140 years of ufo sightings

[jingofever]

Part one.
Part two.
Part three.

They're slideshows. Annoying ones where you have to go picture by picture unless you put a number into the url. The second picture is number one so to see picture n you need to put '?image=n-1' at the end of the url.

[8bitagent]

So why did UFO's go from saucer craft(like in ancient Hindu texts, cave paintings, medieval paintings, rennaissance paintings, ect)

...to "phantom airships" in the 1800's...

then back to saucers by the 20's, 30's and especially 40's...

And now to the cigar shaped craft, orbs in clusters, mile long black triangle..and the new favorite: dimensional unfolding morphing UFO's?

Either those inter planetary catalogs sure offer a wide selection of
crafts...or there's some sneaky tricksterism going on, and not of a 'government black ops/swamp gas' variety.

Thanks for the link, as many of these are the famous ones..its such a trip to get a retrospective.

The 1952 DC armada and the 1942 "battle of los angeles" are classics.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

So why did UFO's go from saucer craft(like in ancient Hindu texts, cave paintings, medieval paintings, rennaissance paintings, ect)

...to "phantom airships" in the 1800's...

then back to saucers by the 20's, 30's and especially 40's...

And now to the cigar shaped craft, orbs in clusters, mile long black triangle..and the new favorite: dimensional unfolding morphing UFO's?

Either those inter planetary catalogs sure offer a wide selection of
crafts...or there's some sneaky tricksterism going on, and not of a 'government black ops/swamp gas' variety.

Thanks for the link, as many of these are the famous ones..its such a trip to get a retrospective.

The 1952 DC armada and the 1942 "battle of los angeles" are classics.

Giants (the sons of angels) became dwarfs, and Djinn became people, and evil spirits were cast into herds of pigs, and werewolves became men again once they'd been killed, and the little people stole children and replaced them with others, and there was a long scientific debate about how many angels could fit on the end of a pin (I can't remember the end result - I would've said 'none'.).

And you're asking why?

The cosmic giggle (good phrase) is building to a guffaw, I think. The types of supernatural beings who are recorded as having contacted people, long before the current UFO craze, have changed their shape alongside the changes in their aircraft. To some folk this suggests many different species, or armies, of extraterrestrial visitor throughout history. To me it suggests a shape-shifter from the subconcious having a laugh with us all, or a universal chunk in the collective unconcious.



Shakespeare's better than me. It took me a while to accept it, but he just is:

Othello says of his wars: "It was my hint to speak, such was the process;
of the cannibals that each other eat,
The anthropophagi, and men whose heads
do grow beneath their shoulders."

Obviously talking about a visit to Dumfries, there.

Macbeth: "Stones have been known to move, and trees to speak."

The Hamlet's too famous to quote. But it all boils down to the same thing. Whatever the strange thing is, it adapts to circumstance, and applies itself to a specific viewership. Hence El Duende in South America, and the Little People here. And the dwarves in Nordic myth. And wee folk in every culture.

And also big folk in every culture. And flying stuff. And holes in the ground that lead to hell.

[8bitagent]

Hence El Duende in South America, and the Little People here. And the dwarves in Nordic myth. And wee folk in every culture.

And also big folk in every culture. And flying stuff. And holes in the ground that lead to hell.

And DMT machine elves, Mothman, Men in Black, phantom clowns, alien mantids, and on and on:)

If someone was to read all of Jeff's "high weirdness" blogs for instance...
you either get the impression that somewhere, there's an inter dimensional/galactic United Nations or convention where hairy UFO dwarves, elves, fairies, gnomes, specters, greys, mothmen, bigfoot, loch ness, ect are all hanging out having a few beers.

Or, its all just trickery, similar to what the CIA has done. But on a much larger scale. I can't explain why locals in Romania and Serbia swear up and down they see flying men. Or in Mexico they claim to see hideous flying witches on brooms. Or in South America, its pointy hatted lawn gnomes scuttling about. Or the endless hundreds of thousands of recounted 'grey encounters'.

Despite my distaste for Christianity, I take a more Christian position on this stuff, with also a nod to Keel and Vallee.

There are reasons for things. There is reasons why countless kids across America in 1981 claim they saw killer clowns in vans try to abduct them. Or why 62 Zimbabwe school children said they saw 3 grey aliens get out of a saucer. Theres a reason for the very real and provable Mothman flap, or the late 70's Brazillian UFO flap.

What does it all mean? I think it means humans are cattle in some circles.

And when Discovery Channel spends millions and years to intimately capture never before seen moments of wildlife from the arctic to the Serengetti plains...one has to wonder, where is their factor in all of this?

Sometimes, I wish I believed in Christianity. I can see why so many people worldwide believe in a one true religion.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Hence El Duende in South America, and the Little People here. And the dwarves in Nordic myth. And wee folk in every culture.

And also big folk in every culture. And flying stuff. And holes in the ground that lead to hell.

