Dean Radin article on Psi, science

[professorpan]

http://www.realitysandwich.com/what_gorilla

[Wombaticus Rex]

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[professorpan]

Perhaps I can guess at Hugh's response. It's because Dean Radin has academic credentials, and as everyone knows, having a degree from a university -- in particular, a prestigious university -- means he is an evildoer.

And he has done work for aerospace, government, or military contractors -- hence, an evildoer.

But mostly, it's because he promotes WOO -- wonder occluding objectivity.

Guilty on all counts. Off with his head.

[Searcher08]

I'm still waiting for HMW to point out the flaws in Radin's experiment on 'intentional' chocolate after he slated it.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I'm still waiting for HMW to point out the flaws in Radin's experiment on 'intentional' chocolate after he slated it.

It's the same neurolinguistic scam as Masuro Emoto's 'The Hidden Messages in Water.'

There is a specific demographic that is sensitive to environmental and war issues which was carefully given reasons to put on a smiley face just before the real horror of global warming was announced.

So in order to give them a fake positive message with just the right keywords and to continue the carefully developed disinfo projects...this 'intention' neurolinguistic placebo was marketed.

Another part of the same demographic-massaging disinfo campaign was the marketing of the 'What the blank Do I Know?' movie and discussion groups and a trinket store even opened up in my neighborhood heavily promoting that disinfo movie's agenda and scheduling groups etc. just to corral the peace-and-justice prone quasi-New Agey women who might otherwise do REAL activism.

Divide, conquer, channel into safe harbors, water the swamp, etc.....

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Perhaps I can guess at Hugh's response. It's because Dean Radin has academic credentials....
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No, it is because of what he writes and does. I've read it.

But mostly, it's because he promotes WOO -- wonder occluding objectivity.

Worse, he works with the CIA to promote W.O.O. for social control purposes.

Guilty on all counts. Off with his head.

He can keep his head.
My goal is to help other people to keep theirs.

[Jeff]

My goal is to help other people to keep theirs.

Feed YOUR head, Hugh.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

My goal is to help other people to keep theirs.

Feed YOUR head, Hugh.

Ah, the sciences I've read and promote-
>linguistics
>neuroscience
>psychology
>sociology
>cybernetics
>information theory
>advertising technology
>military theory and history
>CIA theory and history
>actual documentation
>reliable whistleblowers
>etc.

And you're promoting "intentional chocolate" from a guy working with SRI? yikes.

The military doctrine involved is tricking your opponent not to oppose you.
I could transcribe the Pentagon's text right out of their own text books but this concept goes back to Sun-Tzu ages ago.

Jeff, in case you want to check for yourself , it is on page 758 of volume 2 of the Department of the Army's Pamphlet No. 525-7-2, 'The Art and Science of Psychological Operations: Case Studies of Military Application.'

It helps to be able to tell chocolate from...

[Searcher08]

I'm still waiting for HMW to point out the flaws in Radin's experiment on 'intentional' chocolate after he slated it.

It's the same neurolinguistic scam as Masuro Emoto's 'The Hidden Messages in Water.'

Emoto's work was only available in Japanese for years. He isn't an academic

There is a specific demographic that is sensitive to environmental and war issues which was carefully given reasons to put on a smiley face just before the real horror of global warming was announced.

Demographic as in ABC1 (I'm not sure if the US uses the same breakdown as the UK) I'm interested in how you know that as "New Age" is IMHO very diverse rather than one socio-economic section of people.

In my experience the people who were most interested in the environment and anti-war are not the new agers but the dance crowd in the late 80's and early 90's who were fueled by a love of 'E' and the rave culture.

So in order to give them a fake positive message with just the right keywords and to continue the carefully developed disinfo projects...this 'intention' neurolinguistic placebo was marketed.

Intention has been a word in extensive use in philosophy by very diverse people like the reductionist materialist Dennett or in the existential sense by Landmark.

My understanding of your point of view is that you are a reductionist materialist whose epistemology is scientific rationalism and who sees mind as brain processes which cease on death. Richard Dawkins a hero?
I'm saying that to be clear on 'where you are coming from' - I'm a holist vitalist who collects and tries epistemolgies, reincarnation and has Bob Monroe as a hero (so you know where I'm coming from )

Another part of the same demographic-massaging disinfo campaign was the marketing of the 'What the blank Do I Know?' movie and discussion groups and a trinket store even opened up in my neighborhood heavily promoting that disinfo movie's agenda and scheduling groups etc. just to corral the peace-and-justice prone quasi-New Agey women who might otherwise do REAL activism.

That is where I'm interested in the demographic information you refer to as for the most part, the only overlap between people who are passionate about personal development and responsibility AND real activism are people who are often involved in 'transformational' business - like Catherine Austin Fitts in Solari or the folks who do scenario and futures work at ReosPartners. I consider what they are doing as very worthwhile and aspire to work in that area myself one day.

