Seriously, How Many Damn People Filmed JFK's Death?

[8bitagent]

My friend's been showing me a bunch of rarely seen JFK assassination footage from all sorts of cameras. Damn thing was caught on camera by almost as many people who filmed Flight 175 strikes.

Youve all seen the Zapruder film...but have you guys seen:

****EDIT 2 to include Barracuda's links******

The Elsie Dorman footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdJnKQzl-Y

Malcom Couch footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYN8VLf_04

The Jack Martin footage(really good zoom around the area as JFK is passing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8dLonVQ ... re=related

Tina Towner footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GTqlR9FCs

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The Patsy Pascall footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiddBtPpdEM

The Charles Bronson footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IIMuBrkc
(dig the giant obelisk with eternal flame as JFK is shot)

Robert Hughes assassination footage(including the Grassy Knoll)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPyzR1c_mc

Marie Muchmore footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hai5xX5kdsQ

Orville Nix footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoYnwGLTayE&NR=1

Discovery channel composits all the best JFK footage together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM

the George Jeffries film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xcxi4Kh_w

And rarest and crazy of them all...

The Mark Bell footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmeQicc6YE

***EDIT: Thanks to Jeff's post here, Im also including
The Dave Weigman footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J0CIlzx ... re=related
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(including zapruder, thats 13 people who filmed it, that weve seen. Not including all the other footage that day, including before the assassination and minutes after, photographs, ect)

So question: How come we only here about the Zapruder film? And man, thats a lot of people filming color footage that day, given the time period.
Do these videos clearly show the limo deliberately slowing down, then speeding off? What can be glean from all these films?

[Penguin]

There are still movies coming out that play with the JFK assassination. I know this will irk professorpan to no end (btw I dont care if the writers just loved this story and wanted to give it artistic expression ), but one of such is Vantage Point. The whole movie is built around one guy who happens to be there with a video camera when a fictitional US president is attempted to assassinate - inside job, how else. He is shown as the lone cameraman, but the story follows different people in the plot. But hes shown as the only civilian shooting it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantage_Point_(film)

"Vantage Point is a 2008 American mystery thriller film from Columbia Pictures, written by Barry Levy and directed by Pete Travis. It stars Dennis Quaid, Matthew Fox, Forest Whitaker with Sigourney Weaver, Édgar Ramírez and William Hurt. It was released on February 22, 2008."

"The film is set in Salamanca, Spain, but it was mostly filmed in Mexico; only some of the scenes were shot in Salamanca. United States President Henry Ashton (William Hurt) is participating in an anti-terrorism summit in Salamanca. Over a twenty-three-minute period, an assassination attempt on the President unfolds. The film loops through this period over and over, each time from the perspective of a different participant, adding a new piece to the larger puzzle with each loop."

"President Ashton's perspective

The scene moves on to the perspective of the real President Ashton. Unknown to the public and GNN, and initially to the film audience, it is a body double of the president that has been shot. The idea of a body double of the President was used after John F. Kennedy was assasinated. Having been informed of a credible assassination threat, he had been returned to his hotel and was waiting for his double to give his speech. During the return to the hotel, the president's advisor, Phil McCullough, advocates an attack on a supposedly related terrorist camp in Morocco. Watching on television, Ashton sees his double walk to his seat and says comically, "He doesn't even look like me." Ashton is upset when he sees that Tom Barnes, who had been shot saving him from a previous assassination attempt, is being put out front to test his recovery. Shortly after, the body double is shot, much to the surprise of the president and his advisors. The immediate reaction of his advisors is to coordinate with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to authorize the camp attack. The president refuses this, citing the fact that he is supposed to be "dead" at that moment, saying that America use the present circumstances to invoke the sympathy of the world. At that moment, the distant explosion that we had previously heard, is revealed to us as a bomb exploded in the lobby of the president's hotel. Seconds later, a masked assailant bursts into the president's room and kills his guards and advisors. At the end of the perspective, the masked assailant is about to shoot the real president."



(Bolded parts just for fun!) Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that in the film the word "plaza" is used umptillion times. "hes on the plaza...go to the plaza..shots in plaza"

[Penguin]

Btw, I didnt know there were other films besides Zapruders.
Not that I have ever dug deeply into it, but still.

[Nordic]

Man, what's up with that "Babushka Lady" film? For some reason she was zoomed right in on the grassy knoll. Everyody was then running to it. Pretty freaking obvious all the witnesses knew the shot came from there, and the Zapruder film proved it.

