Looking Back, What Was YOUR 'Holy Sh*t!' Moment of Truth

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Looking Back, What Was YOUR 'Holy Sh*t!' Moment of Truth

Postby NavnDansk » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:01 am

Looking Back, What Was YOUR 'Holy Sh*t!' Moment of Truth

All of the above. I don't think there's anyone in the States, Canada, UK, EU and middle east for sure that didn't have that sinking, sickening feeling that comes when people know war and chaos is coming.

But for me it was the morning of April 19, 1993. That's right, 1993. When the government of the United States murdered 76 innocent civilian American citizens in broad daylight on national television. That was my "Holy Sh*t" moment. I got on the phone to call everyone I knew...and people did not want to talk about it.

That's when I knew the handwriting was on the wall. Everything since was escalation from the public letting them get away with those murders. The ATF trapped them in their building for weeks. When the public said nothing, they burned them alive. So no bodies were left to be photographed or seen. Someone planned that, came up with that idea. Those planners are still walking free, living large.

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And for Americans who've not merely been silent during the slaughter of children in Iraq and elsewhere, but have enjoyed it, they've sealed their own future and don't even know. For the killers are just getting started. Rumsfeld and Bush have been sure to tell us all along "this war is for decades, maybe a century".

1960's Americans had no patience for a war that lasted longer thant WWII. We protested the "Desert Shield" phase of the 1st Iraq invasion, on the same premise--'no more Viet Nams'. What's happened since, that these officials can speak of their 100 years war, and nobody blinks?

Further, they openly tell us this war is State vs. civilians. How can anyone not know they mean you and me. It's been said a lot that 'everybody's brain dead'. But it's not that. It's 'compassion dead' and 'self preservation dead'.

If people can't feel compassion for the ruined lives and bodys of victims of the US taxpayers Murder Machine abroad, they cannot expect any people in the world to speak up for them, when the Snake gets around to eating it's tail domestically. The 'Western Theater' of the WW are coming, after the US election in 2008.

And as Charlie Manson once said, "You ain't seen the bloody trail".


There's a song by Leonard Cohen from 1989. "The Future". I listened to it then, I listen to it now. The 90's was America's last time to choose, with relatively blood free hands. I now see many Americans as dripping with the blood of mothers and children. Make no mistake, friend, you and I with compassion have that blood accumulating on our hands too, each time we stay silent when we could speak up.

I see them already damned by their own choice, damning us all along with their number. Are you going to go on sitting on your ass as people did in the 90's, and no at least speak your mind to the brainwashed damned you overhear talking trash? "WE really got that bastart Zarquawi, way to go! Kill 'em all. Their animals".

Excuse me? Who were the animals of the Massacre of Fallujah?

We need to start carrying photos of these children in our wallets. Ask a war supporter to show you the photo of his pride and show in his wallet, then show him what he's approving and enjoying through his hatred of 'ragheads'. And be sure to tell him that "A people who can't feel compassion for children anywhere on earth can expect no mercy when our turn comes." Probably will start a fist fight, or get you fired at work, but no guts, no glory.

Courage of conviction. We need that. You will get to choose whether you die on your feet, or live on your knees. That choice is not up to the man with big black gun. We make our own choices.

It's getting very late now, this has gone way too far. We're in that future Cohen sang of 17 years ago. It's just not really hit US soil yet. But it will if people continue to be unmoved by what our omplicity is causing to innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the rest of this psychotic program of Globalist 'upgrading' of humanity to suit themselves.

New Year's Eve, 1999. I was living in Austin, Texas, where our fearless fleecer G W Bush was governor. In that location, everyone was aware that he would swoop up into Washington. Never mind the voting formality. In the Texas capitol they're used to power brokers just walking into office, and Bush was going to be the next president.

Looking back everyone who felt forboding about that should have dropped everything they were doing to turn out at the capitol every day to force their hand to tear gas or shoot us in frustration, just so dumber Americans could see a taste of how ruthless these people are. But instead Bush sailed through in full control of reality in Texas.

The first disturbing thing Bush did on his own was proceed to start executing a convict a week, signing death orders. He made callous remarks to the local press each time he signed the death warrant. He'd joke, he'd smile and chuckle. You see they were showing us how this man who was going to be in charge could order death without a trace of compassion.

