Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:22 am

That is also crazy in turn. Small world, I guess. But as I have been saying like a million times here, I witnessed the far fascist right try to wrest control of the "scene". They preyed upon kids. I have no idea where these dicks came from, but came they did. The infiltrated the malls and in fact some kid would come to school when I was in the 8th grade and hear "you know that guy's 21?" I would say, your brother's "friends" were influenced by the right wing, well financed, crew that tried to overtake that area of the US. They totally tried. They still try.

See Alan Berg:

Alan Berg (January 1, 1934 – June 18, 1984) was an American attorney and Denver, Colorado, talk radio show host. Berg was notable for his largely liberal, outspoken viewpoints and confrontational interview style.

On the evening of June 18, 1984, Berg was fatally shot in the driveway of his Denver town home by members of the white nationalist group, The Order. He died immediately. Ultimately, two members of The Order, David Lane and Bruce Pierce, were convicted for their involvement in the case, though neither of homicide.

Alan Berg's life and death were chronicled in the book, Talked to Death: The Life and Murder of Alan Berg by Stephen Singular. The book was an inspiration for the films Betrayed and Talk Radio.


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I tried to do a HS thesis about Berg and called the station and they told me that they had no recordings of him. That was when KOA was heading into its rightward lean. Also the rise of rish limbaigh.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:29 pm

Witness tampering alleged in Oklahoma bomb trial


By Associated Press July 31 at 5:55 PM
SALT LAKE CITY — A federal judge in Utah has ordered an FBI agent to court next month to respond to allegations that he tampered with a witness who backed out of testifying in a trial about Oklahoma City bombing videos.

Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue told U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups this week that former government operative John Matthews decided not to testify after the FBI agent contacted him and pressured him not to do so.


Attorney Kathryn Wyer said Thursday that the FBI in Utah gave her a much different version of events. Wyer said John Matthews reached out to the agency to ask how he could get out of testifying.

Waddoups says the allegation is too serious to ignore. He set a court date of Aug. 25 for the agent to testify.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:17 am

JUDGE ORDERS FBI TO INVESTIGATE WITNESS TAMPERING
Aug. 25, 2014 6:15 PM EDT


Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue leaves federal court Monday, Aug. 25, 2014, in Salt Lake City. A federal judge has ordered the FBI to scrutinize allegations one of its agents pressured a witness not to testify in a trial about videos related to the Oklahoma City bombing.Trentadue claims the FBI urged a former government operative not to testify, which the agency calls baseless. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
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Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue looks down before speaking with the media outside of federal court Monday, Aug. 25, 2014, in Salt Lake City. A federal judge has ordered the FBI to scrutinize allegations one of its agents pressured a witness not to testify in a trial about videos related to the Oklahoma City bombing. Trentadue claims the FBI urged a former government operative not to testify, which the agency calls baseless. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
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Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue speaks to the media outside of federal court Monday, Aug. 25, 2014, in Salt Lake City. A federal judge has ordered the FBI to scrutinize allegations one of its agents pressured a witness not to testify in a trial about videos related to the Oklahoma City bombing. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A federal judge has ordered the FBI to scrutinize allegations that the agency pressured a witness not to testify in a trial about videos related to the Oklahoma City bombing.

U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups said the agency needs to get to the bottom of the claims from Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue, who said that the FBI threatened to cut off a former government operative's benefits if he appeared in court.

An FBI attorney said Monday that Trentadue's allegations are baseless, and the only contact the agency was a cold call John Matthews placed to the Salt Lake City field office when he decided on his own not to testify. But Waddoups decided the lawyer's report raises disturbing questions, and he wanted evidence that the agency has thoroughly investigated the matter.

"If all of this is nonsense, let's bring this in and put an end to it," the judge said. Waddoups ordered the attorneys to present the results of the witness-tampering investigation on Nov. 13.

The hearing is the latest in a case that reignited questions about whether others were involved in the bombing that killed 168 people. Trentadue argues surveillance videos from 1995 show Timothy McVeigh had an accomplice. The agency says its investigators have done a reasonable search and found no evidence of additional unreleased videos.