Divide, conquer, channel into safe harbors, water the swamp, etc.....

My question on specifics was not meant nastily, his protocol seems very rigourous indeed and very transparent. I'm working on a mock 'Research Proposal' and was very impressed by his protocol.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Ah, the sciences I've read and promote-
>linguistics
>neuroscience
>psychology
>sociology
>cybernetics
>information theory
>advertising technology
>military theory and history
>CIA theory and history
>actual documentation
>reliable whistleblowers
>etc.

So your actual documentation is "real," whereas everyone else's is psyops. Your whistleblowers are "reliable", whereas anyone else is disinformation.

This seems like a slightly huge loophole, Hugh. You're relying on the same "academic" disciplines that you're saying are polluted with psyops and disinformation bullshit. You're relying on the same social sciences that you also claim are controlled/manipulated by the CIA.

I've really never seen such an astonishing case of confirmation bias outside of a religious context. That which contradicts you is a lie, that which supports your case is the only real evidence worth discussing.

Well, I think I understand you now. I missed Buckaroo Banzai the first time around, but man...if there's any single poster here who distracts us from actual solutions and progress, Hugh....it's you.

[Silverfox]

Why not try a version of the kind of test Radin is talking about and see just how aware you are?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/245320/

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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You're relying on the same "academic" disciplines that you're saying are polluted with psyops and disinformation bullshit. You're relying on the same social sciences that you also claim are controlled/manipulated by the CIA.

Um, I've said that the CIA uses that stuff in expert ways, not that none of it is valid.
How much of that list of sciences have you read up on yourself?
Tell me you have atleast read Christopher Simpson's book, 'Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare, 1945-1960' for a start.
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Coercion-Communication-Psychological-1945-1960/dp/0195102924

That's was a really bizarre characterization indicating gross misunderstanding on your part and the rest of your post reminds me I shouldn't spend time at RI anymore trying to explain things that require more database than anybody bothers to acquire for themselves.

Because if I don't get the damn thing all the way over the explanation plate and then some... it will cause confusion.

Sometimes I spent hours editing to hand a clue on a silver a platter to this board and a few times I started and gave up before getting past the 'snicker factor' threshold. Like 'Buckaroo Bonzai.'

Now I know a lot more about how a primary psyops movie gets started or kicked around until events on the ground warrant it finally getting produced and released and then several other themes get added on like extra baggage on a flight that is going to take off anyway.

Some psyops is a real haphazard Frankenstein quilt by committee and some is quite elegant and seamless. So if I pull out one of the haphazard ones to take apart, it won't be very easy to understand. Especially if all you do is read RI posts and not that list of sciences, some of the military psyops manuals I've collected, and apply that to analyzing lots of media daily for a few years to watch campaigns be deployed over a long arc.

Well, I think I understand you now.

You must be kidding. Not even close. Not a chance.

I missed Buckaroo Banzai the first time around, but man..

That was one of those very few incomplete efforts I didn't finish and get past the snicker factor. Yup, it needed more information.

Since JEFF "derailed" this thread and now you are hitting me over the head with his diversion, I'll respond to that 'Buckaroo Bonzai' thread cited.

Because you won't figure out on your own, WR, how a crappy mundane project kicking around for years would finally get dusted off, renovated, and launched as an anti-commie Reagan-era Cold War recruiting turd with nested counterpropaganda (like a few hundred others) because something dangerous had happened.

After the CIA was scrutinized from 1974-1979 and found to be killing people like government leaders and targeting activists, Professor Jon Wiener sued the FBI in 1983 for their files on John Lennon who had been assassinated just three years earlier.

Wiener put out a book in 1984 about Lennon as a political figure and describing the FBI's targeting him.

Lennon/Yoko? West + East? A rocker with Asian ties? 'Buckaroo Bonzai? Get it?

Suddenly there was another really good reason to hijack that West/East theme which Richard Case Nagell also embodied (married to a Japanese woman and knew Oswald to be a spook in Japan) and Nagell's information is a serious threat to the JFK cover-up which had just been threatened from 1967-69, again in 1971, and then from 1974-1980.

>You know how Nagell's work in Japan tied him to Willoughby who is suspected of plotting against JFK along with other fascists like General Walker in the USG?

>You know how Willoughby was famously called by McArthur, "my little fascist" because Willoughby was personal buddies with Francisco Franco?
(You know the meme-reversal movie, 'My Little Assasin' about Castro?)

>You know how Willoughby got a medal from a fascist dictator in Italy named Mussolini?

>You know how the name of the evil Italian named "Lizardo" is really close to the name of the medal that MUSSOLINI gave Willoughby, the Order of Saints Maurizio and Lazzaro?

