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De Palma's "Redacted" Censored

Postby sunny » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:25 pm

We've discussed this film before:

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Director De Palma disturbed over Iraq film edit

By Christine Kearney

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Veteran Hollywood director Brian De Palma has lashed out at what he calls the censorship of his new film about Iraq and the chilling effect of corporate America on the war.

De Palma's film, "Redacted," is based on the true story of a group of U.S. soldiers who raped and killed a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdered members of her family. It has stunned audiences for its shocking images and rattled American conservative commentators before its U.S. opening next month.

But De Palma says he is upset that the documentary-style drama -- its name derived from his view that news coverage of the war has been incomplete -- has been censored.

The film's distributor, Magnolia Pictures, ordered the faces of dead Iraqis shown in a montage of photographs at the end of the film be blacked out.

"I find it remarkable. 'Redacted' got redacted. I mean, how ironic," De Palma, who made his name directing violent films like "Scarface" and "The Untouchables," said in an interview. "I fought every way I could in order to stop those photographs from being redacted and I still lost."

De Palma has loudly argued the issue in public, including sparring with Eamonn Bowles, the president of Magnolia, during a recent forum at the New York Film Festival. Bowles countered that possible future lawsuits by the families of the dead Iraqis meant the photos had to be edited.

Bowles said Magnolia had been put in "an untenable legal position," and that De Palma lost rights to the film's final cut in recent arbitration with the Directors Guild of America.

"We were always open about letting him make the sort of film he wanted to make," Bowles said in an interview, adding not many distribution companies would have supported the film at all. Continued...



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Re: Movie wars for our hearts and minds

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:16 pm

sunny wrote:We've discussed this film before:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... ian++palma


Director De Palma disturbed over Iraq film edit

By Christine Kearney

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Veteran Hollywood director Brian De Palma has lashed out at what he calls the censorship of his new film about Iraq and the chilling effect of corporate America on the war.

De Palma's film, "Redacted," is based on the true story of a group of U.S. soldiers who raped and killed a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdered members of her family. It has stunned audiences for its shocking images and rattled American conservative commentators before its U.S. opening next month.


Movie - countermovie.

So, 'US men attack a little girl' is the basic plot not yet out but already upsetting some.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the basic plot of a movie out right now is 'US men rescue a little girl.'

That would be 'Gone, Baby, Gone.'

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Based on the Dennis Lehane novel about two Boston area detectives investigating a little girl's kidnapping, which ultimately turns into a crisis both professionally and personally.


And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this 'US men/kidnapped little girl' movie is now competing with 'Rendition' with the plot 'US men kidnap innocent Arab.'

Yesterday I heard National Propaganda Radio's film reviewer hype 'Gone, Baby, Gone' and diss 'Rendition.' Gosh, what a surprise.

Go look at your mega-cina-plex movie dispensary for coming attractions and see that:

> 'Bee Movie' is coming from CIA For Kids! Disney to assuage concern over bee Hive Collapse Syndrome that amped global warming angst this past year.

>'Elizabeth: The Golden Age' is coming withe poster motto being
"Woman- Warrior - Queen" to hype warrior culture for recruiting.
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Re: Movie wars for our hearts and minds

Postby Jeff » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:25 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Go look at your mega-cina-plex movie dispensary for coming attractions and see that:

> 'Bee Movie' is coming from CIA For Kids! Disney to assuage concern over bee Hive Collapse Syndrome that amped global warming angst this past year.


Hugh, do you realize how long it takes animated features to get made? "Bee Movie" has been in the works for four years.

Your comment about the marketing of "Elizabeth" is much more valid.
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Re: Movie wars for our hearts and minds

Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:25 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
> 'Bee Movie' is coming from CIA For Kids! Disney to assuage concern over bee Hive Collapse Syndrome that amped global warming angst this past year.


Jerry Seinfeld wrote it. I don't know why - for his kids maybe?

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:>'Elizabeth: The Golden Age' is coming withe poster motto being
"Woman- Warrior - Queen" to hype warrior culture for recruiting.


This one, yes. The Elizabethan court has an understandably powerfully moving history - full of drama and passion; I like a Spanish Armada story as much as the next guy, but...

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Postby FourthBase » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:47 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote it. I don't know why - for his kids maybe?


Not that I agree with Hugh's particular theory about "Bee Movie"...
But the fact that Seinfeld wrote it doesn't make things all better.
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Re: Let it Bee.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:56 pm

Guess DePalma doesn't realize he got where he is by dishing up violence de-sensitization civilian training films for CIA-Pentagon-Hollywood. "Giveth....taketh away."

