoreside facilities, vessel sinkings, etc.
Will there be oil in the rain related to a hurricane?
No. Hurricanes draw water vapor from a large area, much larger than the area covered by oil, and rain is produced in clouds circulating the hurricane.
Learn more about NOAA's response to the BP oil
spill at http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon.
To learn more about NOAA, visit http://www.noaa.gov
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:34 pm

Alex sends oil onto Gulf roads, beaches

msnbc.com news services
updated 1 hour 11 minutes ago

GRAND ISLE, Louisiana — High tides and rough seas generated by Hurricane Alex pushed more oil from the massive spill onto Gulf coast beaches and even roads Wednesday as most cleanup efforts were sidelined by the far-away storm's ripple effects.

The hurricane was churning coastal waters across the oil-affected region on the Gulf of Mexico. Waves as high as 6 feet and winds over 25 mph were forecast through Thursday just offshore from the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana to northwestern Florida.

In Louisiana, the storm pushed an oil patch toward Grand Isle and uninhabited Elmer's Island, dumping tar balls as big as apples on the beach.

"The sad thing is that it's been about three weeks since we had any big oil come in here," marine science technician Michael Malone said. "With this weather, we lost all the progress we made."

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:47 pm

The waves really messed up the barges, some of which they brought back in. I thought that would be a problem. They'll have to realign them after this.
Biden was here yesterday. What a joke that was. He came in, got some photos at the BP command center, then flew off. The people here thought it was pointless. He didn't 'meet' with anyone. Oh well, I hear the dispersant is safe now -or so say our overlords.

And of course, this is still going on-
Jefferson Parish officials scold corps for delay in oil barrier plan
By Richard Rainey, The Times-Picayune
June 30, 2010, 6:10PM
Jefferson Parish elected officials roundly scolded the Army Corps of Engineers on Wednesday for delays in the parish's plan to place rocks and barges at five key passes near Grand Isle to stave the flow of oil into southeastern Louisiana estuaries. The corps has issued temporary environmental permits for work at two passes, but the other three remain in limbo.

"The issue with the corps is almost becoming a joke," Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts said.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill ... s_sco.html

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Posted: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 4:50PM
World's largest oil skimmer heading to Gulf

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With hurricane-whipped waves pushing more oil onto the Gulf of Mexico's once-white beaches, the government pinned its latest cleanup hopes Wednesday on a huge new piece of equipment: the world's largest oil-skimming vessel.

The Taiwanese-flagged former tanker named the "A Whale" is the length of 3 1/2 football fields and stands 10 stories high. It just emerged from an extensive retrofitting to prepare it specifically for the Gulf, where officials hope it will be able to suck up as much as 21 million gallons of oil-fouled water per day.

"It is absolutely gigantic. It's unbelievable," said Louisiana State University environmental sciences professor Ed Overton, who saw the ship last week in Norfolk, Va.

As the monsterous vessel made its way toward the Gulf coast, large waves churned up by distant Hurricane Alex left Alabama beaches splattered with oil and tar balls the size of apples. The rough seas forced most smaller skimming boats into port for a second consecutive day, putting many cleanup crews at a standstill.

The ship looks like a typical tanker, but it takes in contaminated water through 12 vents on either side of the bow. The oil is then supposed to be separated from the water and transferred to another vessel. The water is channeled back into the sea.

But the ship has never been tested, and many questions remain about how it will operate. For instance, the seawater retains trace amounts of oil, even after getting filtered, so the Environmental Protection Agency will have to sign off on allowing the treated water back into the Gulf.

"This is a no-brainer," Overton said. "You're bringing in really dirty, oily water and you're putting back much cleaner water."

The vessel, owned by the Taiwanese shipping firm TMT Group, was completed as a tanker earlier this year in South Korea. But after the Gulf spill, the company's CEO and founder, Nobu Su, ordered it changed into a giant skimmer. The vessel was sent to Portugal for the refit and embarked for the Gulf as soon as it was finished.

