Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:55 pm

I'm so sorry, chiggerbit.
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby alwyn » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:48 pm

chiggerbit wrote:I've seen that before. Now that you've reminded me...sorry, hard for me to talk about this....my daughter miscarried this month, first pregnancy. Looking at the timing now, I'm wondering if she became preggers near the time that she had the flu (most likely h1n1) or shortly afterwards.

Dammit, I'm re-reading what I said above, and see that my words might have come out to mean what I didn't mean. You didn't "remind" me of the miscarriage, Alwyn..


No problem chiggerbit. I am so sorry for your daughter's (and your) loss. It is never easy. I lost a child after misguided dental work a while back, and I don't trust the AMA much as far as their supposed tolerances for pregnant women.
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:37 pm

Ironically, I had sent her that same site or a similar one, and she said not to worry, she had no intentions of getting the shot, especially since she had already had the flu.
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby alwyn » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:58 pm

so you are saying that she did not get the flu shot?
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:21 pm

Right, no shot, but she had the flu. What if it's the same thing?
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby tron » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:50 am

jane bergumeister ,last youtube link was down due to terms of use violation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVgsDdbiKc

now here
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby beeline » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:08 pm

heh, got an email from ConservativeActionAlerts, don't know how I ended up on their listserve, anyway:


Dear Concerned Friend,

An unprecedented emergency is unfolding before our very eyes!

Last month, 86 deaths were recorded in just ONE DAY in Ukraine due to the outbreak of H1N1 or "swine flu" in that country. I received a very desperate plea from members of our Order in Ukraine. It was heart-wrenching to hear of these senseless deaths. Somehow, the American news media never really emphasized this pandemic. A mutual friend of ours indicated that you might be moved to assist in this all-out effort to bring medical relief to this outbreak of H1N1 flu!

That's why I am emailing you today.

The European Center for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) just gave their latest data on the outbreak More than 11,600 have been killed around the world---with over 2,000 of the deaths just in Europe.

That's why we have put together $300,000 worth of medical supplies and equipment that will help break the grip that this monster disease has in Eastern Europe. We made specific arrangements with top medical suppliers near Tampa, Florida; then we trucked them to the global port in Jacksonville; and then loaded all these medicines onto a ship bound for Ukraine. (Click here to view part of the the Bill of Lading!)

Here's the urgency: The ship arrives at the Ukranian port within two weeks, or so. That's why I've written to you today---quite frankly, we critically need your help.

Please SELECT HERE to help control the swine flu epidemic in Ukraine! Give a donation so critical medical supplies can be distributed directly to the desperate people in that country. Our Ukranian Knights are waiting at the dock right now!

Maybe you've never even heard of the Knights of the Order of St. John, but we have been on the literal frontlines of helping those in need just like Christ did when He was on this earth.

In fact, that's what our particular Order of the Knights is all about, showing the true compassion of Christ to those who are not only less fortunate, but who are desperate for a medical solution.

Next year, we will be celebrating our Golden Anniversary. In 2011, we're celebrating 100 years in the United States. We are extremely low-key. Without any fanfare; we go and we do. We make sure that hurting people are touched by the compassion of Christ.

For instance, the Knights of the Order of St. John continue to be intently involved
In 2009, $11.7 million in vaccines were donated to eliminate severe health threats in the country of Liberia. In total we gave away more than $30 million worth of medical supplies and medicines worldwide!!


In 2008, $13 million of medicines were donated to the Philippines.


Also in 2008, over $6 million of medicines were given to government hospitals in Honduras.
On and on, the list of our accomplishments continues to grow worldwide. But none of these would be possible without YOUR support, or the support from people just like you.

To learn more about our Order and what we do to touch human lives, one at a time, please visit our website www.knightshospitallers.org (see our History page, our Activities page, and our Letters page).

SELECT HERE to make a difference, so 86 do not have to die in just one day! Your Gift of love will help to distribute crisis medicines for the desperate people in Ukraine. Our Ukrainian Knights is waiting at the dock right now!


Pictured above is Chev. Mark Karydis, a Knight Commander
in our Order and Aide to the Grand Master, loading the container.

The shipment was packed in Tampa by Knights, Dames, and volunteers. RIGHT THIS MOMENT---it is enroute by ship to the Ukraine. Our Knights, Dames and volunteers await the shipment at the port in Odessa, Ukraine.

This container is NOW in the hands of the Mediterranean Shipping Company (MSC) and YOU! That is why I am turning to you for an urgently-needed donation!

