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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby justdrew » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:19 pm

82_28 » 19 Oct 2016 04:12 wrote:God fucking dammit. I figured it would get yanked. It was. Sorry about that, everyone. I think I have it loaded up in my browser so I can finish it in the morning. WTF is BBC scared of? Who the fuck cares? It says BBC at the top left. There are no ads. Fucking leave it be. But it is quite good. Duh. So I guess you gotta find HyperNormalisation on your own.

Bummer.

We'll figure it out.


that copy on youtube was pretty bad. It's audio at least was fucked with. long dropouts of total silence, other places it got very quiet. I didn't trust that source. There are others.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:32 pm

Jerky » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:02 am wrote:Okay, that BINGO card is brilliant, I admit, but Curtis' documentaries are STILL required viewing!

Century of the Self, All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace, The Trap, Bitter Lake, Power of Nightmares (my favorite), and now HyperNormalisation are ALL jam packed with ideas that any conscious individual in this post-post-modern world needs to grapple with if they wish to call themselves TRULY awake and alive and conscious anymore (unless, that is, you're someone who is already well acquainted with, and who deals with, the prima materia that Curtis uses in the construction of his films).

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On the strength of this recommendation I watched it.

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How sure are you really now?

I wonder how much power to inform the documentary form really has anymore.

While I might agree with the general thesis that we have truly entered a new sort of hyperreality, I had numerous objections to the way history was portrayed in this film. Curtis needs to go further down the rabbit hole.

I will now need to watch all of his work.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby 82_28 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:03 pm

justdrew » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:19 am wrote:
82_28 » 19 Oct 2016 04:12 wrote:God fucking dammit. I figured it would get yanked. It was. Sorry about that, everyone. I think I have it loaded up in my browser so I can finish it in the morning. WTF is BBC scared of? Who the fuck cares? It says BBC at the top left. There are no ads. Fucking leave it be. But it is quite good. Duh. So I guess you gotta find HyperNormalisation on your own.

Bummer.

We'll figure it out.


that copy on youtube was pretty bad. It's audio at least was fucked with. long dropouts of total silence, other places it got very quiet. I didn't trust that source. There are others.


Yeah. I noted that too. I just thought it was maybe the only thing I could find because of IP restrictions that the BBC sometimes puts on shit. But yeah, the sound was definitely janky.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:22 pm

Adam Curtis knocks it out of the park. I now think this may be my favorite one. Minor quibble: No mention of Wikileaks and the rise of digital whistleblowers? I assumed thats where he was leading to.
I loved the focus on Ghaddafi, but felt he kind of tacked on the Syrian civil war and how it relates to the US, Putin, Iran and Trump way to late...when the whole 3 hour documentary was intended as a
narrative leading to where we are. Also oddly no mention of, say Hillary Clinton

I did like how he pretty much covered how we're now in what I call the digital Truman Show panopticon. The iphone-social media-collective group thing trendy shit matrix of the 2010's.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby Harvey » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:38 pm

As an admirer of Curtis I quite liked this latest offering on (or exemplifying) post reality. It might be a mantle of narrative from chippings left out of "The Narratives" and other assorted marginalia, either way he casts it fittingly across his subject. The gap he leaves within the manifold of its structure, partially constructed from what is left out of it or from what is incorrectly included, belongs hopefully to the viewer and is theirs to seize. Make of 'it' what you will, it suggests. As the comments above attest, it begins a process. What more can one ask these days?

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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby Jerky » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:58 pm

https://thoughtmaybe.com/hypernormalisation/?lang=en

The video at the above link seems pretty good to me! Great sound (mixed loud and clear), pretty good video quality.

If anyone has any insights they'd like to share about this one, let me know and I'll include them in the summary/concordance I'm preparing for it (in the same spirit as my concordances for The Net: The Unabomber, CIA and LSD and a few of the Metanoia films... if you're interested in those, check out this link to my blogs:

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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:08 pm

Harvey » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:38 pm wrote:As an admirer of Curtis I quite liked this latest offering on (or exemplifying) post reality. It might be a mantle of narrative from chippings left out of "The Narratives" and other assorted marginalia, either way he casts it fittingly across his subject. The gap he leaves within the manifold of its structure, partially constructed from what is left out of it or from what is incorrectly included, belongs hopefully to the viewer and is theirs to seize. Make of 'it' what you will, it suggests. As the comments above attest, it begins a process. What more can one ask these days?

I hope that helps. :clown


Harvey, one can ask more. Curtis's pretence at profundity just offers more bamboozlement. (And his latest epos is three hours long? Jfc... Now, that's an attention-grabber! No wonder everyone's feeling befuddled when they were hoping for some enlightenment.)

The excellent Jonathan Cook dismantles Curtis's pretensions here:



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Adam Curtis: another manager of perceptions

by Jonathan Cook


Hypernormalisation

Adam Curtis’ new, near three-hour documentary HyperNormalisation, showing on BBC iplayer, is being garlanded with predictable praise from liberal commentators. As ever, Curtis joins the dots in interesting, and sometimes compelling, ways. But HyperNormalisation also continues a trend by Curtis of using his insights to present a deeply conservative, disempowering and ultimately false impression of the world.