The ship was expected to arrive Wednesday in Louisiana coastal waters, where TMT officials planned to meet with the Coast Guard to plan a tryout of the ship.
The Coast Guard will have the final say in whether the vessel can operate in the Gulf. TMT will have to come to separate terms with BP, which is paying for the cleanup.
"I don't know whether it's going to work or not, but it certainly needs to be given the opportunity," Overton said.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:48 pm

Where the fuck was the EPA when this disaster happened? Now they're worried about someone putting oil back in the water? I hate stupidity.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:04 pm

BP plans to get rid of safety watchdog, sources say
By Drew Griffin and David Fitzpatrick, CNN Special Investigations Unit
June 30, 2010 9:56 p.m

Washington (CNN) -- BP has been trying to shut down an internal safety watchdog agency it set up under congressional pressure four years ago, according to sources close to the office and a leading congressman.
The Ombudsman Program was set up after a 2005 explosion at a BP refinery in Texas that killed 15 workers and a massive oil spill in Alaska the following year. Its chief, former federal judge Stanley Sporkin, would not comment for this story -- but a source inside his office told CNN, "I'm surprised we're still here."
The Washington-based office was set up to hear BP workers' safety concerns after investigations into the Texas City refinery explosion raised questions about whether employees feared retaliation for speaking up. Since then, 112 employees have filed complaints, and 35 of them have dealt with "system integrity or safety issues" that the office says are extremely serious.
But sources close to the office say BP doesn't like having independent investigators pursuing those complaints. A union representative told CNN that some workers who complained have faced retaliation. Jeanne Pascal, a former lawyer for the Environmental Protection Agency, agreed.
"They've been demoted, they've been terminated, they've also been blackballed," Pascal said.
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McKay had become the head of BP America in January 2009, more than a year before the the Deepwater Horizon disaster killed 11 workers and uncorked the worst oil spill in U.S. history. Stupak, D-Michigan, and other lawmakers met with McKay in January and March of that year.
"One of the first things Mr. McKay said was, 'I'm going to replace the ombudsman. I'm going to shut her down,' " Stupak told CNN. "He wasn't even on the job for more than a few weeks, maybe a month or two, and he wanted to shut down the ombudsman. We encouraged him not to do so."
Stupak said lawmakers were "shocked" that McKay would bring up the topic so soon.
"The logic was, 'Well, we will make things better,' " he said. "Well, I'm not sure."
BP has said it can do a good job investigating complaints through an established internal system -- without the ombudsman's office. But Pascal, who spent 26 years prosecuting polluters for the EPA, has called BP a "serial environmental criminal." She said BP repeatedly violates environmental laws, scoffs at safety regulations and treats U.S. government safety and pollution control officials as a mere nuisance.
The company paid record federal fines and pleaded guilty to a felony in connection with the Texas City explosion. It also pleaded guilty in 2007 to one count of criminally negligent discharge of oil, a misdemeanor, in Alaska. In 2009, the Justice Department filed a civil complaint alleging the company had violated clean air and water laws in Alaska.
That record indicates that BP considers safety "a secondary or tertiary concern," with no indication that will change, Pascal said.
"From my perspective, BP for a long time has been a company that is interested in profits first and foremost," she said. "Safety, health and the environment are subjugated to profit-making, and I do not think that has changed."

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Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:54 pm

Still listening to that Simmons audio you posted ninakat. Fortunately the hurricane went west, but you are correct, he is hitting the panic button big time, and accusing BP of a massive deception/coverup.
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Postby ninakat » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:34 am

2012 Countdown wrote:Still listening to that Simmons audio you posted ninakat. Fortunately the hurricane went west, but you are correct, he is hitting the panic button big time, and accusing BP of a massive deception/coverup.


He's really putting his reputation on the line, I would think. Of course, I hope he's proven wrong about the extent of his nightmarish warnings. But given all the lies and deception to date, it's hard not to believe what he's saying is frighteningly possible. His choice of forum for the interview was.... hmmm... interesting. :angelwings: Do you think he just wants to save the Christians, or were they the only ones who wanted to interview him? I mean, come on, they already have their rapture thing, so why does any of this matter? :jumping:
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Postby Nordic » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:04 am

ninakat wrote: Do you think he just wants to save the Christians, or were they the only ones who wanted to interview him? I mean, come on, they already have their rapture thing, so why does any of this matter? :jumping:



Maybe they saw him praying, and thought he was one of them.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:25 am

OK, I don't know thing one about David Icke. I know he has propounded the whole "reptilian" thing that we can obviously scoff at or take with a small grain of salt and merely consider. Someone posted a video of him from 1994 in a thread that I cannot remember when or where it was -- thus I am not going to look for it. (Anybody remember that video or thread, btw?). He seemed clear headed, brilliant, intuitive and not what I expected -- as I have never sought out anything ever by the guy.