Matthews was supposed to testify during a late July bench trial, but Trentadue argued that he backed out at the last minute because the FBI threatened to cut off his veteran's and disability benefits.

An agent was expected to testify Monday, but FBI attorney Kathryn Wyer said he shouldn't be exposed to allegations of misconduct for taking Matthews' phone call.

"This is another one of Mr. Trentadue's conspiracy theories," she said.

Under sharp questioning from the judge, Wyer said the agency didn't present more evidence of its position because no one connected to the FBI was involved with Matthews' decision not to testify.

Trentadue said Matthews was part of a stealth government operation before the Oklahoma City bombing tracking militia movements of which McVeigh was a part, and his testimony could support the idea that there was a second suspect.

Matthews told him and a colleague that he had been pressured in phone calls just before and after he was supposed to testify, the lawyer said. The FBI pointed to an emailed statement from Matthews saying that he had made the decision on his own.

Ultimately, Trenatdue wants the judge to let him search for tapes in the FBI archives.

He said a tape showing a second suspect would explain why his brother was flown to Oklahoma months after the bombing. His brother, who resembled a sketch of a suspect, died in a federal holding cell.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby elfismiles » Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:32 pm

WND Exclusive
Judge to FBI: Go probe yourself on OKC bombing
Lawyer: Agency 'threatened witness' in case involving videotape
Published: 20 hours ago

A federal judge has ordered the FBI to investigate allegations the agency intimidated a witness into not testifying at a recent Freedom of Information trial related to evidence in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people.



This new court order, issued Aug. 26 by U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups, marks the second time in a month Waddoups has instructed the FBI to investigate itself over allegations of witness tampering in the case brought by Salt Lake City lawyer Jesse Trentadue.

Waddoups has now scheduled a Nov. 13 hearing on the matter, in which Trentadue accuses the FBI of threatening to eliminate a former undercover agent’s health benefits if the agent took the stand to testify against the government.

The former agent, John Matthews, reportedly met convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh while working undercover for 10 years in the FBI’s Operation PATCON, which focused on infiltrating rightwing militia groups during the 1990s.

Trentadue had lined up Matthews to testify during last month’s trial in the Freedom of Information suit he filed against the FBI in 2008. He alleges in the suit that the agency has not turned over all of the videotapes it has of the events leading up to and including the detonation of the bomb on April 19, 1995, that killed 168 people in the Alfred P. Murrah federal building.

But at the last minute, Matthews, a Vietnam veteran who is terminally ill with cancer, backed out.

“He was told he should take a vacation and that if he did testify he should suffer from a case of the ‘I don’t remembers,’” Trentadue told the judge back in July.

Trentadue said Matthews was threatened by the FBI with the loss of his disability and other veteran benefits if he took the stand and testified honestly.

The FBI disputes this and claims that Matthews contacted them, asking how he could get out of his commitment to testify.

According to court documents, Matthews planned to testify that he believed the FBI was monitoring bomber Timothy McVeigh in the days and weeks leading up to the bombing — information that Trentadue believes the agency wants to suppress. He believes the videos will show a second man in the truck with McVeigh and that second man could have been an undercover government agent.

“Mr. Matthews also told me that exposing the fact that he had been threatened by the FBI would be ‘good insurance’ against any future retaliation against him from the bureau,” Trentadue said in a sworn statement filed at the federal court in Salt Lake City.

Trentadue’s sworn statement continues:

“During that conversation, Mr. Matthews related to me the events leading up to his refusal to testify, including the name of the FBI agent who had contacted him, Adam Quirk. Mr. Matthews told me that he was first contacted by Agent Quirk after the Court denied defendants’ Motion in Limine designed to keep Mr. Matthews from testifying. According to Mr. Matthews, Agent Quirk had called him several times, telling him that it would be best for everyone if he did not testify. Agent Quirk told Mr. Matthews to take a vacation so that he could not be subpoenaed, and if he was subpoenaed that Mr. Matthews should answer questions put to him about PATCON with ‘I don’t recall.’”

