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Ben D » 11 Apr 2014 19:29 wrote:justdrew » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:58 am wrote:ben, do you believe that a globally measured and averaged measure of air temp is a direct measure of the energy balance of the entire planetary system?
More or less yes, assuming the measurement was perfect, it would reflect the state of the relative energy balance...temperature go down..a relative net loss of energy,....temperature goes up..a relative net gain of energy,...temperature steady...the energy is in relative balance.
The average global temperature has gained 0.7C over the last century....meaning there has been a relative net gain of planetary energy...during this 17 year pause into the 21st century the global temperature has been relatively steady so there has relative balance of incoming from the sun energy and outgoing reflected and radiated energy.
DrEvil » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:01 am wrote:Ben is just mad that his Biblical end-time prophecies are being trumped by scientific end-time prophecies (He thinks the US is the beast from revelations..). Explains a lot.
justdrew » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:57 am wrote:Ben D » 11 Apr 2014 19:29 wrote:justdrew » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:58 am wrote:ben, do you believe that a globally measured and averaged measure of air temp is a direct measure of the energy balance of the entire planetary system?
More or less yes, assuming the measurement was perfect, it would reflect the state of the relative energy balance...temperature go down..a relative net loss of energy,....temperature goes up..a relative net gain of energy,...temperature steady...the energy is in relative balance.
The average global temperature has gained 0.7C over the last century....meaning there has been a relative net gain of planetary energy...during this 17 year pause into the 21st century the global temperature has been relatively steady so there has relative balance of incoming from the sun energy and outgoing reflected and radiated energy.
I agree there is a relationship, but I asked if you thought it was a DIRECT measure. If the energy perfused trough the system uniformly you'd have a point, but that's not how things work in the real world. Take for example the simple school demonstration of putting a thermometer in ice water while applying heat to the container. The thermostat doesn't start going up UNTIL the ice is melted.
Ben D » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:13 am wrote:DrEvil » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:01 am wrote:Ben is just mad that his Biblical end-time prophecies are being trumped by scientific end-time prophecies (He thinks the US is the beast from revelations..). Explains a lot.
good one....
Who is the beast that deceives the whole world in bible prophecy?
Here is a brief outline of my understanding of the meaning of the Bible Beasts of Daniel and Revelation in the context of here and now.
Now a warning,,..many of you may find it hard to believe that western world powers, ie. USA and Europe, with the main stream media as its mouthpiece, could be the greatest evil this world has ever witnessed (Rev. 13:7-8), but keep an open mind and you may ‘see’ who the Beast really is?
And the big surprise for the reader is when the mystery of who and what is the earthly powers referred to in Daniel 11:45 reveals itself.
The first beast was Babylon (present day Iraq). The second beast was Media/Persia (present day Iran). The third beast with four heads was Greece, Egypt, Assyria (present day Syria/Lebanon), and Rome. The fourth beast with a head of ten horns is Europe (the ten horns are the ten main imperial colonizing nations of the planet, England, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria).
Now consider in Daniel 7:8 “I considered the (ten) horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”
Now prior to becoming a single nation, the present land that now constitutes the mainland US states once belonged to three of the horns of the fourth beast, Spain, France and England. See map above. As we know from history, the three big horns were uprooted and the US arose in their place, the little horn of Daniel 7:8. After the second world war the little horn became leader (militarily) of all of western Europe….until now. The little horn is the USA, with the president being the most powerful man in the world.
Now these four phases of history of the beasts of Daniel that lead up to the present time are described using different metaphors in other chapters, so for example, the last ‘kingdom’ of the beast with ten horns led by the the little horn is the kingdom of iron mixed with miry clay of Chapter two, and the King of the North of Chapter 11, etc.. And again, a different metaphor is used in Book of Revelations for the last beast, it is the seventh head, that did not yet exist at that time of John, of a seven headed beast, and the little horn of Daniel is described in Revelation as a beast having two little horns like a lamb.
The last point of interest for now is the end of Daniel Chapter 11 (Verse 45), because that fulfils the prophecy of Daniel and it is here that the last Beast will ‘run out of time’ coincident with the start of events described in Chapter 12. Now that which is set up between Jerusalem and the sea is the Zionist state of Israel. It was set up by the Beast/King of the North through the United Nations in 1948. One of the horns of the Beast (Britain) had already ruled the area as a mandate from the League of Nations and now stood aside to allow the Beast/King of the North to take possession.
If I am correct, present day Zionist Israel is soon to be no more, for the beast’s nature and destiny is to war on until its end .
I suggest we should keep an eye on events in Syria as it could well be the trigger for something of Daniel 11:45 prophetic end time proportions.
Laodicean » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:54 am wrote:Dedicated to BenD, who I henceforth dub the "Caribbean Queen". You can feel the hot exhaled CO2 air in the air from his every breath of denial. The oceans currents adrift with hot hellish surprises on the horizon for humanity.
slimmouse » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:00 pm wrote:
Heres my source. From SRPs post on page 59 ( I think).
Since when has 400 parts per million represented 0.04%.? Or is this quantity of C02 at some kind of elevated height, whereas elsewhere the quanitity is much higher?
You see, youre figure represents four parts per 10 thousand, which is still actually pretty fucking small, but I digress,
which suggest to me , without reading the small print, that these figures are ridiculous.
They need to confer. What say you Doc Evil?
DrEvil » 13 Apr 2014 18:27 wrote:I don't doubt that the sun has some influence (watched 'Knowing' with Nicolas Cage yesterday ), and over the longer term it changes the climate. The problem is that it doesn't account for the changes we're seeing right now. It's only a small part of it, the rest is mainly human made through releasing all kinds of shit into our atmosphere, deforestation, ocean acidification etc. It's not just the CO2, and it's not just the sun, it's the sum of all the crap we're doing as a species, with some tiny natural variations thrown in.
And another thing - even if you don't believe global warming is man-made, I really don't get why people are so opposed to replacing coal, oil and gas with renewable, non-polluting sources.
(Btw - Burning coal releases a crap-load of radiation. http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ear-waste/)
I mean, what's the worst thing that can happen? That we make our planet a nicer place to live?
DrEvil » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:27 pm wrote:I don't doubt that the sun has some influence (watched 'Knowing' with Nicolas Cage yesterday ), and over the longer term it changes the climate. The problem is that it doesn't account for the changes we're seeing right now. It's only a small part of it, the rest is mainly human made through releasing all kinds of shit into our atmosphere, deforestation, ocean acidification etc. It's not just the CO2, and it's not just the sun, it's the sum of all the crap we're doing as a species, with some tiny natural variations thrown in.
And another thing - even if you don't believe global warming is man-made, I really don't get why people are so opposed to replacing coal, oil and gas with renewable, non-polluting sources.
(Btw - Burning coal releases a crap-load of radiation. http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ear-waste/)
I mean, what's the worst thing that can happen? That we make our planet a nicer place to live?
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