Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:38 am

So representatives of thirty nations were deliberating on how to handle the disclosure?
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby nathan28 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:26 am

I'll fucking represent all those nations if they can take me, two cats and my wife the fuck away from this dying rock. Throw in a dog for medical experimentation, too, well, not really, but he can fly in cargo
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Nordic » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:21 am

justdrew wrote:as for microbes, that feels like it's just a mater of time, there almost has to be life "out there" in that form. but I don't see why that would be soon, we're a long ways off from a sample return from mars, and we're still not sure where to dig, even though they may well be there.

if such life is found, it virtually guarantees that somewhere there is other life that builds things and talks, but will we get to meet it? I've always felt it was sure to happen in this lifetime, yet I'm awfully pessimistic lately.


Read the Scientific American article, apparently that is exactly what has happened, and we didn't have to dig for them, they just came here on their own. Some asteroid blasted into Mars, blew some rocks our way, they landed here, and presto, they have Martian microbes on them.

At least that's what I got out of it.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:15 pm

And again:

Aliens Exist And Will Be Found Pretty Soon, Say Scientists
TECH 5/24/2014 @ 7:42PM | 57,858 views

It used to be that if you asked an astronomer if there was intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, you’d get some sort of hedged response involving the vastness of the universe and statistical probabilities that you’d expect from a diligent scientist.

I’ve asked this question recently of a few astronomers from NASA, and also from the massive Keck observatory in Hawaii, and I’ve received a version of that same old response, but with a new preface that has become more common in recent years. It’s usually something like: “Well, we might be able to answer that question relatively soon.”

This past week, a few scientists took it a step further and gave the U.S. Congress a relative date by which they expect we’ll have discovered signs of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

“It is not hyperbolic to suggest that scientists could very well discover extraterrestrial intelligence within two decades’ time or less, given resources to conduct the search,” Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute, said in testimony before the U.S. House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

So there you have it. Aliens by 2034. That’s actually a few decades ahead of the date of first contact in the fictional “Star Trek” series — April 5, 2063.

It is worth noting that in the last decade, Shostak was floating the date 2025 as a likely end to our apparent cosmic isolation, and as recently as February he was talking about a date “two dozen years out.” So, clearly Shostak isn’t trying to win any bets by calling the specific date we find E.T., but rather the point is that the current rate of technological advancement makes it likely that we’ll be able to find that evidence within a single generation.

Much of the credit for this level of confidence among Astrobiologists like Shostak can be credited to discoveries made by the latest generation of telescopes, perhaps most notably the Kepler planet-hunting space telescope, which continues to deliver a steady stream of of revelations about just how common not only distant planets, but potential Earth analogs are in far-off solar systems.

“Recent analyses of Kepler data suggest that as many as one star in five will have a habitable, Earth-size planet in orbit around it,” Shostak told the lawmakers. “This number could be too large by perhaps a factor of two or three, but even so it implies that the Milky Way is home to 10 to 80 billion cousins of Earth.”

Of course, even the nearest of these Earth cousins will remain much too distant for us to visit in person for the foreseeable future, but that doesn’t mean we can’t continue to scan the heavens for evidence that alien civilizations exist beyond our own rock, locked to our own star as it is. Shostak’s favored method of searching for extra-terrestrial life (SETI) is to keep a giant digital ear to the sky for alien radio transmissions, but these efforts have never been fully funded to the level necessary to do the comprehensive search required to find the proverbial E.T. needle in the massive haystack that is the universe.

Shostak hopes that by investing in SETI now, we will be able to take advantage of our dramatically increased computing power to tune into a very distant talk show or whatever it is that aliens might have broadcast at one point. And while he didn’t mention them during what was essentially a pitch for funding for radio SETI, there are other projects coming up that will surely help bolster the search and perhaps even Shostak’s timeline for that existential discovery.

Kepler and the other leading telescopes that have greatly contributed to our relatively new understanding of how plentiful planets are throughout the universe are nearing the end of their usefulness. The next several years will see the debut of many next generation telescopes like the James Webb Space Telescope and huge terrestrial ‘scopes in Hawaii, Chile and elsewhere that will complement the search, making it all the more likely that we really will be able to say relatively soon that we are not alone.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:04 pm

Prof Stephen Hawking backs venture to listen for aliens
By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News

Prof Stephen Hawking has launched a new effort to answer the question of whether there is life elsewhere in space.

