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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:27 am

Iamwhomiam » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:35 pm wrote:Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse we're reminded of the looming reality of the tenuous nature of our survivability.

Underestimated by a factor of 4.

We're cooked.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:31 am

There is That which was not born, nor created, nor evolved. If it were not so, there would never be any refuge from being born, or created, or evolving. That is the end of suffering. That is God**.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:27 pm

Oh, poor Ben!
How sorry I feel for you!
Your all-seeing eye has cataracts, you poor fellow.

The wave is such old news, why there are cults awaiting it as I type.

Here's some reading material for you and it seems like you won't need to await a billion or more years before you're crushed by the weight of your thoughts. http://tinyurl.com/peq5as8

And if you tire reading about the ever-approaching wave, here's more, just a bit more metaphysical, perhaps.
http://tinyurl.com/owobrr3

You might notice that 100 years is a bit sooner than a billion. You seem to have your fear priorities reversed.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:00 am

OMG, thanks Iam.. we are saved...ANDROMEDA COUNCIL...REACHING OUT WITH HELP ACROSS THE HEAVENS...wonder if the Thyrius system is under the command of the ANDROMEDA COUNCIL?

...from the org that you can trust...



Though seriously Iam,...are you expecting this to happen in just a few weeks time?
http://www.andromedacouncil.com/

2014

It is expected planet Earth, her people & virtually all life, will begin her new 4D higher vibrational existence, her new fourth dimensional life, in early January 2014.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:21 pm

I posted something, the exact same thing you did, from another source.

Ridiculous, indeed. But some do believe it, just as some believe we're entering a Maunder minimum or another Ice Age while denying real science proving the opposite is true; that our Earth will become too warm to support life because of man's deadly emissions.

Have a pleasant day while you can. I hear there's a warm wave coming.

Can't stop global warming so why not let's worry about the far-off, far-out approaching wave, expected to arrive in a billion years.

How about you stay on topic, Ben, or have you nothing else to support your ridiculous position and feel science fiction more helpful to your cause?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:40 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:21 am wrote:I posted something, the exact same thing you did, from another source.

Ridiculous, indeed. But some do believe it, just as some believe we're entering a Maunder minimum or another Ice Age while denying real science proving the opposite is true; that our Earth will become too warm to support life because of man's deadly emissions.

So far as I am understanding it, there appears to be consensus among solar scientists that our sun is headed for a minimum, as to what extent, ie. Maunder, Dalton, etc., it's too early to say, though some are committing to a prediction of one or another. Now as to what effect this will have on global climate, there is also no consensus, but on historical data, there is correlation between solar minimums and global temperature cooling....so please don't equate those scientists who hold to that possibility with those new agers who believe the Andromeda Council is reaching out across the heavens to help humanity on Earth....sheeesh!

What is sure and there is little doubt,...this coming Solar Minimum will settle the debate on AGW theory.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2011/06/110614-sun-hibernation-solar-cycle-sunspots-space-science/

Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predict

Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

Victoria Jaggard
National Geographic News
PUBLISHED JUNE 14, 2011

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Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.

Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.

The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.

The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.

Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.

(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")

"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).

Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.

"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.

"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."

Sunspots Losing Strength

Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.

For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.

For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.

In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.

Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.

They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.

"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."

Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish

Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.

Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.

(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")

Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.

"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."

According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.

Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.

Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.

The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.

This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.

Quiet Sun Exciting for Science

Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."

In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.

"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."

What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.

Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.

"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:19 pm

After all this time, we're back to..

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How imaginative to be able to trot out only one theory, again and again...
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:21 pm

Rory » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:19 pm wrote:After all this time, we're back to..

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How imaginative to be able to trot out only one theory, again and again...

Can you name an original source behind the Earth's temperature other than the Sun?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:01 am

God.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:19 am

Haha.. :thumbsup but then ol' Sol is the local rep. in this part of the cosmic woods.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:49 am

Ben D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:40 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:21 am wrote:I posted something, the exact same thing you did, from another source.

Ridiculous, indeed. But some do believe it, just as some believe we're entering a Maunder minimum or another Ice Age while denying real science proving the opposite is true; that our Earth will become too warm to support life because of man's deadly emissions.

"...so please don't equate those scientists who hold to that possibility with those new agers who believe the Andromeda Council is reaching out across the heavens to help humanity on Earth....sheeesh! "

"What is sure and there is little doubt,...this coming Solar Minimum will settle the debate on AGW theory. "

"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).

Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.

"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.

"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."

In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.

But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."

What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.


Jeeze, Ben, that article is a from 2.5 years ago. I put emphasis on the text from your source you seemed to have missed.

And for you to dismiss the Cassiopaean Experiment as some trivial 'new age' woo site, Arkadiusz Jadczyk is a theoretical mathematical physicist, a scientist of the same caliber as those you use for your source material. They are referring to the very same approaching "wave."
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:59 am

Neon wrote,
Ha-Ha, you crazy tree huggers and your crackpot theories...

You should try it sometime. You can learn a lot from a tree.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:22 am

Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:49 pm wrote:And for you to dismiss the Cassiopaean Experiment as some trivial 'new age' woo site, Arkadiusz Jadczyk is a theoretical mathematical physicist, a scientist of the same caliber as those you use for your source material. They are referring to the very same approaching "wave."

Ok, so you think the Scientific American article on Solar Activity Studies is on the same page wrt scientific credibility as the Cassiopaean Experiment. Why am I not shocked... :)

Btw, fyi some RI Cassiopaean threads here...

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17715&p=186046&hilit=Cassiopaea#p186046

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14674&p=147331&hilit=Cassiopaea#p147331
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby DrEvil » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:21 pm

Ben, I'm curious about one thing:

Just for fun, let's assume that the sun is going into a Maunder minimum, leading to a cooling effect. A mini ice-age basically.

If that's the case, why is earth still getting warmer? And what do you think will happen when the solar cycle turns and starts adding to the heating again?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:09 pm

Hottest November for planet on record . Report will be released on Tuesday.
see map of planet here http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/giste ... 00&pol=reg

see preliminary report here

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/1 ... mber-nasa/
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