Sure, he was executing murderers, but with the glee of a Roman Emperor. He enjoys the power of death over life.I guess those of us who could sense the future should have guessed that it would be the people who felt Bush was justified in his weekly executions policy would be the same ones who would buy into the 911 bullshit and support any war, anytime, anywhere. And they did. Those were the real 'sleepers'. People have called them 'brain dead' but that's not it. They're compassion dead.

I had forboding, I'd seen Kennedy shot on television as a boy, so I'd always been aware that there's an evil bunch at the top. I'd lived through 12 years of GHW Bush, people had been so relieved to be rid of the name for a few years, and here it was going to start over again soon, picking up were it left off with Desert Storm.

I went to rallies to protest the first Iraq war. But I must admit, at that time it was American lives we

were thinking about, we didn't visualize the Iraqis--we just didn't support another war on a non-threatening country on the other side of the globe. More real compassion for the victim, both the target and the soldier, may have made a spiritual difference. We've been ineffective because people have been dumbed down, drugged, and superficial.

Many I knew then were aware of what was coming in this decade. Loss of more rights, economic repression, more laws just to make life inconvenient to keep people busy and down. And more important -- wars.

We knew Iraq wasn't finished. People I knew and hung out with, fresh out of college mostly, knew that there would be some 'big
event' but the speculation was when and what for. The assumption was some 'national emergency' probably false flag incident--many suggested the WTC would be destroyed and blamed on Muslim terrorists. It wasn't rocket science to suspect that, if you were open to the idea that they would do something for a pretext for authoritarianism and war.

The WTC was constantly being suggested by their own media--movies. What do you think the 'Diehard' movies with Bruce Willis were preparing the public for?

But I'll keep this brief. The moment it really hit me, was New Year's Eve, 1998. Because I decided to stay in for the first time in years and not attend any New Year's parties. I drove around early in the evening while the sun set, and saw the people, felt the empty quiet there is on New Years Eve as most stores are closed and people are getting ready for their parties indoors.

A dark mood came over me that I hadn't expected. I knew that this was the end of the few years of 'innocence' in America. People had slept through the goverment murder of women and children on television in '93 at Waco. And the other incidents. felt forboding, because my mind went back to the morning I watched the ATF, FBI, and Delta Force bulldoze a firebreak for few hours around the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, and send in a Brandly flamethrowing tank (that's what Bradleys were designed to do), and proceed to burn 76 innocent men, women and chidren alive. A third were children. Who could watch that happen and not be fully aware of the remorseless, psychotic slaughter of children anywhere"

From then on, it was clear they were going to unleash mass murder. Just not clear where and when, but guessing it would resume in Iraq after 2000 iwth a Bush in the White House wasn't hard to imagine. Judgement day was coming for America's disregard of that. I knew it then and was able to keep it in the back of my mind during the rest of the 90's, but I knew that public apathy over that day was going to come back with a heavy, deadly price.

Forboding become knowlege the morning of 911. That was it, what people I'd known had been fearing for years. The 'big event', the pretext. And all the misery and wholesale death and evil perpetrated every week since. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon.....rolling death. They got this far because the majority didn't get angry during their earlier, smaller murders right under our noses.

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Wow. I'd ask you to get the hell out of there and come up here to Canada, but then you are exactly the type of person America needs. Anyhow, things are changing here fast since Canadians chose a Bilderberger to lead them to the brink. Canadians now have their own rude awakening on the horizon

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:33 am

Mine was when I discovered Finton Dunne claimed RI was an internet fake website run by the CIA.

http://www.breakfornews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm


Or maybe it really happened when I was about 10.
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Postby darkbeforedawn » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:39 am

Great post Novn!!
At the time of Waco I neither saw tv or listened to the news much and I was completely absorbed in survival.

But I do remember puzzleing over it and wondering how they could shoot all those children to "save them from a child molester" which was their only excuse for the attack. I just didn't get it, but everyone around seemed to think they were Whacko and deserved it so I forgot about it.
Now in 20 20 hindsight I see how right you are.
It was a test for how far gone the American public was and I failed it.