The venture is said to be the biggest yet in support of the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence.

The 10-year effort will listen for broadcast signals from a million of the stars closest to Earth.

The £64m ($100m) initiative was launched by the Breakthrough Initiatives group at the Royal Society in London.

Speaking at the launch, Prof Hawking said: "Somewhere in the cosmos, perhaps, intelligent life may be watching these lights of ours, aware of what they mean.

"Or do our lights wander a lifeless cosmos - unseen beacons, announcing that here, on one rock, the Universe discovered its existence. Either way, there is no bigger question. It's time to commit to finding the answer - to search for life beyond Earth.

"We are alive. We are intelligent. We must know."

Those behind the initiative claim it to be the biggest scientific search ever undertaken for signs of intelligent life beyond Earth. They plan to cover 10 times more of the sky than previous programmes and scan five times more of the radio spectrum, 100 times faster.

It will involve access to two of the world's most powerful telescopes. - the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia and the Parkes Telescope in New South Wales, Australia.

Among those involved in the search is Lord Martin Rees, the Astronomer Royal.

"The search for extra-terrestrial life is the most exciting quest in 21st-century science. The Breakthrough Initiatives aim to put it on the same level as the other ultimate scientific questions," he said.

The public will be invited to participate in efforts to find a signal from another world through the SETI@home project.

Yuri Milner, a high tech US based-billionaire and founder of the initiative said technology had developed to a point where it was possible to put listening for signs of extra-terrestrial intelligence on a proper scientific footing.

He said: "Current technology gives us a real chance to answer one of humanity's biggest questions: Are we alone?

"With Breakthrough Listen, we're committed to bringing the Silicon Valley approach to the search for intelligent life in the Universe. Our approach to data will be open and taking advantage of the problem-solving power of social networks.

Prof Hawking added that he believed the search was one of humanity's most important scientific endeavors.

"To understand the Universe, you must know about atoms - about the forces that bind them, the contours of space and time, the birth and death of stars, the dance of galaxies, the secrets of black holes," he explained.

"But that is not enough. These ideas cannot explain everything. They can explain the light of stars, but not the lights that shine from planet Earth.

"To understand these lights, you must know about life. About minds."
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:53 pm

Maybe they're just gonna go to Ceres and check out those damn lights!
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Elvis » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:11 am

I'd say there has been a shift in popular science reporting; rather than assuming that 'we're alone in the universe,' astronomers, exobiologists et al. are now putting across a new mainstream assumption that -- given the size and age of the universe, and the once-mind-boggling number of planets -- there must be others out there. Slowly, slowly...
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:21 am

Any of you cats/kitties run SETI At Home as that screen saver? I think it was the first thing I ever downloaded. I would watch that thinking every spike was a communication. How naive.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:39 am

I like this, applying class consciousness to SETI. It's cognitive bias on my part, this is how I already feel about any sufficiently advanced civilization.

Fear of a Capitalist Planet
Astronomers look to the stars, and only see themselves.
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Have you ever seen an alien? Scientists haven’t, but that hasn’t stopped them from speculating that imperialist extraterrestrials could be on the way.

With the exception of one inconclusive blip in 1977, we haven’t detected signs of alien intelligence. Having scoured our solar system with probes and turned up empty, extraterrestrial (ET) signal searchers now survey the galaxy on the radio portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, where photons can traverse interstellar distances and arrive on Earth unscathed.

The most prominent and well-funded organized effort to search radio bands is led by the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute, a private nonprofit foundation that borrows time on radio telescopes or scans the skies using their own arrays.

While the SETI Institute has been actively searching for forty years, there have been few attempts to send out focused radio signals of our own towards presumptive inhabited worlds. This poses a conundrum: why should humans expect aliens to send out focused “hello” signals of their own, if we do not do it ourselves? This idea, that we should send out messages in addition to listen for them, is known as “Active SETI.”

