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Postby timetunneler » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:37 am

Big Oil, Earthquakes, Tsunamis : Are they hiding something?

This is not meant to be hard science.... but a look at the coincidence of earthquakes around areas of oil exploration. Nothing more and nothing less. The media, scientists if they had the inclincation to the tell the truth about the subject would be the ones to do it. It seems that there might be some evidence that there is a connection of oil and mineral extraction to earthquakes.

YEAR MG Location
1769 6.0 Los Angeles Basin
1800 6.5 San Diego region
1808 6.0 San Francisco region
1812 7.0 Wrightwood
1812 7.0 Santa Barbara Channel
1827 5.5 Los Angeles region
1836 6.75 Hayward Valley
1838 7.0 San Francisco Peninsula
1852 6.5 Volcano Lake, B.C. (This is an error: It is in Canada)
1855 6.0 Los Angeles region
1856 5.5 San Francisco Peninsula
1857 8.25 Great Fort Tejon earthquake
1858 6.25 San Jose region
1858 6.0 San Bernardino region
1860 6.5 Carson City, Nevada region
1861 5.75 San Ramon Valley
1862 6.0 San Diego region
1864 6.0 S. Santa Cruz Mountains
1864 5.75 E. of San Francisco Bay
1865 6.5 S. Santa Cruz Mountains
1866 6.0 W. San Joaquin Valley
1868 7.0 Hayward fault
1870 6.0 Los Gatos
1871 6.0 Cape Mendocino
1872 7.6 Owens Valley
1872 6.75 Owens Valley
1872 6.25 Owens Valley
1872 6.75 Owens Valley
1872 5.75 Imperial Valley (?)
1873 6.75 Crescent City
1875 6.0 Honey Lake
1875 6.25 Imperial Vly to Colorado R. delta

The list is from here

A few more earthquake lists and histories: ... .htmlstory

January 29, 1767 : Spanish King Charles III orders the Jesuits, who had established a chain of fifteen missions throughout Baja California forcibly expelled. ... California

1769 : The first Franciscan Spanish mission setup camp in 1769 in San Diego. Recording of earthquakes begins with arrival of Spanish missions in California about 1769 ... California

28 Jul 1769 : 6.0 Los Angeles Area Earthquake recorded

August 10, 1854 : U.S, Army first garrisoned at Fort Tejon

Looking at the list of earthquakes above, the date that stands out is 1855. California has always been earthquake prone it seems. Between 1769 and 1855 there are only 8 major earthquakes recorded by the missionaries. But after 1855 the number of earthquakes makes a rapid rise. Did some earthquake recording technology get better? I don't know the exact answer but what interests me is the increase in resource extraction that began about the time of the California gold rush.

1849-1855 : Increase in Oil & Resource Extraction in California

The official history of California's oil exploration begins with the Pico Canyon oil field in 1876. But by 1855 "asphaltum" had been found in areas that would later be drilled for oil and interest grew in extracting it. The U.S. army in 1854 had already setup base at Fort Tejon 52 miles North of Pico canyone and was building

1855 : General Andres Pico's oil explorations
"Pico's ties to California ran too deep for him to consider leaving. He retired to the 16,000-acre Rancho San Fernando, of which he had been the patron, and started exploring nearby canyons. In 1855, he began hauling "asphaltum" out of the canyon that would bear his name."

"California oil was always a valued commodity. When the Spanish explorers landed in California in the 1500s, they found Indians gathering asphaltum (very thick oil) from natural seeps.... The explorers, in turn, used asphaltum to seal seams in their ships. Later settlers also used the thick asphaltum in many ways, including sealing the roofs of their houses." ... _Calif.pdf

"Asphaltum" is oil and gas seeps

"Oil from a Humboldt County seep was sold in 1855, four years before Colonel Drake drilled America’s first oil well in Pennsylvania" ... _Calif.pdf

This article below says a man named Ramon Perea first found asphaltum here in 1855: ... 021704.htm

July 11th, 1855 : 6.0 Earthquake

Accounts from the Missions at San Benito and San Miguel can be found here and document the leadup to the July 11th 1855 earthquake. ... -1860.html

Jan. 9th 1857 : FORT TEJON, CALIFORNIA, records 7.9 Earthquake (location of US Army base)

1876 : Pico Canyon Oilfield
Well No. 4, Pico Canyon Oil Field, located about seven miles (11 km) west of Newhall, California, was the first commercially successful oil well in the Western United States,[3][4][5][6] and is considered the birthplace of California's oil industry.[7]

July 1876 : Drilling Begins at Well No.4 Pico Canyon
"Mentry began drilling Well No. 4 in July 1876..."

