Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Col Quisp » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:45 pm

So THAT's where the paranoid ranting about Johnny Depp seeking adrenochrome that I hear about from time to time. Was it here? I forget. I guess it is because Depp portrayed Thompson that some screwballs made the leap that Depp is a vampire who drinks adrenochrome to stay young or something.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:16 pm

Just found this citation- neither endorsing it- or not:


http://theelectricsunshine.blogspot.com ... epths.html

Fucking with Your Deepest Depths

"In an experiment with Adrenochrome, I had the curious experience that
I was a thing, not a person."


H. Osmond, 1952...


experimenting with the hallucinogen, Adrenochrome

Excerpt from the medical journals,
"The Hallucinogens" 1967


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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby guruilla » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:21 pm

Resurrecting this thread due to an overlap with ongoing thread about Leonard Cohen, inc. alleged involvement in snuff films.

Surprised how little digging there's been on this thread, maybe coz HST is still beloved to many?

From "In Memory of Hunter S. Thompson: Postcard From Louisville, Kentucky" by Nickole Brown, HST's editorial assistant"

Other times I witnessed his atavistic side. Despite the rumors that followed me home when I left, he never held a gun to my head or laid a finger on me, but that’s not to say he didn’t throw a tantrum or two. Paranoid, he would lock everyone out of his cabin for hours at a time, intermittently setting off his alarm and firing guns into the air. One time I watched him beat his car because his cigarettes were locked inside, and another time he threw me out of the house for refusing to watch a snuff film.

http://www.pw.org/content/memory_hunter ... e_kentucky

Regarding the charges of HST-involvement in filming snuff films at Bo-Grove, Paul Bonacci & Russell E. "Rusty" Nelson seem to be the primary sources of this story:

Paul Bonacci testified in court proceedings that he helped kidnap Johnny Gosch in 1982, and that in July 1984, he was forced to participate in an orgy at the Bohemian Grove where a young person was murdered, Bonacci said the killing was filmed by Hunter Thompson, who had joined their private jet flight to the West Coast in Las Vegas!

http://defendingthetruth.com/crime-puni ... elson.html
there's lot of info here, tho source link seems to be dead.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:50 pm

It is really hard for me to wrap my head around HST being a willing participant in this sort of stuff but then if you are paying attention nothing should come as a surprise anymore.

What is the consenus around here on this, was HST one of them or no? Maybe he was undercover doing research and studying it and not really in to it? I have read everything he has ever written nothing about him, as strange as he was, would make me think he is a pedophile or in to snuff films.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby guruilla » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:47 pm

Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:50 pm wrote:It is really hard for me to wrap my head around HST being a willing participant in this sort of stuff but then if you are paying attention nothing should come as a surprise anymore.

What is the consenus around here on this, was HST one of them or no? Maybe he was undercover doing research and studying it and not really in to it? I have read everything he has ever written nothing about him, as strange as he was, would make me think he is a pedophile or in to snuff films.

Is your user name a homage to the Duke?

If so it's sort of a microcosm of this dilemma: the cultural (& counter-cultural) figures we identify with shape our identity to the extent that it is almost unthinkable that they might be other than they seem. There are almost no tools in the current culture to describe or understand this because our thinking has been shaped by the very forces we are trying to think about. I literally wrote a book about it.

I don't have much affinity for (investment in) HST but I certainly do for/in Leonard Cohen (or whitley strieber, castaneda, and so on, you name the cultural influence, I'll show you the poison pusher). At this point there seem to be only two possibilities: either anyone you care to name as a cultural influence is part of a massive, decades-long organized crime/pedophile ring that employs "art" and "spirituality" as an unrecognized (probably ancient) form of technology for social engineering, or, there's a massive disinformation program to make us think so and reject all our cultural heroes as compromised to the point of being utterly unfit for consumption.

Based on the evidence, I am leaning pretty strongly towards the first reading.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Elvis » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:16 pm

Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:50 pm wrote:It is really hard for me to wrap my head around HST being a willing participant in this sort of stuff but then if you are paying attention nothing should come as a surprise anymore.

What is the consenus around here on this, was HST one of them or no? Maybe he was undercover doing research and studying it and not really in to it? I have read everything he has ever written nothing about him, as strange as he was, would make me think he is a pedophile or in to snuff films.


After reading HST's Letters, I don't believe for a minute that he was wittingly involved in rape or murder. The letters begin when he was about 17 years old, and as far as I can tell, they give an honest portrait of an honest man. I'm also pretty well convinced that he was not murdered; for almost his entire life he told people that he didn't want to live past age 60.

What I think is possible, is that he might have been invited to some spooky events, and might have had to 'play along' as if nothing was wrong. I just don't know. I don't think he told us everything he knew about some things; how could he?
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:42 pm

guruilla » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:47 pm wrote:
Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:50 pm wrote:It is really hard for me to wrap my head around HST being a willing participant in this sort of stuff but then if you are paying attention nothing should come as a surprise anymore.

What is the consenus around here on this, was HST one of them or no? Maybe he was undercover doing research and studying it and not really in to it? I have read everything he has ever written nothing about him, as strange as he was, would make me think he is a pedophile or in to snuff films.

Is your user name a homage to the Duke?

If so it's sort of a microcosm of this dilemma: the cultural (& counter-cultural) figures we identify with shape our identity to the extent that it is almost unthinkable that they might be other than they seem. There are almost no tools in the current culture to describe or understand this because our thinking has been shaped by the very forces we are trying to think about. I literally wrote a book about it.