Within days, the medicines will arrive. Be sure to SELECT HERE to give the gift of life to someone in desperate need! By giving to this all-out effort, you can have the satisfaction of knowing that you have made a real difference in someone's life!

Reuters recently reported, "...wave of pandemic H1N1 flu is likely to be followed by new, unknown strains of seasonal flu which health authorities must watch carefully to devise protection measures," European flu experts said.

YOUR GIFT TODAY will give the gift of life to a suffering person in Eastern Europe. The Ukranians have suffered so much oppression in the last century through the tyranny of the Soviet regime, the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl, and its consequences on the agricultural produce. Certainly, we must do whatever we can to help eliminate any more pain! Give the gift of life today!

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father..." James 117 KJV

We are a secular order, but we're also a Christian entity. Our oath says that we must be a follower of Jesus. And this is what Jesus would do...
GIVE THE GIFT OF LIFE!

Please SELECT HERE to help create a medical miracle to control the H1N1 virus in Ukraine. Your Gift makes this medicine and medical supplies all possible. YOUR response can indicate to me to let our Ukrainian Knights know that there will be enough money to unload and truck the shipment! I can't thank you enough!

Can you see the ship in the distance RIGHT NOW, local Knights, Dames and volunteers are at the port---awaiting YOUR DECISION to be involved!

I am asking you to do something extraordinary. If you are seriously interested in stopping this pandemic in Ukraine, please respond today.

We desperately need your help. Please try to give something. The boat will soon be at the port; and your donation will make a difference in the life of those people in Ukraine who risked so much to be free only a little over one decade ago. They need your help. They await your decision. After all, it IS up to you!

Will you help to make this a turning point in the life of a Ukrainian

Will you decide to help control this pandemic

Your generosity can give them a new lease on life.

We're honored for the time you've taken to care,
and to have the compassion of Christ,





Nicholas F. S. Papanicolaou, GB.GCSJ(H)
Grand Master
The Knights Hospitallers of the Sovereign Order of St. John of Jerusalem,
Knights of Malta, the Ecumenical Order
Grand Priory of Florida

P. S. Your benevolent gesture can mean the difference between life and death. Our Order has sometimes been mistakenly confused with other Orders of Saint John, with whom it has no affiliation.

Please SELECT HERE to help control the swine flu epidemic in Ukraine! Give a donation so critical medical supplies can be distributed directly to the desperate people in that country. Our Ukrainian Knights are waiting on the dock right now!
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:34 pm

Is there any way to tell how long that email has been circulating, bee? It has the look of an old one. Besides, you'd think they would be focusing on Haiti right now, wouldn't you?

Meanwhile here in Iowa, a case of the usual seasonal, type B flu has been reported:

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100205/L ... /702069981

Iowa's first seasonal flu reported


Iowa's first case of seasonal flu was reported Thursday, at a time when flu is typically at its peak in the state.

An unvaccinated Story County woman in her 30s was confirmed to have influenza B, according to the Iowa Department of Public Health.

Attention has been focused much of the past year on H1N1 flu. So far, 41 Iowans have died and 539 had been hospitalized with the new strain of flu.

While thousands of cases of H1N1 flu have been reported nationwide, no states were reporting widespread seasonal flu as of late January, the lat est report available.



Seasonal flu, which is generally more serious for the elderly and very young, and H1N1 require separate vaccinations.

The department's medical director, Dr. Patricia Quinlisk, noted that it's not too late to get a shot for either flu. Seasonal flu vaccine is available for children as young as 6 months.

Flu, a respiratory illness caused by viruses, can cause mild to severe illness. Symptoms include fever, headache, tiredness, cough, sore throat, nasal congestion and body aches. Illness typically lasts two to seven days.

The department noted that flu vaccine is the best defense against getting influenza.

Other ways to help prevent the spread of illness include covering coughs and sneezes; washing hands frequently and thoroughly, and staying home when ill.
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby beeline » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:49 am

Link



'Very eerie': This winter had virtually no flu

By Don Sapatkin

Inquirer Staff Writer

Is it possible for a pandemic to save lives?

The short answer is that it just did. Since swine flu first burst onto the scene one year ago this month, fewer Americans appear to have died of influenza-related causes than in any recent flu season.

The pandemic flu kept at bay seasonal strains that normally kill thousands of elderly people. And it did so, somehow, while not sticking around itself. The result: a winter flu season with virtually no seasonal flu, no pandemic flu, no flu of any kind, at least not yet.