Thusly, I am not keen to rense either. However, I just followed a link to this Icke article and thought I would share. It's bad news all around, with or without Icke and Rense and the like. But here it is, in full. If this guy is right, as I am verging on 51% sure he is, this is it. You want your woo Illuminati serving for the day, served with a helping of reality? Well here it is:

'And The Sea Shall Turn To Blood'...

... A 'BIBLICAL' CATASTROPHE THAT WILL AFFECT US ALL

THE 'SPILL' (UNCONTROLLED GUSH) WILL DEVASTATE AMERICA?

YES, BUT THAT'S THE IDEA





Hello all ...

The potential magnitude of what is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico simply cannot be overstated. It is far, far worse than is being admitted and what we are allowed to see is catastrophic enough.

When a major event happens I like to watch and wait to see what information comes to light before jumping in with 'it's this' or 'it's that'. What appears to be one thing at the start can become something quite different a few days or weeks later.

But I have long seen more than enough to shake my head at claims that this was just an 'accident' or 'incompetence'.

Beware cover stories of 'incompetence', as with 'incompetent bureaucrats', because they are so often a veil for cold calculation. The Gulf of Mexico disaster didn't just happen, it was made to happen.

Mother Jones magazine reported:

'Tony Buzbee, a lawyer representing 15 rig workers and dozens of shrimpers, seafood restaurants, and dock workers, says he has obtained a three-page signed statement from a crew member on the boat that rescued the burning rig's workers.

The sailor, who Buzbee refuses to name for fear of costing him his job, was on the ship's bridge when Deepwater Horizon installation manager Jimmy Harrell, a top employee of rig owner Transocean, was speaking with someone in Houston via satellite phone.

Buzbee told Mother Jones that, according to this witness account, Harrell was screaming, "Are you fucking happy? Are you fucking happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen.'

Yes, and nothing was done because it was meant to happen.

Readers of my books and website will be well acquainted with the name, Halliburton, the Illuminati-to-its-fingertips corporation once headed by the truly evil Dick Cheney, the real power in the White House during the Boy Bush administration that gave us 9/11, the 'war on terror' and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

The company headed by a key player behind the war on Iraq has since been awarded a stream of no bid government contracts in the country that have transferred staggering amounts of taxpayer money into the pig trough infested by Halliburton executives and shareholders.

Lawsuits claim that the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig, 52 miles south-east of the Louisiana port of Venice on April 20th, was caused because Halliburton workers improperly capped the well - a process known as cementing.

Anything - anything - involving or connected to Halliburton is ultimately controlled and dictated by the Illuminati cabal orchestrated by the House of Rothschild and its associated families. They own Halliburton, lock, stock and millions of barrels.

Just eight days before the Gulf blow-out, Halliburton also announced that it had agreed to buy Boots & Coots for $240.4 million. Who are Boots & Coots?

The world's largest oil-spill clean-up company which also deals with oil and gas well fires and blowouts.

What an incredibly fortunate coincidence. What a slice of luck.





The same, too, for another Rothschild-controlled cesspit of evil and corruption, Goldman Sachs, the 'investment bank' that gave us the mortgage debt crisis and the economic collapse of Greece.

Goldman Sachs sold 44 per cent of its holdings in BP, a total of 4,680,822 shares worth the best part of $300 million, in the weeks before the Gulf disaster that sent BP shares plummeting, and Tony Hayward, BP's disgraceful chief executive, is reported to have sold his £1.4 million shares in BP a month before the explosion. The profit allowed him to pay off the mortgage on his mansion. How nice.

As with the pre-9/11 'put options' (bets) on the stocks of American airlines falling, so we have gathering evidence that some people knew what was coming in the Gulf of Mexico from an oil rig operated by one of the biggest Illuminati companies on the planet - British Petroleum.

Merely drilling where BP did, with the known pressures from within the earth, was asking for trouble - literally from the inner cabal's point of view.

But what's the deal? How does an oil-poisoned ocean and devastated coastal communities (and potentially others far inland and around the world) benefit the Illuminati cabal and their agenda for total global control?

Oh, in so many ways.

Firstly, we need to appreciate the almost unimaginable scale of what is happening - facts that BP and the Obama-fronted American government are desperate to keep from us.

Recent reports have claimed to quote the opinions of scientists who are too fearful to be publicly named because of the consequences for their lives and careers.