I think my "oh Shit" moment came in the 2004 election night.
I realized the gig was in now when I saw Dan Rather that night gulping over the "exit polls".
Suddenly, I understood 9-11 and everything else. The world closed in like a tight little jail and hasn't let up since.
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Postby sunny » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:04 pm

My "oh shit" moment came when I was about 9 years old. I watched all the Watergate hearings that summer and came away with the definite opinion that because the President lied and seemed to be a criminal, you couldn't believe a darn thing the teevee told you. Just several months prior, I had watched the Republican convention and Nixon was presented as the hero president and I bought into it. I felt so burned, I turned into the most politically cynical kid you would ever hope to meet.

However, I was also burned by Bill Clinton. I just loved him when he was running in '92 and volunteered to work on his campaign in my very poor home county here in Alabama. Ours was was one of only a handful of counties Clinton won here, all poor and/or predominantly black.(the so-called "Black Belt.") Waco absolutely horrified me, but I was convinced the FBI had done it to make Clinton look bad. (I'm still not so sure that is not the case, but not because I want to defend Blow-job Bill) But when he pushed "welfare reform" I looked at everything he had ever said or done in a new light. He was really a right wing trojan horse, and boy was he good. Most on the so called "progressive" side of the fence still defend and hero worship him. gaahh. The naivete of the mainstream left in this country is mind-boggling.

As for America reaping what it's sown, it is far too late to do anything about that. It is coming and it's going to be bad bad bad. Too bad those of us who have spoken, written, protested, and taught our children about the horrific actions of the US Government will have to pay as well, but that is the nature of things. We deserve everything that's going to happen because we are, collectively, guilty.
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Postby PeterofLoneTree » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:43 pm

When I realized that the American Revolution was fought because rich "Americans" didn't want to pay high British taxes.

“Around 1776, certain important people in the English colonies made a discovery that would prove enormously useful for the next two hundred years. They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from the favorites of the British Empire. In the process, they could hold back a number of potential rebellions and create a consensus of popular support for the rule of a new, privileged leadership.”
-- Howard Zinn, A People's History of the United States
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Postby thurnundtaxis » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:47 pm

I guess I lost my innocence in my first year of college when I wrote research paper about the gnostic gospels for a humanities class. Prior to that I was a practicing and active catholic, even reading scripture as a lector during services. The arbitrary editing of primary sources done by the Council of Trent in establishing some writings as canonical and others apocryphal sent me on my journey towards parsing out truths from the controlled information sources. I figured that if "men of god" could be so casual about spreading misinformation then what could I expect from the far more secular world of government.

Then Iran/Contra came to light and the crooks and liars got off scott free and America didn't seem to care. Since then it's been a slippery slope from Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC, the 2000 "election", 9/11 etc. etc.
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Postby oceanpoetry » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:04 pm

Interesting thread - and interesting post -Dansk. My holy crap - we are all effed moment came on Dec 12, 2000. When the Supreme Court announced the vote counting would not be completed. I remember sitting in my car listened to NPR when it was announced, feeling stunned and outraged, feeling that democracy in America is over. And then during the next few days and weeks, where was the outrage from others? even from Gore? how could this be allowed to happen - with all of the voting irregularities - with Katherine Harris and her support of the Republican Party. So, unfortunately, based on the 2000 election I am not suprised by anything that has happened since. How can any good come out of an election like that?
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After MLK, Bobby, Attica and Kent State

Postby Seventhsonjr » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:35 pm

I'd have to say the moment that took my breath away was when I discovered in a book by Carroll Quigley that the early head of the CIA and member of the Warren Commission, Allen Dulles, (who'd been fired by Kennedy over the bay of pigs fiasco) was also on the board of the principal bank to finance Hitler (Schroeder Bank) and worked for the law firm (Sullivan and Cromwell) that repped the company that was operating Auschwitz (IGFarben)

Quigley's book "Tragedy and Hope, A History of the World in Our Times", had it in black and white from an insider.

This was in early 1977.

Suddenly my whole understanding of history was changed forever.

The Nazis had WON WWII and were HERE running the show.

Though they had thrown out the Nazi logo and the master race propaganda as ineffective, they still had the same agenda.

A 2000 year Reich run by the Anglo-Nordics. In league with whoever would fall for their promise of golden mammon.
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Many moments over the years

Postby pugzleyca3 » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:49 pm

My first "moment" was the day the hostages were released from Iran. The timing was just too perfect to be anything other than a set up, the hype too Hollywood to seem realistic.