And DMT machine elves, Mothman, Men in Black, phantom clowns, alien mantids, and on and on:)

If someone was to read all of Jeff's "high weirdness" blogs for instance...
you either get the impression that somewhere, there's an inter dimensional/galactic United Nations or convention where hairy UFO dwarves, elves, fairies, gnomes, specters, greys, mothmen, bigfoot, loch ness, ect are all hanging out having a few beers.

Or, its all just trickery, similar to what the CIA has done. But on a much larger scale. I can't explain why locals in Romania and Serbia swear up and down they see flying men. Or in Mexico they claim to see hideous flying witches on brooms. Or in South America, its pointy hatted lawn gnomes scuttling about. Or the endless hundreds of thousands of recounted 'grey encounters'.

Despite my distaste for Christianity, I take a more Christian position on this stuff, with also a nod to Keel and Vallee.

There are reasons for things. There is reasons why countless kids across America in 1981 claim they saw killer clowns in vans try to abduct them. Or why 62 Zimbabwe school children said they saw 3 grey aliens get out of a saucer. Theres a reason for the very real and provable Mothman flap, or the late 70's Brazillian UFO flap.

What does it all mean? I think it means humans are cattle in some circles.

And when Discovery Channel spends millions and years to intimately capture never before seen moments of wildlife from the arctic to the Serengetti plains...one has to wonder, where is their factor in all of this?

Sometimes, I wish I believed in Christianity. I can see why so many people worldwide believe in a one true religion.

I watch those wildlife shows. Evidently, you do too. Could they not just be making these shows because we watch them (and if we watch them, then a hell of a lot of other people do too). It's possible that the producers of these shows are interested in their subject and are proud of what they do, and are simply doing their jobs. I must admit, though, it's a hell of a lot of money to spend when they could just go the Berlusconi Mediaset route and have a topless big-titted woman shaking a plate of jelly at the camera for a half hour.

I think whatever visitors we have, from whatever regions, must find us as curious strange, and possibly scary, as we do them.

I also think they come from inside the earth, but only in a figurative sense. They don't exist until they are witnessed. They don't have a society of their own. Even though the classic sign of the Little People is that we would hear them hammering under the ground, I don't believe they are actually under the ground, or that they are literally working on an extension or anything.

They're us. All of these things are us. And they are therefore indisputably real, and quite scary.

[Penguin]

Wrong!
Japanese have written records of UFO sightings from the 1500s. And I bet there are paintings even earlier. And some apocryphal books also feature these. As do ayahuasca vision portrayals etc. Not 140, thousands of years!

(edit: removed most annoying caps egoboost)

[Penguin]

I think whatever visitors we have, from whatever regions, must find us as curious strange, and possibly scary, as we do them.

I also think they come from inside the earth, but only in a figurative sense. They don't exist until they are witnessed. They don't have a society of their own. Even though the classic sign of the Little People is that we would hear them hammering under the ground, I don't believe they are actually under the ground, or that they are literally working on an extension or anything.

They're us. All of these things are us. And they are therefore indisputably real, and quite scary.

Very good point. Ive often thought of this. How easily will a man squash a weird looking bug walking on your table?
Damn, Ive had some dreams which Ive later come to think might have been some sort of encounters with intelligences. Hard to say when one lacks all the background or experience, culturally, to deal with such things. Sometimes a dream is not a dream but real - that much I know for sure. Meeting distant, real people verifiably, yes.

A friend of mine once saw a gnome. The gnome was sitting in tall grass, under a big mushroom. I did not see either the mushroom or the gnome..But I do know he did I wasnt in quite the same mental space...

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I'm not being funny, Penguin, but my Mum and her sister saw a Gnome once as well. They still talk about it, but not much - they're not keen to talk about it, and not it's not cos they're scared of ridicule, or or the crushing reality of it, or anything like that. They just don't talk about it, much. 'Cos it's not that big a deal.

But it was the typical pattern - hammering under the ground, a wee man in a suit rising up through the ground, and running away. Not running away because they'd seen him. Just running like he had somewhere to go.

And he actually was a Gnome. Not just a wee drunk guy who'd been lying in the grass in his suit, hehe.

There is a pattern and a template to a lot of these incidents. They are random and bizarre, but not really. I've seen two UFOs, at the same time, even though I don't believe in aliens, or UFOs, as such. They were lights in the sky which moved in ways I can't explain (I was sober, for once, and had a reliably sober fellow witness). They didn't seem a threat, or even worth bothering about. They just floated about in the sky.
What's the problem?

If I'd later heard that Whitley Streiber had been abducted again near my house I would've started worrying. But they never bothered anybody.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

What are the DMT machine elves? I've got a basic idea of what they are, but what are they really, and what's their significance?

I'm going to have to go back through Jeff's blogs. BTW, 8Bit, I only recently came to agree with you that the Black Lodge posts are a masterpiece. When I first read them, a year or more ago, I thought he'd lost it (sorry Jeff).

