The OTO & The CIA -- Ordis Templis Intelligentis

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The OTO & The CIA -- Ordis Templis Intelligentis

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:40 am

THE OTO & THE CIA -- ORDIS TEMPLIS INTELLIGENTIS

by Alex Constantine

Flying saucer mythology took hold in a big way in the 1950s, wrapped in gaudy pulp covers and flashed on movie screens. Jack Parsons, the CalTech rocket pioneer and high priest of the OTO's Agape Lodge in Pasadena - and one of the first Americans to report a UFO sighting - was addicted to science fiction. He regularly attended meetings of the L.A. Fantasy and Science Fiction Society, where in 1945 the black adept (he took "the Oath of the Anti-Christ" in 1949) met Lt. Commander L. Ron Hubbard, who made "alien" visitations an integral part of a religious doctrine he called Scientology.

The OTO was founded between 1895 and 1900 by a pair of powerful Freemasons, Karl Kellner and Theodor Reuss. Politically, the order was right-wing in the extreme, proposing the creation of a pan-German world based on pagan spiritual beliefs. Kellner died in 1905, and Reuss, a former spy for the Prussian Secret Service, assumed the office of high caliph. While living in London, Reuss spied on German socialist expatriates. In 1912 he made the acquaintance of Aleister Crowley, and appointed him head of the OTO's British chapter. But The Beast's political loyalties have always been an open question.

While living in the States, he wrote pro-German diatribes for two fascist publications, The Fatherland and The Internationalist. After WW II, there were calls for his head. But Crowley offered that his pro-German stance was a ruse of MI6, the military intelligence division in the UK.

In 1912 he had informed the secret service of his correspondence with Reuss, the German spy. Throughout the '20s and '30s, Crowley gathered intelligence on European Communists, the Nazi movement and Germany's occult lodges. Crowley died in 1944, willing the copyright for his books and unpublished manuscripts to the OTO, and leadership of the order to Karl Germer, otherwise known as Frater Saturnus X., formerly Crowley's Legate in the U.S. Germer was born in Germany, served in WW I and was reportedly tossed in the prison by the Nazis for his involvement in Freemasonry. (Crowley believed Germer to be a Nazi spy, but admitted him to the OTO anyway. Typical.)

He settled after the war in Dublin, California and died on October 25, 1962 "under horrifying circumstances," according to his wife in a letter to Marcelo Motta, an OTO official in Brazil. She informed him that Germer, on his death bed, had insisted that Motta succeed him as the Outer Head of the occult order. But the mantle was not passed on to Karl Germer's chosen successor because the CIA orchestrated a coup. But not as an OTO spokesman tells it: "Recently the United States government has legalized our opinion.... [McMurty's] leadership of the Ordo Templi Orientis rests on several rather clear letters of authorization from Crowley himself. They met while McMurty was a young First Lieutenant during World War II. He had been admitted to the OTO in 1941 [by] Jack Parsons."

In fact, the choice of McMurty was not entirely "clear." Motta's advocates insist the court decision was based on the perjured testimony of McMurty and attorneys with CIA paymasters. The cult's position on a successor is moot since, according to charters signed on March 22, 1946 and April 11, 1946, The Beast of the Apocalypse had left it to Germer to veto or amend his designation of a successor. As Motta saw it, no one had a legitimate claim to the title but he. Unfortunately, Herr Germer died during the period the CIA had chosen to move mind control experimentation from academic and military labs into the community. An inner circle of Heironymous scientists experimented on cult devotees, and sometimes collaborated in mass murder to silence the subjects (Jonestown, SLA, Solar Temple). It was a sweet arrangement. Occult societies are secretive and often highly irrational. They follow a leader. They exist on the edge of a society that ignores them because weird religious rhetoric is obnoxious.

