Questioning Consciousness

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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu May 25, 2017 11:04 pm

Yes, to suggest that universal existence could arise from non-existence is, imho, just not credible.


And yet, it is fact. Photon pair production

Since all known massless particles are bosons and the most familiar massive particles are fermions, usually what is considered is the process which converts two bosons (e.g. photons) into two fermions (e.g., an electron–positron pair). This process is known as pair production.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby BenDhyan » Fri May 26, 2017 12:56 am

Iamwhomiam » Fri May 26, 2017 1:04 pm wrote:
Yes, to suggest that universal existence could arise from non-existence is, imho, just not credible.


And yet, it is fact. Photon pair production

Since all known massless particles are bosons and the most familiar massive particles are fermions, usually what is considered is the process which converts two bosons (e.g. photons) into two fermions (e.g., an electron–positron pair). This process is known as pair production.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Nothing comes from nothing Iam, nowhere is it saying that something comes from nothing. If you think otherwise, please point out the precise part of that quote that implies it?.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby Elvis » Fri May 26, 2017 2:40 am

It's a crazy business. :glasses:
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby BenDhyan » Fri May 26, 2017 2:57 am

dada » Fri May 26, 2017 11:40 am wrote:
The simplest answer would be "everything has always been".


Anyway, it's just philosophical musings to make definitive statements about the concepts of something and nothing. Matter is made of mostly space. And even the vacuum contains swirls of potential energy. The empty light years are brimming with dark matter. So there's no such thing as 'pure' something existing, or nothing, not existing. It's the cycling changes, which are time, which is a field, which we look at using spotlights.

I can understand nothing not existing, but not the sum total of mass and energy of the universe not existing. There is both logic and science to support this. Logically something that does not exist can't come into existence from nothing. Science says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can be changed from one form to another. The total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant. This points to existence as always existing. :)
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue May 30, 2017 7:52 pm

BenDhyan » Fri May 26, 2017 12:56 am wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Fri May 26, 2017 1:04 pm wrote:
Yes, to suggest that universal existence could arise from non-existence is, imho, just not credible.


And yet, it is fact. Photon pair production

Since all known massless particles are bosons and the most familiar massive particles are fermions, usually what is considered is the process which converts two bosons (e.g. photons) into two fermions (e.g., an electron–positron pair). This process is known as pair production.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Nothing comes from nothing Iam, nowhere is it saying that something comes from nothing. If you think otherwise, please point out the precise part of that quote that implies it?.


I know! I must be crazy, huh?

"Let there be light!"

I accept the term boson is being applied to a force(?) that is caught up in wave/particle duality.

In the physical sciences, a particle is a small localized object to which can be ascribed several physical or chemical properties such as volume or mass.


Understanding what a particle is, what it must be or not be in order to meet this definition should be primary.

Bosons have no measurable mass or volume and have no positive or negative electrical charge. And they somehow spontaneously turn into zero-mass photon particles bearing either charge. Where did the charge come from, Ben?

You can only argue one side, Ben. Which will that be, waves or particles?
Because you're gonna have a hard time explaining how they can be both, though, it's assumed, they are.

Besides, the limitations of our sensory organs prevent better perception of our true reality. Feel like arguing next about anti-matter and why it matters? Can nothing utterly destroy something?
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:01 pm

BRAIN ARCHITECTURE: SCIENTISTS DISCOVER 11 DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURES THAT COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THE BRAIN WORKS

Scientists studying the brain have discovered that the organ operates on up to 11 different dimensions, creating multiverse-like structures that are “a world we had never imagined.”

By using an advanced mathematical system, researchers were able to uncover architectural structures that appears when the brain has to process information, before they disintegrate into nothing.

Their findings, published in the journal Frontiers in Computational Neuroscience, reveals the hugely complicated processes involved in the creation of neural structures, potentially helping explain why the brain is so difficult to understand and tying together its structure with its function.

The team, led by scientists at the EPFL, Switzerland, were carrying out research as part of the Blue Brain Project—an initiative to create a biologically detailed reconstruction of the human brain. Working initially on rodent brains, the team used supercomputer simulations to study the complex interactions within different regions.

In the latest study, researchers honed in on the neural network structures within the brain using algebraic topology—a system used to describe networks with constantly changing spaces and structures. This is the first time this branch of math has been applied to neuroscience.

"Algebraic topology is like a telescope and microscope at the same time. It can zoom into networks to find hidden structures—the trees in the forest—and see the empty spaces—the clearings—all at the same time," study author Kathryn Hess said in a statement.

In the study, researchers carried out multiple tests on virtual brain tissue to find brain structures that would never appear just by chance. They then carried out the same experiments on real brain tissue to confirm their virtual findings.

They discovered that when they presented the virtual tissue with stimulus, groups of neurons form a clique. Each neuron connects to every other neuron in a very specific way to produce a precise geometric object. The more neurons in a clique, the higher the dimensions.

