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Postby Sweet Tooth » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:24 am

Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba: witness

A passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated another person aboard a Greyhound bus travelling through Manitoba overnight, a witness said Thursday.

Police officers were examining the Greyhound bus after a man repeatedly stabbed another passenger. (CBC)Police would not confirm the reports, only saying that a "major incident" took place around 9 p.m. Wednesday evening in the bus as it drove along the Trans-Canada Highway west of Portage la Prairie en route to Winnipeg from Edmonton.

The killing took place on the Trans-Canada about 18 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie, a city about 85 kilometres west of Winnipeg. A man is in police custody.

Passenger Garnet Caton told CBC News on Thursday that the attacker had been sitting beside the victim, who was sleeping with his headphones on.

Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and saw the man holding a large "Rambo" hunting knife above the victim, "continually stabbing him in the chest area," he said.

"He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.

About 37 panicked passengers and the bus driver fled the bus. "The whole time, the attacker was over top of the victim. He is continually cutting him. I think the victim was gone at that point," Caton said.

Caton said the attacker appeared "totally normal" earlier in the journey after boarding around Brandon, and chatted with a young lady as he smoked a cigarette during a break.

But when he got back on the bus, he moved his belongings from the front to a seat beside the victim in the back and about 20 minutes later began attacking the man, said Caton. "He didn't say anything to the victim at all," said Caton.

Once the bus pulled over and passengers fled, Caton, the driver and a trucker who stopped at the scene boarded the vehicle to see if the victim was still alive.

"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," said Caton.

The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio.

When the attacker began fiddling with buttons and trying to drive the bus, Caton says the driver disabled the vehicle.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Caton described the attacker as surprisingly calm. "It was like he was at the beach or something. There was no rage in him. He wasn't swearing or cursing or anything. It was just like he was a robot or something."

Police cruisers arrived about 10 minutes later, he estimates, and began directing passengers to school buses to take them to a hotel in Brandon. The attacker picked up the head.

"While we were waiting on the side of the road, he was taunting the police with the head in his hand," said Caton.

A six-year-old and other children were among the passengers who saw the gruesome incident unfold, said Caton.

"It was pretty traumatic," he said, adding that some passengers said they have been unable to sleep or eat since it happened.

A chaplain and crisis team were on hand to counsel passengers at the hotel, he said.

Officers were still at the scene early Thursday morning and brought portable search lights to examine the bus, the CBC's Sean Kavanagh reported. Traffic was being rerouted to a side road.

Abby Wambaugh, media relations spokeswoman for Greyhound Canada, said there were 37 passengers and a driver aboard the bus.

She would not comment on what happened on the bus.

"I don't want to compromise the investigation, so any details need to be confirmed by the police," she said.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/ ... canada.htm
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:34 am

I've done some long haul bus trips, and sometimes passengers can give you the shits, but killing them after 20 minutes is a bit much. I'd like to know if they knew each other previously or something like that.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:44 am

More from here:

"Some people were puking, some people were crying, other people were in shock . . . everybody was running, screaming off the bus."

Caton described the man who attacked the passenger as about six feet tall, 200 pounds, with a bald head and wearing sunglasses. He seemed oblivious to others when the stabbing occurred, said Caton.

Caton said he was struck by how calm the man was. He just walked up to the front of the bus and dropped the head, Caton said.

Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was Aboriginal in appearance, and was wearing hip-hop clothing, and appeared to be a young man around 20 years of age.

"When we saw the head, we knew he was dead," he said. "I don't think the guy knew him at all. I think he was really crazy ... the poor guy, he didn't see it coming."


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Postby sfnate » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:26 am

Would anyone care to speculate that this emotionless killer was on meds?
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Postby justdrew » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:11 pm

this really highlights the problem with headphones, totally destroys ones situational awareness.
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Postby Avalon » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:33 pm

Yes, but some accounts say the victim was asleep.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:45 pm

Just heard a very lucid description of events from a close witness. He said the victim was apparently asleep, nestled against the window listening to headphones. Killer and victim never exchanged words. The slashing was "robotic."
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Postby justdrew » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:59 pm

sounds like a targeted execution. who was this poor kid?
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Postby Nordic » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:46 pm

Do they have Sean Hannity and Michael Savage and Ann Coulter in Canada?

The kids who got killed sounds like he looked like a "liberal".
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:59 pm

Nordic wrote:Do they have Sean Hannity and Michael Savage and Ann Coulter in Canada?


Only from across the border, and FoxNews is, I think, only available as a specialty digital channel.

The kids who got killed sounds like he looked like a "liberal".


I think he was also described as likely aboriginal, and if it was a hate crime I'm afraid that would be the most likely cause.

From CBC:

Passenger Cody Olmstead, 21, told CBC News he had smoked a cigarette earlier in the trip with the victim, whom he described as a man in his late teens or early 20s. The victim got on the bus in Edmonton, he said.

"I never took the time to know him, but he seemed to be OK, right, just a kid," said Olmstead, a Nova Scotia man who had been taking the bus to Montreal.

"He just said he was going to Winnipeg … going home, that's where he was from."


Poor kid.
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Postby elfismiles » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:24 pm

Jeff wrote:"He just said he was going to Winnipeg … going home, that's where he was from."

Poor kid.


Poor kid indeed.

... in an unrelated synchromystic coincidence ... after reading about this incident here at RI I was looking around some synchromystic blogs and found this image:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_MryQii-dvu8/SIc ... 00-h/2.jpg

Considering Winnipeg and its Legislative Building - the Thoth topped, octagonal themed, Temple Of Solomon - is located near the North American Geographic Center it becomes a strong candidate for synchromystic Galactic Center.

http://rundonotwalk.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... emple.html
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Postby Brighid_Moon » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:33 pm

Moral: it's just as safe to ride Greyhound as it is to hitch-hike. Those poor witnesses are going to need therapy and I feel bad for the children involved, as well as the surviving members of that poor kid's family.

Also: the man acting "robotic" makes me wonder about some kind of mind-control stuff, or even a PTSD abreaction. Perhaps he "snapped"? Any other information on the killer?
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:02 pm

Wow, just when you think you've heard it all...is there something about Winnipeg?

This isn't just some guy snapping after too much Rush Limbaugh and going on a "liberal" killing spree...this seems like something straight out of an esoteric horror film.

I'm not a wealth of knowledge on criminal psychology or the limits of human capacity, but I can certainly speculate on some controversial reasons how someone could go into that mode. Are we so far gone as a society, that it takes the most extreme events to shock people? People have to really go out of their way to cause true terror?

I love taking Greyhound now and then...the idea of being asleep and waking up to that...for even the other passengers...my God. Shock and awe indeed.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:05 pm

8bitagent wrote:This isn't just some guy snapping after too much Rush Limbaugh and going on a "liberal" killing spree...this seems like something straight out of an esoteric horror film.


Since you mention it, it did remind me of this. (IMO the best scene from In the Mouth of Madness. Though maybe not all that esoteric.)

But the most frightening thought to me is that he wasn't controlled, and that the victim wasn't targeted.
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