His recent films have been premised on the notion that our societies are driven almost exclusively by a struggle of ever-more complex ideas, often dangerous ones, and only marginally by economic forces. As it has become ever harder to find plausible solutions to an increasingly inter-connected world, and as western leaders have become ever more lost in the moral and ideological darkness of modern life, those who have excelled are the usual suspects – from Syria’s Assad and Putin’s Russia to Donald Trump.

HyperNormalisation is best when it deals with “perception management”. The west’s repeated reinventions of Libya’s Col Gaddafi – first as a bogeyman, then as a hero, then as a bogeyman again, depending on the needs of the day, and always at odds with the reality – is an incisive rebuttal to those who believe the media are committed to telling us meaningful things about the world. Though Curtis does not explicitly draw this conclusion, much of his film suggests correctly that the corporate media are the chief managers of our perceptions.

But much else is weak and unconvincing. The idea, for example, that the Occupy movement in the west and the Tahrir Square revolution in Egypt failed for the same simple reason – that they had no vision of what came next – concisely illustrates much of what is wrong with Curtis’ thinking.

In Egypt, the revolution failed primarily because the secularists had little organisational structure behind them, after decades of repression, and because the forces of reaction – Egypt’s military-industrial complex – were too well-entrenched and sophisticated to be so easily ousted. The Islamists under Mohammed Morsi were allowed temporary and very limited access to the levers of government power by the miiitary in a move to divide the opposition. Morsi’s rule inevitably pitted the Islamists against the liberal secularists. Morsi was given enough rope to hang himself, antagonising the secular opposition so that they would welcome the military’s return. But in truth, the military never went away. There was never a vacuum in Egypt, of ideas or anything else. The army was just sophisticated at perception management – so good at it, in fact, that Curtis himself seems incapable of seeing behind the curtain.

The other major disappointment is his choice of easy villains. So the exemplars of perception management become Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, rather than Tony Blair and Hillary Clinton. But the idea that Putin and Trump somehow took perception management to a whole new level is preposterous. It again signals that Curtis is falling for the very “perception management” he claims to be exposing.

Curtis tells us how in the 1950s the US military fed to Americans who had seen UFOs fake documents to encourage them to believe they had witnessed visitations by aliens. It was a way to deflect attention from the more problematic reality: that they had seen the US military experimenting with new weapons systems.

Perception management is now rife in everything we are told. Little of the coverage that matters most in our media, itself part of the corporate power structures Curtis occasionally alludes to, can be trusted. Gaddafi’s treatment should remind us of this. Support for Trump – and for Bernie Sanders, and for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK – is a symptom of the public’s disillusionment with western leaders. Trump taps into this disllusionment, too often with brutally ugly – but satisfyingly concrete – answers. Walls against Mexicans!

Sanders and Corbyn, on the other hand, have tried to find real answers to questions other politicians and the media barely acknowledge. Because they are searching for solutions to problems that have been intentionally obscured, their political struggle is much harder and their voices more easily marginalised. Sadly, Curtis adds to this mystification of western politics rather than exposing it. He mentions neither Sanders nor Corbyn.

Curtis is similarly misleading in attributing to Putin what he describes as new moves to create a hollow, diversionary politics of false-flag democracy movements, youth organisations, human rights groups and opposition political parties. But anyone who has been following the US state department’s colour revolutions of the past two decades will know that Putin did not invent the wheel here. He is playing a dirty politics in which Washington has long excelled.

Instead, Curtis repeats his by-now common refrain: that western leaders have no solutions to the world’s complex problems. So in Afghanistan and Iraq, George Bush and Tony Blair followed predecessors like Ronald Reagan in casting the world simplistically as a fight between good and evil. Their opponents were portrayed as demonic genuises.

In this way, Curtis effectively lets Bush and Blair off the hook. They fell for an idea, a mistaken and lazy one. They wanted the best for us, to protect us from these evil masterminds, to rebuild a reassuring world for us. They may have been wrong, but their intentions were good.

It is no surprise that Curtis only briefly deals with the US-UK attack on Iraq and even then does not mention oil as a factor, or the fact that Cheney and others made huge financial gains from the dissolution of the Iraqi state, or that the Iraq war generated a weapons sales bonanza for the military-industrial complex, or that there were geo-strategic interests for the US and Israel in weakening Arab nationalism. These issues are off Curtis’ radar, so well has his own perception of events been managed.

Similarly, the section on Curveball entirely misses the significance of this Iraqi defector. Curtis notes that Curveball, whose real name was Rafeed al-Janabi, took a dubious scenario from a Hollywood thriller – about nerve agents contained in glass spheres – to bolster his claims that he could verify Saddam Husein’s WMD programme. Curtis presents this as further proof that all of us, even security services like the CIA, are losing our connection to reality, so blurred has the line between fiction and fact become.