I will now address 'Bee Movie.'

Summaryregarding 'Bee Movie' :

> Bees have been politicized since the 1970s.
> Bees have been linked to human extinction since 1994.
> Global warming angst has been hot for the PTB since the 1990s.
> Bee Colony Collapse Disorder has been hot since 2001.
> Spielberg is CIA Hollywood.
> Spielberg is really behind 'Bee Story.'
> John Belushi is also CIA scandal story that the keyword 'bee' evokes.
> ONI Bob Woodward smeared Belushi to cover for CIA drug smuggling.
> All CIA liability lore is getting rinsed and recolored for today's youth.

Jeff wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Go look at your mega-cina-plex movie dispensary for coming attractions and see that:

> 'Bee Movie' is coming from CIA For Kids! Disney to assuage concern over bee Hive Collapse Syndrome that amped global warming angst this past year.


Hugh, do you realize how long it takes animated features to get made? "Bee Movie" has been in the works for four years.

Your comment about the marketing of "Elizabeth" is much more valid.


'Bee Movie' is really a Steven Spielberg movie. He used Seinfeld.

So Jerry Seinfeld making a joke to Steven Spielberg in 2003 which Spielberg than ran with and strung along Seinfeld as the viral marketing in no way changes my hypothesis that this film is distributed now to assuage global warming angst in kids due to recent stories about 'Colony Collapse Disorder' (CCD), to get that syndrome's name right.

Quite the opposite. Spielberg is to CIA-Hollywood what Bob Woodward is to Operation Mockingbird. And Woodward has an angle here, too, as I will show.

From Jeff's link to CIA-TIME-CNN article--
But in the next few months, Seinfeld will be making a brief yet very noticeable return to mass media, a comeback that began four years ago when he had dinner with director Steven Spielberg, a partner in DreamWorks SKG and a neighbor of Seinfeld's in New York's tony Hamptons. The star casually mentioned an idea for an animated movie to Spielberg. "A movie about bees," Seinfeld says he told the director, "called Bee Movie." (As in B movie, get it?) Spielberg then alerted his colleague Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO of DreamWorks Animation.
.....
When he mentioned the idea for Bee Movie to Spielberg in 2003, "I was just trying to make witty conversation," says Seinfeld. "It was never my intention to make the movie." He said yes, however, when DreamWorks Animation offered him complete control, and he thought it sounded fun to get together some former Seinfeld writers to work with him on the script. "We had a blast," he says. Plus, computer animation "just felt so different. What if I can be funny this way? I just kind of got sucked in."


Spielberg = perp.
Seinfeld = patsy.

1) Global warming has been known of and disinfo'ed since the 1990s atleast.

2) CCD had occurred before, notably in 2001, 2004, and 2007 according to this UPenn research article. It's an 8-page pdf. See page 2--

[url]http://www.beeculture.com/content/ColonyCollapseDisorderPDFs/7%20Colony%20Collapse%20Disorder
%20Have%20We%20Seen%20This%20Before%20-%20Robyn%20M.%20Underwood%20and%20Dennis
%20vanEngelsdorp.pdf[/url]

3) The false but well-known attribution to Albert Einstein of a quote that goes 'If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would have only four years of life left"
goes back to a 1994 situation in Europe that Associated Press reported on.
Snopes.com is a gatekeeping site but I'll take their citation for this--
Ames, Paul. "Life's Not So Sweet for Europe's Embattled Beekeepers."
Associated Press. 24 January 1994.


And this bee topic made the front page of the CIA-Washington Post in 2002--
Higgins, Adrian. "Honeybees in a Mite More Than Trouble."
The Washington Post. 14 May 2002 (p. A1).


4) Bees were a keyword political device since the 1970s when so-called "Africanized killer-bees" were used for subliminal fear-mongering in the US.
Michael Moore spotlighted this bee keyword's racial framing as one of many examples of the fearful American mentality in his 2002 movie 'Bowling for Columbine.'

5) Keywords: "Comedian" + "bees" = ....perhaps the near-iconic pop culture image of old of the original Saturday Night Live 'killer bees' skit that Emmy award-winner John Belushi detested doing? This skit started in 1976 to satirize the 'invading Africanized killer-bee' stories of the day. Somehow we survived them. whew.

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One of the famous CIA murders in anti-cryptocracy lore now is John Belushi.

