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2) Not really. I have not said that 'rational consciousness' is better (why better?) but that it is the only construct that is demonstrable if we wish to build a model.
Talk of rationality brings me to that second sticking point..
I think I may have spotted an embryonic version of a rather hackneyed trope appearing under the label of 'rational consciousness'. The phrase itself has meaning, but it is rather pointless to immediately attach value judgements to it (except for rhetoricians of course, they love that). That trope is that rationalism (and therefore 'rational consciousness') is associated with the 'death force', as opposed to some undefined force for good.
Before we get carried away with the human tendency to prefer moralistic narratives, I would like to attempt to pull the irons out of the fire and suggest that 'rational consciousness' (and its mysterious opposite) is, in itself, neutral, as well as rationality being something that people tend to cleave to naturally when attempting positive discussions (ie, we prefer it)
I would say that to put an automatic bad value judgement on rationality is:
1) At worst, hippy hogwash
2) At best, a reflection of the human tendency to have two basic modes of looking at the world.. those of Classical and Romantic understanding which are described well in 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'.
Sounder wrote:
I would never put a bad value judgement on rationality, I love the stuff. I merely think that it, like ego would provide better service to us it they functioned as servants rather than as rulers. To say that more is not always better in no way implies an automatic bad value judgement, or that some or any is a bad thing. That would be absurd, no? Why do people feel the need to paint others positions with absurdity? Well I suppose it is a useful rhetorical trick, but it’s not very conducive to having a rational discussion.
......Another point that illustrates the importance of coherence is the fact that several organizations around the world have conducted synchronized meditations, prayers, intention experiments, and more. A number of studies have shown that collective meditations, prayer or focused intention directed toward a certain positive outcome can have measurable effects.
For example, one study was done during the Israel-Lebanon war in the 1980s. Two Harvard University professors organized groups of experienced meditators in Jerusalem, Yugoslavia, and the United states with the specific purpose of focusing attention on the area of conflict at various intervals over a 27-month period. During the course of the study, the levels of violence in Lebanon decreased between 40 and 80 percent each time a meditating group was in place. The average number of people killed during the war each day dropped from 12 to three, and war-related injuries fell by 70 percent. (1)
Another great example is a study that was conducted in 1993 in Washington, D.C., which showed a 25 percent drop in crime rates when 2,500 meditators meditated during a specific periods of time with that intention.
Every individual’s energy affects the collective field environment. The means each person’s emotions and intentions generate an energy that affects the field. A first step in diffusing societal stress in the global field is for each of us to take personal responsibility for our own energies. We can do this by increasing our personal coherence and raising our vibratory rate, which helps us become more conscious of the thoughts, feelings, and attitudes that we are feeding the field each day. We have a choice in every moment to take to heart the significance of intentionally managing our energies. This is the free will or local freedom that can create global cohesion. – Dr. Rozman (1)
The violent, confusing premise of scientific materialism is promoted as actual reality because -despite its woeful ontological shortcomings- it is the model of reality best suited to selling us Pharma products, GMO foods, material status anxiety, Apple Watches and the Kardashians.
Sounder » Wed May 18, 2016 6:12 am wrote:http://www.zengardner.com/earths-electromagnetic-fields-connect/......Another point that illustrates the importance of coherence is the fact that several organizations around the world have conducted synchronized meditations, prayers, intention experiments, and more. A number of studies have shown that collective meditations, prayer or focused intention directed toward a certain positive outcome can have measurable effects.
For example, one study was done during the Israel-Lebanon war in the 1980s. Two Harvard University professors organized groups of experienced meditators in Jerusalem, Yugoslavia, and the United states with the specific purpose of focusing attention on the area of conflict at various intervals over a 27-month period. During the course of the study, the levels of violence in Lebanon decreased between 40 and 80 percent each time a meditating group was in place. The average number of people killed during the war each day dropped from 12 to three, and war-related injuries fell by 70 percent. (1)
Another great example is a study that was conducted in 1993 in Washington, D.C., which showed a 25 percent drop in crime rates when 2,500 meditators meditated during a specific periods of time with that intention.