As the SETI Institute’s Douglas Vakoch explained to Slate last month:
In the past we’ve always assumed that any extraterrestrial civilization with the capacity to detect us will automatically take the initiative to make contact, sending us a powerful signal to let us know they exist. . . . But there may be civilizations out there that refuse to reveal their existence unless we make it clear that we want to make contact.


This February, at a symposium at the American Association for the Advancement of Science Convention in San Jose, Vakoch proposed that we stop only listening and start talking too. Vakoch’s words touched off a dispute that culminated in an open letter warning of Active SETI’s risks, signed mostly by scientists but also by Tesla/SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, science writer George Dyson, and science fiction author Paul Davies.

This isn’t the first time scientists have sounded the alarms about Active SETI. Physicist Stephen Hawking argued against contacting ET, in a prophecy seemingly cribbed from the Independence Day screenplay:
We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.


Back in 2006, an editorial appeared in the pages of Nature arguing that, while the chances are “remote,” actively messaging aliens poses “small but real dangers,” including the possibility of “alien ‘black-ops’ specialists working out ways to exploit” human psychology based on intel from our radio messages.

Let’s take a step back and consider these warnings, made in earnest by this group of scientists, engineers and businessmen. Are their assumptions and predictions about alien life grounded in science and logic?

If we look to the way that neoliberalism has shaped our thought and culture, fears about ET map perfectly. Aliens could be potential competitors for resources, they claim — presumably, having left their home planet to exploit, extract, and enslave, following a pattern not dissimilar to what unfolded over four hundred years of global capitalism.

Aliens could be imperialists, leaving their home planet to colonize and mold humanity to their own social and political logic — like the American colonial projects in Iraq, Afghanistan, and any of dozens of other countries over the past century.

Tellingly, aliens are projected to possess the same technological triumphalism as Silicon Valley, equating “technological advancement” with “progress,” even when the two have little to do with each other. In their theoretical hostility, the aliens could have a certain machismo we lack: the consummate corporate competitors, with more so-called technology, more violence, and more willingness to use force.

This is not science. This is hegemony at its most powerful and invisible, posing as logic. In these fears, we see a soup of recent historically specific troubles, blended and projected. Anti–Active SETI co-signers see imperialism as universal, quite literally — that is, extending across the universe.

That aliens would have imperial ambitions is taken as natural. Far from being the historical outcome of a specific organization of capital in the latter half of the second millennium, these signatories assume that the ideology of capitalist imperialism is inevitable across the galaxy.

It hasn’t always been this way. In 1877, astronomer Percival Lowell looked up at Mars and thought he saw canals. “Girdling their globe and stretching from pole, to pole, the Martian canal system not only embraces their whole world, but is an organized entity,” he wrote of the features on Mars, which we now know to be an optical illusion. His claim was preceded by the astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli, a confidant of Lowell’s who had first “discovered” the canals, looking through his telescope in Italy.

Lowell’s projections did not stop there, though. Lowell, a wealthy, Harvard-educated Boston aristocrat and heir to a cotton fortune, went as far as to extrapolate the nature of Martian society, culture, and government, starting from his blurry observations of their so-called canal system. Correctly observing Mars’s white polar regions, he proposed that the canals delivered water from the icy poles to the equator, perhaps for agricultural purposes.

Lowell also enlisted the help of sociologist Lester Frank Ward to speculate on the nature of the Martian culture, along with zoologist and American Academy of Sciences–inductee Edward Morse to give credence to his speculation.

The era in which Lowell and Schiaparelli hypothesized the Martian canals was a time of great social upheaval, in which the abilities and might of humankind were expanding in unimaginable ways. Electrification and combustion engines had changed the human relationship to machines and enabled unprecedented prosperity, and imperial western powers had begun geological engineering on an unprecedented scale — the Suez canal and the abortive French attempt at the Panama Canal being but two examples.

Meanwhile, the Industrial Revolution had driven rural peasants into urban factory jobs, spurring revolt and discontent across Europe. Schiaparelli, who had moved from Italy to Berlin during the 1850s to study astronomy, lived in Europe in a time when the lower classes were repeatedly discovering radical politics and the upper classes repeatedly trying to quell their uprisings.

