Devil worship links to mystery man (Guardian)

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Devil worship links to mystery man (Guardian)

Postby Jeff » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:03 am

Very curious:

Devil worship links to mystery man

John Hooper in Rome
Friday March 30, 2007


Police in northern Italy are wrestling with a mystery that brings together a man with memory loss, evidence of devil worship and a blood-drenched flat.

One evening a young man wandered into a police station at Vercelli, between Turin and Milan. He said he had no idea who he was, or why he was there. Three days earlier, on March 16, the owner of a bedsit outside Bergamo, more than 70 miles away, had broken into her flat. The tenant had not paid his rent and she wanted to know if he was still there.

She found signs everywhere that it had been used for a Satanic rite. There were upturned crosses, and the place was smothered with symbols written in blood. Forensic experts estimated that as much as three litres had been splashed around.

Only later was it established that all of it belonged to the confused man. He has since been identified as a 22-year-old called Daniele, who, until recently, worked in a factory. His family said his only hobby was UFOs. They told police that, last September, he had suddenly left his job and spent his savings, though his relations with his parents, who he now says he cannot recognise, continued to seem normal.

According to a report in the daily Corriere della Sera, doctors have found he has punctures on his body. But there is no evidence that Daniele had taken drugs. Among the puzzles are how a man who had lost almost three litres of blood could have made his way 70 miles across country - and what happened to him in the three days that he was missing. Prosecutors are treating it as case of attempted murder.



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From an earlier report:

According to a report in the daily Corriere della Sera, psychiatrists who have examined Daniele are convinced he is not feigning amnesia. Doctors, meanwhile, have found he has a scar, about an inch long, on his right arm and a series of smaller punctures on other parts of his body.

But there is no evidence that Daniele had taken drugs, and the marks do not correspond to those left when blood is extracted in the normal way by medical staff.

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As for the young man himself, all he can offer them is the faint recollection of an abbey.

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Postby 11:11 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:46 am

Holy shit. Where do you find this stuff?! 3 liters? The human body has just under 5, I think. Well, if anyone doubts these wild stories about UFOs, SRA, and blood sacrifice, this seems to have all of those elements.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:55 am

Well, if anyone doubts these wild stories about UFOs, SRA, and blood sacrifice, this seems to have all of those elements.


Curious, indeed.
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Postby blanc » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:14 am

I would not rush to assume ufo was a direct connection. read blasphemous rumours by a. boyd for some very terrestrial accounts of blood letting by slashes in the arm and multiple puncture wounds.
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Postby 11:11 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:02 am

ancient blood sacrifice cult>secret societies>mind control>UFO abuctees
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:19 am

Is there any reason to believe that all of the blood was his (or even all human)? Not from what I see in this article. What does he have to show for spending all of his savings? His family said that his only hobby was UFOs -- whatever that means. He did factory work -- what factory? How did they determine that he hadn't been taking drugs -- blood test? I guess that would help to determine if the blood was his.

I wonder if we'll hear anything more about this at all. I'm not betting we'll see much more, but I've been surprised before...

Regardless, this guy is in rough shape no matter how you look at it. I hope things improve for him and someone makes sense of this.
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Postby Dreams End » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:32 am

This story was in my default Firefox newsreader.

I don't know why they assumed all that blood was his. I never saw a follow up to this story in My of 2005:
Italian police find child torture site
Nearly 200 face charges
By John Oates → More by this author
Published Wednesday 25th May 2005 09:50 GMT
Research library - All papers free to download.

Three Catholic priests, a police officer and a social worker are among 186 people reportedly under investigation in Italy this morning after authorities shut down a child torture website.

The website hosted pictures and videos of children between four and eight being sexually abused and tortured. Police are still investigating and are yet to press charges.

The password-protected site was online for just nine days before being closed down in July. Web monitoring organisation Telefono Arcobaleno tipped off authorities, according to AP.

The site was not indexed so wasn’t picked up search engines. It was hosted on an Italian server but advertised in other countries.