Then there was Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 2000 election, 9/11 and the 2004 election, the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. And all the little ones in between that caused me to stop and stare at the newscaster/politician that had just grown an extra pair of fangs as he/she lied through them. Even though I knew something was wrong, I couldn't comprehend a conspiracy so huge and so long lived in duration.

I've had many of these moments over the years, but the one that really woke me up was when I saw WTC 7 collapse on a video online and found out it wasn't included in the 9/11 Commission Report.

What are these moments? To me, they are moments when truth rings so loud it simply can't be ignored and it penetrates even the thickest blanket of denial/ignorance. Even if the moment quickly passes and the struggles of daily life take over and it is soon forgotten... until the next one comes.
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watching "The Truth & Lies of 911"

Postby slow_dazzle » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:55 pm

and then reading "Crossing the Rubicon".

That is when I realised what is really going on.
On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:23 pm

When I was about 7 my father sued the Law Society of the state we lived in on behalf of a client who had been ripped off by them.

An idealistic if dumb thing to do. They set him up repeatedly over the next few years charged him with Malpractice and declared him bankrupt.

By the time I was 10 Dad was appealing the case and one day in the middle of the case he jumped in a car with the only friend he had left, drove to a small airfield on the other side of the state and flew to the mainland in a small plane.

I came home from school to a friends, spoke to the old man for 10 minutes then that was the last I saw of him for about 6 months.

Dad left cos one of the things that was used against him was the safety of myself and my younger brother.

I guess ever since then I just haven't been the same.

But in some ways I still think the system works.

We stopped the MAI in 98 with a massive grass roots movement worldwide.

Of coursae the ugliness came back in many other forms, but as some punk singer once quipped:

"The struggle is Hard
The struggle is long
the struggle is beautiful."

(OOOEEER says the double entendre freak that sometimes hides in my right frontal lobe.)
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:27 pm

Back in high school I was a big Twin Peaks fan. It really started me down the rabbit hole. Been a big Lynch fan ever since. The first real parapolitical event that opened my eyes was the October Surprise when those hostages in Iran were released just in time to make President Bush and Vice President Reagan look like heros. Carter got fucked beyond measure in that deal. I was young at the time but it really made me think and start to consider that things are not always what they may seem to at first be.
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Postby medicis » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:44 pm

I was affected by many of the events described by others but my optimism in the American caldron of ideas coupled with distraction by the requirements of studying to become a professional and then working to establish myself gave me little opportunity to see what was happening.

But the silly tale is, that one day I inadvertently left my f150 pu out of gear or it slipped out of gear (while I left to run my Lab on the grounds of a large state psych hospital) and the truck rolled down a hill crashing into an oak tree. The tow-truck guy, a friend of mine simply laughed long and hard at me. I had to laugh too.

Well, after finding a new truck (I need it for the house I am restoring) the very next day I came across an article on Peak Oil (which you may or may not believe in generally) but I kicked myself for the purchase. Ultimately web links led me to the Crawford Newspaper, The Lone Star Iconoclast where an add for 'In Plane Sight' intrigued me. In spite of the errors I now know it contained, I was convinced. Since then it has been the traditional fall down the 'Rabbit Hole'. Now, I cannot 'not' think about it. Of course I have times while I am distracted by my practice and living. But the fact of our coming holocaust weighs heavily. The sense of helplessness is debilitating. Like others here, many of whom were active long before me, I now try to do what I can. But the pressure to do even more, to risk even more is pressing upon me. My son has to live in the coming world ruin.
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Postby wintler2 » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:57 am

for me it was getting hammered by Victoria's finest uniformed goons when the WEF came to town in 2000. That 50 odd resolutely nonviolent blockaders could be stomped into the ground merely to allow timely access to a conference junket was a reality check. That the operation was careful planned and executed to a. avoid any footage for tv and b. not give the coppers involved any choice or discretion in the assault was just icing on the cake. Small in the scheme of things, but very educational personally.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:00 am

1st layer:
being pulled out of class in 2nd grade for insisting Thanksgiving stories were lies and we actually killed all the "Indians"

2nd layer:
WTO protest in Quebec City, seeing kids on the front lines against the fence screaming at us that we could take the fence down and overwhelm the cops and the revolution could start right then and there...

...then, an hour later, seeing those same kids on the other side of the fence sharing a coffee with some cops in uniform and pointing at people in the crowd.

Aha.
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