September 26,1876 : Well No. 4 Pico Canyon strikes oil
"...and struck oil on September 26, 1876, at a depth of 370 feet (110 m); the well immediately began producing 25 barrels a day."

1849-1855 kicks off a time of major California resource extraction and development with as a byproduct it seems, an increase in the number of earthquakes. The missions as shown in the links above seem to have tracked earthquakes. And the record seems to show an increase right about 1855. That would seem to suggest a relation to resource extraction.

Although American media will not touch the subject of earthquakes and oil drilling the media of other countries aren't so afraid to discuss it. India for one has a lot of people discussing the connection between earthquakes and oil extraction.

"Underwater oil and gas exploration, shrinking magma, magnetic stripping and polar reversal may be causing the sudden high intensity earthquakes in the same area, making Geologists scratch their heads to find out if the quake was an aftershock or a precursor to a coming larger one."

Google Map of Some of Areas Named Above
This map of locations mentioned does not deal with epicenters, just with areas that claimed to feel large earthquakes. So it isn't scientific and does not mean that the earthquakes mentioned were directly tied to the activities at the location mentioned. Just shows you the distances between the areas where some of the activities and earthquakes above were mentioned. ... obispo,+CA

1989-1994 : California Oil Exploration and Earthquakes

"No drilling to look for new deposits has been conducted since 1989 and the last new oil platform off the California coast was built in 1994."

Dec. 7th, 1989 : California Panel Votes to Ban Sales of Offshore Oil Leases

September 19th 1994 :Offshore drilling banned

"Oil companies may lose access to 350 million to 750 million barrels of oil buried beneath state lands offshore, if Gov. Pete Wilson signs a bill which would ban off-shore drilling, a lobbyist for the oil industry told the Business Journal last week. "

September 1994 : California Legislature bans new oil leasing in state waters
"The California State Legislature passes, and Republican Governor Pete Wilson signs into law, a permanent ban on new offshore oil leasing in state waters."

Two very interesting years, 1989 and 1994. Did anything occur in 1989 and 1994 in California that might effect the decision not to drill off the coasts anymore? Yes, before each of those bans there was a major California earthquake. Someone seems to understand the connection between oil exploration and earthquakes. These two dates seem to indicate there are those in power that believe that oil extraction causes earthquakes. If this is the case then it might backup the idea that there was a rapid increase starting around 1855 of big earthquakes in California because of major resource extraction.

October 17, 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake

January 17th 1994 Northridge Earthquake

January 11th, 2002 :
"The Bush administration urged a federal appeals court Thursday to overturn a court order halting proposed oil and natural gas exploration off California’s central coast. The government’s brief to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals came in response to a federal judge’s June decision that blocked exploration off San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties. U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken’s decision stopped attempts to build the first new oil platforms off California’s coast since 1994. No drilling to explore for oil deposits has been conducted since 1989." ... xploration

November 4th, 2005 : Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger resists push for oil drilling in California.

"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday told a key Republican congressman that he opposes any effort to weaken the 24-year-old federal moratorium on new oil drilling off California’s coast. The governor, who has been heavily lobbied on this issue, weighed in a week before the House of Representatives was poised to vote on legislation that could reopen coastal waters around the United States to oil and gas exploration"

June 30th, 2006 : Richard Pombo(co-author of "This Land Is Our Land" with WorldNetDaily founder Joseph Farah) continues to demand offshore drilling[/b]

September 9, 2008 : Dems' offshore drilling plan comes with catch
"Just three years ago Richard Pombo, the cowboy boot-wearing Tracy Republican lawmaker, faced an outcry from Democrats for pushing a bill to lift the 27-year-old ban on drilling off the East and West coasts and let states choose whether to allow oil rigs off their shores.... In a sign of how much the energy debate has shifted in an era of nearly $4-a-gallon gasoline, virtually the same proposal that Pombo floated will be introduced on the House floor this month - by Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."
September 9th, 2008 : ... 12QE1Q.DTL