The investigation is continuing and no-one has been arrested yet. Premises belonging to 159 suspects in 16 of Italy’s 20 regions were searched on Tuesday. Other suspects have already been searched. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/25 ... ild_abuse/
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Postby Jeff » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:16 am

It's a weird one, isn't it? And I'd put money on this being all we hear about it.

Wouldn't the first thing they'd do be a blood test? Strange the report doesn't mention that, and even stranger if they haven't tested.
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Postby Jeff » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:17 pm

Don't think I'd seen this before:

Italian 'Beasts of Satan' jailed

22 February, 2005

The Italian mastermind of three gruesome "satanic" murders has been sentenced to 30 years in prison.

A second member of the cult involved in the murders received a 16-year term, while a third man was acquitted.

The killings, which shocked Italy, were carried out by a heavy metal band calling itself the Beasts of Satan.

The three victims were a woman shot and then buried alive in 2004 and a teenage couple, who were murdered six years earlier.

Andrea Volpe, the leader of the heavy metal group and the main culprit in the murders, has been handed down a longer prison sentence than expected.

His prosecutors had asked for 20 years on the grounds that had cooperated with investigators and shown remorse.

Pietro Guerrieri is to serve the 16-year term.

Buried alive

"Today justice rewarded me", said Michele Tollis, the father of Fabio, who was only 16 when he was killed and buried along with his 19-year-old girlfriend Chiara in a forest not far from Milan.

But Chiara's mother, Lina Marino, was outraged at the punishment, which she considered too lenient.

"They are murderers. It's not fair," she said.

The 1998 murders were carried out as part of drug fuelled rituals involving sex and heavy metal music.

The couple, themselves members of the heavy metal band, were killed in woods northeast of Milan and then buried next to each other.

Volpe was also found guilty of the 2004 murder of his own girlfriend, 27-year-old Mariangela Pezzotta, who was shot and buried alive in a forest.

It was the discovery of her body that helped investigators solve the 1998 case.

A third defendant was acquitted at the end of the fast-track trial on Tuesday, but five more members of the cult are due to go to trial in June.

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Postby jingofever » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:33 pm

Jeff wrote:blah blah blah blah ...


I remembered that "Beasts of Satan" story, thought it was from your blog and it was but you didn't write it. The Fearless Vampire Killers, first comment.

And a detail you left out from the second link, "The hard drive in Daniele's computer is missing, as is the SIM card of his mobile phone." This makes the story seem too implausible, it is too X-Files for my tastes. I am expecting a mundane explanation, whatever the hell it could be.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:00 pm

And a detail you left out from the second link, "The hard drive in Daniele's computer is missing, as is the SIM card of his mobile phone." This makes the story seem too implausible, it is too X-Files for my tastes. I am expecting a mundane explanation, whatever the hell it could be.


It does make it a bit implausible, but paranoid behavior could account for that stuff going missing if those details aren't just fabrications.
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Re: Devil worship links to mystery man (Guardian)

Postby kermujin » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:29 pm

Jeff wrote: Forensic experts estimated that as much as three litres had been splashed around.

Only later was it established that all of it belonged to the confused man.


This is where *I* got the impression the blood was his.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:38 pm

Yes, I did read that part. My point was -- how did they know all (estimated) three liters came from that guy? Did they figure out how much blood was missing from his body and say "oh, we found where all of that blood went"? -- or did they assume that all of the blood was his and conclude that he was missing three liters of blood? Can you see how the article implies that the blood was his without any realistic correlation? If there's a fact somewhere that makes this connection any clearer, I'd like to see it.
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Postby 11:11 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:36 pm

I don't know how Satanic Rituals work, but maybe they bleed their victims, slowly? Nobody could lose that much blood, at once, and walk around. If the authorities say it's his blood, then they must have done a DNA test.

Uh, I don't think this guy is going to have anything work out well for him. If he's a victim of SRA, then it's no one off. He probably can't remember anything becuase it was an alter that took part in the ritual.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:38 pm

So, you're trusting both "the authorities" and the reporting on this?
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