A number of intelligence agents with occult interests already had their hooks into the OTO. One of them was Gerald Yorke, a veteran British intelligence agent working, an advocate of Motta argues, "with American intelligence in an attempt to absorb the OTO into the ideological warfare network of the political right." Before the horns of Thelemite succession were bestowed upon Grady McMurty, Yorke the prelate spy "misinterpreted" Germer's will and named Joseph Metzger, a ranking Thelemite (and the son of a former Swiss intelligence chief), to the office of high caliph. One order adept, Oskar Schlag, was an alleged "psychological warfare" specialist from Israel. Even McMurty (with his degree in political science) was a State Department bureaucrat the day Herr Germer died. The coup was sealed while Marcelo Motta, a writer for Brazilian television, fended off operatives of the CIA bent on destroying his sanity and leaving him financially crippled. It was a ritual that subjects of mind control conditioning would come to know well. Strangers approached his friends and filled their ears with lurid stories of debauchery. He was suddenly unable to find work. His mail was opened. Motta took a job teaching English, studied self-defense. "He had begun to doubt his sanity," the advocate says. "He constantly suspected people who approached him. He saw in himself all the clinical symptoms of paranoia."

After a few years of harassment and squabbling over the leadership of the OTO, Motta came to the realization that the McMurty junta and "the American 'intelligence' network behind them had a worry, and a pressing one; Motta's proposed 'New Manifesto' [did] not mention ... Grady at all. Since their purpose was to create an American 'intelligence' tool at the expense of a religious organization, it was necessary to either bring Motta to concede Grady further authority or to discredit Motta completely." They did what they wilt. In 1967 Germer's entire occult library and manuscripts were stolen from the home of his widow. Without the royalties these brought in, Mrs. Germer was destitute and literally starved to death. Motta was cast out of the OTO. Trouble brewed in the cult's cauldron. At least one Cotton Club killer passed through. The OTO's Solar Lodge in San Bernardino was founded by Maury McCauley, a mortician, on his own property. McCauley was married to Barbara Newman, a former model and the daughter of a retired Air Force colonel from Vandenberg. The group subscribed to a grim, apocalyptic view of the world precipitated by race wars, and the prophecy made a lasting impression on Charles Manson, who passed through the lodge. In the L.A. underworld, the OTO spin-off was known for indulgence in sadomasochism, drug dealing, blood drinking, child molestation and murder. The Riverside OTO, like the Manson Family, used drugs, sex, psycho-drama and fear to tear down the mind of the initiate and rebuild it according to the desires of the cult's inner-circle.

On the East Coast, a series of murders created an atmosphere of fear in New York City. Before the world had ever heard of Son of Sam, an obscure Vietnam vet named David Berkowitz moved into an apartment on Pine Street, a rotting gantlet of hovels in Yonkers. Like much of the bloodshed for which he is known, Berkowitz did not make the decision to live on Pine Street. Key decisions in his life were made by the leaders of a religious group based in Westchester, a hybrid of OTO members and acolytes from the Process Church of the Final Judgment. Members of the cult mingled with others in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and had contact with similar groups across the country. The leader of the Westchester "family" was a real estate attorney with a practice in White Plains. He was active in local politics. Balding, lean with years, he directed Berkowitz and his "brothers" to kill in the name of an old cause. The group's meeting place was an abandoned church, a decrepit hulk on the grounds of the abandoned Warburg-Rothschild estate. The church, partially eaten by fire, was the group's "eastern Headquarters." Most of the pews had been removed from the church long ago. On one wall was hung a large silver pentagram, festooned with silver insets in the shape of Waffen SS lightning bolts.

http://www1.autistici.org/amprodias/txt ... otocia.htm

www.american-buddha.com/theotoandthecia.htm
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Postby IanEye » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:54 pm

The group's meeting place was an abandoned church, a decrepit hulk on the grounds of the abandoned Warburg-Rothschild estate. The church, partially eaten by fire, was the group's "eastern Headquarters." Most of the pews had been removed from the church long ago.


does anybody know how I can look for old pics of this estate?
I always get a "meanwhile just outside of Gotham City, at stately Wayne Manor" vibe when I hear this place referenced. And talk about a Dynamic Duo, Warburg/Rothschild.

I have the Niall Ferguson books about the Rothchilds' and I know he is working on a book about the Warburg family. But Ferguson seems a little "gatekeeperish" to me at times.

again, any pointers to pics would be cool, thanks.
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Postby American Dream » Wed May 06, 2009 7:31 pm

Bump.
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Postby smiths » Wed May 06, 2009 8:47 pm

i am right off niall ferguson,

i saw his documentary series on the twentieth century and it was all about race,
humans from different races really just want to get rid of minority races and that expalined the twentieth century,

nothing about class, vested interests, manipulative elites,

i would be very wary of anything that stooge says
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby American Dream » Thu May 07, 2009 8:01 am

IanEye wrote:
The group's meeting place was an abandoned church, a decrepit hulk on the grounds of the abandoned Warburg-Rothschild estate. The church, partially eaten by fire, was the group's "eastern Headquarters." Most of the pews had been removed from the church long ago
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does anybody know how I can look for old pics of this estate?