FBI attorney Kathryn Wyer told Waddoups at Monday’s hearing that Trentadue’s allegations have no basis in fact, dismissing them as “another one of [his] conspiracy theories.”

But Waddoups, in his Aug. 26 court order obtained by WND, was not ready to dismiss Trentadue’s allegations.

“The court agrees that, with the information provided in the two sworn Declarations provided by Plaintiff (Trentadue), one of which by Plaintiff himself as an officer of the court, the current record at least permits a reasonable inference of wrongdoing by Defendant (the FBI) or its agents in influencing Mr. Matthews not to testify.”

Waddoups cited possible violations of a federal rule of evidence which serves as “a prophylactic rule to deal with abhorrent behavior ‘which strikes at the heart of the system of justice itself.’”

Waddoups further stated in the court record that if Trentadue’s allegations of witness tampering are proven to have merit under cross examination at the Nov. 13 hearing, then the bench trial that was held last month could be reopened with Matthews ordered to appear on the witness stand.

“This would have implications for Plaintiff’s proffer of Mr. Matthews’s testimony in the bench trial – possibly requiring, as Plaintiff has requested, the reopening of the bench trial for the limited purpose of allowing Plaintiff to put into evidence his proffer as to what Matthews told him about PATCON.”

Waddoups said that any attempt by a defendant, in this case the FBI, “to persuade a witness not to testify is properly admissible against him as an indication of his own belief that his claim is weak or unfounded or false.”

Trentadue sued the FBI for alleged violations of the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, claiming the agency has videotapes it failed to turn over that show McVeigh had another man with him in the Ryder truck that pulled up to the Alfred P. Murrah federal building on April, 19, 1995, packed with explosives. This “John Doe No. 2″ was spotted by more than 20 witnesses as being with McVeigh in the days leading up to the bombing, and at least half-a-dozen witnesses claim to have seen the two together on April 19, before the bomb was detonated.

The government claims McVeigh acted alone.

Trentadue could not be reached for comment this week about the new court order and the upcoming November hearing and was unresponsive to emails.

The last time he spoke with WND was on Aug. 18 when he said he understood why Matthews would not want to testify after talking with the FBI.

“I understand, he is in bad health and very vulnerable. He is a very brave guy,” Trentadue said. “To do what he did for 10 years he had to be brave. I don’t blame John (for backing out). He said he had to look out for himself.”

Trentadue says he began investigating the bombing to seek justice for his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, 44, who was found hanged in his cell at the U.S. Bureau of Prisons’ Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City. He believes his brother, a convicted bank robber who was picked up for parole violations, was mistaken for a suspected co-conspirator in the bombing and died in an FBI interrogation that went awry and was covered up by prison officials.

Trentadue is asking the federal court in Salt Lake City to allow him to search FBI evidence rooms himself for the missing video, as reported earlier by WND.

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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:45 am

Exclusive: Oklahoma City Bombing Breakthrough, Part 1 of 2
April 22, 2015 by Roger Charles


Two decades have passed since the April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing. It was the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in American history, and 168 people died, including 19 children.



The attack on the Murrah Federal Building was said to be the work of Timothy McVeigh and two confederates, described as right-wing extremists with an anti-government agenda. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection and Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were given prison sentences.

Now, however, major cracks have appeared in the federal government’s story—a story long considered by some victims’ families to be little more than a stonewall of mendacity and distortion. New revelations suggest that the government may be covering up prior interactions between intelligence services and the accused. In this way, Oklahoma City poses some of the same questions raised by 9/11 and the Boston Marathon Bombing—other national security traumas where Washington has worked hard to block potentially devastating disclosures.

***

Probably the most significant new development is multiple confirmations of past allegations that a German intelligence operative with ties to one or more US agencies, Andreas Strassmeir, aka “Andy the German,” had a close and extensive relationship with McVeigh.

Based on 19 years of active investigation by this reporter—including hundreds of interviews, over two score field trips, and unique access to critical documents—information presented herein leads to a hugely important finding: the FBI was aware of the Strassmeir–McVeigh relationship and was monitoring McVeigh’s activities at a never-before-revealed level approaching “close surveillance.”

