The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

[chiggerbit]

I've been watching the Boys Town sex abuse scandal for a long time now, and wondering at how the conspiracy theories seem to just ricochet off of the role of the Catholic church. How is it that, for a board that sees eugenics behind every effort to distribute birth control pills, and Jews behind every banker, no one here ever asks if the Cathoic Church was a participant in this conspiracy, or maybe it's coverup?

How many of the victims were from Boys Town? Did anyone besides King receive money for these victims' services? How many of the adult participants, parents, house parents were associated with Boys Town or the Catholic Church? How many of those involved in the coverup were Catholic? Were there tentacles reaching from that diocese to others, possibly in other states. . Who was the priest "from the area" who killed a little boy, and who was the little boy? I think it's fair to ask if this was deeper and darker than the collateral damage of a few "bad apple" priests

[chiggerbit]

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... misses.htm

Allgaier, Robert 1998 P Convicted Diocesan Archbishop knew of allegation of child pornography in 2001 but reassigned him to middle school after evaluation. Only removed in 2002 just prior to charges being filed. Pleaded guilty to attempted possession of child pornograph for using computers to view internet photos of children involved in sex acts. Sentenced to 2 years probation. Finally left priesthood in 2005. Omaha, NE

[chiggerbit]

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... bert_1.htm

Priest Left Boys Town in'88 After Allegations
An Investigation Found No Sexual Abuse by the Rev. Richard Colbert

By Stephen Buttry
Omaha World Herald [Nebraska]
July 21, 2003

A priest left Boys Town abruptly in 1988 after an investigation of his inappropriate relationship that involved his touching of a boy.

The Rev. Richard Colbert, who acknowledges that the relationship was inappropriate but not sexual, said the investigation did not involve police or State Child Protective Services. State law requires that anyone with "reasonable cause" to believe a child has been abused must report the suspicion to police or the state.

Former administrators and an attorney for Boys Town said the Rev. Val Peter, executive director then and now, handled the investigation personally and swiftly.

"Like a thunderbolt, it was quick and decisive," attorney James Martin Davis said. "Father Peter threw him out of Boys Town so fast his exit created a sonic boom."

Twelve former employees described the exit in recent interviews as just the opposite - absolutely hushed.

"That guy just disappeared overnight," said Steve Halley, who was a Boys Town police officer at the time and later became police chief. Halley was unaware of any police investigation of Colbert. The Village of Boys Town has its own police department.

Halley recalled that then-Police Chief Robert Allbritton said, "Father Peter says that Father Colbert was called back to his home parish." Allbritton laughed at the explanation, Halley said. Allbritton died in 1993.

Current Boys Town Police Chief Martin Crowley said he could not check whether police had records of the incident without a victim's name. The former Boys Town employees did not know the name. Colbert declined to disclose it.

Four former Boys Town administrators, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the investigation did not follow Boys Town procedures and was not reported to police or the state.

Colbert worked at Boys Town for three years, teaching religion and counseling youths.

Colbert, 61, a priest of the Society of the Precious Blood, is pastor of St. Ann's Catholic Church in Warsaw, Mo. He says his relationship with the boy was not sexual or abusive.

"In my case there was no reason to make a report," he said.

The youth later accused Colbert of sexual abuse, but neither Boys Town nor law enforcement authorities were involved in that investigation, which ended with the youth retracting the accusation, the priest said.

"I got emotionally involved with this person," Colbert said. "I had taken him out to dinner, things like that."

The Boys Town investigation started, Colbert said, after someone saw him touch the boy in his "thigh, rump area" when the youth was a patient at the St. Joseph Center for Mental Health. The boy was dressed, the priest said, and having a seizure. "I was trying to soothe him."

The Boys Town investigation concluded that Colbert did not sexually abuse the youth but that the conduct was inappropriate, according to the priest and the former provincial director of his religious order.

Davis, a Boys Town attorney, did not know details of the investigation and referred questions to the public relations office of Boys Town, which changed its name in 2000 to Girls and Boys Town.