They estimate the release of oil from under the Earth's crust at between 80,000 and 100,000 barrels a day. That is 4.2 million American gallons or 15.9 million litres a day potentially pouring into the Gulf.

This aligns with a leaked internal BP document that says that in a 'worst-case scenario' up to 100,000 barrels a day could be released into the ocean.

The scientists were quoted as saying that the 'sandblasting' of the oil, toxic gases, rocks and sand will be continually making a bigger hole for the oil and gas to escape. In other words, the situation is getting worse not better and it is already a catastrophe of immense proportions for those immediately affected - a number growing rapidly by the day.

The scientists predicted that the drill hole will expand beneath the wellhead and so weaken the area on which the wellhead stands until it is pushed off the hole to allow the oil to flow with no restrictions at all.

Should that happen the consequences are unthinkable.

The scientists said that billions of barrels of oil will be released before the pressure in the enormous cavity five miles below the seabed calms and finds balance and then water would pour into the cavity to replace the oil.

They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

American investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, writes that satellite imagery withheld by the Obama administration shows that 'under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest'. This information, he says, has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public.

Now, we have heard many doomsday scenarios before in many circumstances that have not manifested, but even if such shocking predictions do not happen on that staggering scale there is no question that the world changed on April 20th 2010 when the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded.

Just a look at the map of the Gulf region reveals the potential effect on enormous numbers of people in Mexico, the Caribbean and the southern states of America with so many living on or close to the coastline ...

But the scale and potential of what we are seeing goes way beyond even the Gulf. The scientists I mentioned earlier say that the oil has now reached the Gulf Stream, with a current at least four times stronger than in the Gulf of Mexico itself, and this could help to direct the oil all over the world in the next 18 months.

It is the Gulf Stream that keeps the United Kingdom and parts of Europe much warmer than they would otherwise be at their latitude, but it will also act as a oceanic conveyor belt delivering the oil from the Gulf Mexico across the Atlantic.

The toxic oil and gas are being added to by the lethal 'dispersant' used by BP to (theoretically, for public consumption only), 'disperse the oil'. They are using Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527A which are so toxic they have been banned in Europe, although Europe is likely to get them anyway via the Gulf Stream.

Corexit is manufactured by a corporation called Nalco, once part of ExxonMobil, and the current leadership includes executives from Exxon and BP. The European Union Times said of Corexit:

'A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources is warning today that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with "total destruction" ...

... Russian scientists are basing their apocalyptic destruction assessment due to BP's use of millions of gallons of the chemical dispersal agent known as Corexit 9500 which is being pumped directly into the leak of this wellhead over a mile under the Gulf of Mexico waters and designed, this report says, to keep hidden from the American public the full, and tragic, extent of this leak that is now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day.'

You might think at first hearing that it is blatantly crazy to use Corexit when there are some 12 other less toxic and more effective dispersants approved by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Two of those on the EPA list 'were found to be 100 percent effective on Gulf of Mexico crude, while the two Corexit products rated 56 percent and 63 percent effective'.

Well, yes, it is crazy, these people are crazy, but there is method in their madness, as I'll explain.

Killing the sea to 'save' the sea.

Corexit also causes the oil to drop below the surface so giving a false impression of how much oil is in the water.

Environmental engineer Joe Taylor has publicly warned BP to stop using Corexit immediately or everything in the sea is going to die. It is worth watching this short report on his findings before we move on, because we are getting to the prime question - why is BP doing everything it can to cause maximum destruction. Click here to watch ... Must Stop Using Toxic Dispersant Now, Says Environmental Engineer ...http://www.davidicke.com/newsletter-arc ... d-the-sea-
shall-turn-to-blood-a-biblical-catastrophe-that-will-affect-us-all#muststopusing

The key words spoken by Joe Taylor were when he said that if he knew the information about the effect of Corexit then so did BP - 'They have a lot of chemists who are a lot smarter than I am, and they know this.'

Why would BP be knowingly causing as much environmental devastation as possible? The answer to this question is the same as the answer to these:

Why was the booming operation supposed to protect the beaches from the oil so pathetic and 'inept', as exposed here by an expert ... BP Fails Booming School 101?

Why is the BP 'clean-up' operation so disorganised, unmotivated and basically non-existent that BP employees are working for little more than two hours a day on beach cleaning, as exposed here in The Short Film BP Doesn't Want You To See ...?
http://www.davidicke.com/newsletter-arc ... d-the-sea-
shall-turn-to-blood-a-biblical-catastrophe-that-will-affect-us-all#cleanup

The answer to all those questions and so many more is this: we are looking at an environmental 9/11 that was made to happen and those behind this carnage want it to be as extreme as possible to get maximum impact in terms of their goals of control and chaos.