Now, WR, do you REALLY think this was a coincidental timing with the 1984 book about John Lennon?

And then do you REALLY think that it is a coincidence that Richard Case Nagell and John Lennon were both married to Japanese women and linked to public suspicions about CIA assassinations?

Do you REALLY think that this was a coincidence about the "evil Italian Lizardo" and Willoughby's medal from frikkin' Mussolini with the name "Lazzaro?"

Don't you think that since the CIA's buddy, Nazi Klaus Barbie, who had helped carry out the 1980 Cocaine Coup in Bolivia was just publicly extradited in 1983 and put on trial in 1984 *note the TIMING AGAIN* that it would be useful to create a decoy of the US military's link to Mussolini, too, just for the kidz?

If you think those were all coincidences, then you are not capable of understanding this country, the CIA, or media.

How about Reagan's 1983 invasion of black Grenada to 'save it from Cuban commies' to cover for his letting the Marines get blown up in Beirut?
Ya think that might have something to do with those 'black aliens' in this crappy anti-Communist military recruiting movie?

.if there's any single poster here who distracts us from actual solutions and progress, Hugh....it's you.

That would be funny if this board didn't have people looking at UFOs and asking if 'maybe the universe is just a hologram' and promoting Dean frikkin' psychic remote viewing Radin and "intentional chocolate." This is from adults. Astonishing.

I've put more CIA history, more miltary science, more neuroscience, more media analysis...here at RI than anyone else.
You wouldn't know about parasocial interaction, inoculation theory, interference theory, and other psyops mind control if I didn't figure it out and post it here.

I call that "progress," first figuring out the nature of the problem-MILITARY GOVERMENT which uses media for conditioning, stability operations, and counterpropaganda ALL THE TIME.

Control of language and memory is MIND CONTROL.

Wall to wall psyops culture is poisoning the minds of children by the time they are five years old.

Now what do you have against EXPOSING THIS so that more people think critically, find out what scientific facsism is, and warn others?

[Jeff]

Lennon/Yoko? West + East? A rocker with Asian ties? 'Buckaroo Bonzai? Get it?

"I am sure, in the miserable annals of the Earth, you will be duly enshrined."

[Penguin]

If the universe is a hologram, its still as real as it is now for all concerned. So dont quite get how suspecting that the current basis might not be complete - a nutty makes?

As for the rest..
I think Ill go for a walk in the rain..laters..

[brainpanhandler]

If the universe is a hologram, its still as real as it is now for all concerned.

Agreed, but if that's true then that is all that really need be said until such time as we all become hologram gods. Maybe I am lacking in imagination.

So dont quite get how suspecting that the current basis might not be complete - a nutty makes?

I think Hugh just believes, rather wet blanket like, that such esoteric intellectual pursuits are a waste of time and energy (or worse, intentional diversions), when there are pressing, desperately urgent "real" world issues that people ought to be focusing on instead.

I don't agree with Hugh that revealing psyops in the msm is THE most pressing issue. I think it's too late for that. I'm not suggesting we pull out our fiddles and watch it all burn, but the vast majority of human beings exposed to propaganda and unaware of ever having had their world views shaped and manipulated are too far gone to have their eyes opened. THAT is a waste of time; maybe a more noble waste of time, but a waste of time nonetheless.

Anyone who fails to recognize that programming designed for children quite often serves the purpose of indoctrinating future generations in the dominant cultural paradigms/mythologies just is not paying attention. In this area I believe Hugh has some of his strongest arguments and cynical as I am I can't bring myself to believe that fighting that evil is a waste of time (even though it probably is).

WAY ot, but tangentially related...Wilhelm Reich finally gave up attempting to treat adult neurotics as he had so little success freeing them from their self imposed chains. Instead, Reich refocused his energies toward preventing neuroses in children. His techniques and theories for accomplishing this were revolutionary for his time and continue to be revolutionary to this day. So forward thinking were his techniques and thoughts on how to prevent neuroses in children that indoctrinated parents and professional colleagues were incapable of recognizing his genius. Having the very basis of one's world view or professional paradigm turned inside out is disconcerting to say the least. It's very few people who respond positively to such an experience. Almost universally people contract back into themselves and the known when confronted with such fundamentally challenging information. Reich's emphasis on expansion and contraction of the organism and indeed the cosmos itself, has an intellectual corollary. It is not the fear of the unknown that is neurotic, but the habitual, unaware fear of the unknown that is neurotic.

You're a psychonaut Penguin. You desire to push the boundaries and bring yourself right to the edge of madness out of an insatiable curiosity. You are part of a tiny minority of human beings that can tolerate, let alone actively seek out, radically altering your perception of reality. You can't ever go back from there.

I think Ill go for a walk in the rain

Singing in the Rain