As I understand it, Maury Terry, author of The Ultimate Evil said that these particular rituals occurred in what is now called Untermeyer Park. Some pics are available here:
http://www.pellegrinlowend.com/untermyer.html

Allegedly, cult rituals may have happened in other places near to Yonkers and the Bronx as well, including Van Cortlandt Park, the Split Rock Golf Course, and Orchard Beach Park...
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Postby American Dream » Fri May 08, 2009 7:48 pm

The Process Church, which set up shop in San Francisco, was itself an offshoot of the Church of Scientology, which was the brainchild of L. Ron Hubbard - an agent of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the son of a U.S. Navy Commander. Before being inspired to create his own church, Hubbard was a close associate and follower of Jack Parsons, rocket fuel scientist and avid follower of the occult, who helped found the prestigious Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Parsons was at the time the head of the American chapter of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis), a title bestowed on him by mentor Aleister Crowley, a flamboyant occultist, British and American intelligence asset, and avid Nazi sympathizer and propagandist both before and during World War II.

Crowley had assumed the leadership of the OTO in 1922 when founder Theodor Reuss - a German occultist and intelligence asset - had stepped down. The OTO then - along with the various organizations spawned from it - is in a direct line of descent from the German occult-based secret societies that gave rise to the Third Reich, a fact made evident by the ideology and symbolism of the Process Church, whose logo is a modified swastika.

Back in the Bay area, Anton Szandor LaVey and Crowley-enthusiast Kenneth Anger would set about busily organizing the Church of Satan in San Francisco, where LaVey would become something of a celebrity - the clown prince of Satanism. From this church would spring forth both the Temple of Set - led by U.S. intelligence asset and psychological warfare specialist Lt. Col. Michael Aquino - and the Werewolf Order, founded by LaVey's daughter Zeena and Manson-admirer Nikolas Schreck.

Both of these off-shoots embraced an unabashedly fascist ideology. The Werewolf Order was patterned directly after the Nazi-front Werewolf Corps created in post-war Germany to thwart any attempts at denazification. Zeena LaVey and Nikolas Schreck are also notable for holding a public gathering on August 8, 1988 to celebrate the anniversary of the slaughter of Sharon Tate by the Manson Family.


From: [url=www.whale.to/b/henry.html]There's Something About Henry
by David McGowan[/url]
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Postby American Dream » Sat May 09, 2009 3:47 pm

http://xdell.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html

The Devil’s in the Slide: The Dark Side of Anti-Darkness

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During the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries, many occultists held beliefs that virtually all of us nowadays would readily see as racist. The matriarch of Theosophy, Helena Blavatsky, believed in the existence of “root races” corresponding with the development of mankind. During her time, she believed that the Aryans were the most sophisticated root race. People of color were holdovers, of a sort, from the previous root races, half-animals who by nature were not capable of rational or sophisticated understanding: In a book titled The Secret Doctrine, she wrote:

The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The 'sacred spark' is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily -- owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction -- fast dying out. Verily mankind is 'of one blood,' but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent.

Currently, present day Blavatsky apologists furiously apply lipstick to these pig notions, yet only succeed in making them uglier. In a 2007 essay titled “Some Considerations Concerning Blavatsky and Nazism,” for example, Katinka Hesselink tries to stress that Blavatsky believed that each race “has its place,” and that each race contributes to “evolution as a whole.” While the “each race has its place” creed lay behind Jim Crow, Apartheid, the Holocaust and other injustices of history in and of itself, Hesselink still clings to the notion that some races are simply more advanced—not that there’s anything wrong with that:

From an ethical standpoint this already makes clear that each person, whatever their race, has its place in the divine order of things. In a school one cannot say that a first grader is bad and a second grader is good or better. Both are learning, but one is learning other things then the other. Neither is yet an adult, but the second grader is a bit closer to adulthood then the first grader.

Jack Parsons' mentor Aleister Crowley held similar archaic notions of racial superiority. In a chapter of his book Magick without Tears titled “’Monsters,’ Niggers, Jews, etc.,” Crowley explains how the “extreme individualism” that he champions applies to those of allegedly subpar stock.