But that is not the lesson of Curveball. German security services who originally interviewed him pointed out the improbability of his testimony from the outset. Britain’s MI6 did not believe Curveball either. But their warnings were ignored by the CIA and the White House. Curveball did not manage anyone’s perceptions. He was simply another illusion by which the US could manage our perceptions, our resistance to a country being cynically destroyed for its resources and to reconfigure the Middle East.

Conversely, Curtis concludes with an assertion of such stunning political puerility that it undermines almost everything that has gone before. He argues of Putin’s involvement in Syria: “The Russians are still there – and no one really knows what they want.” Curtis does not know what “the Russians want” only because his preceptions have been carefully managed by the western media. Russia has very obvious strategic interests in being there. Among other things, it is trying to prevent the takeover of another country on its doorstep by Islamic jihadists, to halt the further destabilisation of the Middle East, and to prop up a key ally in Russia’s front against US expansionism.

“Great Games” of this kind between global superpowers have been going on for all of modern history. There is precisely nothing new about them, or mysterious.

The complexity Curtis luxuriates in is really not so complex. The world is divided between those who have power and wealth, and those who do not. The battle for the powerful is to keep their power, as it always has been. And that requires keeping the rest of us docile, misinformed and filled with a sense of hopelessness. Curtis is simply playing his part in managing our perceptions – and doing so in great style.

https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/21/31031/


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Jerky wrote:Curtis' documentaries are STILL required viewing!

Century of the Self, All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace, The Trap, Bitter Lake, Power of Nightmares (my favorite), and now HyperNormalisation are ALL jam packed with ideas that any conscious individual in this post-post-modern world needs to grapple with if they wish to call themselves TRULY awake and alive and conscious anymore


That sounds remarkably like advertising copy. Where can I buy the T-shirt?

Here's Adam Curtis holding a TV set:

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"My new show is about to start. You may may experience some anxiety at first, but it's nothing to worry about. So just sit back and relax...relax...relax... for the next three hours.... You will remember nothing when you awake."

I've heard his work described as "mesmerising". Truer word was never spoken. He's a hypnotist. Check your pockets when you wake up.

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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby 82_28 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:20 pm

I like Curtis because I am always looking for clues as to his footage. Nah. I fucking dig the guy. Mesmerizing is right, because I love his voice. It takes a shit ton of work in order to put that shit together. I wouldn't think clue one about how to do that.

Like 8bit says he does knock it out the park.

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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:30 pm

82_28 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:20 am wrote: It takes a shit ton of work in order to put that shit together.


Having a team of paid assistants and researchers helps.

I wouldn't think clue one about how to do that.


Step 1: Acquire access to the BBC's archives.

I love his voice


Yeah, the BBC bosses love it too, not least because they speak exactly the same way. That's one reason why he has privileged access to their archives, a handsome income, and a team of busy underlings.

What else could explain the rise to fame of this subversive genius? And why are the BBC transmitting his revolutionary insights to the masses?

Hmmm...

Politics

Curtis is inspired by Max Weber, a liberal sociologist from Germany who challenged the "crude, left-wing, vulgar [Ooh, matron!] Marxism that says that everything happens because of economic forces within society".[Pass the tea, vicar.]) [1] Of his general political outlook, Curtis has also remarked:

“ People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position because I'm saying that, with the rise of individualism, you tend to get the corrosion of the other idea of social bonds and communal networks, because everyone is on their own. Well, that's what the neoconservatives argue, domestically. [...] If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. [ :lol: ] I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency [...] What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives, and I think you may well see a lefty libertarianism emerging because people will be much more sympathetic to it, or just a libertarianism, and out of that will come ideas. And I don't mean "localism".[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis


You may well be wondering: Is there a vacancy at the BBC? Yes; he's it. :thumbsup

The Curtis Effect Explained:

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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:36 pm

^ It's amazing how the bleeding obvious can suddenly become bleeding obvious, eh? :wink
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Exclusive: a transcript:

The Power of Nightmares

by Adam Curtis

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These men are all watched over by machines of loving grace. No one knows why. It is a profound mystery. Here is a film of a man teeing off at a golf course in 1951. Remarkably, only five years later, there was a popular uprising in Hungary. Then: Vietnam. Here is a film of Twiggy. She is on her way to a London nightclub. The Swinging Sixties were at their height. This was to lead, eventually, to some surprising developments. But first: Who was Charles Hawtrey? To understand this, we need to go back a liitle in history. Here is a daguerrotype of a Dutch peasant taking a crap in a field. What could explain this? The answer may seem obvious... but is it?

In 1662, a little-known Flemish philosopher named Arnold Geulincx...


(Fuck it, that's enough. Curtis gets paid for this.)
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:13 pm

Please hire me to handle your typography next time.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:13 pm wrote:Please hire me to handle your typography next time.


Ha! You noticed. :lol: I'm working on someone else's computer, it's as slow as fuck and the keyboard's as sticky as fuck. That's why I have to keep going back and correcting typos.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:15 pm

No not you! I meant Adam Curtis.
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Re: Adam Curtis

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:28 pm

Ah! Is his typography bad in this one? That too?

I must watch it... eventually. (Three hours?) I must. I mean, I'll be forced to.

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