Both Schiaparelli and Lowell projected their own class biases, assumptions, and historical circumstances on Martian society. The wealthy scion Lowell postulated that the Martians lived in an oligarchic, elitist society, where only the fittest, most evolved and technologically savvy aliens survived the harsh Martian climate. Lowell invoked the philosophy of Herbert Spencer, the conservative philosopher and sociologist he admired and whose worldview fit with his bourgeois, elitist politics.

Schiaparelli disagreed with Lowell in regards to the nature of the Martian society. After performing detailed calculations into the nature of the Martian irrigation systems, Schiaparelli decided that a Martian society with the organizational capacity to construct planet-wide canals — a “plumber’s paradise” (paradiso degli idraulici), as he called it — could be a “paradise for socialism” (il paradiso dei socialisti). Red planet, indeed.

Science is assumed to be universal and empirical, and scientists — who, like all of us, sometimes stray out of their realm of expertise — carry this stamp of power with them into other spheres.

Hence, in 2015, a group of scientists and CEOs, with no empirical evidence about any alien culture, can make brazen, culturally biased assumptions about aliens, and be taken seriously — when really they see themselves in the aliens. In fact, their beliefs have little to do with science and everything to do with the society in which they were raised, and their elevated place in it.

Fear of ET as invasive colonists presupposes that the aliens have no culture or history of their own — that they are merely an anonymous, imperial horde. Andrea Smith has written of “the racial logic of Orientalism” as marking “certain peoples or nations as inferior and as posing a constant threat to the well-being of empire.” Certain racial and ethnic groups, she writes, will be seen as “civilized,” even as they’re “imagined as permanent foreign threats to empire.” Replace “people” with “aliens” and you start to see Orientalist parallels in the way aliens are conceived.

To many scientists, the idea that an alien civilization would be an imperial capitalist species speaks to the power of capitalism as a social formation. Posing as universal, it imparts certain beliefs about humans (and now aliens): that they are competitive, violent, fundamentally self-interested, aspiring to power at the expense of others — when in fact, these are not even human traits. These are traits assumed by our economic system and the peculiar way it seeks to control people, in order to mold them into compliant laborers and consumers.

The idea that humans possess inherent traits is known as “biological determinism” — the notion that traits we observe in ourselves are natural, products of our biology, not of the cultural and historical situation we live in. For instance, one may see a homeless man sleeping on the sidewalk and assume he is a failure at life because of his genes, or say that women are incapable of being serious scientists because of their sex, or that all men must harbor aggression because of their biology.

Racism and sexism flow freely if you take biological determinism for granted, and conservatives often use biological determinism as a fallback for their arguments — despite the fact that anthropologists are near-ubiquitous in their assertion that that biological determinism is flagrantly false. “All cultures have sex, aggression, etc., but whether and how it is expressed is subordinate to the cultural order,” anthropologist Marshall Sahlins writes. In the anti–Active SETI troupe, we see a mutated form of this: astrobiological determinism.

If you think that the scientists’ concerns are anthropocentric, deterministic, and absurd, you’re right. It is fruitless to argue over the cultural and imperial ambitions of uncontacted aliens. Knowing nothing about them, it is not possible to project scientifically about their culture — in the event that we do, we are not doing science. We are anthropomorphizing.

If we are to project into the future, it’s worth asking of our own culture — the only culture of any intelligent life form we know of — what kind of human civilization would last millions of years, long enough to contact or be contacted by other intelligent life? Probably not a capitalist one. Energy-hungry, competitive, xenophobic, oppressing people and ravaging the planet in search of resources and wealth for a tiny few — this is not a long-term model. We will extinguish ourselves in the next century or two if we continue on this path.

If we want to hold onto the hope of meeting other alien civilizations, it is in our interest to survive long enough to make the discovery. The Milky Way is 150,000 light years across; it could take hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands of years to have a two-way conversation. A civilization capable of this feat is a stable, peaceful one, that avoids war and famine by means of cooperation, providing for its citizens, while maintaining a scientific curiosity about the universe — and investing in curiosity for curiosity’s sake.