And I don't see how to get out of swallowing this last sly bait; as you say, “Every man and every woman is a star.” [Does] need some attention to the definition of “man” and “woman.” What is the position, you say, of “monsters”? And men of vinferior races” [recte: “inferior races,”] like the Veddah, Hottentot and the Australian Blackfellow? There must be a line somewhere, and will I please draw it? You make me feel like Giotto!

Crowley’s reference to “inferior races” should put the question of his racism in a more understandable context. Although Crowley contends that even the vilest monster (“real…or imaginary like Jews and niggers”) has redeeming traits, and merits an understanding as an autonomous entity, he often refuses to recognize the individuality of non-whites (and some whites), and characterizes them with the grossest stereotypes, a trait that he manifests in many of his other writings. For example:

There was a Norwegian missionary named Amundsen, even more colourless and doleful than brainless Scandinavians usually are. The doctor was a Bengali named Ram Lal Sircar, a burly nigger of the most loathsome type. I am not fond of Benaglis at the best and he as the worst specimen of his race I have ever seen. He was fat and oily, with small piglike treacherous eyes. On the rare occasions when he was not eating, he was writing anti-British articles for the Bengal native press.

Or:

In Colombo this world problem solves itself; for the Indian toils, without ambition or object, from sheer habit; the European bosses things, with selfimportance and brafado [sic]; the Australian lumbers in and out, loutishly, hoping not to be seen; and China, silent and absent, conveys majestically patriarchal reproof by simply ignoring the impertinence. Slightly as I had brushed against the yellow silken robes of China in the press of jostling cultures, its virtue had so entered into me that the positive and aggressive aspects of Colombo, tumultuously troubling through they were, failed to command my full attention. As you vainly ply an opium smoker who craves his pipe with wine, with woman and with song, so the insolent insistence of the actualities of Colombo merely annoyed me; I was intensely aware of one thing only, the absence of the clossal [sic] calm and common sense of China.

Succeeding generations of the Ordo Templis Orientis carried with them a true belief in white supremacy as an essential component of dogma. The Braytons' Solar Lodge of the OTO was no exception. In fact, their brand of racism seemed quite extreme, especially for the 1960s. In his 1972 book The Family, Ed Sanders (formerly of the Fugs) gave an example of how the Solar Lodge instilled this type of virulent bigotry at an early age in a chilling anecdote about Anthony Gibbons, the six-year old boy chained and tortured by his mother and other cultists:

After the arrests, the lad was sent to a foster home where he was cared for by a black lady. The boy requested a sword from her so that he might perform a magic ritual called ‘The Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram.’

The woman remained nearby as if to observe the ceremony but Anthony announced that ‘we don't let niggers watch.’


The Solar Lodge conducted rituals in which they tried to telepathically send hate vibes to Watts and other ghettos in order to incite further rioting. One of their biggest fantasies, however, involved a massive black uprising across the USA, a cataclysmic race war that would supposedly justify the extermination of all African Americans.

Los Angeles. August 1969. Cults. Cataclysmic race war. Do these things sound familiar?
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Postby OP ED » Sat May 09, 2009 5:22 pm

"the Solar Lodge of the O.T.O" is no such thing, btw.
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Postby American Dream » Sat May 09, 2009 6:04 pm

Here is something regarding the history behind the Solar Lodge:

The Devil’s in the Slide: Dr. Aleister’s Agape

http://xdell.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html

After the previous post, you might be wondering what the hell kind of cult the Solar Lodge of the OTO might have been. Perhaps you might think, “Well, it’s the ‘60s, and everyone was into a lot of weird stuff back then. Then too, you’re talking about California, right?”

The roots of the Solar Lodge actually begin centuries before the 1960s. But for the purposes of this story, we need only go back as far as 1942, the year that famed mystic Aleister Crowley, then the international chief of the Ordo Templis Orientis, appointed a guy named Jack Parsons to head the Agape Lodge in California.

Parsons wasn’t your everyday mystic. A respected scientist doing research out of the California Institute of Technology, he co-founded NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratories. If you check out NASA’s official website, and do a search of his name, you’ll find pages of documents devoted to him, as well it should. After all, Wernher von Braun cited him as the true father of the American space program. While NASA briefly acknowledges Parsons’ role in the occult, they tend to downplay the importance of it in his life.

