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Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:46 am**

Why I'll Never Support Interventionist Warmonger Obama nor any other War Party.

Heard this bit on the radio last night and I nearly puked in disgust.

Biden's invocation of 911 / War on Terror and Obama's desire for more troops in Afghanistan ... @ 4 minutes 10 seconds into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ugYiF5tSI

"Or should you believe Barack Obama who said a year ago 'we need to send two more combat battalions to Afghanistan.' <sheeple cheers> The fact of the matter is al-Qaeda and the Taleban, the people who actually attacked us on 911, they've regrouped in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and they are plotting new attacks. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has echoed Barack's call for more troops. John McCain was wrong and Barack Obama was right. <sheeple cheers>"

GET YER WAR ON FOLKS!

F*ing sickening.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:56 am**

If by "not supporting" Obama you will hand the presidency to McCain, will you feel better?

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:08 pm**

nomo wrote:If by "not supporting" Obama you will hand the presidency to McCain, will you feel better?

Whatever dude. You and I both know that the sElection aint that simple. I do not believe in voting for the Evil of Two Lessers.

I'm not handing my support to any person I don't feel morally or ethically deserves my support.

There is No Choice engendered in your proposition.

Besides ... neither McCain nor Obama will be on the ballot in Texas if they are held to the letter of the law. Oh wait, that's right, those two "different" parties are above the law:

Is Bob Barr Texas' Only Official Presidential Ballot?

Texas Voters Seem to Have Only One Official Presidential Ballot : Libertarian Bob Barr

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

According to the Secretary of State, you have the choice to vote for Libertarian Bob Barr, an Anti-Real ID candidate and other write in candidates such as, Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney.

Presidential Candidates steeping in their own hype at the DNC and upcoming RNC appeared to miss the Texas filing deadline yesterday, August 26th.

"Unless the state of Texas violates their own election laws, Congressman Barr will be the only presidential candidate on the ballot," says Russell Verney, campaign manager for the Barr Campaign and the former campaign manager for Ross Perot. "Texas law makes no exceptions for missing deadlines."

Well, maybe the other Presidential candidates didn't really miss the deadline. Maybe they are just faking.

According to an unnamed afterhours source, both Republican and Democratic parties have what is called a "placeholder ballot" until their party officially selects a candidate at their national convention. If Barack Obama, presumptive nominee for the Democratic party, accepts the party's nomination this week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, CO, the Texas Secretary of state will remove the dummy ballot and replace it with Barack Obama.

Republicans will officiate their presumptive nominee John McCain at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, MN next week and then remove their Texas dummy afterward.

The Barr campaign complained of longtime inequities and special rules for the top 2 parties.

"Republicans and Democrats make certain that third party candidates are held to ballot access laws, no matter how absurd or unreasonable," says Verney. "Therefore, Republicans and Democrats should be held to the same standards."

"We know all about deadlines," says Verney. "We are up against them constantly in our fight to get on the ballot across the nation. When we miss deadlines, we get no second chances. This is a great example of how unreasonable deadlines chill democracy."

Here is Barr describing another chilling example of democracy gone south.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCSIECh47Ww

http://beatthechip.blogspot.com/2008/08 ... icial.html

Here's the Libertarian Party of Texas press release that triggered this and tipped the Barr campaign:

http://lptexas.org/release-20080827.shtml

--Wes Benedict
Executive Director
Libertarian Party of Texas
512-442-4910

And no ... I doubt I'll support Bob Barr either. I fear he is perhaps a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Writing in Cynthia McKinney or Ron Paul I just might do.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:16 pm**

elfismiles wrote:Writing in Cynthia McKinney or Ron Paul I just might do.

Great. I'm sure that will thwart McCain's chances. And you'll sleep peacefully at night, knowing that you did the right thing.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:32 pm**

Nomo said ....

nomo wrote:Great. I'm sure that will thwart McCain's chances. And you'll sleep peacefully at night, knowing that you did the right thing.

Sorry if you lose sleep over such things. If having one puppet instead of another puppet in casa blanca makes you feel better, good luck with that.

Cuz everything was "just peachy" under Clinton. Sure, he could at least string together a coherant sentence, and sure, we only had 1 building blown up killing some kids and Federal employees, a few dozen women and children burned to death by fires and that first failed attempt to bring down the WTC. And heck, I'm sure all those liberal activists will hold Obama's feet to the fire and make him repeal the Patriot Act, and stop those pesky illegal wiretaps and bring the troops home asap.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:36 pm**

elfismiles wrote:Why I'll Never Support Interventionist Warmonger Obama nor any other War Party.

Dude (may I call you dude?), you live in Texas? Your state has not produced an electoral vote for a democrat in over thirty years. Simply by paying state taxes in Texas you are by default supporting the republican candidate who is already projected to win your state by a landslide. Vote any candidate you want - it won't make a whit of difference in the outcome. If you want to make a difference, kindly move to New Mexico. Thank you for your patience. I will now back away slowly...

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:41 pm**

barracuda wrote:
elfismiles wrote:Why I'll Never Support Interventionist Warmonger Obama nor any other War Party.

