TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 19, 2016 4:35 am

82_28 » Wed May 18, 2016 11:02 am wrote:Does anyone find it "funny" that all of his daughters look nothing like him? I can see the resemblance in the male offspring but his daughters carry none of his super ugly features. There's no way that guy was able to only spawn hot daughters. Wouldn't at least one of them have some sort of feature where you said, oh yeah, she looks like trump? But they seem to all share something that does not look like him at all. I gotz no idea. It's just something that came to mind.


Ivanka Trump seems like a good person, least as far as pro womens rights New York business women goes; but she's supporting the most far right positions America has ever seen.

It's weird that the far right worships Trump, yet Ivanka and her husband always say how they are devout Jews. And the new far right hates Jews like a mutha
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 19, 2016 4:39 am

Just doing the math. I am part of that loud pot clanging Bernie or Bust crowd, but I know there is no way he is getting that nomination. Trump now has the majority of the Republican voters, and soon will have most of the GOP establishment. He will garner a lot of the "working class Dems" and half the independents, while Clinton will not have the millennial youth vote and a lot of older Sanders voters refuse to vote for her.

This is the double bind to the extreme. Trump represents a multi scaled far right grassroots movement, but Clinton is hellbent on a hot war with Russia, China and North Korea while having ruined Libya and Syria.

What is the game plan now? Just collect cans and hide in cold war era bunkers? The DNC rejecting Sanders as a scrapper willing to get dirty against Trump has shot themselves in the foot
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Sounder » Thu May 19, 2016 6:33 am

I respectfully disagree.

What I see coming is that 'super delegates' will abandon Hillary as they realize that she will spoil the chances for the rest of the Democratic ticket.

Bernie has more 'strength' than most realize, and he is the only option for defeating Trump.

But I don't do 'politics', so take these words with a grain of salt.

And, contrary to what Jack prognosticates, Hillary will not beat Trump in a landslide.

She will not even be nominated. :wink
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 19, 2016 7:02 am

Sounder » Thu May 19, 2016 5:33 am wrote:I respectfully disagree.

What I see coming is that 'super delegates' will abandon Hillary as they realize that she will spoil the chances for the rest of the Democratic ticket.

Bernie has more 'strength' than most realize, and he is the only option for defeating Trump.

But I don't do 'politics', so take these words with a grain of salt.

And, contrary to what Jack prognosticates, Hillary will not beat Trump in a landslide.

She will not even be nominated. :wink


Regarding Bernie winning the nomination, even if it means the FBI email thing....
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 19, 2016 10:13 am

Sounder » Thu May 19, 2016 5:33 am wrote:I respectfully disagree.

What I see coming is that 'super delegates' will abandon Hillary as they realize that she will spoil the chances for the rest of the Democratic ticket.

Bernie has more 'strength' than most realize, and he is the only option for defeating Trump.

But I don't do 'politics', so take these words with a grain of salt.

And, contrary to what Jack prognosticates, Hillary will not beat Trump in a landslide.

She will not even be nominated. :wink


Hey, that's not what I prognosticated! And of course I'm all for your (nearly impossible) scenario.

Can't find which of too many electoral threads my prognostications are in - please point to one if handy - but I have asserted that notwithstanding the possibility of ambitiously scaled many-state fraud or of unexpected sudden and huge events, Trump will lose in a landslide to anyone including Clinton due to the demographics as he himself has arranged them in order to get where he is (automatic alienation of 30+ percent by social/identity groupings, impossibly high necessary white-male-voter total to overcome it). (Also, never mind what the polls say. At some point they will have him ahead. This scam is always run to keep the tension and ratings high.) Trump's use of broad-based identity insults, racism and even fascism are odious but made sense to win the nom, and he doesn't get to escape them by suddenly claiming he's the real Bernie. GE is Clinton's to lose, unless your happy scenario occurs. It is true that she is really really good at unnecessary alienation! Unfortunately I think her downfall is likelier Roussef-style, after the election. We'll all die feeling like during the decisive period of setting up the Great Earthburning, some vague extended soap opera about Lewinsky and e-mails took up 20+ years of the indispensable country's political life.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 19, 2016 10:29 am

Clinton is (forgive me) nothing more than a lame mom. Trump seems to be more of a racist dad that lets you fuck around, burn shit, light off fireworks etc. Nothing sexist involved. They are playing roles, whether they themselves know it or not, but the roles are being played and they are working. What do you want a lame mom or a dad that says fuck it. Very confusing and should not be this way.

Sanders is a cantankerous grandpa who, I believe has a good heart.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby norton ash » Thu May 19, 2016 10:47 am

15-year-olds can't vote yet, so your analysis strikes me as moot.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu May 19, 2016 10:50 am

Via Jeff bot. This can definitely happen, and it can happen fast.

Poll: Voters want an independent to run against Clinton, Trump

Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is likely to be elected president in November, but voters are yearning for another option.

A Clinton presidency is “the most likely scenario,” given the real estate mogul’s problems in key demographics and battleground states, according to the results of a Data Targeting poll released Wednesday.

Both candidates, however, have high unfavorability ratings — 56 percent for Clinton and 55 percent for Trump, and nearly six in 10 voters surveyed are dissatisfied with the option of choosing between just Clinton and Trump in November.

Fifty-five percent favor having an independent candidate challenge the Democratic front-runner and presumptive Republican nominee for president. An unprecedented 91 percent of voters 28 or younger favor having an independent on the ballot, and 65 percent of respondents are willing to support a candidate who isn’t Clinton or Trump.

According to Data Targeting’s ballot test, an independent candidate would start off with 21 percent of the vote.