Contrary to Strassmeir’s long-standing claim, endorsed by the Department of Justice, that he and McVeigh had a single, brief, inconsequential meeting at a Tulsa, Oklahoma, gun show two years before the bombing, several credible sources assert the relationship was far more substantive.

If correct, that could fundamentally alter Americans’ understanding of the way their government goes about protecting American lives—or, in the case of Oklahoma City, failing to… with tragic results.

The Murrah Federal Building two days after the bombing.
The Murrah Federal Building two days after the bombing.

“Andy the German”: an informant for certain, maybe a provocateur

A very senior retired CIA official, speaking on background to me in 2006, said he had read an in-house study examining whether the Agency had any “exposure” in OKBOMB (the FBI Major Case name for the bombing investigation).

While the study cleared the US spy agency, it identified a German intelligence operative as being involved. This individual was Andreas Strassmeir. According to my source, although the CIA report stated that Strassmeir worked for the German government, it also said that the intelligence he was collecting on McVeigh had been shared with the FBI.

Strassmeir came to the United States and became active in right wing and neo-Nazi circles, ultimately becoming security director of Elohim City, an extremist “Christian Identity” enclave in eastern Oklahoma. Run by the “Reverend” Robert Millar, a cunning manipulator who also served as a Cooperating Source for the FBI—think “Whitey Bulger of the Ozarks”—Elohim City was a major way-station for neo-Nazi and other white supremacists who in 1983 declared war on what they termed the Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG). Strassmeir began living there in August 1991.

But he did not fit the profile of an angry social misfit living in the pinewoods. His father had been a high-level apparatchik in the German national government, and his brother was a Berlin city councilman. Strassmeir himself had served in positions of authority in the German Army.

***

In March 1997, as McVeigh’s trial was unfolding in Denver federal district court, the Department of Justice provided his defense team with a large dump of discovery materials. These included reports from interviews by FBI agent Robert Blecksmith with officials in seven “federal government law enforcement and intelligence agencies to determine if ANDREAS CARL STRASSMEIR was ever a cooperating witness or confidential source.”

The subject of these interviews was raised by McVeigh’s principal defense attorney, Stephen Jones. He wanted to know if Strassmeir ever had any kind of relationship with any federal agency.

Six entities—Customs, Defense Intelligence Agency, Internal Revenue Service, National Security Agency, Secret Service, Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshals Service—responded that they had found no relevant records. (Interestingly, no request was made of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), which would have had an interest in weapons activities at Elohim City.)

But the response of the CIA’s Office of General Counsel was quite different. Attorney Linda Cipriani revealed only that she had provided to DOJ attorney Beth Wilkinson “the results [of a records search] to determine if Strassmeir, white male date of birth 5/17/59, had ever worked for or been affiliated with her agency.” But that did not answer Agent Blecksmith’s question.

Note that Cipriani did not declare unambiguously, as did six other federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, that there was “no record or information indicating that Strassmeir” had any relationship with those agencies.

Understandably, McVeigh’s attorney was eager to learn exactly what had turned up in that CIA records search on Strassmeir. But that information was never disclosed. Jones requested that the presiding judge, Richard Matsch, order DOJ to share the information presented it by the CIA, but Matsch refused to do so.

***

So, were McVeigh, Nichols and Fortier disgruntled domestic terrorists operating on their own? Apparently not, according to one long-time FBI Confidential Informant (CI).

Shortly after the April 19, 1995, bombing, John Matthews, a CI targeting right wing and neo-Nazi groups (but expressly forbidden to target OKBOMB-related information), reported to his FBI handler information relevant to McVeigh. Matthews recounted how, a few years before the Oklahoma City attack, he had attended a weekend training session in Austin, Texas, for a suspect paramilitary group. While at this meeting, Matthews met two ex-soldiers, introduced as “Tim” and “Andy.”

In the post-bombing media deluge, Matthews realized that “Tim” was Timothy McVeigh, When Matthews related his information about “Tim” and “Andy the German” to Don Jarrett of Phoenix, his FBI handler, Jarrett responded, “We know, John. Don’t worry about it. We got it covered.”