And that little piece of image is tantalizing, the one that seems to almost show a figure with a gun. But it's impossible to tell. Would be nice to see that one on something other than YouTube. It's difficult to do any kind of a frame-by-frame look on it.

Who was the "Babushka Lady?"

[Penguin]

Nobody would happen to know of a place where you could download them as better quality than flash videos?

[Eldritch]

Who was the "Babushka Lady?"

I don't think anybody really knows for sure—although, personally, I think it was George H. W. Bush in drag.

[Jeff]

For me the Weigman film is the most dramatic, even though it doesn't capture the actual shot.

I was in Dallas on the weekend for the anniversary. First time there. It felt very Time Tunnelish, being in that place. (And now seeing myself appear in crowd shots on the knoll in videos posted to Youtube.)

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I was in Dallas on the weekend for the anniversary. First time there. It felt very Time Tunnelish, being in that place. (And now seeing myself appear in crowd shots on the knoll in videos posted to Youtube.)

Now that would feel strange.

The Weigman film looks a bit like Eraserhead at first (silent unexplained panic, no help whatsoever for the viewer). The first man you really get to see, lying on the grass with his kid, looks so much like JFK from that angle that it's jarring - you think you're seeing even older film for a moment, a family pic from Hyannis or something.

Then you're back at the scene.

I was raised on Zapruder at 12 or 24 month intervals. No one told me there were other films, and to my shame I never bothered to look, even while hanging out here.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

The Charles Bronson footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IIMuBrkc
(dig the giant obelisk with eternal flame as JFK is shot)

Is that the book depository right behind the eternal flame on top of an obelisk? I bet I could zoom in till hell froze over, and I'd never see Oswald in one of those windows. But that's a given.

Obelisks and eternal flames - I always saw your point, 8bit, but seeing it right there before the eyes is a different thing.

Thanks for these films.

Charles Bronson as well... Cosmic Giggle.

[Jeff]

The Weigman film looks a bit like Eraserhead at first (silent unexplained panic, no help whatsoever for the viewer). The first man you really get to see, lying on the grass with his kid, looks so much like JFK from that angle that it's jarring - you think you're seeing even older film for a moment, a family pic from Hyannis or something.

Then you're back at the scene.

That's the Newman family. They didn't change their story about the direction of the kill shot.

The more kids I have, the more poignant it gets.

[8bitagent]

The Charles Bronson footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IIMuBrkc
(dig the giant obelisk with eternal flame as JFK is shot)

Is that the book depository right behind the eternal flame on top of an obelisk? I bet I could zoom in till hell froze over, and I'd never see Oswald in one of those windows. But that's a given.

Obelisks and eternal flames - I always saw your point, 8bit, but seeing it right there before the eyes is a different thing.

Thanks for these films.

Charles Bronson as well... Cosmic Giggle.

In my research, it appears that occult structures are often directly next to or used in "deep state"/NWO events such as JFK, Princess Di, 9/11. Maybe its all a coincidence...

This was right above and slightly to the right of the 13th pilar in the d'palma tunnel where Diana's car crashed:



(black pentagram with an eternal flame)

Remember the numbers used with both JFK and Di:
11/22 is of course quite a toxic occult numerology concoction, and the area he was shot in is rife with "three"(triple underpass, ect)
Princess Di crashed into the 13th pilar, minutes after midnight on the 31st of august(13/31) more mirror numbers

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Thanks Jeff. I am about as far from an expert on the Kennedy assassination as it is possible to get, but that moved me, because my parents would also have shielded me with their own selves. And I sometimes forget how lucky I am.

The Newmans (especially Bill) seem like the kind of people whoknow where gunfire is coming from when they hear it. I doubt the echoes of Dealey Plaza would throw them off - and, of course, they did know where the shots were coming from, because they instictively placed themselves as shields for their children against the point of threat.

@ 8bit. I agree with you about occult landmarks and terrible world historical events. There -I've said it! But I still don't understand it, and never will.

[sunny]

Here is the Babushka Lady:



A woman named Beverly Oliver came forward in the '70's claiming to be her, and wrote a book:



Bev even had a bit part in JFK.

She has been debunked to my satisfaction. She claimed FBI agent Regis Kennedy confiscated her film and I had no idea there was footage out there claiming to originate from the "Babushka Lady".

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Why the Babushka Lady? She's dressed the same as everybody else. Was she a friend of Marina?

And - this may be one of those questions that no one can ever answer - why does the small man at the mid-left of the picture have one of those aliens from the Simpsons extending from his crotch in a speech-bubble?

Unless I'm seeing him the wrong way round.

[Penguin]

No, thats a Simpsons alien all right.
I see it too.