December 29, 2008 : Prior administration asks to open drilling off the coast of California:
"The bans that protected both of the nation's coasts beginning in 1981, from California to the Pacific Northwest to the Atlantic Coast and the Straits of Florida, ended this year when Congress let the moratorium lapse."
"In California, any exploration and drilling would be close to shore, experts say. In contrast to the Gulf of Mexico, where drilling could occur in waters 10,000 feet deep, California's holdings lie on its narrow, shallow continental shelf, the underwater edge of land where creatures died over the millennia to produce the oil." ... 14QMVE.DTL

Notice the lack of earthquake talk in the paragraph above.


"The energy crush is bringing exploration closer to Yellowstone National Park all the time." ... idaho.html

Energy exploration may push Yellowstone’s charismatic megafauna over the edge ... e_grizzly/

7 Earthquakes In Yellowstone: ... ellowstone

Are the earthquakes in Yellowstone unusual? Apparently the answer is yes.

"In April 2004 there was an increase in earthquake activity at Yellowstone National Park that drew interest from scientists and the public.... There are often 1 to 20 earthquakes recorded in Yellowstone National Park every day. For a few days in April, however, the earthquake activity increased and 400 earthquakes were recorded over a three-day period." ... 4swarm.php

"Scientists are closely monitoring more than 250 small earthquakes that have occurred in Yellowstone National Park since Friday. Swarms of small earthquakes happen frequently in Yellowstone. But Robert Smith, a professor of geophysics at the University of Utah, says it's very unusual to have so many over several days. " ... _article=1

March 17th, 2005 : Senate OKs oil drilling in Alaska's ANWR

January 3, 2008, : Alaska oil exploration to begin

Jul 13, 2008 : Alaska volcano erupts; island residents evacuated ... SN12382772

August 10, 2008 : Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil ... tax07.html

January 29, 2009 : Alaskans Brace for Volcano to Blow

There is the whole mess of Dolphin, Whale Beachings, military sonar, tsunamis and earthquakes. Will have to add that to this thread at a later time. But for now here is a link
Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy?

December 26th, 2004 : Aceh Tsunami
This earthquake Tsunami combo killed 225,000 people. ... earthquake

Aceh has also been undergoing a lot of oil exploration

I am not trying to say that Oil and Resource Extraction has a direct link to Earthquakes. A more accurate comment might be this :

Earthquakes and other geological disruptions seem to dramatically increase around areas of resource extraction and those engaged in it.
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Postby timetunneler » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:38 am

also... there is that whole matter of rightwing manmade Armaggedon and evangelical doomsday preachers who threaten coastal American cities with Tsunamis and God's Wrath and who like to make threats against American oil competitors like Hugo Chavez, and who also have stakes in the oil industry.... ahem.... what does that guy know?
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Postby timetunneler » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:39 am

RigInters, I'm outta here again. Really, really don't intend to be back this time. Was fun, was weird, was spooky, was enlightening. But I'm gone. I think I can do it for real this time. Connected some dots, talked about time travel and sychronicity, got the earthquake thread in which i have been wanting to write up for months. Done. So much makes sense these days thanks to this place. Really. May the great earth spirits, causal, acausal, synchrocausal or whatever the fuck they are be with you!
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Postby Penguin » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:30 am

timetunneler wrote:RigInters, I'm outta here again. Really, really don't intend to be back this time. Was fun, was weird, was spooky, was enlightening. But I'm gone. I think I can do it for real this time. Connected some dots, talked about time travel and sychronicity, got the earthquake thread in which i have been wanting to write up for months. Done. So much makes sense these days thanks to this place. Really. May the great earth spirits, causal, acausal, synchrocausal or whatever the fuck they are be with you!