"It is very eerie," said Gregory Storch, director of the infectious diseases division at St. Louis Children's Hospital.

But before you get all giddy with pandemic appreciation, consider the following:

No one knows why swine flu didn't return this winter. (Handwashing and vaccination probably helped but don't fully explain what happened.) Flus of pandemics past have always come back; it was just a question of when and how severe. And it could well be that as more months pass without any strains of flu, fewer people are developing immunity against them - and could get sicker next season.

As for the lower death toll, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Yes, very few people died this winter, suppressing the yearlong tally. But the victims, mainly last spring and fall, were nearly all younger people with much of their lives ahead of them. In actuarial terms, this pandemic may turn out to have been more harmful than it seems.

Estimating deaths from any influenza is an inexact science. Most people succumb to underlying respiratory or circulatory conditions that are worsened by the flu, a word that may not even appear on the death certificate.

The standard estimate of 36,000 annual seasonal flu deaths is based on 10 seasons during which complex mathematical models found large variations from year to year.

Estimating swine flu deaths on short notice - without even death certificates to go by - is trickier. The latest approximation, through mid-February, is 12,000.

The numbers, both from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were calculated using different methodologies, and they represent the midpoints of wide ranges that overlap slightly. Still, the disparity - one-third the usual number of deaths this year - is striking.

Drill down deeper, however, and the pandemic count shows "three to five times the number of pediatric deaths reported than normal," said David L. Swerdlow, a member of the CDC team that determined the statistics. Nearly 90 percent of pandemic-flu related deaths were people younger than 65. With seasonal flu, 90 percent are 65 and older.

In a paper published last month in the Public Library of Science, other researchers attempted to account for age differences by calculating what are called "preventable deaths." Since everyone eventually dies of something, this technique - counting years of potential life lost, based on life expectancy - is offered as a better measure of disease burden than raw death counts. It still determined that the pandemic has likely done less harm than an average seasonal flu.

Although counterintuitive, the finding is not unprecedented. A handful of regular flu seasons in the last century have been worse than the mildest pandemics.

"Pandemic" means widespread, not necessarily severe. The World Health Organization declared a pandemic in June because so much of the population had so little immunity to swine flu that there was a potential for disaster.

That same infectiousness explains the virtual disappearance of seasonal flu. Dozens of strains circulate every year, but only one - the most successful at causing the infections needed for the virus to reproduce - generally dominates in a given region and time of year.

In a normal season, the losers bide their time, often coming back another year in a slightly changed form that allows them to infect more humans and dominate other flu viruses. Seasonal vaccine is updated annually in response to these small changes.

Occasionally, bigger changes make a virus dramatically more successful at infecting humans, causing a pandemic and giving it more strength against the viral competition.

"The seasonal virus is slowly driven to extinction," explained researcher Cécile Viboud, who studies flu transmission patterns at the National Institutes of Health. As the population develops immunity over several years, the winning virus falls into a seasonal pattern, and the vulnerable elderly again become its easiest target.

The new flu was already so dominant this winter that the virology laboratory at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia detected a seasonal strain in only two samples since September. The most recent hit, in March, was the only positive sample reported to the CDC that week nationwide.

New flus drove out the old in the pandemics of 1918, 1957, and 1968, too. Like this one, those pandemic flus, with their great power to infect, first appeared at times of the year that are not well-suited to influenza transmission.

Each of them also returned the following winter. Why didn't this one?

And, more mysteriously, how did this pandemic flu manage to suppress all other strains in absentia?

A season with almost no flu of any kind is not unheard of. But few scientists think it is a coincidence.

Public campaigns to encourage washing hands and coughing into sleeves may have helped. The CDC estimates that 59 million people were infected with swine flu through mid-February, nearly all of them in the spring and fall waves, and so were largely immune. And an estimated 72 million were vaccinated, although many of the same people would have been counted in both tallies.

Nearly 37 percent of children in Pennsylvania and nationally got the vaccine; in New Jersey, 33 percent did. "The kids are the reservoirs," said Richard L. Hodinka, director of Children's Hospital's virology lab, "and they have the worst personal hygiene."

Perhaps the pandemic's timing was slightly off, and then snow days intervened. Several regional increases last month, mainly in the South, prompted the CDC to urge continued vaccination.

"Never in my life has there been so little flu," said Annika Linde, Sweden's state epidemiologist, who has been responsible for tracking the disease since 1993.