Parsons’ work in esoterica would prove every bit as influential as his scientific research. Like his mentor Crowley, Parsons could very well be taken for a Satanist, especially when quoted contrary to context. In his 1949 “The Manifesto of the Antichrist,” for example, he wrote:

I shall bring all men to the Law of the BEAST 666, and in His Law I shall conquer the world. And within seven years of this time, BABALON, THE SCARLET WOMAN HILARION will manifest among ye, and bring this my work to its fruition. An end to conscription, compulsion, regimentation, and the tyranny of false laws.

"Manifesto" itself was not so much a pledge to serve the devil so much as it is an indictment against the hypocrisy of the Christian church. In other words, Parsons is charging Christian belief with the crime of imperialism at the expense of personal liberty, and of forcing enslavement to all of those not powerful enough within society to resist. So, as he figured it, if he had to be the Antichrist to correct the evils of the church, he would. In other writings, he listed those evils as class brutality, war, racism and the condemnation of sexuality.

As controversial or provocative as you might find Parsons and his beliefs, some of his cohorts seemed even more questionable. Wilfred Smith, the former leader of the Agape Lodge, for example, ran off Jack’s first wife, Helen. Crowley wound up firing Smith to install Parsons.

Parsons then teamed up with another esoteric, Lafayette Ron Hubbard, who joined the lodge in 1945. Crowley, however, didn’t trust L. Ron one bit. Hubbard’s checkered career as a naval intelligence officer led Aleister to regard him as unscrupulous. Nevertheless, Jack teamed up with Hubbard and someone else involved with naval intelligence, future Mrs. Parsons Marjorie Cameron, to perform a grand piece of sex magick known as the Babalon Working (BW). Drawn from the Enochian system of Elizabethan mystics Dr. John Dee and Sir Edward Kelly, the BW required the participants to invoke the spirit of Hilarion in order for her to enter into the body of a nubile young woman (Cameron). Parsons would subsequently (so to speak) screw the hell out of her, while Hubbard took notes. The point was to conceive a moonchild. As Crowley explained:

The Aeon of Horus is of the nature of a child. To perceive this, we must conceive of the nature of a child without the veil of sentimentality - beyond good and evil, perfectly gentle, perfectly ruthless, containing all possibilities within the limits of heredity, and highly susceptible to training and environment. But the nature of Horus is also the nature of force - blind, terrible, unlimited force.

By 1949, two years after Crowley’s death, the Agape Lodge stopped holding regular meetings and began to splinter. Whatever tricks he had in store to bolster enthusiasm, Parsons magick came to a screeching halt in the summer of 1952, when he blew himself up in his own laboratory. After Parson’s death, leadership of the Agape Lodge fell into the hands of Ray and Mildred Burlingame. Yet the exact relation of that, and other estranged lodges to the OTO, didn’t seem very clear. In 1946, Crowley had apparently given authority to Grady McMurtry to take over all of the lodges in case of an emergency. This didn’t take any power away from the Burlingames, however, and sometime in the 1950s, Mildred, on her own authority, initiated one Georgina Brayton into the ranks of the OTO.

Marjorie would later gain her own bit of renown as an artist and an actress, making her screen debut in the 1954 movie Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome, a flick directed by Kenneth Anger. Anger himself belonged, at the time, to the Order of the Trapezoid, a group founded in 1950 by Anton LaVey that eventually evolved into the Church of Satan. L. Ron Hubbard, as you most likely know, went on to found the Church of Scientology.

I wonder if Parsons, Cameron, Hubbard or the Burlingames could have imagined that a little boy named Anthony Gibbons would someday be caged and tortured in the name of their legacy. I wonder if they could see the connection that would eventually link their Solar Lodge with the Church of Satan, Scientology and certain events occurring during the summer of 1969.

Researchers would also connect another group, fairly or unfairly, to the story, and their presence in here should give everyone sufficient pause to think that there’s more to this familiar narrative than meets the eye.
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Postby American Dream » Sat May 09, 2009 6:17 pm

And here is the article just previous:

The Devil’s in the Slide

http://xdell.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html

[Photo given in original]
The above FBI report, dated 15 August 1969, documents the filing of fugitive warrants issued by US Commissioner John Morgan for Robert Duerrstein, Edson Dunlap, James Gibbons, and Robert and Georgina (called ‘Jean’ by friends-left) Brayton. The information it contains pretty much explains why these six were arrested in the first place.