So in terms of hijacking and redirection of associations for today's youth, there are even possible thematic ties to lead Operation Mockingbird Bob Woodward's covering for CIA cocaine smuggling and IranContra by taking a break from political books to write a 1984 disinfo book on the death of Saturday Night Live and movie star, John Belushi in 'Wired: The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi.'

Sustaining the public's association of drugs and vice with Hollywood actors, the inheritors of the identity of 'The Evil Hippie' culture war stereotype, is a perfect redirection of moral outrage away from the CIA (Cocaine Importation Agency) and sustains the cover-up of the CIA's murder of Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and other Woodstock generation artists meant to take apart the anti-war movement of the 1960s and 1970s.

Woodward's sensationalist smear book portrays the set of SNL as an orgy of illegal drugs and even tips his hand by duplicating mention of drugs in captions of the 26 photos--
#14 - "Candice Bergen and Belushi play Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman in a parody of the film classic, 'Casablanca.' This was the third time Bergen hosted the show and she vowed it would be her last because the vitality and freshness of the acting had been ruined, she felt, by drugs.
.....
#26 - With actress, Candice Bergen on 'Saturday Night Live.' Bergen vowed to never appear on the show again because it had changed so, mainly because of the drugs.


All Office of Naval Intelligence officer Bob Woodward's other books are about W.DC political people. So his Belushi book sticks out like a sore thumb.

Alex Constantine, to get back to movies, thinks perhaps Belushi intended to make more
subversive films than '1941' including one about an FBI drug smuggler and this made him too dangerous to live and thus mulched into a discrediting and diversion myth.

Note that the original cast of Saturday Night Live who made movies all got funneled into movies about the military or cops. I could go into each one but just mentioning '1941' and 'Stripes' makes the point. Ok, add the two movies Chevy Chase made that were IranContra decoy movies, 'Fletch' and 'Deal of the Century.' I've written in detail on these movies but will leave this at the point that anyone who gets guaranteed youth eyeball gets funneled into psy-ops movies.

Alex Constantine has an excerpt on what looks like the Operation CHAOS-type murder of John Belushi at his website in his promotion of the Mae Brussel article collection he edited and is selling--

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2007/10/fascism-in-america-essential-mae_20.html
Saturday, October 20, 2007
FASCISM IN AMERICA: THE ESSENTIAL MAE BRUSSELL, Edited by Alex Constantine, on CD - Available Only from this Site

Announcing the very first collection of Mae Brussell essays, radio transcripts, speeches, interviews, memorablia, etc., edited by Alex Constantine, available in a searchable, e-book format on CD. (A chapter from the book is appended below.)
.....
Chapter Fifteen: The Murder of John Belushi
.....
I didn't know John Belushi, but he was very successful, just as many rock musicians died at the peak of their success, at the crest when they were about to do better things. This death follows the same pattern.
.....
He was about to make, with partners, two very important and highly political movies. One was to be called Blue Moon Over Miami, and it was to be directed by Louis Malle, the fellow who directed Atlantic City, nominated for an Academy Award – and also My Dinner with André; it's been suggested this was the best picture of the year. Malle is a serious director. The script was written by highly-successful and well-known writer, John Guare.

So one of the movies that Belushi was about to make was a comedy about the FBI and drug smuggling from Colombia to Miami. And he would play the role of the drug dealer, an informer for the FBI, and then the FBI agent becomes the drug dealer. That is, you must admit, a very controversial movie because the state of Florida depends upon the drug market. It is probably the biggest going industry in Florida, and also the United States.

And these people don't appreciate comedy.

And the network of assassination teams and drug dealers selling poison drugs comes from headquarters in Hollywood and Miami.

Belushi was also in Hollywood to make a movie called Noble Rot, and he was to be with his good friend Don Novello, Father Sarducci. Now, Father Sarducci and John Belushi were making a movie about the wineries in California, dominated by the mob. They are trying to establish social acceptance, and this was to be a comedy about the Italian Mafia. Noble Rot, you can imagine what that is by the title alone.

So if you think that Belushi was not overly-political, forget it. In the past, he made fun of the Establishment. And to make fun of the Establishment is lethal.


And so much more.