Hey thats too bad...
But may the force be with you, you strange mutant.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:24 am

Could you unspread the threads before you go, if you must go, tt? Er, why are you going, anyway?
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:44 am

Wasn't there an earthquake out West somewhere which was suspected to have resulted from sewage having been dumped down an old oil well? Is it possible that the presence of oil keeps faults lubricated so that stress is released gradually, with faults slipping and sliding against each other, while the absence of lubrication leads to more friction (sorry, can't think of a better word), which causes stress to build up and then be released in big, sudden bangs?
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:34 pm

I'll have to dig around, I was actually under the impression this WAS the mainstream explanation for earthquakes...I'll dig around. Thanks for this brainfood.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:16 pm

Im sure Ive heard of this before, and not in any hush hush way either. Its a pretty no-brainer - you pump something out of the ground, it leaves a space. Imho even in areas with no quakes, this can cause land to sink and rumble a bit. Id imagine in faultline areas it can act as a trigger for a large shift - or as someone above said, oil may work to smooth the movements before its pumped out.
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Postby wintler2 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:20 pm

It is not a new idea..

Can Oil Extraction Cause Earthquakes? ... uakes.html

While disagreement abounds on this topic, scientists at the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) say that oil production can cause earthquakes, but not the kind reported in the news.

Some earthquakes, such as the 2004 quake that triggered a deadly tsunami in Sumatra, occur at plate boundaries where hard, rocky slabs slide against each other to release tremendous amounts of energy. Oil generally is found in permeable sediments that are soft and squishy, not in hard rock. When this squishy land moves, it releases a small amount of energy, which can lead to a "mini-seismic event"—one that is barely detected on the Richter scale.

The USGS is hardly an objective organisation, of course. Perhaps prefer..
Indonesian Tsunami Probably Tripped by Exxon-Mobile Works
ACEH -- Exxon-Mobile has a 60 bscf/day facility near Aceh. In the span of 4 years it extracts more than one cubic mile of natural gas from the formations directly at what ended up being the epicenter of the Aceh earthquake. The gas field there has been producing for much longer than four years, and is one of the largest such facilities in the world.


I have been asked, by one of my students, to write something about the Indonesian earthquake near Aceh and the tsunami it created, and its possible causes, and so have; now that sufficient time has passed for you all to see and hear all about it; decided to make some comments on it.

Obviously the first comment to make is that it is one of the prophesied signs of “The END Times” and that they (earthquakes) are becoming more wide-spread, more frequent and more severe as we get closer to “The END”. So you can expect them to get even more-so as we get ever closer to “The END”:-

Looked so good for half a second there..

Much better discussion here, in the exchanges (at bottom) between James Agnew of California Geological Survey and Sterling D. Allan. e.g. from 2 of Agnews replies

No, I don't believe that anything Man could have done would contribute to a quake of this size. The depths of boreholes are small (a few km at most) compared to the depth of the hypocenter of the earthquake (30 km deep, as reported by the USGS) and the oil is being extracted from the overlying sediments, not from the Indian plate that is thrusting its way under the Sunda plate. In addition, the epicenter of the quake was located under the ocean, far from the drilling area - 250 km south-southeast of Banda Aceh. The pressure release of oil removal is miniscule compared to the required forces necessary to force one plate under another, and those pressure releases could not reach the hypocenter by any known mechanism.

..You do pose a good point, though - The trigger mechanism for earthquakes is currently under study by the USGS and others; I don't think anyone has come up with a fully accepted model of just what does finally set an earthquake in motion. There are so many possible variables to consider that it's hard to pin down any one thing as "causing" the quake.

Personally think it is possible that extracting fluids near surface would have a triggering effect in certain circumstances, and certain that if oil co's knew that they'd not want the idea to become common/official knowledge.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:32 pm

More from (possibly dubious) sources...I recall reading of this one somewhere else too but cant find it now.. the years 44-45 strike me as pretty early, as the first bombs had just been made at that time.

Project Seal ( also known as the Tsunami bomb) was a programme by the New Zealand military to develop a weapon that could create destructive tidal waves. This weapon was tested in Whangaparaoa off the coast of Auckland between 1944-1945. The experiments were conducted by Professor Thomas Leech. British and US defence chiefs were eager to see it developed and it was considered as important as the atomic bomb. The weapon was only tested using small explosions and never on a full scale. If it were to be fully produced and used, it would have created huge amounts of damage to coastal cities; it could have even been used with a nuclear charge. After 4000 test explosions over a seven-month period, none of which generated an appreciable tsunami, the project was closed down when it was determined that there were errors in the theoretical basis of the plan. The top secret documents on Project Seal were only declassified in 1999.

