Wired on Georgia Guidestones

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Postby justdrew » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:38 pm

OP ED wrote:
It's not a poem, after all, it's a list of commandments



[says who?]


reads like a poem to me. kinda like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

(c) Max Ehrman 1926

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Are all the people so afraid of a global governmental structure EVER going to worry about global corporate power? It's completely unaccountable and answers to no one. The only way to check the power of accumulated private power/capital is with a transnational governmental structure. IT has to be done right, but Government of for a by the people and representing the interests of the common man has to have global reach, otherwise, corporate power will always trump and destroy people's autonomy. What other than a global government could at this time STOP and reverse genetically modified agriculture?

The question is how to do it correctly.
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Postby marmot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:37 pm

Wired wrote:During the hundreds of hours [Charlie Clamp, the sandblaster charged with carving each of the 4,000-plus characters on the stones] spent etching the guides, Clamp said, he had been constantly distracted by "strange music and disjointed voices."


Wired wrote:Spray-painted on the stones were messages like "Jesus will beat u satanist" and "No one world government." Other defacements asserted that the Council on Foreign Relations is "ran by the devil," that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, and that President Obama is a Muslim.


Wired wrote:While the guides on the Georgia stones fly in the face of orthodox Christian eschatology, they conform quite well to the tenets of Rosicrucianism...

Weidner... [a]n authority on the hermetic and alchemical traditions that spawned the Rosicrucians... believes that for generations the group has been passing down knowledge of a solar cycle that climaxes every 13,000 years. During this culmination, outsize coronal mass ejections are supposed to devastate Earth. Meanwhile, the shadowy organization behind the Guidestones is now orchestrating a "planetary chaos," Weidner believes, that began with the recent collapse of the US financial system and will result eventually in major disruptions of oil and food supplies, mass riots, and ethnic wars worldwide, all leading up to the Big Event on December 21, 2012. "They want to get the population down," Weidner says, "and this is what they think will do it. The Guidestones are there to instruct the survivors."


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
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Postby marmot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:42 pm

OP ED wrote:a bunch of racist nonsense...

Obama iz a Muslim


How's that racist?
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Postby justdrew » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:31 pm

marmot wrote:
OP ED wrote:a bunch of racist nonsense...

Obama iz a Muslim


How's that racist?


well, no one's ever accused Ralph Nader of being a Muslim.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:43 pm

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Muslim, black, Arab or Arab-lover, foreigner, anti-American, traitor, socialist, commie, liberal, enemy, NWO agent, conspirator... you can probably add homosexual and/or Jewish... do you really think whoever spray-painted "Obama is a Muslim" on (of all places) the Georgia Guidestones as their political protest is likely to make distinctions between these categories rigorously, or cares to? It's the righteous, simple, honest Christian people against the coalition of deviants who want to destroy America because they hate it for being such a good country. I speak from experience of people holding this particular complex of prejudices, in inchoate but passionate fashion, though the combinations will vary from case to case.

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Postby marmot » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:12 pm

Again, how is "Obama is a Muslim" (in or out of the GA Stones graffiti context) a racist statement?

How is the term "Muslim" any more a racist category then the term "Christian"? It is not. The effacements may have been of a religio-political or socio-cultural nature - but they weren't racist. What was spray-painted may have been a bunch of ignorant nonsense - but it wasn't "racist nonsense."

For comparison, try these phrases out: "Carter is a Christian" and "Bush is a Satanist." Would we confuse these statements as being racist?


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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:39 pm

marmot wrote:Again, how is "Obama is a Muslim" (in or out of the GA Stones graffiti context) a racist statement?

How is the term "Muslim" any more a racist category then the term "Christian"? It is not. The effacements may have been of a religio-political or socio-cultural nature - but they weren't racist. What was spray-painted may have been a bunch of ignorant nonsense - but it wasn't "racist nonsense."

For comparison, try these phrases out: "Carter is a Christian" and "Bush is a Satanist." Would we confuse these statements as being racist?



All statements acquire meaning through context. If Carter wasn't a Christian, and hated by many as a foreigner although he wasn't that either, and if this was in a country where a seeming majority had come to conflate "Christian" with "other-skinned foreign subhuman terrorist enemies who kill us because they hate our freedom" then yeah, it would be racist.

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Postby marmot » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:48 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
marmot wrote:Again, how is "Obama is a Muslim" (in or out of the GA Stones graffiti context) a racist statement?

How is the term "Muslim" any more a racist category then the term "Christian"? It is not. The effacements may have been of a religio-political or socio-cultural nature - but they weren't racist. What was spray-painted may have been a bunch of ignorant nonsense - but it wasn't "racist nonsense."

For comparison, try these phrases out: "Carter is a Christian" and "Bush is a Satanist." Would we confuse these statements as being racist?



All statements acquire meaning through context. If Carter wasn't a Christian, and hated by many as a foreigner although he wasn't that either, and if this was in a country where a seeming majority had come to conflate "Christian" with "other-skinned foreign subhuman terrorist enemies who kill us because they hate our freedom" then yeah, it would be racist.

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Ok, Jack - now consider the context of the statement in question: "Obama is a Muslim."

