Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:30 pm

kool maudit » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:14 am wrote:
Luther Blissett » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:30 am wrote:I'm going to posit that everyone in this community should be all for the abolition of the white race.



I am emphatically not. In plain English, and as understood by most people around the world, it is a descriptor of a group that contains me and my family.

The Theory stuff is esoteric and near-meaningless outside of its circles, a pin-angel, a grimoire-fragment.

If this is indeed an important divide, I am across the fence from you, and if the board decides this makes me anathema, I am happy to accept the consequence.

This thread is stupid, the idea is dishonest and tangled, and the subculture in which this thread's title is a normal thing to say will endure severe setbacks over its commitment to the bit.


We only perceive ourselves to be white.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
User avatar
Luther Blissett
 
Posts: 4990
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:31 pm
Location: Philadelphia
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby brekin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:02 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:08 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:00 pm wrote:I think of "SJW" as a term used to taunt people who are feminists, anti-racists, for queer liberation and etc. The most prolific voices on the Internet who are targeted like this are folks who could broadly be classified as liberals. It's easy enough to troll them because it's easy enough to say things to say things that sound bigoted and yet retain some degree of plausible deniability about that. This is a classic ploy of the right.


It's also easy to troll them because they see Nazis everywhere -- I know many people on both sides of our shit-show Culture War who are effectively "Self-Triggering." They'd still be outraged with zero input.
That said, I very much agree with you. "SJW" is quite a low-content epithet, and very much in the vein of "Tree-hugging Environmentalist" and "Bleeding-heart Liberal" ... and this becomes especially clear when you see the kind of people who embrace "SJW" as a self-description.
(Same with all the twitter-tards embracing "Deplorable" after they found out what it actually meant.)


Yes, and Rebel Media's draw is to capitalize on SJW-baiting and hating but Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Christine Brophy's study is applicable and informative for all types of moderates & extremists (left-right) and shows their similarities and differences. Getting hung up on labels (SJW, redneck, etc) is the first obstacle for clear thinking, those who identify others or self identify, often can't get past that step. And really that in the end may be the crucial and shared orientation that everything else swings from. The compassion to see that others, and oneself, are more than a fixed label and that battles over fixed identities may actually be one of the most inhumane acts. That people have certain traits that presupposed them to be more authoritarian or egalitarian caused mostly/primarily by their thinking shows that they can/could change their orientation to what is fair/just/"right" by examining their thinking about others.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:25 pm

brekin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:02 pm wrote:Getting hung up on labels (SJW, redneck, etc) is the first obstacle for clear thinking, those who identify others or self identify, often can't get past that step. And really that in the end may be the crucial and shared orientation that everything else swings from.



You made me think of the Redneck Revolt site, and articles like this:


OF TEA PARTIES AND PATRIOTS

ON RACE

ImageThe Liberty Movement resembles the broader Libertarian Movement in a myriad of ways. One of these ways is in racial composition. To be plain and up front, the U.S. Right is mostly comprised of white people. These giant Tea Parties, our demonstrations and meetings are seas of white faces, with small sprinklings of nonwhite faces.

Whiteness is defined in many different ways by many different people. To many, Jews are not white. Up until the mid 1900’s, white skinned people of Irish and Italian descent were not considered white. Some folks still think this way.

I identify, for the benefit of this essay, a white person as any person with pale skin pigmentation that would commonly pass as white in this society. We don’t need to break this down any further. We know whether we’re white or not.

Most whites immediately become defensive when the word race is even brought up. We don’t want to admit we think in these terms. We don’t want to admit that race has anything to do with our lives or what’s going on in this country. We’d rather pretend it doesn’t exist and not talk about it.