In addition to Professor Leech, James Marion Snodgrass was also involved in the project, per 1947 newspaper articles that hinted at a Top Secret Weapon.

[edit] References

* Tsunami bomb NZ's devastating war secret [1]
* Devastating tsunami bomb viable, say experts [2]
* How to dismantle a tsunami bomb [3]

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Tsunami by Quake? Bomb? Comet? EM?
On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

Note that the Secretary did not speak the words in square blocks; these were added by the writers later, probably to "soften the tone" of the Secretary's information release. So the Secretary confirmed that some nations of the world -- not just some ragged terrorists, as the writers tried to imply for spin control -- do possess novel electromagnetic weapons and are using them to induce earthquakes, engineer the weather and climate, and trigger volcanic eruptions.

In the case of Turkey, the quake might have been just another target practice shot by the KGB/Russians. In Russia, these weapons are totally under the control of the KGB, including research, development, manufacturing, deployment, and manning and firing the weapons. The weapons are not in the conventional Russian armed forces at all.

The weapons referred to by Secretary Cohen are longitudinal EM wave interferometers (LWIs). Longitudinal EM waves easily travel through the ocean and earth with very little loss. In a distant interference zone, there appears real EM energy again, of the kind we have in our textbooks. However, the energy arises from spacetime itself in the interference zone, as proven by M.W. Evans, P.K. Anastasovski, T.E. Bearden et al., "On Whittaker's Representation of the Electromagnetic Entity in Vacuo: The Production of Transverse Fields and Energy by Scalar Interferometry," Journal of New Energy, 4(3), Winter 1999, p. 76-78. (That entire issue of JNE contains some 60 papers by the Alpha Foundation's Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS), dealing with the kind of higher symmetry electrodynamics needed to understand such weapons).

Though tested in prototype in the 1950s, the first strategic LWIs were deployed in Russia in April 1963, and were used to kill the U.S.S. Thresher nuclear attack submarine, underwater off the East coast of the United States, in April 1963. The signatures of the kill are 100% decisive. One day later, the same weapon placed an enormous electromagnetic burst (explosion) deep underwater, 100 miles north of Puerto Rico. From the surface of the ocean there arose a giant cone of water, rising a half mile into the air, turning into a mushroom, and falling back into the sea. This was the second test of the new Russian strategic LWIs, under KGB control. By this test and the fact that the West did not even recognize what killed the Thresher, Khrushchev managed to stay in power another two years or so, after his Cuban Crisis fiasco where he lost face in front of the entire world.

Thomas E. Bearden is a retired Lieutenant Colonel of the U.S. Army who claims to be "active in the study of scalar electromagnetics, advanced electrodynamics, unified field theory, and overunity systems"[1]. His ideas have received no noteworthy support in the scientific community.

For what its worth, maybe a load of shit. Just for musings...
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:04 pm ... TE=DEFAULT

Jun 12, 4:32 PM EDT

Drilling might be culprit behind Texas earthquakes

Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/Mark Rogers

CLEBURNE, Texas (AP) -- The earth moved here on June 2. It was the first recorded earthquake in this Texas town's 140-year history - but not the last. There have been four small earthquakes since, none with a magnitude greater than 2.8. The most recent ones came Tuesday night, just as the City Council was meeting in an emergency session to discuss what to do about the ground moving.

The council's solution was to hire a geology consultant to try to answer the question on everyone's mind: Is natural gas drilling - which began in earnest here in 2001 and has brought great prosperity to Cleburne and other towns across North Texas - causing the quakes?

"I think John Q. Public thinks there is a correlation with drilling," Mayor Ted Reynolds said. "We haven't had a quake in recorded history, and all the sudden you drill and there are earthquakes."

At issue is a drilling practice called "fracking," in which water is injected into the ground at high pressure to fracture the layers of shale and release natural gas trapped in the rock.

There is no consensus among scientists about whether the practice is contributing to the quakes. But such seismic activity was once rare in Texas and seems to be increasing lately, lending support to the theory that drilling is having a destabilizing effect.