The survey of 997 respondents was conducted May 12-15 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu May 19, 2016 11:04 am

Well, Israel is happy to provide us a third party, thus cutting out their middlemen and unlocking tremendous efficiencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renegade_Party

Romney, McChrystal, Huntsman and Cuban are Kristol's current muses for candidates. Romney doing anything with the word "renegade" involved will, of course, not happen.

Kristol stated on May 18, 2016 that the new Renegade Party is hoping to win three states so that the election would have to be decided by the House of Representatives instead of the electoral college.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu May 19, 2016 12:20 pm

Romney is an especially strange choice.

I'm all for a four-way race, especially three establishment candidates and one Jill Stein / other.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Thu May 19, 2016 12:22 pm

Luther Blissett » Thu May 19, 2016 11:20 am wrote:Romney is an especially strange choice.

I'm all for a four-way race, especially three establishment candidates and one Jill Stein / other.


Romney isn't strange. They need a puppet who can bark on command, Romney fills this. They aren't used to thinking in terms of who can win a race, merely stacking the race with people that obey.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 19, 2016 12:56 pm

Speaking of Rmoney it is certainly interesting that he is now coming off as the sane person of note. How the worm turns.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby NeonLX » Thu May 19, 2016 2:11 pm

82_28 » Thu May 19, 2016 11:56 am wrote:Speaking of Rmoney it is certainly interesting that he is now coming off as the sane person of note. How the worm turns.


Eep. I hadn't considered that. OMG.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Thu May 19, 2016 2:16 pm

8bitagent » Thu May 19, 2016 3:35 am wrote:
82_28 » Wed May 18, 2016 11:02 am wrote: but she's supporting the most far right positions America has ever seen.


Yeah, no. Far right for the last 20-40 years maybe.



It's weird that the far right worships Trump, yet Ivanka and her husband always say how they are devout Jews. And the new far right hates Jews like a mutha


If it seems weird it's only because you don't grasp how they operate.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby semper occultus » Mon May 23, 2016 2:57 am

The only living Trump supporter in Silicon Valley

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Sunday 22 May 2016 08.59 BST

PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel has come out in support of the Republican frontrunner – but then, he’s also supported the idea of a libertarian utopia in space

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/22/peter-thiel-paypal-donald-trump-silicon-valley-libertarian

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The most interesting discovery of the week was not that IBM, Citigroup and Microsoft were unwittingly running ads on (and therefore providing funds to) an Indonesian jihadi website – though they were – but that Peter Thiel is supporting Donald Trump in his bid to become the next president of the United States.

“Peter who?” I hear you say. Mr Thiel is not exactly a household name in these parts, but in Silicon Valley he’s a big cheese, as a co-founder of PayPal and the first investor in Facebook. He is therefore rich beyond the dreams of avarice. But he is also: a philosophy graduate; a lawyer; a former bond trader; a hedge-fund manager; a venture capitalist; a philanthropist; a far-out libertarian; and an entertaining author. So what is a guy like that doing supporting Trump?

One answer might be that he’s as much of an irritant to the Silicon Valley crowd as Trump is to the Republican establishment. Although the Valley’s tech titans like to portray themselves as non-statist disruptors, in fact most of them are – politically speaking – Democratic party supporters, albeit of an unusual kind. They may detest trade unions, for example, but they’re very keen on immigration – so long as the immigrants have PhDs from elite Indian or Chinese universities. And they’re not opposed to big government, so long as it’s “smart”, whatever that means.

What is a billionaire fantasist to do? Why, hitch his wagon to that of another billionaire fantasist, of course
Peter Thiel doesn’t fit this template at all. In 2009, he published an intriguing essay entitled The Education of a Libertarian. “I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years”, it began: “to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself ‘libertarian’.” But, he confessed, “over the last two decades, I have changed radically on the question of how to achieve these goals. Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”

So what changed his mind? Answer: the 2008 banking collapse, which Thiel describes as “a financial crisis caused by too much debt and leverage, facilitated by a government that insured against all sorts of moral hazards – and we know that the response to this crisis involves way more debt and leverage, and way more government. Those who have argued for free markets have been screaming into a hurricane. The events of recent months shatter any remaining hopes of politically minded libertarians. For those of us who are libertarian in 2009, our education culminates with the knowledge that the broader education of the body politic has become a fool’s errand.”

The emerging theme is that democratic politics is irretrievably broken. “In our time,” Thiel says, “the great task for libertarians is to find an escape from politics in all its forms – from the totalitarian and fundamentalist catastrophes to the unthinking demos that guides so-called ‘social democracy’. The critical question then becomes one of means, of how to escape not via politics but beyond it.”

In 2009 Thiel could only see three possible escape routes. The first was cyberspace: “By starting a new internet business,” he wrote, “an entrepreneur may create a new world. The hope of the internet is that these new worlds will impact and force change on the existing social and political order.” The second was – wait for it – outer space: “Because the vast reaches of outer space represent a limitless frontier, they also represent a limitless possibility for escape from world politics.” And finally there was what Thiel called “seasteading” – floating islands in international waters run as libertarian paradises, presumably with free copies of Ayn Rand’s books on every bedside table.

Sadly, none of these ideas has – as yet – borne much fruit. The internet has been captured by governments and huge corporations. Colonising Mars and escaping to other galaxies is a proposition only for Hollywood and the Starship Enterprise. And seasteading, though technically less impracticable, remains the fantasy of dreamers and flakes of Cadbury proportions.

Faced with these cruel disappointments, what is a billionaire fantasist to do? Why, hitch his wagon to that of another billionaire fantasist, of course. And Trump and Thiel have more in common than perhaps they realise. In his 2009 essay, for example, Thiel wrote: “Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women – two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians – have rendered the notion of ‘capitalist democracy’ into an oxymoron.” Trump is hoping to turn that oxymoron into a reality.
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