I don't have much affinity for (investment in) HST but I certainly do for/in Leonard Cohen (or whitley strieber, castaneda, and so on, you name the cultural influence, I'll show you the poison pusher). At this point there seem to be only two possibilities: either anyone you care to name as a cultural influence is part of a massive, decades-long organized crime/pedophile ring that employs "art" and "spirituality" as an unrecognized (probably ancient) form of technology for social engineering, or, there's a massive disinformation program to make us think so and reject all our cultural heroes as compromised to the point of being utterly unfit for consumption.

Based on the evidence, I am leaning pretty strongly towards the first reading.


I am a big fan of his work, I did not pick the name for that reason though, it is actually my real nickname. Despite being a fan I can accept your first option, the evidence does indeed seem to point that way. Real shame if true though because basically we cant trust any one or any thing.

I need to read that Cohen thread, I have not even had the time to start it yet but from the various comments I have seen looks like I need to read it.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:48 pm

Elvis » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:16 pm wrote:
Hunter » Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:50 pm wrote:It is really hard for me to wrap my head around HST being a willing participant in this sort of stuff but then if you are paying attention nothing should come as a surprise anymore.

What is the consenus around here on this, was HST one of them or no? Maybe he was undercover doing research and studying it and not really in to it? I have read everything he has ever written nothing about him, as strange as he was, would make me think he is a pedophile or in to snuff films.


After reading HST's Letters, I don't believe for a minute that he was wittingly involved in rape or murder. The letters begin when he was about 17 years old, and as far as I can tell, they give an honest portrait of an honest man. I'm also pretty well convinced that he was not murdered; for almost his entire life he told people that he didn't want to live past age 60.

What I think is possible, is that he might have been invited to some spooky events, and might have had to 'play along' as if nothing was wrong. I just don't know. I don't think he told us everything he knew about some things; how could he?

Yes, this is exactly how I feel, I have read all of his writings and nothing he says jives at all with him being involved in anything like that but then again I just cant be surprised by much these days. I mean Bill Cosby of all people. Its easy to see him as a bad guy now but Cosby was a beloved hero to every one before this broke, very few people saw that one coming.

But yea, I tend to agree with you, his writings do not paint any sort of picture of anything other than a brutally honest person, flawed as fuck but he owned it and made his flaws a part of who he was, never tried to hide or be someone he wasnt. While there are some good arguments out there that suggest he was murdered, I tend to agree, he was very open about the fact that once be felt useless he wanted to go out on his own terms.

I also think he was likely invited to some of these events, he was known to really like to party and I imagine people would have wanted as a guest. He probably did play along and perghaps even began to research it and study it much like we do and yet none of us, as far as I can tell, are in to it.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Nordic » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:10 pm

People that actually knew Cosby knew what a wretched person he was. His public persona was something else entirely.

The line above regarding HST getting furious at the woman for refusing to watch a snuff film gives me great deal of pause.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:15 pm

Nordic » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:10 pm wrote:The line above regarding HST getting furious at the woman for refusing to watch a snuff film gives me great deal of pause.


Same. I've read a lot of HST but I have no investment in him being a "good person," and in fact, his writing would make a good deal more sense if Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was neither Gonzo excess nor satirical.

I also wouldn't regret having read so much of his work.

Still, there's nothing like evidence yet, just two data points. You could get an easy dozen people together who'd all testify that I'm a serial killer.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby KUAN » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:08 am

I believe the adage 'Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely', and everything along that continuum. Everyone is vulnerable to being corrupted and when you are rich - powerful - have the time - the means - hell, just give it a try .... Sorry but I have a very jaundiced view, like, every male is potentially a pedophile. Admitting that is the first step to avoiding becoming one - given the opportunity. Noble we aint.
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby guruilla » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:47 am

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:15 pm wrote: You could get an easy dozen people together who'd all testify that I'm a serial killer.

Really?
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Hunter » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:51 am

Reading that Cohen thread I noticed it says HST killed himself just before he was about to expose the pedophile ring that runs America. I dont understand that, he is not the kind of guy that would take that sort information to his grave is he? I dont see it, so what gives with that, any idea? Did he just say fuck it knowing that whatever he wrote wouldnt make a difference, was he worried what they might do his loved ones, or was he killed before he could finish it. What evidence do we have that he was about to expose this, I dont recall anything and I followed his work pretty closely.
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Postby KUAN » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:56 am

oh.. who invited him...
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Re: Hunter S. Thompson up to some weird shit?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:23 pm

guruilla » Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:47 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:15 pm wrote: You could get an easy dozen people together who'd all testify that I'm a serial killer.

Really?


More than six, so I'll stick by it. Several of them are family members. I'm also nothing like HST: I am a very private person and seldom tell people what I think or feel (except on twitter, where my Id rages into the eternal void.)

I mention that because frankly, HST's lifestyle is his best defense. I couldn't muster an alibi for 90% of the past four years -- I was by myself. The sheer amount of people he entertained, the regimen of drugs (O'Rourke's formulation was certainly exaggerated but not by much) and his penchant for running his mouth all make it hard to believe he had a compartmentalized secret life -- although surely, stranger things have happened. Usually in Thomas Harris books, though.

The most plausible narratives all hang on a single venue: the O'Farrell Theatre in San Francisco, run by men who were also content creators, financing and producing original pornographic content. San Fran has always been on the front lines of America's descent from Puritan to Purgatory, and their current ground zero is the old Armory building, bought by a BDSM porn site and currently run as a Hellfire Club for Silicon Valley elites to get their freak on with an endless parade of attractive young models. Most folks into BDSM are as clean-cut as they come but that community has always had a problem with policing itself.

The problem is the timeline, though -- Bonacci was talking about events that took place while HST was holed up in Colorado.

FWIW, here's Nick Bryant's take: http://www.franklinscandal.com/Bonacci/
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