On May 16, three small quakes shook Bedford, a suburb of Dallas and Fort Worth. Two small earthquakes hit nearby Grand Prairie and Irving on Oct. 31, and again on Nov. 1.

The towns sit upon the Barnett Shale, a geologic formation that is perhaps the nation's richest natural gas field. The area is estimated to have 30 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas and provides about 7 percent of the country's supply.

The drilling's economic impact has been significant, because gas companies pay signing bonuses and royalties to property owners for the right to drill beneath their land. Signing bonuses climbed to around $25,000 an acre at the boom's peak.

Cleburne agreed to lease the mineral rights in the earliest stages of the frenzy, receiving a modest $55 an acre for 3,500 acres of city land. There are about 200 drilling sites in Cleburne, and it is not unusual to see cattle chewing grass in the shadow of gas pipes.

Cleburne has collected between $20 million and $25 million in royalties since 2001, about $6 million in 2008 alone, Reynolds said. Such riches have allowed the building of parks and sports complexes in the city of 30,000, about 30 miles south of Fort Worth.

"That's a lot of libraries and police cars," the mayor said proudly. "It's enabled us to escape the worst part of the recession, enables us to keep tax rates low and lowered unemployment."

Landowners are also getting theirs. Locals call it "mailbox money," occasional royalty checks that arrive from the gas companies. The mayor, a contractor who owns three quarters of an acre, said his most recent check, for three months' worth of royalties, was nearly $850.

"It's better than a poke in the eye," he said.

Although many residents never felt the quakes, those who did have described them in different ways. When the first few hit, some ran outside to see if a house had exploded. The city manager said he thought his wife was closing the garage door. Picture frames and windows rattled.

None of the quakes caused any damage or injuries, though city officials said they are keeping a close eye on the earthen dam at Lake Pat Cleburne.

There seems to be little fear around town of any catastrophic damage, but the ground shaking is unnerving nonetheless. Townspeople want to find out at least what is causing it, even if it is unclear whether anything can be done about it.

The gas is extracted through a process known as horizontal drilling. A company will drill roughly 5,000 feet to 7,000 feet down and then go horizontally for as much as 4,000 feet or so. Then the fracking begins.

A spokeswoman for Chesapeake Energy, which owns most of the mineral rights leases in the Cleburne area, said the company is "eager to get to the facts" and is working with the government and local researchers to determine whether there is a link.

"Drilling has occurred for more than a hundred years," Julie Wilson said in an e-mail. "Tens of thousands of wells have been drilled with no nearby earthquakes at all; hundreds of earthquakes have occurred with no drilling nearby."

Cliff Frohlich, a scientist at the University of Texas and author of "Texas Earthquakes," said he believes more than 20 Texas earthquakes in the past 100 years are related to drilling for petroleum and gas. But he added: "I would be surprised if a seriously damaging earthquake came out of this."

John Breyer, a petroleum geologist and professor at Texas Christian University, said drilling is absolutely not causing the earthquakes.

"It's like the Great Wall of China," he said. "If you pull a brick out of the wall every half-mile, you are not going to affect the stability of the structure."

The mayor said he is open to any answer the city's geologist brings him.

"We are going to find out what's causing them and if it is something that we can deal with, I promise we will deal with it," Reynolds said. "But it's like the dog that chases the car and catches the car: I don't know what you do then."
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Postby elfismiles » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:59 pm

Just learned of this Texas UFO sighting:

UFO over Cleburne, Texas on Xmas Night ... night.html

I searched the forum for "Cleburne" and found this post by chiggerbit and ... well, I was recently re-reading info on EarthLights and Persinger's ideas about ufo clusters before and after earthquakes - so I am posting the above link here. :roll:

chiggerbit wrote:

Jun 12, 4:32 PM EDT

Drilling might be culprit behind Texas earthquakes

Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/Mark Rogers

CLEBURNE, Texas (AP) -- The earth moved here on June 2. It was the first recorded earthquake in this Texas town's 140-year history - but not the last. There have been four small earthquakes since, none with a magnitude greater than 2.8. The most recent ones came Tuesday night, just as the City Council was meeting in an emergency session to discuss what to do about the ground moving.
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Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:55 pm

I just felt the ground move about 3 minutes ago. Did anyone else in SoCal feel that?
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