Newsweek confirmed this statement, and others, by Matthews in preparing its November 28, 2011, cover story on white supremacists.

Further corroboration of extensive interactions between McVeigh and Strassmeir come from Bill Buford, the retired former head of the Little Rock ATF office. Buford said on the record that he knew of both verbal and written reports putting McVeigh at Elohim City. He also stated that while none of this material was provided to the defense teams in discovery, it was included in an FBI summary report sent to DOJ.

Additionally, FBI Agent James Carlile, has said on the record: “…McVeigh had been in there [Elohim City] and probably tried to recruit somebody… ”

Why is Strassmeir Important?

Strassmeir has always been the enigmatic key to understanding the Oklahoma City bombing. His crucial role began to be documented in August 1994, when the Tulsa, Oklahoma, ATF office recruited as a paid Confidential Informant a Tulsa debutante who had become involved in white supremacist activities after surviving a near-assault by several African-American males. Designated CI-183, she gained ready access to Elohim City, visiting almost weekly and staying on occasion for several weeks until a short time before the bombing. She got to know Strassmeir well.

Less than a half year before the Oklahoma City bombings, Tulsa ATF issued a remarkable report. In its November 1994 monthly Report of Investigation (ROI) on CI-183’s activities—sent both to the regional ATF office in Dallas and directly to ATF headquarters in Washington (signifying a very high-profile case)—it described Strassmeir as follows:

He was born in 1959 and served in the West German military starting in 1979. He was an infantry officer. His plans are to forcibly act to destroy the US Government with direct actions and operations such as assassinations, bombing and mass shootings. He believes the biggest enemy to be the United States Government (ZOG).

Tulsa ATF targets Strassmeir

The Oklahoma City bombing story is significant on many levels. One important aspect is what it shows about the welter of agencies that are as often investigating and arresting each other’s shadowy operatives as they are cooperating. Nowhere is this more apparent than in regard to Elohim City, where several of the key “extremists” may well have been government agents unwittingly egging one another on.

This kind of compartmentalization, while perhaps understandable in intelligence operations, nonetheless can lead to tragedy. That may be what happened in the case of Oklahoma City, when ATF’s efforts to nab the German were thwarted by other entities.

Here’s what happened, as reconstructed from documents and interviews.

Within two weeks of ATF’s report on Strassmeir, David Roberts, Resident Agent in Charge (RAC) of the Tulsa ATF, set in motion plans to raid Elohim City and arrest the German. He would, it was assumed, be held as a “criminal alien” (having an expired visa) in possession of firearms. Strassmeir’s illegal possession of firearms—(a felony under 18 US Code 992(g)—triggered ATF jurisdiction.

Contemporaneous records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) show that in early December 1994, Tulsa ATF requested a “certificate of non-existence of lawful permanent residence” from INS headquarters in Washington. A January 5, 1995, INS record stated that Tulsa ATF “request [INS] participation in Raid – next month.” (Prior to the reorganization leading to establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, INS was a part of Department of Justice, and ATF was an agency of the Department of Treasury.)

On February 16, 1995, ATF headquarters formally certified that no paperwork existed to back up Strassmeir’s “lawful admission to the United States as an immigrant.” He was now fair game for arrest in a joint ATF/INS raid.

While INS’s wheels were slowly grinding in Washington, Tulsa ATF accelerated pre-raid preparations. On February 7, its agents conducted an aerial reconnaissance of Elohim City, using an Oklahoma State Highway Patrol aircraft and pilot. The ATF Report of Investigation (ROI) for February stated, “Both photographs and video were taken.”

(ATF Tulsa records during this time begin to show an increasing concern to withhold what was seen as very sensitive information. But, the bane of any such effort—too much paper, too widely distributed—does allow for a relatively complete picture of these crucial days and events.)

Now that INS had certified Strassmeir as an illegal alien, Tulsa ATF requested that Oklahoma Highway Patrol issue a “BOLO” (Be On the Look Out”) for “Strassmeir. Titled, “BOLO for Security Chief at Elohim City Compound,” and naming “Andreas Strassmeir” as the target, it stated:

—Came to USA in 5/91, passport was good until 8/91. He never left the country. INS says he does not have an extension on his VISA.