Spokesman John Melingagio released a four-paragraph statement that did not mention Colbert but said in part:

"Hospitals, nursing homes and protective institutions are committed to the health and safety of all patients and clients. At times there are circumstances where it is in the best interest of both the employee and employer to sever the employment relationship - because you want to err on the side of safety and keeping everyone on the straight and narrow. This happens regularly in these institutions and Girls and Boys Town is no exception. Such is the situation of the case in point."

In recent interviews, 12 former Boys Town employees, including several former administrators, recalled Colbert's sudden departure and the hush that surrounded it. None knew all the details. Except for Halley and former religion department Chairman Mike Carotta, the former employees spoke on the condition of anonymity.

A former religion teacher said Carotta called the religion department together and told the teachers: "Father Colbert will no longer be teaching here. And your continued employment will depend on how professionally you handle this."

Carotta, who taught for four years at Boys Town and now lives in Louisville, Ky., recalled Colbert's sudden departure but not the conversation. He said the discussion probably took place in a context of whether it was appropriate to discuss personnel matters in class.

Colbert and the Rev. Mark Miller, former provincial director of the Society of the Precious Blood, said Boys Town, the order and Colbert agreed that the priest should leave.

Colbert said he received a letter from Boys Town that "explicitly stated there was no sexual abuse." He turned the letter over to his provincial director and does not have a copy, he said. Miller said the order would not release the letter.

A few years after Colbert left Boys Town, the youth told his local priest that Colbert sexually abused him. The priest contacted the Precious Blood order. Colbert said the youth withdrew his accusation during the order's investigation.

Miller confirmed that an investigation of Colbert started as a sexual abuse case. "The final conclusion is not sexual misconduct," he said, declining to say more.

Miller said that after sex abuse allegations against priests surfaced across the nation, officials last year reviewed the Colbert case and again decided that the incident did not warrant removal from the ministry.

Colbert has spent the past 15 years as a priest in various Missouri parishes.

Since 2000 he has been pastor at St. Ann's in Warsaw, a resort town of 2,000 people on the shores of Truman Lake, about 80 miles southeast of Kansas City. He is also a pastor at Sts. Peter and Paul Church in nearby Cole Camp. He previously served parishes in Fayette, Russellville and Pilot Grove.

He was assigned to Boys Town from 1985 to 1988. Before that, he served at St. Joseph Hospital in Omaha and at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Nebraska City.

Colbert hopes his case won't be viewed in the light of the Catholic church's sex abuse scandal. "We know a lot more now than we did then, as far as boundaries go," he said.

[sw]

My two cents is that the Catholic Church and this political sex ring stuff and MKULTRA are closely related. This is only my opinion from living in my own family and seeing the history and the intertwined threads.

Grandfather who was Big Catholic was the one who worked at Bureau of Narcotics and got me into MKULTRA.

Dad worked at Boys Town after graduating from Creighton. He was in the seminary to be a priest but later left and went into the military.

About 35 years ago I found a diary my father had kept while at Boys Town as a seminarian. It seemed clear to me from reading that extensive journal that my dad was DID and had a religious part and then other sexual perp parts.

By the way, when Bishop DiNardo who is now Cardinal Dinardo came to the Houston Diocese, he had been in the Iowa Diocese. So, when Bishop/ Cardinal Dinardo came on board, I went forward to him about Boys Town and my abuse with Richard. I told him all about the cover up in Boys Town and with Richard. Just got silence from him. That tells me where he stands. In silence protecting perps.

The ritual abuse of which I only have a handful of memories was very similar to the mass at the Catholic Church. Being abused at these RA events was just like being at mass. Honest to God, Bizarre similar.

So, I think they are all related.

[chiggerbit]

One of the things that strikes me as possibly odd is that we hear so much more about priests having sex with minors than we do about them having sex with adults. Is that just the nature of the legalities and litigation?