Yes, BP is a 100% Illuminati company now facing fantastic costs and public condemnation, but all these corporations are just vehicles and thus expendable as necessary to the core agenda.

A vacuous, ludicrous and mendacious man called Bob Dudley, the BP managing director, said from the comfort and distance of Washington DC that 'for BP, our intent is to restore the Gulf the way it was before it happened.'

Excuse me a moment ...

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Thank-you.

Meanwhile, back here on Planet Earth, life as they have known it is already over for the coastal communities of the Gulf region with the tourist and fishing industries devastated or destroyed. People are now being forced to earn a livelihood working on 'clean-ups' for the same BP that has wreaked this havoc on their lives and families.

What's more, they are told by this merciless corporation that they must work amid shocking levels of toxicity without respirators because they don't want to 'alarm the public' by seeing such pictures - the same reason why BP has basically introduced its own martial law in the region to stop the full and horrific extent of the disaster and its global potential coming to light.

The health consequences for those 'clean-up' workers already exposed to this deeply toxic environment without protection will already be horrific, as we shall see. But BP couldn't give a shit - just as the US government and the New York authorities couldn't give a shit about the rescue workers on the toxic World Trade Center site after 9/11.

Already, even the (pathetic) mainstream media has reported that 70 people in Louisiana have been admitted to hospital with symptoms of toxin poisoning. Many beaches have been closed because of toxins in the air and water and people are reporting breathing problems and skin rashes and lesions.

One report said that crops as far north as North Carolina have been damaged by toxic rain, while oil has been falling in the rain near the Louisiana coast.

This is only the beginning, too, as the oil continues to gush in ever-greater amounts to be met by the lethal Corexit in ever-greater amounts, and that whole deadly toxic cocktail is going to fall as rain on communities far from the coast.

Add to that the hurricanes, tidal surges and other weather phenomena and you can understand why those nameless scientists are writing off land up to 200 miles from the shore as becoming too toxic to support life, let alone a human society. See the story about Nigeria at the end of this article for some of the consequences that oil pollution can bring.

Two other effects of so much oil in the Gulf of Mexico could be to heat up the sea, so causing more hurricanes and super-storms, and making the process of producing rain from seawater less efficient, so affecting rainfall on the land.

The major target of this engineered horror is America and its economy - as I have been saying for years they are seeking to destroy the United States militarily and financially to bring this 'superpower' to its knees so it can be absorbed into a world government dictatorship via a North American Union.

BP has said that massive quantities of methane are leaking with the oil, along with large mounts of lethally toxic hydrogen sulfide, benzene and methylene chloride. This has the potential to trigger mass evacuations.

John Kessler, oceanography professor at Texas A&M University, discovered on a ten-day research expedition what he called 'astonishingly high' levels of methane within five miles of the stricken rig - 'an incredible amount' - and maybe as much as a million times greater than normal.

It is very sobering to look again at the towns and cities of the Gulf coast given a report by investigative journalist, Wayne Madson, that quotes 'sources' inside the US government, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the US Army Corps of Engineers as predicting a 'dead zone' within 200 miles of the rig caused by a combination of methane and toxic rain containing Corexit.

Madsen says:

'Plans are being put in place for the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.'

Imagine evacuating that many people and maybe more of the tens of millions of people who live on or within 200 miles of the Gulf coast, but then that would be just the scale of disaster and compulsion that would allow FEMA, a major asset of the Control System as my books and others have detailed, to impose its long-planned martial law on enormous numbers of people.

FEMA and the military have been preparing for this for years with exercises for just such a situation involving oil pollution, but all records of this were expunged from FEMA-related websites in the weeks before the Deepwater Horizon explosion.

Anything that affects America on such a scale would have a knock-on effect economically across the world - another bonus for the cabal which is seeking to create maximum chaos on every front to instigate the global problems to which it will offer its global solutions - a world political and military dictatorship.

Watch China like a hawk, or rather like a vulture, as it begins to circle America waiting to seize its carcass as soon as it thinks it is sufficiently wounded.