The Braytons, leaders of a sect called the Solar Lodge of the Ordo Templis Orientis (Order of the Eastern Temple, or OTO for short), determined that then six-year-old Anthony Saul Gibbons started a fire that burned down one of the Quonset huts of their Blythe, CA compound, and killed two of the group’s goats on 20 May 1969.

Whether or not young Gibbons set the fire is anyone’s guess. Nevertheless, we know for certain that he took the rap, and faced a severe punishment. His mother, Beverly Gibbons, recommended that the group put him to death. Georgina Brayton, however, insisted that such wouldn’t be necessary. They wouldn’t have to execute the child. They’d just have to torture him a little.

Actually, they tortured him a lot. At or around May 23, the ordeal began with Brayton burning the child’s hands with lit matches. They forced him to dig (with his burned hands) a grave for the two goats. The group then forcibly restrained Gibbons for a few days in one of the other Quonset huts before further confining him to a wooden shipping crate with approximately thirty-six square feet of space. There, they bound him with heavy chains, which were just long enough for him to escape the fires they set in his presence after dosing him with LSD.

On July 26, a couple came up to the compound to inspect some horses the Solar Lodge had for sale, and noticed the child sitting on a mattress in the tiny makeshift cell. They also saw a large can filled with the boy’s body waste, a dirty jug partially filled with water, a “plate encrusted with food,” and a filthy washtub. Located near the Arizona border, Blythe had experienced twelve days where the temperature shot past 110 degrees Fahrenheit that summer. So naturally, the place had a stench that would offend Pepe LePew.

The prospective horse-buyers immediately contacted the Riverside Sheriff’s office, which after investigating the matter arrested the six named above, Gibbons’ mom, and ten others on charges of child abuse. All of those arrested posted $25,000 bond—a princely sum in 1969. Bail or no, six of them left, presumably to Mexico and parts south. While incarcerated, OTO arrestee Judith (or Julie—both names are mentioned in the report) Oster said, in front of other inmates, that the Braytons were not safe in the US.

Figure 1. Newspaper coverage of Anthony Gibbons’ court appearance
[Newspaper cover reproduced in original]

As you can see from Figure 1, the plight of Anthony Gibbons made it to local papers as the Boy-in-the-Box Case. As sensational as this story was, however, it didn’t get a whole lot of national attention. One could perhaps say that it had the lousy luck of getting upstaged by an even more sensational series of events occurring at about the same time.

One public official would later find a connection between both stories. Conspiracy researchers have been examining that connection more deeply ever since.
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Postby lightningBugout » Sat May 09, 2009 6:34 pm

Great topic AD.

While the Solar Lodge may well have been a bastardization, I'm weary of anyone who sets up Parsons (or Crowley for that matter) as a less dark figure whose work was simply bastardized by later followers.

Parsons had a dark side that was not above incest and bestiality. After he died, an 8mm film was discovered in his belongings that depicted him having sex with his own mother and both having sex with a dog.
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Postby American Dream » Sat May 09, 2009 6:54 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
AD, what other group, do you know?

Not positive, but I have a guess ...

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Postby nathan28 » Sun May 10, 2009 12:39 am

lightningBugout wrote:Parsons had a dark side that was not above incest and bestiality. After he died, an 8mm film was discovered in his belongings that depicted him having sex with his own mother and both having sex with a dog.


!!!

What is the source on that?

I tend to think that Crowley was a pretty silly or juvenile figure more so than "dark".

AD, isn't the argument in Ultimate Evil that the process and the Solar Temple were cover-ups?
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Postby lightningBugout » Sun May 10, 2009 12:44 am

nathan28 wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:Parsons had a dark side that was not above incest and bestiality. After he died, an 8mm film was discovered in his belongings that depicted him having sex with his own mother and both having sex with a dog.


!!!

What is the source on that?

I tend to think that Crowley was a pretty silly or juvenile figure more so than "dark".

AD, isn't the argument in Ultimate Evil that the process and the Solar Temple were cover-ups?


Its in John Carter's book Sex and Rockets. He's referring to an "amateur rocket enthusiast" named Harold Chambers who was told this independently by two different members of the Pasadena Police criminology team.
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