It was reported that some of the other graffiti were "Jesus will beat u satanist" - "No one world government" - "Death to the new world order" - the CFR is "ran by the devil" - and 9/11 was an inside job - all this spray-painted over the monumental "guide stones to an age of reason," situated atop a hill in Elbert County, Georgia, US of A. That's the context.

Each of us inevitably constructs a working profile of the vandal, or vandals, based upon what was written (and, of course, our own personal pool of knowledge and experiences). All we are given as solid evidence concerning their intent and identity is their vandalous commentary.

To attribute a racist intent to them does not accord to the evidence given, particularly when the statements are of a political and religious nature. In fact, references to Jesus and the devil should underscore the natural understanding of the direct object in "Obama is a Muslim" as a religious designation. [Granted, in the minds of certain individuals the term Muslim may include racial overtones - but the American prejudice leans towards Arab, not African - as Obama is.]

To assume that there is something in the context to point us to racist intent is a hypothesis that I can only guess is grounded on personal prejudice.

Yes, I think it's logical to assume our vandals are conspiracy-minded individuals holding christian ideas. But, No, that does not automatically translate to racism. You're not inferring that all conspiracy-minded christians are racists - are you? What context are you considering in support of the assertion that "Obama is a Muslim" is a racist comment?
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what i just found:

Postby marmot » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:54 pm

[url=http://multisearchengine.co.uk/blog/georgia_guidestones_vandalised.aspx]The Georgia Guidestones
Extensively Vandalised with Paint and Graffiti
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Georgia Guidestones Vandalized

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Postby marmot » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:47 am

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I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season.

These days, I keep remembering my sense of urgency leaving the Bush Administration in 1991. We had to do something to turn around the economy and gather real assets behind retirement plans and the social safety net. If not, Americans could find themselves deeply out on a limb. I felt my family and friends were in danger. They did not share my concern. They had a deep faith in the system.

As my efforts to find ways of reengineering government investment in communities failed to win political support, Washington and Wall Street moved forward with a debt bubble and globalization that was horrifying in its implications for humanity.

Overwhelmed by what was happening, I estimated the end result. My simple calculations guessed that we were going to achieve economic sustainability on Earth by depopulating down to a population of approximately 500 million people from our then current global population of 6 billion. I was a portfolio strategist used to looking at numbers from a very high level. Those around me could not fathom how all the different threads I was integrating could lead to such a conclusion. To me, we had to have radical change in how we governed resources or depopulate. It was a mathematical result.

A year later, in 1999, a very capable investment and portfolio strategist asked me if he could come have a private lunch with me in Washington. We sat in a posh restaurant across from the Capitol. He said quietly that he had calculated out where the derivatives and debt bubble combined with globalization were going. The only logical conclusion he could reach was that significant depopulation was going to occur. He said his estimates led to an approximate population of 500 million. I said very quietly, “that’s my estimate too.” I will never forget the look of sadness that crossed his face. I was amazed to find someone else who understood.

the rest at link: http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532
including several comments of interest
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Re: Wired on Georgia Guidestones

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:01 pm

The conspiratainment value-creation cycle now shifts to the inevitable fictionalization, a web series with ARG.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/02/g ... -landmark/

http://www.fangoria.com/index.php/blogs ... web-series

http://guidestones.org/


www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4N-6LDewSY

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Postby Simulist » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:37 pm

mentalgongfu2 wrote:I think one intended function of the Georgia Guidestone monument was to piss off and/or confuse fundamentalists.

You may be right, but calculating a simple 15% tip can sometimes manage that, too. ;)

Hmm.

Here's what the Guidestones actually say:

1) Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2) Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3) Unite humanity with a living new language.
4) Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7) Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8) Balance personal rights with social duties.
9) Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10) Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


Doesn't sound too bad to me.
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Re: Wired on Georgia Guidestones

Postby Simulist » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:46 pm

JackRiddler wrote:The conspiratainment value-creation cycle now shifts to the inevitable fictionalization, a web series with ARG.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/02/g ... -landmark/

http://www.fangoria.com/index.php/blogs ... web-series

http://guidestones.org/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4N-6LDewSY

Decode (yawn) The Mystery!

I think the reaction shots at 1:21 were people who had to sit through this movie web series schlock.
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Re: Wired on Georgia Guidestones

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:54 pm

Simulist wrote:I think the reaction shots at 1:21 were people who had to sit through this movie.


If only it were a movie, you could sit through it, doing e-mail on your smart phone and reading a magazine on your i-pad while snacking on fried bits of alleged chicken.

It is a Web series, released in super-short online bits that together maybe add up to a one-hour episode,* but so far (afaict) these are available only to those who participate in the ARG. People are supposed to register with the site to get clues and alerts by e-mail or SMS or FART, and they can be "interactive" and find new clues, solve the bullshit, IN OMG REAL TIME!!! Hey, IT'S A REAL STORY ABOUT IMPORTANT FATE O THE EARTH PHILOSOPHY SHIT THEY SAY SO RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING! Also ideal for entertainment on the go. Read the articles above for more on how it works.


* - omg, implicitly I'm saying there are things worse than TV.
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