[chiggerbit]

Well, at least deCamp tried to force the Church to acknowledge it's role in supporting the abuse of Bonacci. Here's deCamp in an interview with Alex Jones. AJ is the darker text.



http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... _abuse.htm

....When your client, Paul Bonacci, filed a law suit against Larry King of the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, you also named the Catholic Arch diocese of Omaha as a co-defendant. Why?


The reason was that my client said that it was because of a couple of Catholic priests there started doing improper things to him at a very young age that started him into the tragic life that he led. The federal judge ruled that it was not possible to name the archdiocese—that it couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything, because how would they know what individual priests had been doing. In other words: “How would the bishop have known anything to stop it?”

This sounds just like the current controversy in Boston, except this happened long before the Boston scandal.

That’s right. It was exactly like Boston. I took it so seriously at the time that I went to Rome and met with Cardinal Ratzinger. He’s the one who has been in charge of this systemic problem in the church of priests involved in pedophilia. Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn’t get anyone to do anything 12 or 13 years ago when I was writing about this and filing my lawsuit.

I appealed the decision removing the diocese from my lawsuit. I went before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals and they upheld the judge’s decision in favor of removal of the diocese.

I went on to win the rest of the lawsuit against Larry King, but I was always bitter because I knew that I was right. This problem of priests abusing their position and abusing young children was a serious problem and not being properly dealt with by the church.

Of course, there have been some major cases in recent years, but these cases trace back to events many years ago. So now we have the Catholic Archdiocese in Boston paying out millions to settle claims. But my case in Omaha was thrown out.

When in the course of your investigations did you begin to realize that Boys Town in Omaha was essentially a “farm” for what you determined to be a national network of pedophiles that extended well beyond pedophilic priests?

When the children I was representing—and in the course of interviewing others—brought the role of Boys Town up as a central point. At least certain elements of Boys Town were being improperly used.....

I wonder who the priest was.

[Hairball]

Back in May the Ryan Commission reported the findings of its 10 year investigation into the running of institutions by 18 Catholic organisations in Ireland. These were 'care homes' for orphans and delinquents and children deemed to be destitute. It was found that ten of thousands of children were systematically abused in just about every way possible for just over half the 20th century.

The total sadism and complete cover up exposed really beggars belief. I found it particularly chilling that in the wake of the report a good number of senior politicians here were praising the work of the organisations involved and called for there to be no prosecutions since the abusers were of advanced years. This should be little surprise though since much of the political ruling class in this country owe their education to some of the most abusive religious orders. The money they were given to educate the least fortunate was instead diverted to teaching the children of the rich, while the children in 'care' were left illiterate and worked as slaves on farms and making handicrafts such as rosary beads until their hands bled.

Obviously a slave labour camp requires a certain workforce in order to operate efficently. To this end the parameters of what condition a child had to be in to warrant committal (often requiring toddlers to be convited of the crime of being destitute) were extended to fill the quotas.

This geniunely upsetting clip may give some idea of the anger much of my country felt about the report's findings.
*TRIGGERING* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQGczIx6Sg *TRIGGERING*

But nothing has really been done. I've seen reports that the Catholic orders involved have assests of about €20billion. Since a good deal of this is the proceeds of slavery it would seem elementary to me that it be confiscated. This won't happen. There were accusations at the time that the polititians arguing on behalf of these orders were members of "The Order of the Knights of St. Columbanus", alledging that this is a secret society devoted to the protection of Catholic interests at any cost.

Another report - this one into the abuse of children in the Dublin Diocese by serving priests - is due to be released possibly as early as Monday. It investigated how allegations of sexual abuse by a sample of 46 priests were handled by the state and the Catholic church. The current Achibishop has said that at least 400 priests (ON EDIT: I can't find the source for this number anymore, I do see 120; 400 would probably be half the priests in the Diocese) had abused thousands of children among a population of 1.5million. He had pleaded with his predecessor, Cardinal Desmond Connell, to release files he had on the abuse to the authorities. The Cardinal refused citing legal advice, and only acquiesced after tripping on the steps of a church in Rome and breaking his hip at the height of the controversy. It's expected that this report will find that priests who were caught abusing children were moved to fresh pastures by their superiors where they could continue to abuse children among a naive community.