We can act like Ostriches all we want. It doesn’t change that our movement is nearly completely white. Let’s admit that, understand that, and move on to understanding what that means for us.


http://www.redneckrevolt.org/single-pos ... D-PATRIOTS
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:38 pm

Also:

WE STAND AGAINST WHITE SUPREMACY

ImageThe white working class has a rich history of rebellion against tyranny and oppression. The white working class also has a long history of being the footsoldiers of genocide and oppression. In the periods before widespread adoption of white supremacist ideals, the white working class openly rebelled and found common cause alongside slaves, natives, and other people being attacked and exploited. In the wake of such bonds and cross-race unity amongst the lower classes, the rich created a series of laws to favor white workers and servants at the expense of workers and servants of color. The relative privileges that white people have been afforded since that time have kept us protecting the rich while also allowing our communities to remain impoverished and unstable. The white working class will only see real political, economic, and social stability once we abolish our allegiance to white supremacy. We have a duty and an obligation as freedom loving people to stand against the reactionary ideologies of white supremacy and white nationalism that menace communities of color and keep control over white communities.
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:30 am

This speaks more to what you said, brekin:

But let’s put some of this in perspective. While Alt-right leaders like Spencer are deadly serious and irony-free, it would be absurd to suggest that there has suddenly been a mass explosion of popular and sincerely-held white separatism in the US – a fevered liberal fantasy now mockingly associated with the expression “literally Hitler”. There are many in the Pepe-meme-sharing, Alt-right online world who probably aren’t that political but like the transgression and subcultural subversiveness.

No matter how familiar you are with the Alt-right, and I’ve watched them closely for many years, “explaining” the Alt-right’ to a general audience will always make you sound like an overwhelmed grandparent trying to figure out how to work the internet, in part because of their slippery use of irony. Stylistically the Alt-right is like the music subcultures of past decades, with its hip elitism that rolls its eyes at normies who don’t understand its conventions and argot – even though they are of course designed to be opaque to outsiders so as to resist easy interpretation.

The online culture wars of recent years have become ugly beyond anything I could have ever imagined. The seemingly sociopathic levels of amoral cruelty found in comment threads wherever Pepe memes lurk suggests an unpleasant answer to the question posed long ago by Plato’s Ring of Gyges – would we behave morally if we could be invisible and thus consequence free?

New generation
And this doesn’t apply exclusively to the Alt-right. A new generation of liberal left-identitarians display chilling levels of pack pleasure when conducting career-ending, life-destroying hate campaigns against people for minor infringements against the liberal moral code such as off-colour jokes. Some examples were chronicled in Jon Ronson’s So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed. I think what has led so many young white men in the US in particular to openly flirt with the Alt-right online is a sense that one may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Why grovel when you can join an anonymous army of trolls to fight back with pure offensiveness. This is what the Alt-right offers.

But like the US socialist writer Shuja Haider recently argued: “It should go without saying that left-liberal identity politics and Alt-right white nationalism are not comparable. The problem is that they are compatible.” Tumblr needs 4chan just as neo-masculinist misogynists need a perpetual supply of listicles about man-splaining, and the Alt-right needs finger wagging “Dear white people” liberal commentary to denigrate ordinary white people at every opportunity. None of them would make sense without the other. While Spencer’s plans are unlikely to catch on any time soon, the emergence of the Alt-right should warn us of a now imminent nightmare vision of what the coming years might hold – a public arena emptied of any civility, universalist ideas or openly competing political visions beyond a zero-sum tribal antagonism of identity groups, in which the boundaries of acceptable thought will shrink further while the purged will amass in the fetid forums of the Alt-right.

-What the alt-right is really about, Angela Nagle, Irish Times, 6 January 2017
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby brekin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:36 pm

^^Yes, good article. Especially the last paragraph. I'd only quibble that (radical) left-liberal identity politics and Alt-right white nationalism while compatible, are also comparable. Granted alt right has more power recently and traditionally but anyone who has dialogued with some radical left individuals who have bought wholesale identity politics sees they want the same thing, just for different populations. Its supremacy. And neither are geared towards inclusivity, but exclusivity. One wants "Purity" and the other wants "Equality" and they want it through subtraction, not addition. Straight, white men are not human for either, they are either Angels or Demons.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:53 pm

Sounds like you are counter-posing extreme cultural nationalists and (maybe) radical feminists to white supremacists and (maybe) hardcore sexists? I'd agree that the identitarian stances have some similarities, but you really have to ignore the whole configuration of power in our world now- as well as the long and horrible history behind it- to equate them meaningfully. None of them represent the kind of social praxis that I'm looking for, personally.
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:17 pm