Linde is one of a handful of scientists, mainly in Europe, who are floating a novel explanation. In addition to all the above, she said, it could be that the various microbes that cause respiratory-tract infections - rhinoviruses, respiratory syncytial viruses, influenza type A and type B viruses, among others - normally peak at different times of the year because they occupy niches that prevent other viruses from butting in.

Then the pandemic upended the pattern.

This interference idea was first suggested by a researcher in neighboring Norway.

Like many people, viruses "usually live in peaceful coexistence with each other," each with its own success strategy, said Gabriel Ånestad, now a senior scientist at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health. "If a foreign invader" such as pandemic swine flu appears, he said, the competition can create "a war situation."

Ånestad's hypothesis, largely ignored when he first published it 30 years ago, is still on the fringe. And it doesn't help him predict what swine flu will do next.

No one else can predict with any certainty either.

For example, in each of the three pandemics of the 20th century, most recently in 1968-69, the new virus outcompeted and then replaced the single dominant strain of seasonal flu.

For the last three decades, however, two type A strains have jockeyed for dominance. The H3N2 virus usually came out on top, and it caused the most widespread as well as the most severe illness.

The seasonal H1N1 strain, when it won, was usually mild, particularly for older people.

Most scientists believe that the pandemic H1N1 will replace the seasonal H1N1 because they are most similar. If that happens, then the two flus in future seasons theoretically could, on average, be worse than the experience of recent decades.

Is it possible for the pandemic virus to replace both seasonal strains?

"It is," said Viboud, the NIH scientist.

Would that be a good thing?

No one knows, she said. "We don't have any situation in the past that we can use as a template for what will happen."
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby apologydue » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:41 pm

Flu Shots Suspended After Kids Hospitalised
April 22nd, 2010

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... ion=justin


The Western Australian Government has suspended all flu vaccinations for children under five while it investigates a spike in admissions to Princess Margaret Hospital in Perth.

The Health Minister, Kim Hames, says 45 children have been taken to hospital suffering high temperatures and febrile convulsions after receiving the vaccination.

Dr Hames says the program will be suspended until the department finishes its investigation.

He says parents who have had their children vaccinated should take precautions.

“If it’s longer than 12 hours ago then there is no risk,” he said.

“But if it’s in the last 12 hours they should make sure that they give their child paracetamol and then take every effort to make sure that the temperature of their child is settled.”
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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:03 pm

The H1N1 scare didn't just fizzle out; it somehow managed to fizzle out the entire flu season.

Now that is really scary!

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Re: Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Postby conniption » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:26 am

CBS 60mins Reports - 1976 Deadly Swine Flu Fraud - part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9DXYlg7Vyo

•Jul 6, 2009
EpiphanyProductions

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUz3_l...​

DO NOT GET THE SWINE FLU VACCINATION or any FLU VACCINATIONS!!!

1)The CDC did NOT test the actual vaccine that ultimately went to 46 millions Americans (X-53).
2)The vaccine killed hundreds of people and permanently maimed/injured several thousands in America.
3)The public was NOT warned about the possible permanant neurological sicknesses that could result from taking the shot.
4)The CDC knew that the shot was dangerous but did NOT put this information on the waivers that people would sign before getting the shot.
5)The entire vaccine campaign was ordered and started BEFORE any confirmed case of swine flu was actually found.
6)The actual only confirmed flu case that was deadly (and this is dubious since the soldier refused a sick bed order), was one soldier who had the flu and collapsed on a forced march, all other soldiers, four of them, were back to normal within days without getting a shot.
7)The CDC freely used the names of well-known movie stars without their permission to launch the campaign successfully, including Mary Tyler Moore.
8)Mary Tyler Moore did NOT take the shot, although the CDC said she did. She wisely said "NO" because she suspected it was not healthy. Her doctor ulitimately agreed.
9)Dr. Sencer, head of the CDC at the time, ordered the campaign as well as the advertising for it, and not once was any danger mentioned in any of the literature!
10)The CDC LIED to the public to sell a vaccination campaign.


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CBS 60mins Reports - 1976 Deadly Swine Flu Fraud - part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUz3_lrGabM

•Jul 6, 2009
EpiphanyProductions


Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9DXYl...​

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dav1237
11 years ago
Thanks so much for posting this! This was 1979, not 1976.

Ruth Jeffery
10 months ago
This is when they gave news, not propaganda.
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