Clearly these people are evil if such a thing exists. It seems to me that a good many of them must have DID in order to be able to function in society and abuse children at the same time. Certainly there was a conspiracy to protect them. It seems that there was also a conspiracy to allow them to continue abusing children. Trying to imagine why this would be so makes my brain hurt. For what it's worth Malachi Martin suggested a Satanic takeover had taken place in the Vatican. I don't think you need to involve Satan to explain that a sizeable percentage of people who are given authority over others will come to objectify them and abuse them in every way they can imagine. Similarly hierarchical organisations that don't cover up wrongdoings by their members quickly lose power and influence and soon cease to exist.

By its very nature just about everything the Catholic Church does will be conspiratorial.

[Hairball]

Gah, that's not what I wanted to write at all. Thinking about these things really messes with my mind. I'm so angry at what sw and others have endured at the hands of these twisted people. I believe that the CC had intimate knowledge of what went on regarding Boy's Town. They have systematically covered up every evil action carried out by their uniformed members no matter what extra damage this does. Ratzinger himself was promoted to Peter's throne depsite being the chief stoker in these cover-ups. Any apologies he makes are hollow in the extreme. Whether they knew about the evil Franklin operation I really can't be sure but it's hard to believe that at the very least some individual priests were aware of and involved in what was happening. Similarly JP II himself could have been the sole organiser of the whole thing.

I reread Joël van der Reijden's amazingly researched and throughly depressing articles about Dutroux and the secret societies and it makes me feel so helpless. That the Catholic Church supported at high levels the establishment of the Facist stay-behind networks that carried out false flag terror on their fellow citizens is indisputable. I see no reason not to believe that they would use trauma-based mind control for absolutely evil deeds towards whatever ends they wanted. They are consumate experts at inflicting trauma, and it's hard to believe they haven't been using this 'technology' for centuries and likely that they carried it over from when they used to be the Roman Empire. I have no proof that they compromise/initiate politicians and businessmen by filling them full of cocaine before videotaping them abusing children - but they'd be one of the few powerful organisation that don't.

They certainly helped Nazi war criminals escape prosecution. Surely they are capable of anything.

Sorry for the rant.

[operator kos]

I've been watching the Boys Town sex abuse scandal for a long time now, and wondering at how the conspiracy theories seem to just ricochet off of the role of the Catholic church. How is it that, for a board that sees eugenics behind every effort to distribute birth control pills, and Jews behind every banker, no one here ever asks if the Cathoic Church was a participant in this conspiracy, or maybe it's coverup?

I think you've momentarily confused this board with Rense. People here don't buy into that right wing baptist patriot bullshit.

But otherwise, you do raise a good question, one I've been pondering myself. Unfortunately, I don't have any good answers at the moment, but I think Hairball makes some good points.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Uh....personally, I'm more likely to suspect Vatican influence than Zionists or Eugenics. I think Eugenics is a necessary conversation we need to be having as a species, in fact. (Not that anyone is qualified to either lead that convo, or make decisions as a result of it, see...that's the catch.)

Then again, I also recently made some offhand flippant remarks about Ron Paul supporters, so I'll chalk that up to mammals being mammals. We all cast aspersions, we can't help it.

The Vatican is a real deal engine of evil around the world. I think you've got an excellent point that conspiracy heads under-estimate the abundantly documented, in-plain-sight network there.

Then again, I'm also baffled by "The Vatican is really The Joos" memetics, too.

But...in terms of Elite Pedophilia networks? Hard to look anywhere else but under Ratzinger's magic robes.

[Truth4Youth]

A few years ago I used to promote the "Jesuits Control Everything" meme that Eric Jon Phelps and a few others popularized. I used to listen to Greg Szymanski regularly and even donated some money to him. Kind regret that donation now actually as I've come a long way since then and have developed a better bullshit detector since then (most likely thanks to RI and a few other places 'round the net).

That said, I'd say the Vatican still has much real dirty laundry (cough... Vatican Bank... cough... Roberto Calvi... cough...).