In some cases, researchers discovered cliques with up to 11 different dimensions.

The structures assembled formed enclosures for high-dimensional holes that the team have dubbed cavities. Once the brain has processed the information, the clique and cavity disappears.

"The appearance of high-dimensional cavities when the brain is processing information means that the neurons in the network react to stimuli in an extremely organized manner," said one of the researchers, Ran Levi.

"It is as if the brain reacts to a stimulus by building then razing a tower of multi-dimensional blocks, starting with rods (1D), then planks (2D), then cubes (3D), and then more complex geometries with 4D, 5D, etc. The progression of activity through the brain resembles a multi-dimensional sandcastle that materializes out of the sand and then disintegrates," he said.

Henry Markram, director of Blue Brain Project, said the findings could help explain why the brain is so hard to understand. "The mathematics usually applied to study networks cannot detect the high-dimensional structures and spaces that we now see clearly,” he said.

"We found a world that we had never imagined. There are tens of millions of these objects even in a small speck of the brain, up through seven dimensions. In some networks, we even found structures with up to eleven dimensions."

The findings indicate the brain processes stimuli by creating these complex cliques and cavities, so the next step will be to find out whether or not our ability to perform complicated tasks requires the creation of these multi-dimensional structures.

In an email interview with Newsweek , Hess says the discovery brings us closer to understanding “one of the fundamental mysteries of neuroscience: the link between the structure of the brain and how it processes information.”

By using algebraic topology, she says, the team was able to discover “the highly organized structure hidden in the seemingly chaotic firing patterns of neurons, a structure which was invisible until we looked through this particular mathematical filter.”

Hess says the findings suggest that when we examine brain activity with low-dimensional representations, we only get a shadow of the real activity taking place. This means we can see some information, but not the full picture. “So, in a sense our discoveries may explain why it has been so hard to understand the relation between brain structure and function,” she explains.

“The stereotypical response pattern that we discovered indicates that the circuit always responds to stimuli by constructing a sequence of geometrical representations starting in low dimensions and adding progressively higher dimensions, until the build-up suddenly stops and then collapses: a mathematical signature for reactions to stimuli.

“In future work we intend to study the role of plasticity—the strengthening and weakening of connections in response to stimuli—with the tools of algebraic topology. Plasticity is fundamental to the mysterious process of learning, and we hope that we will be able to provide new insight into this phenomenon,” she added.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby BenDhyan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed May 31, 2017 9:52 am wrote:
BenDhyan » Fri May 26, 2017 12:56 am wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Fri May 26, 2017 1:04 pm wrote:
Yes, to suggest that universal existence could arise from non-existence is, imho, just not credible.


And yet, it is fact. Photon pair production

Since all known massless particles are bosons and the most familiar massive particles are fermions, usually what is considered is the process which converts two bosons (e.g. photons) into two fermions (e.g., an electron–positron pair). This process is known as pair production.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Nothing comes from nothing Iam, nowhere is it saying that something comes from nothing. If you think otherwise, please point out the precise part of that quote that implies it?.


I know! I must be crazy, huh?

"Let there be light!"

I accept the term boson is being applied to a force(?) that is caught up in wave/particle duality.

In the physical sciences, a particle is a small localized object to which can be ascribed several physical or chemical properties such as volume or mass.


Understanding what a particle is, what it must be or not be in order to meet this definition should be primary.

Bosons have no measurable mass or volume and have no positive or negative electrical charge. And they somehow spontaneously turn into zero-mass photon particles bearing either charge. Where did the charge come from, Ben?

You can only argue one side, Ben. Which will that be, waves or particles?
Because you're gonna have a hard time explaining how they can be both, though, it's assumed, they are.

Besides, the limitations of our sensory organs prevent better perception of our true reality. Feel like arguing next about anti-matter and why it matters? Can nothing utterly destroy something?

Bosons are not nothing though Iam, by definition nothing does not exist.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby minime » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:38 pm

And nothing is a word.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby KUAN » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:41 pm

by definition nothing does not exist


Can a void exist?

Semantics? Perhaps? Or not?
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby BenDhyan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:49 pm

minime » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:38 pm wrote:And nothing is a word.


True, and all words are not that which they represent, except perhaps 'word'?
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby BenDhyan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:59 pm

KUAN » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:41 pm wrote:
by definition nothing does not exist


Can a void exist?

Semantics? Perhaps? Or not?

Void in the absolute sense, no imo, it is only an idea.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby minime » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:11 am

BenDhyan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:49 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:38 pm wrote:And nothing is a word.


True, and all words are not that which they represent, except perhaps 'word'?


Word.

Not even word.

And nothing is a word.
And nothing is a word.
And nothing is a word.
And nothing is a word.
And nothing is a word.
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