[Penguin]

I'm not being funny, Penguin,

I was perfectly serious as well. But not too serious, you know.

[Penguin]

What are the DMT machine elves? I've got a basic idea of what they are, but what are they really, and what's their significance?

I'm going to have to go back through Jeff's blogs. BTW, 8Bit, I only recently came to agree with you that the Black Lodge posts are a masterpiece. When I first read them, a year or more ago, I thought he'd lost it (sorry Jeff).

I cant say...Ive had the fortune of coming upon "changa" once - a smokable form of maoi combined with DMT. Did not see any elves - just the Mother Dragon that entered me and trawled all over and inside outside, while I was awestruck by her presence.

Thou I have to say that personally, I very rarely if ever experience things as personalized entities. I think its a matter of personality as well - thou I couldnt say since I lack the kind of experiences I could compare to.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

You indulged in narcotics! You fiend!

You realise you will go to hell, in my place, even though I've just finished a bottle of vodka and wouldn't recognise a "Mother Dragon" if it walked in here and announced itself. I envy you people who can have transcendental experiences. I applaud you too. Even my paranormal experiences are dull.

Are the DMT elves a bit like the wee mice and sojers from Bagpuss?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUdgRR0SxA

[Penguin]

I wouldnt say there is anything to envy...
Psychedelics arent the only way, and many people say they should be avoided in favour of the traditional methods like different forms of meditation, trance inducing etc.

The old saying that they might take you to the mountaintop, but to get there again, you will still have to climb up yourself Cliche yeah, but doesnt mean it isnt true.

Every night you dream, you are tripping on DMT, I suppose.

[Penguin]

I think sometimes UFO sightings may be simply thoughtforms/projections - this happened once with couple friends. We were riding in a car, and I saw a huge green hot air balloon in the air, and pointed it to my friend. He also joined me in remarking how huge it was. Second friend looks where we point, and says there is no balloon there - and we both see it vanish

[8bitagent]

I watch those wildlife shows. Evidently, you do too. Could they not just be making these shows because we watch them (and if we watch them, then a hell of a lot of other people do too). It's possible that the producers of these shows are interested in their subject and are proud of what they do, and are simply doing their jobs. I must admit, though, it's a hell of a lot of money to spend when they could just go the Berlusconi Mediaset route and have a topless big-titted woman shaking a plate of jelly at the camera for a half hour.

Oh, let me clarify that...I LOVE those planet shows, that show in up close intimate HD detail the life cycles and mundane yet epic adventures of wide swaths of life on our planet. So many of us billions here on Earth NEVER can even begin to understand ALL the untold stories that happen in every pocket of life. Im glad these shows are popular.

My point I meant to say was, what is the significance of religion, or even these Fortean flaps to animals? When polar bears trek with their cubs on seemingly unending journeys, or lions graze in the serengetti...what is their role? Mere, window dressing for a creator?

I think whatever visitors we have, from whatever regions, must find us as curious strange, and possibly scary, as we do them.

That might be true if...

I also think they come from inside the earth, but only in a figurative sense. They don't exist until they are witnessed. They don't have a society of their own. Even though the classic sign of the Little People is that we would hear them hammering under the ground, I don't believe they are actually under the ground, or that they are literally working on an extension or anything.

They're us. All of these things are us. And they are therefore indisputably real, and quite scary.

It would be ridiculous for me to assume every one of the thousands of humanoid reports(forget which site that is) are hoaxes or just drug trips.
And each story is so bizarre, it seems like it'd defy imagination to make this stuff up. I myself for a long time have been aware since I was little
of things so bizarre, you'd get laughed out of someone's presence for mentioning them. Bizarre shit. Stuff better left not said.

Which has lead me to believe there has long been a millennial long campaign to fuck with, scare, trick, ect people in the most creative and strange manner possible. A Satanic agenda. I can hardly see any possiblity(apologies to the UFOlogy/new age crowd) how the UFO/alien phenomenon is not central to this agenda.

Now. if one believes in a Satanic agenda...well, then what would be the point? Is it to "trick people away from Christ" as some Christians believe. Aw, but this is assuming that Christ really is the way, and Christianity is good.

When I talk about 9/11, the assassination of Lady Di, ect being orchestrated in a fashion to which cannot be detected...I almost have to wonder, if there was more than a human hand guiding these events. Because some of the details don't support the official story or the conspiracy version. But an almost Fortean x factor.

One of the most creepy stories I read on RI, was actually in the comments section(a cesspool sometimes) Someone recounted how
they had moved into a new house, and found themselves being dragged off the bed by old Eastern European looking tiny people...trying to drag them into a hole made in a cabinet. I have to say I kind of believe it.

There was a famous case of theosophist linked brothers who were said to have created a nether world portal carnival show on a farm for spectators, something that many say could not have been mere light tricks or fakery.