Accusations of Vatican involement in SRA have been around for a while. From what I understand Det. Jim Rothstein, who's been working with Noreen Gosch, has made such accusations. As did Father Malachi Martin, although he did it through a "fictional" novel called Windswept House (although he did seem to believe that there was SRA going on within the church). There's a whole book about such claims by a guy named William H. Kennedy, too:



http://www.williamhkennedy.com/

[Sounder]

Hairball wrote….

I don't think you need to involve Satan to explain that a sizeable percentage of people who are given authority over others will come to objectify them and abuse them in every way they can imagine. Similarly hierarchical organisations that don't cover up wrongdoings by their members quickly lose power and influence and soon cease to exist.

If Satan is seen as Ahriman or ‘the fixed principle’, rather than as a being or entity, then those who maintain dogma and static conceptual structures, can be said to resonate with or ‘worship’ Ahriman. This fits the CC to a tee, as their whole identity is derived from their ability to maintain the legitimacy of their authority. Sub-consciously these folk must know that their authority is not legitimate, so their conscious mind resorts to perversions to maintain their putative ‘authority’.

Hairball, its OK to rant sometimes.

At least Rat-zinger has the right name for his job.

[Jeff]

I think I've posted this twice before, but here it is again:

Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church

And Sounder, this needs repeating too:

If Satan is seen as Ahriman or ‘the fixed principle’, rather than as a being or entity, then those who maintain dogma and static conceptual structures, can be said to resonate with or ‘worship’ Ahriman. This fits the CC to a tee, as their whole identity is derived from their ability to maintain the legitimacy of their authority.

[sw]

What totally blows me away about the CC is the complete control they have over their subjects. It's like you take one thinking, reasoning, intelligent adult that outside the walls of a CC, they'd protest or think. Then, you take that same person and when they walk through the doors of that CC, they lose all rational thought. They go in and blinding listen without intuition. Even if they never met that priest in their life...that priest is superior to them in knowledge and opinion just because the CC made that person a priest. Those robes are like magic robes. They transform an everyday person into God or a person that is superior in every way than the people who come through the doors.

My family is a great example. They know Richard abused me. They know the bishop attacked me. They still worship that same CC and seem confused why I don't want to join them even knowing my history. They seem to really believe in their hearts and souls that they can only reach God and Jesus through this institution through these men. It's like they are happy in that cage, because it is a safe cage and they are familiar with the cage. If God himself came down and opened the door to the cage to set them free, they'd go to the back of the cage and cower despite the door being open, the cage stinking with filth and God himself with the outreached arms.

It really is amazing. And sad.

[chiggerbit]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex20.htm

Overview:

Sexual abuse of youths and children in the U.S. by Roman Catholic priests had been quietly discussed for decades. A series of books on the topic was published -- starting during the 1990s, and continuing today. But it was only in early 2002 that a moral panic surfaced, alleging widespread child and youth sexual abuse by priests. The little data that is available seems to indicate that the abusers represent a very small percentage of the total priesthood. Further, very few of those priests who do abuse are actually pedophiles, as the media often reports. Rather they are hebephiles -- generally adult priests with a homosexual or bisexual orientation, and who are also sexually attracted to post-pubertal males. Their victims are teenage males who are generally aged 16 and 17.

It is important to keep in mind that the vast majority of priests, with a heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual orientation, do not molest or sexually abuse young people.


Survey:

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a survey of Roman Catholic church records of abusive clergy, to be completed by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The survey is one component of the Dallas Charter, a plan developed by the bishops in 2002 to respond to allegations of widespread child abuse by priests, and of extensive cover-ups by the church. CNN.com obtained a draft copy of the report and posted a summary on their web site on 2004-FEB-17. 1 The final version was released on 2004-FEB-27.

Some of the raw data contained in the report: Years covered: 1950 to 2002.

Percentage of bishops who provided information: 97% 3

Total number of allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests: 11,000. Number substantiated: 6,700 (61%).
Number unsubstantiated: 1,000 (9.1%).
Number which were not investigated because the allegations were made after the priest's death: 3,300.