I have to imagine that in at least some of these conversations with leftist radicals, the desire for redistribution of power has been misinterpreted as desire for supremacy.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
User avatar
Luther Blissett
 
Posts: 4990
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:31 pm
Location: Philadelphia
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby Morty » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:05 am

Students don't want to learn anymore. They want to teach.
Michael Brendan Dougherty

January 10, 2017

The student union at the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies made headlines with their proposal to "de-colonize" their institution. In the brash headlines of the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph, it was students demanding to remove Plato and Kant "because they are white."

The English tabloids aren't wrong.

After demanding that at least the majority of the philosophers studied come from the Global South, the student manifesto says, "If white philosophers are required, then teach their work from a critical standpoint. For example, acknowledging the colonial context in which so called 'Enlightenment' philosophers wrote." School is much easier for students when they teach the professors and not vice versa.

Unfortunately, the students don't seem to know anything. There's something anachronistic and flattening about grouping all philosophers who lived on the European continent "white," a racial identity that had little or no salience to most of them while they lived, worked, and wrote. Or, at least, it didn't have the meaning it would by the end of the colonial period.

It's also reductive to define the intellectual output of an entire continent primarily by the power relations that existed for a few centuries between a handful of colonizing states. The white English philosopher Roger Scruton responded to the student union's response dismissively, asking what precisely is the colonial context for understanding Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason."

The spasms of student attempts at "decolonization" are almost always ill-conceived. Last year Yale students petitioned the English department to "decolonize" themselves, announcing that it was "unacceptable" for the Major English Poets Sequence to feature so many white male authors, like Keats, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Donne, Pope, and Milton.

There's something adorably naive about expecting the major poets of a language that was primarily spoken in one section of one island for half a millennium to be representative of all global voices. No one makes this demand of literature in other languages. We don't expect to find Welsh, Brazilian, or Caribbean voices among the major Polish language poets.

Maybe naive isn't the word. In fact it is the modern English major demanding a "diverse" set of voices in English literature that has become the caricature of the colonialist. It is the petitioning students who shout from their privileged position at the diverse world, "Speak English to me, please."

If students really want to encounter classical poetry produced by non-whites, they have options. They can study the relative handful of languages that produced significant literature before the modern period. Hebrew, Arabic, Thai, Chinese, and Urdu come to mind. These are all worthy subjects crying out for more scholarship.

But there's a catch. And it is what catches our activists out. Studying an ancient language to discover non-white voices is challenging and requires real work. You cannot pass the final exams just by repeating a number of fashionable political slogans. And perhaps activist students do not study these languages because they correctly suspect they won't find much written in these languages that qualifies as politically correct by the standards of 2017. In fact, you will find in these literatures exactly the kind of messages that activists least like to hear. Lessons like: Humble yourself and mortify your ambitions.

Perhaps it is the students themselves who should have their views "interrogated" and their discourse of power deconstructed. The activist-student is engaged in a power grab. He wishes to delegitimize the power of professors and even the school itself. That is why the activist student defines knowledge itself as a form of malicious participation in an unjust power system. And he does so because this is the only way of dignifying his own ignorance. It is also the only way that he might shame an academic institution into creating a new administrative role for his kind of sloganeering.

In a real sense, the modern student activist is a kind of shallow theologian. He learns a political catechism, he identifies a scapegoat, and he enacts a ritualized sacrifice of a victim-group, in order to redeem himself and give some dint of credibility to his priestcraft.

Schools put up with this for the money. But why do we?

http://theweek.com/articles/671961/stud ... want-teach
User avatar
Morty
 
Posts: 422
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:53 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:35 am

SOAS: Student demands for Decolonisation of Courses do not go Far Enough.

It has long struck the Tendence that such calls do not go far enough.

This statement was written in English, and more importantly, in the Latin alphabet, a legacy of Roman imperialism.

Where, one asks, is their recognition of the import of the Sumerians in addressing the Enlightenment’s problématique?