While I was writing this article, I remembered that one of the 'messages' I was given through the first psychic I saw in 1990 said this:

'Taking oil from the seabed is destabilising the inner earth. The centre of the earth will move and the poles will change. The sea spirits will rise and stop men taking oil. The sea will reclaim the land and humans will see that they cannot do these terrible things. They cannot abuse the elements. They have to be treated with respect.'

We are certainly going to see increasing signs of geological instability in these 'end times' as one era ends and another begins. It is a time to be strong and strap in for a bumpy ride for a while.

There are so many levels to all this and so much more to know about what is happening. On one level the Illuminati families pursue their agenda, as with this oil disaster, but on another there are other events unfolding and what seems to be happening on one level looks very different when viewed from another.

It is also interesting that many prophecies in different cultures include a theme of the sea turning to blood which, to be fair, is what the polluted sea of Gulf now looks like.

The Biblical Book of Revelation (8:8 and 8:9) says:

'And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.'

I was talking a couple of days ago to the great Zulu high shaman, Credo Mutwa, and he said that the sea turning to blood during the run up to the 'end of the world' is a theme in his culture, too. He also said that South African sangomas (shamans) are having visions and dreams about the rain falling as blood and 'large lumps of blood rolling in the shore'.

The prophecies of the Hopi people in Arizona speak of the sea turning black as a sign that the old age is ending and new one about to begin. It says:

'This is the seventh sign, You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it.'

This is the theme of so many 'end of the world' legends and prophecies - a series of events that see the 'old world', cycle, yuga or epoch disappearing to be replaced by a new one.

In the Book of Revelation these events are symbolised as 'seals' while the Hopi prophecies call them 'signs'. Zulu legends and prophecies have the same themes and they are remarkably consistent with each other in many ways.

I stress that the 'end of the world' doesn't mean the end of life, only the end of an epoch, an age, and that is what we are experiencing now with many serious challenges to come. But if the old 'world' does not break down, the new cannot emerge because the old, through its Control System, will seek to stifle and suffocate that change.

So it has to go and it is in the process of doing so. How current events in the Gulf of Mexico fit into that we can only wait and see, but I am sure we are witnessing something of potentially enormous significance on so many levels.

Gassed In The Gulf - Benzene,
New Gulf War Syndrome

Click here to read ...
.http://rense.com/general91/spin.htm .

Raining Oil in Louisiana?

Click here to watch ...
http://www.davidicke.com/newsletter-arc ... d-the-sea-
shall-turn-to-blood-a-biblical-catastrophe-that-will-affect-us-all#rainingoil

Pensacola Beach Surf Still Boiling - Strange Color

Click here to watch ...
http://www.davidicke.com/newsletter-arc ... d-the-sea-
shall-turn-to-blood-a-biblical-catastrophe-that-will-affect-us-all#beachsurf

And it is not the only oil disaster ...

Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill [But give it time]. The US and Europe ignore it

Read more ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... elta-shell

Hopi Prophecies


Now, I know we have somehow "debunked" the mid-70's disclosure of the Hopi "prophecies" in a thread I started in fact. I know many of us are not down with Icke. But if what he says is as true as that video we saw some weeks ago, where he seemed as sane as anyone and he remains as sane as he seemed, we be fucked. Here's the URL:

http://www.rense.com/general91/blood.htm
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:31 am

Banned Trailers Return for Latest Gulf Disaster

VENICE, La. — In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, they became a symbol of the government’s inept response to that disaster: the 120,000 or so trailers provided by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to people who had lost their homes.

The trailers were discovered to have such high levels of formaldehyde that the government banned them from ever being used for long-term housing again.

Some of the trailers, though, are getting a second life amid the latest disaster here — as living quarters for workers involved with the cleanup of the oil spill.

They have been showing up in mobile-home parks, open fields and local boatyards as thousands of cleanup workers have scrambled to find housing.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/us/01 ... .html?_r=1
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:36 am

Sorry, 82, that's a load of crap.

It's not David Icke talking it's Wayne Madsen. Wayne Madsen is a fool and even more of a conspira-porn fool than Alex Jones.

Then there's this:

They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

American investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, writes that satellite imagery withheld by the Obama administration shows that 'under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest'. This information, he says, has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public.


It's not hot at those depths, it's cold. Really cold. That's why those huge plumes of oil are still underwater, because they're too cold to come all the way to the top.

And yeah, Wayne Madsen. Like that guy is privy to "almost" national security-level classification. And WTF is "almost" national security-level classification.

This is bunk.
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