—Carries a .45 auto pistol at all times.

—He is an illegal alien, ATF wants to be notified if he is stopped and has the gun on him. They will file the charges.

—Contact: [information for CI-183’s ATF handler was listed]



These plans were brought to a sudden halt. To find out why—and what happened next—check back for Part II tomorrow.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:29 pm

Thanks. The second one is now up as well.

Very interesting.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby conniption » Tue May 26, 2015 4:30 am

The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk
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Published on May 11, 2015

TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=14714

Timothy McVeigh. We've been told so much about him, the Oklahoma City bombing, and what it meant for America. But what if it's all a lie? Join us today for this special Corbett Report podcastumentary as we examine the multiple trucks, multiple bombs, government informants, faked executions and other pieces of information suggesting that McVeigh was not a "lone wolf bomber" at all but a sheepdipped special forces operative working for the government, exactly as he claimed.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby temp-monitor » Tue May 26, 2015 6:07 am

I'm almost willing to bet the truth behind World Trade Center 1993 and Oklahoma City 1995 will come out way before 9/11.


Why are those three events regarded as separate?

World Trade Center 1993 and Oklahoma City 1995 both share multiple players (and international countries, including Germany) with 9/11.

Oklahoma City 1995 shares many interesting dimensions with 9/11, including links to Norman, Oklahoma. Norman, Oklahoma is where Atta's & Al-Shehhi's Hamburg CIA surveillor David Edger travelled to join the University of Oklahoma. Atta & Al-Shehhi coincidentally went to Norman, Oklahoma to visit Wiley Post Flight School. And to visit Zacarias Moussaoui, who attended the University of Oklahoma-owned flight school. Zacarias Moussaoui met future Iraq beheading victim Nick Berg, who lent the perfect stranger Moussaoui his e-mail password & laptop on a Norman, Oklahoma bus that had Wifi in 1999 before buses had Wifi, according to the FBI who found Berg's e-mail password on Moussaoui's laptop. Not least of all is former Senator & Rhodes scholar David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma, who was George Tenet's mentor & CIA directorship sponsor. Boren was having breakfast with Tenet at the moment of WTC-1 being struck.

There's more, too about Norman, Oklahoma, including Bush-cousin Wirt Walker & Stratesec. But I won't get into that now.

Because Norman, Oklahoma is just a small world.

How else do 9/11 & OKC overlap? The Terrorist Motel: http://www.laweekly.com/news/the-terror ... el-2135106

But most obviously important of all: If OKC was an "FBI sting operation" gone wrong OR an intentional false flag ... either way, as a common organized crime tactic, it tainted Bill Clinton and guaranteed his silence about 9/11. His opponents "got the goods" on Bill's witting or partially-witting participation in a terrorist attack that killed children.

I'm willing to bet that Iran-Contra & BCCI were also preliminary and connected to 9/11.

And that 9/11 was also preliminary to an upcoming West Coast event (let's call it, for the sake of symmetry, "11/9"), and that both these events are preliminary to a final military "takeover" (as promised in 2014 by Richard Cheney ... let's call it "4/04").

And I think you'll find, after all is said and done, that all roads lead to Operation Condor.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing, A Conspiracy Unravelled

Postby chump » Tue May 26, 2015 6:27 pm

...But most obviously important of all: If OKC was an "FBI sting operation" gone wrong OR an intentional false flag ... either way, as a common organized crime tactic, it tainted Bill Clinton and guaranteed his silence about 9/11. His opponents "got the goods" on Bill's witting or partially-witting participation in a terrorist attack that killed children...


BC never would've been inclined to blow the whistle on 9/11.

...Not least of all is former Senator & Rhodes scholar David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma, who was George Tenet's mentor & CIA directorship sponsor. Boren was having breakfast with Tenet at the moment of WTC-1 being struck...


Stratesec... Condor... gotta keep those guys busy doing something.





http://www.whale.to/b/condor.html

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ ... sh-family/



Of course, Boren was also S&B's - class of '63.
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