Were they not present in the Middle East?

Where is the place of cuneiform, a writing system free from Western colonialism?

Where is the recognition given to the important role of Metropolitan thought, notably astrology, in the curriculum?

We propose that SOAS immediately establish a Tablet School in sumerian cuneiform.

Who could be better to introduce the new syllabus than Middle East Expert Tariq Ali?



https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2 ... ar-enough/
Last edited by Wombaticus Rex on Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: image was huge and breaks phpbb formatting
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:31 am

“That’s just how these people are” — Racist essentialism

In every racism, assertions are made about how people as such are. 1 These assertions are not about human beings in general but about specific groups. Racism assumes that everyone belongs to some alleged group, i.e. that people are “white” or “Caucasian”, “Arabic”, “Native American”, “Gipsy” etc. This enumeration is not a real description of actual groups, as there are no races; race is a nonsense category. Neither biologically nor culturally can humanity be sorted into such groups. Hence, this classification, that is the first point here, has, in reality, nothing to do with the people being classified.

That does not unsettle racists. They continue on Racist Road and add to this wrong definition of fixed human groups another mistake. 2 These groups of people are assigned certain, unchangeable attributes — a few examples from a Western racist perspective: white people allegedly are clever and a bit stiff, Arabic people backwards and fanatic, native Americans are in touch with nature and gipsies are as lazy as they are musical. These attributes are not only ascribed to the group as a whole but also to every member of the group. Each imagined member of the group is regarded as a specimen or representative of the whole group: every gipsy is considered to be lazy. These features are seen to distinguish every person of that group from every person of another group, it forms them and it shows in their very essence. 3 This is the essentialisation.

Racism does not start where people are offended, humiliated, persecuted or murdered. It starts when people are sorted into biological or cultural groups and are seen to share essential characteristics — simply as alleged members of the group. 4


Continues at: https://gegen-kapital-und-nation.org/en ... eople-are/
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby Morty » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:13 pm

I've been meaning to make a comment on the "Belgium: Into the heart of darkness" thread. You don't need to defend indefensible notions such as "there is no such thing as race" in order to cure the world of its ills. One major step forward would be to teach real history in school. Like the real history of colonialism in Africa. It's too little too late when you've got guys dressed in black, with faces covered, rampaging through the streets, whichever side they're on. A little education early on inoculates a person against folly later on.
User avatar
Morty
 
Posts: 422
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:53 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby kool maudit » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:07 am

More bumping of this detestable thread, whose visible and plainspoken meaning is obfuscated by a haze of critical theory-derived, pin-angel counting scholasticism.

It is precisely what it seems and will be viewed as such by history.
kool maudit
 
Posts: 608
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:48 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby American Dream » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:27 am

"To achieve anything, it is an urgent priority for the Left to think clearly about its relationship to whiteness, the working class, and to resisting the allure of that glittering generality, the ‘white working class’, dangled before it on both sides of the Atlantic. Anyone on the Left who believes that Trump embodies a legitimate protest against the neoliberal status quo will likely try to placate and mollify his supporters, thus neutralising their own militancy. The unconscious assumption of such discourse is that the working class, the real working class, is white – notwithstanding the multiracial working class that has been mobilised in Black Lives Matter, at Standing Rock, behind $15 per hour, and during the Chicago Teachers’ Strike. On the other hand, those who believe – as was argued in The Nation – that Trump’s victory showed that ‘the preservation of white supremacy’ was the ‘paramount interest’ of ‘particularly working-class white people’, are likely to be at best narrowly and ineffectually militant. At worst, they are likely to be vulgar apologists for Clinton, who can conceive of no reason other than bigotry why any working stiff wouldn’t throw her a vote."

— Salvage, Order Prevails in Washington
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:36 pm

It's hilarious the mods allow racist threads on RI.

How about abolish all race? Use transgenics to mutate all humans into one indistinguishable utopian wet dream of equality and no color.

Oh yeah, evolution seemed to have a different thing in mind.
User avatar
Karmamatterz
 
Posts: 828
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:58 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 41 guests