Right now, this isn’t what we are. Our social and economic system devastates the planet and siphons money away from science that is not in the direct interest of capital, and discourages even thoughts of an alternative economic or social system. It is our duty to imagine this — to become the red planet — before we begin to imagine aliens.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:12 pm

Nasa ‘on verge’ of announcing alien life discovery, claims hacking group Anonymous

'We are on the verge of making one of the most profound and unprecedented discoveries in history', Nasa official quoted as saying

Narjas Zatat

a day ago

Anonymous says Nasa is “on the verge” of announcing the existence of extra-terrestrial life.

A YouTube account affiliated with the hacking group has released a video making the claim.

It cites statements made by associate administrator for Nasa Thomas Zurbuchen during a congressional hearing on ‘Advances in the Search for Life’ in April.

The collective quoted Dr Zurbuchen as saying: “Our civilisation is on the verge of discovering evidence of alien life in the cosmos.

“Taking into account all of the different activities and missions that are specifically searching for evidence of alien life we are on the verge of making one of the most profound and unprecedented discoveries in history.”

The video adds that a number of recent findings, including the presence of hydrogen in Saturn’s moon discovered by the Cassini exploration craft, as well as the existence of oceans on Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter, provide grounds for optimism humanity must be close to encountering life that is not native to Earth.

Last week Nasa announced the discovery of 219 new suspected planets outside our solar system, including 10 which share characteristics with Earth.

They are “rocky”, like our planet, and exist in their solar systems’ “Goldilocks zone’, the optimum distance from their star for the existence of liquid water.

Detected by the Kepler space telescope, it brings the total number of suspected exo-planets the machine has identified to 4,034, 50 of which are near-Earth-size habitable zone candidates.

In a statement, Nasa said: “Results using Kepler data suggest two distinct size groupings of small planets. Both results have significant implications for the search of life.”

Anonymous also spoke of the discovery of a star system near to our own via the red dwarf TRAPPIST-1, which may have seven planets like Earth orbiting it and is only 39 light years away.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Grizzly » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:13 pm

" As I was going up the stair
I met a man who wasn't there!
He wasn't there again today,
Oh how I wish he'd go away!" [5][6][7]

When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn't see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don't you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door...

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away...


There was a man upon the stair
When I looked back, he wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I think he's from the CIA.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:50 pm

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One must chuckle (mirthlessly or otherwise) when reading the title of this thread, "official disclosure... is imminent" , first posted in 2009.

'Imminent' is relative, of course.
In the lifespan of the earth, an event occuring 1000 yrs from now can readily be considered imminent.
For a human, anything beyond a week's worth of time passage is no longer imminent.
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:28 pm

What is remarkable to me: the consistent demand for this product.

Seems like there's a ~2-5 year cycle people go through before they either 1) get disillusioned with Greer & The Gang, or 2) go Flat Earth White Nationalist.

Everyone here is condemned to watch this keep repeating. There's a new generation out there and they want aliens. That last mummified corpse wasn't the ticket, but this new one almost definitely is...
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby semper occultus » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:00 pm

and NASA want their budget appropriations
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Re: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:15 pm

Cosmic Coincidence? Solar eclipse falls on anniversary of extraterrestrial sighting

KELLY, Ky. (WZTV) — Southern Kentucky will be one of the best spots for the total solar eclipse show.

But the unincorporated community of Kelly, Ky. might just take the once-in-a-lifetime experience a step further.

The community is celebrating a “cosmic coincidence” as this year’s festival marking the anniversary of the sighting of extraterrestrials coincides with the total solar eclipse.

People from across the United States flocked to Kelly, Ky. after the “Little Green Men” or “Hopkinsville Goblins” were spotted there in 1955.

Each year the community has the “Little Green Men” Days Festival to celebrate the occasion – and this year festival-goers are in for a treat as it takes place at the time same of the total solar eclipse on Aug. 21.

The festival is four days, starting the weekend before the total solar eclipse.


http://fox17.com/weather/total-solar-ec ... ting-in-ky

As good a time as any I suppose. You know somebody is gonna see something.
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