Every individual’s energy affects the collective field environment. The means each person’s emotions and intentions generate an energy that affects the field. A first step in diffusing societal stress in the global field is for each of us to take personal responsibility for our own energies. We can do this by increasing our personal coherence and raising our vibratory rate, which helps us become more conscious of the thoughts, feelings, and attitudes that we are feeding the field each day. We have a choice in every moment to take to heart the significance of intentionally managing our energies. This is the free will or local freedom that can create global cohesion. – Dr. Rozman (1)
Often times spiritual seekers resort to meditation in an effort to calm and try to reconcile their programming and shortcomings, and good on them for trying. Still while these efforts serve as an example and model, imagine how much more productive we might be if we had a community wide understanding and model for how our consciousness fields propagate?
Imagine what the world might be like if we all knew for certain that our ‘enemies’ were not enemies at all, but were rather a proper spur toward enlightenment.
Then we might learn to spread our love around to ever wider considerations and people.
http://runesoup.com/2015/05/force-majeu ... y-part-10/The violent, confusing premise of scientific materialism is promoted as actual reality because -despite its woeful ontological shortcomings- it is the model of reality best suited to selling us Pharma products, GMO foods, material status anxiety, Apple Watches and the Kardashians.
Scientism and Scientific Materialism are dead, and they were zombies from the start. We will heal and do much better when we collectively adopt a culture of life.
Then we may see that the only ‘virtue’ of SM is to raise input costs, leaving most ‘profit’ to large conglomerates, with little else but debt for the little folk. Think Green Revolution.
Sounder » Wed May 18, 2016 11:12 am wrote:http://www.zengardner.com/earths-electromagnetic-fields-connect/......Another point that illustrates the importance of coherence is the fact that several organizations around the world have conducted synchronized meditations, prayers, intention experiments, and more. A number of studies have shown that collective meditations, prayer or focused intention directed toward a certain positive outcome can have measurable effects.
For example, one study was done during the Israel-Lebanon war in the 1980s. Two Harvard University professors organized groups of experienced meditators in Jerusalem, Yugoslavia, and the United states with the specific purpose of focusing attention on the area of conflict at various intervals over a 27-month period. During the course of the study, the levels of violence in Lebanon decreased between 40 and 80 percent each time a meditating group was in place. The average number of people killed during the war each day dropped from 12 to three, and war-related injuries fell by 70 percent. (1)
Another great example is a study that was conducted in 1993 in Washington, D.C., which showed a 25 percent drop in crime rates when 2,500 meditators meditated during a specific periods of time with that intention.
Every individual’s energy affects the collective field environment. The means each person’s emotions and intentions generate an energy that affects the field. A first step in diffusing societal stress in the global field is for each of us to take personal responsibility for our own energies. We can do this by increasing our personal coherence and raising our vibratory rate, which helps us become more conscious of the thoughts, feelings, and attitudes that we are feeding the field each day. We have a choice in every moment to take to heart the significance of intentionally managing our energies. This is the free will or local freedom that can create global cohesion. – Dr. Rozman (1)
Often times spiritual seekers resort to meditation in an effort to calm and try to reconcile their programming and shortcomings, and good on them for trying. Still while these efforts serve as an example and model, imagine how much more productive we might be if we had a community wide understanding and model for how our consciousness fields propagate?
Imagine what the world might be like if we all knew for certain that our ‘enemies’ were not enemies at all, but were rather a proper spur toward enlightenment.
Then we might learn to spread our love around to ever wider considerations and people.
http://runesoup.com/2015/05/force-majeu ... y-part-10/The violent, confusing premise of scientific materialism is promoted as actual reality because -despite its woeful ontological shortcomings- it is the model of reality best suited to selling us Pharma products, GMO foods, material status anxiety, Apple Watches and the Kardashians.
Scientism and Scientific Materialism are dead, and they were zombies from the start. We will heal and do much better when we collectively adopt a culture of life.
Then we may see that the only ‘virtue’ of SM is to raise input costs, leaving most ‘profit’ to large conglomerates, with little else but debt for the little folk. Think Green Revolution.
Correct, they are, and always were tools, however you seem to be pointlessly raising the spectre of people who made idols of them (acolytes of scientism).
This even negates their usefulness as tool.
Sounder » Wed May 18, 2016 12:04 pm wrote:Correct, they are, and always were tools, however you seem to be pointlessly raising the spectre of people who made idols of them (acolytes of scientism).
This even negates their usefulness as tool.
You may be right about a sloppy use of words, please expand.
Correct, they are, and always were tools, however you seem to be pointlessly raising the spectre of people who made idols of them (acolytes of scientism).
This even negates their usefulness as tools.
I haven't a lot more to add but IMO, tools, like machines should be dead, this is what makes them useful. It is the dead things around us that, by comparison, give life a special status.
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