Number of priests who served during the interval: 110,000. Number of priests alleged to have abused children: 4,450.
Percentage of abusive priests: 4.0%


Number of priests who are currently serving: 44,000

Number of cases of abuse per priest: Most priests were accused of a single event
1,112 priests (25.0%) had two or three allegations
578 priests (13%) had four to nine allegations.
133 priests (2.9%) had ten or more allegations.


Age of the victims: Almost 6% were 7 years of age or younger.
16% were 8,9 or 10 years old.
78% were 11 to 17 years old.


Factors contributing to the abuse problem, as stated by the report: Failure by the hierarchy to grasp the seriousness of the problem.
Overemphasis on the need to avoid a scandal.
Use of unqualified treatment centers.
Misguided willingness to forgive.
Insufficient accountability.



According to Paul McHugh, a member of the National Review Board, the epidemic of child abuse cases sprang up "...early in the 1960s and reached tidal-wave proportions in the 1970s and early 1980s."

The report suffers from what public-health workers call "reporting bias." Some details of the 11,000 cases of alleged abuse are known. But there exists another "pool of victims of unknown size...outside of their accounting..." They might never come to light.

By reaching back to the year 1950, the John Jay study showed that the 1950s were comparatively free of predators. It went relatively unrecognized during the 1970s and 1980s. The level of abuse appears to be abating now. 3



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Responses to the draft survey:

Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, issued a written statement saying, in part:

"I have not seen the reports, and so I cannot comment on their substance. But I want to reaffirm that the bishops requested these studies so that we could understand as fully as possible what caused this terrible occurrence in the life of our community to make sure that it never happens again."

"My heart goes out to all who have suffered, and I assure them especially that the bishops are committed to fully implementing the Dallas Charter and will continue to work with the Office of Child and Youth Protection and the National Review Board to reach out to victims and prevent such abuse from occurring in the future."

David Clohessy director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP) stated on 2004-FEB-16 that the numbers are low. He is reported as saying:

"Bishops have tried to hide this for years, so there is no reason to believe all of a sudden they would change their ways. The only prudent thing to do is to assume this is not the entire truth. This is a survey, not a report or investigation."

Steve Krueger, who heads the Voice of the Faithful --a Catholic group formed in response to the priest sex abuse scandal -- suggests that the report is incomplete. He said:

"Although it counts the number of children who have been abused, the number of priests who have abused children, the total financial cost to the church, it does not chronicle the number of bishops who knowingly re-assigned priests who had abused children...Without that kind of investigation, there can be no accountability."

Tom Roberts, editor of the National Catholic Reporter stated:

"This has long ceased to be just a scandal about sex abuse. It's a scandal about abuse of power and trust, and a breech of faith with people."


General observations: It is important to keep one's eye on the forest and not on the trees. Even if, as this report estimates, four percent of priests have sexually abused youths or children, that still leaves about 96% of priests (24 priests out of every 25) who are non-abusive.

A very large percentage of the victims of sexual abuse by priests are 16 or 17 years of age. In some jurisdictions, young persons of this age range can consent to sexual activity. Sexual activity with youth in that age range would be a gross violation of the Church's expectation of priestly chastity. It would be considered by many to be an abuse of trust by a person in authority. However, it might not be considered a criminal act in some jurisdictions.

If the report's estimate that 22% of the abuse involves victims under the age of ten, then a case can be made that abuse of young, pre-pubertal, children by priests may be lower than among the general population of males in the U.S.



References:
"Draft survey: 4,450 priests accused of sex abuse. Bishop: 'Very sobering and important milestone'," CNN.com, 2004-FEB-17, at: http://edition.cnn.com/
The John Jay College of Criminal Justice has a web site at: http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/.
Paul McHugh, "Dismantling the Culture," Baltimore Sun, 2004-MAR-3.



Copyright © 2004 to 2009 by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Originally written: 2004-FEB-17
Latest update: 2009-AUG-30
Author: B.A. Robinson