Summaryregarding 'Bee Movie' :

> Bees have been politicized since the 1970s.
> Bees have been linked to human extinction since 1994.
> Global warming angst has been hot for the PTB since the 1990s
> Colony Collapse Disorder has been hot since 2001.
> Spielberg is CIA Hollywood.
> Spielberg is really behind 'Bee Story.'
> Belushi is a CIA scandal story that the keyword 'bee' evokes.
> ONI Bob Woodward smeared Belushi to cover for CIA drug smuggling.
> All CIA liability lore is getting rinsed and recolored for today's youth.
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Postby Doodad » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:18 pm

And they just found a bunch of beehives in Israel from the 10th century BCE. Proof that Jews are behind all of it since way back when and it has something to do with B's. Baal, Beelzebub, who knows?

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Beelzebub. Honey. Semantic Differential.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:49 pm

Doodad wrote:.....Beelzebub....

:wink:


"Beelzebub," good one Doodad.

Suprised you missed, 'Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.' :P

Taking my own set-up, a psy-ops device is creating tension in the viewer that can be channeled into the operator's offered catharsis.

That's what's behind the human minituarization movies, making the viewer seek relief in restoration of power, very basic social engineering by the National inSecurity State.

This drive for power is intentionally linked to evolutionary instincts for survival in language using what researcher Charles Osgood called 'semantic differential.'

This concept is what is behind lots of CIA-Hollywood's output.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_differential
Osgood performed a factor analysis of large collections of semantic differential scales and found three recurring attitudes that people use to evaluate words and phrases: evaluation, potency, and activity.

Evaluation loads highest on the adjective pair 'good-bad'.
The 'strong-weak' adjective pair defines the potency factor.
Adjective pair 'active-passive' defines the activity factor.


These three dimensions of affective meaning were found to be cross-cultural universals in a study of dozens of cultures.

This factorial structure makes intuitive sense. When our ancestors encountered a person, the initial perception had to be whether that person represents a danger. Is the person good or bad? Next, is the person strong or weak? Our reactions to a person markedly differ if perceived as good and strong, good and weak, bad and weak, or bad and strong. Subsequently, we might extend our initial classification to include cases of persons who actively threaten us or represent only a potential, danger, and so on. The evaluation, potency and activity factors thus encompass a detailed descriptive system of personality. Osgood's semantic differential measures these three factors. It contains sets of adjective pairs such as warm-cold, bright-dark, beautiful-ugly, sweet-bitter, fair-unfair, brave-cowardly, meaningful-meaningless.

Semantic differentials can be used to describe not only persons, but also the connotative meaning of abstract concepts—a capacity used extensively in affect control theory.
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Re: Beelzebub. Honey. Semantic Differential.

Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
That's what's behind the human minituarization movies, making the viewer seek relief in restoration of power, very basic social engineering by the National inSecurity State.



I always thought it was cool to see everyday objects in gigantic proportions.
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Postby orz » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:37 am

Oh Hugh, is there any interesting and important topic you can't totally derail?

Enrol on a postmodernist film theory course already and give us a break!
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Postby professorpan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:47 am

Thank you, orz.

This is actually a very well-documented, in-your-face hijacking of a film's content by corporatists/elitists -- ripe for contrast with the usual word-salad ravings of the manatee.

DePalma also produced the brashly anti-fascist "Starship Troopers." He's on our side. But in the HMW school, he is one of THEM, because artists who actually get their ideas on film are, by association, corrupted.

Take orz's advice, Hugh, and enroll in some media classes and read a few books other than those dreary '50s propaganda manuals. You might learn something about how the world really works :-)
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Postby orz » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:11 pm

DePalma also produced the brashly anti-fascist "Starship Troopers." He's on our side. But in the HMW school, he is one of THEM, because artists who actually get their ideas on film are, by association, corrupted.

Yeah. Hugh's "theories" rely on the fallacy that just because some films have had CIA involvement over the years, ANYTHING in hollywood, down to the tiniest detail, can be said to be controlled by the CIA. If he had to actually make sense, learn about cinema etc, he'd have to actually THINK. And he'd have to admit his monomania.

The thing is, anyone who said that every single aspect of hollywood ever, down to every line of every script and every shot of every film, was controlled by the CIA would be written off as a total nut. And of course Hugh would claim this was a total mischaracterisation of his theories. Yet as i've pointed out time and time again, he has no apparent mechanism to determine what details of what films are or are not controlled by the CIA. Or rather, his mechanism is that the things he says are, are.

But the thing is, everything else is just stuff he hasn't yet got round to saying is controlled by the CIA. There's no other criteria.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:17 pm

Yeah, there needs to be a mechanism or method so that the KH style analyses can be duplicated by other observers.
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Television and the Hive Mind

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Television and the Hive Mind
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