Dude (may I call you dude?), you live in Texas? Your state has not produced an electoral vote for a democrat in over thirty years. Simply by paying state taxes in Texas you are by default supporting the republican candidate who is already projected to win your state by a landslide. Vote any candidate you want - it won't make a whit of differece in the outcome. If you want to make a difference, kindly move to New Mexico. Thank you for your patience.

Well said Baracuda .... so am I the only one still paying all the various taxes that support "our" war machine?

I've said it before ... Mario said it best:

Mario Savio: Sproul Hall Steps, December 2, 1964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

[ Poll ] Strike to End War? What Will It Take?
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=17619

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:52 pm**

I'm no super-fan of Obama, but it is abundantly clear to me that you have four choices:

1 - Vote for McCain, who will continue the Bush doctrines

2 - Vote for Obama, who may continue the Bush doctrines

3 - Vote independant or write in a vote, which will make no difference to the outcome whatsoever.

4 - Move. to Canada, Mexico, Mozambique, wherever.

Given these options, I am voting Obama. Fine, so he wants to send in 2 divisions to Afganistan. That sucks. But, he also wants to rebuild our crumbling cities, make use reasonably energy independant, revamp our healthcare system, etc. etc.

Life is a series of trade-offs. There's no getting around that. In this case I'll trade the potential good aspects of Obama with the terrible aspects of McCain.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:52 pm**

elfismiles wrote: so am I the only one still paying all the various taxes that support "our" war machine?

No, sir, we all lay claim to the shame.

Re: striking - The poll had a flaw, in that I believe that ordinary people could produce a strike which would bring this country to its knees without the aid of the military, the police, etc. Not that I would advocate that on a public message board.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:55 pm**

barracuda wrote:
elfismiles wrote: so am I the only one still paying all the various taxes that support "our" war machine?

No, sir, we all lay claim to the shame.

Re: striking - The poll had a flaw, in that I believe that ordinary people could produce a strike which would bring this country to its knees without the aid of the military, the police, etc. Not that I would advocate that on a public message board.

Yes, that poll was thrown together out of frustration for this whole flawed situation we all find ourselves in.

And I do publicly advocate a UNIVERSAL STRIKE by ordinary people to bring this country back to sanity NOW.

And yes, you may call me "Dude."

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:33 pm**

elfismiles wrote:"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

"Not taking part" is a choice as well. And when that choice results in a McCain presidency, you are as much to blame for that as anyone who voted for him. To claim otherwise is delusional.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:38 pm**

nomo wrote:If by "not supporting" Obama you will hand the presidency to McCain, will you feel better?

nomo, suggesting that my "not supporting" Obama makes me responsible for handing over the presidency to McCain is outright sick, double-bind logic.

I, personally, will feel better by not playing into the illusion of a democracy for the people, by the people. Don't be fooled in thinking that Obama or McCain will answer to the people who elect them. They answer to the powers who have already groomed and installed them.

Ok, lets just assume for a moment that this up-coming election wont be stolen like the last two. Let's just assume that the hidden powers haven't done their research and found the hinge districts in the state or two that the election can be swung from by programming the voting machines accordingly. Let's just assume that the elections will in fact represent the choice of the people.

Is it a real choice? Let me offer my answer by way of an illustration:

Say we're all sentenced to death and our executioners allow us to vote on how we'll go. We get to choose between lethal injection, or hanging, or firing squad, or starvation, or the electric chair. Get my point? No matter what our vote, whether the outcome is fixed or not, we all die. Death is death no matter how its done...

[on edit: not to say our vote isn't important here, for i certainly would prefer to die by lethal injection than by hanging or starvation. see, there are painless and painful ways to die. no pain please.)

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:43 pm**

elfismiles wrote:
And yes, you may call me "Dude."

"Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:43 pm**

elfismiles wrote:Why I'll Never Support Interventionist Warmonger Obama nor any other War Party.

Heard this bit on the radio last night and I nearly puked in disgust.

Biden's invocation of 911 / War on Terror and Obama's desire for more troops in Afghanistan ... @ 4 minutes 10 seconds into this clip:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8478259934

"Or should you believe Barack Obama who said a year ago 'we need to send two more combat battalions to Afghanistan.' <sheeple cheers> The fact of the matter is al-Qaeda and the Taleban, the people who actually attacked us on 911, they've regrouped in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and they are plotting new attacks. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has echoed Barack's call for more troops. John McCain was wrong and Barack Obama was right. <sheeple cheers>"

GET YER WAR ON FOLKS!

F*ing sickening.

It's interesting that there are several folks on the RI board that involve themselves politically through the trashing of Obama.

And yet, they are silent about McCain.

Think about it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:43 pm**

Good. Don't support Obama. It doesn't matter, especially if you live in a solidly democratic state. Your vote doesn't count. They aren't going to let a black guy be president anyway. Why are we even having this discussion still? Giving the election any attention at all is a waste. Why not focus on local elections that actually matter?

If anyone out there lives in Mass, vote yest on Question A and tell everyone you know to vote as well.

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