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White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:12 pm

White Power USA

Video Report By Al Jazeera


Racially motivated threats against Obama rose to new heights in the first months of his presidency, with the US seeing nine high-profile race killings in 2009. Meanwhile white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups claim their membership is growing and that visits to their websites are increasing. Filmmakers Rick Rowley and Jacquie Soohen went inside the white nationalist movement to investigate.


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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:53 am

Just saw it, thanks for posting.

It's eerie how close some of the message of white nationalists are to my own left leaning compatriots. Talking about the government bringing in tyranny, new world order cabals, international bankers and America being sold out to foreign elites and corporations, etc.

The difference being is that to me its clear racism and hatred are a tool of these elites...and as clownish as these neo Nazis are, as straight out of 1991 they seem...Ive no doubt the powers that be have some sort of nasty event/s planned to utilize the advent of the "gun nut patriot conspiracy theorist" or "neo Nazi" crowd much as they did with Timothy Mcveigh. The documentary's interviewees are right on one thing; there definitely seems like there's a powder keg spark a'comin...and Obama plus the economy sure seems like all too ripe a climate.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:14 am

8bitagent wrote:It's eerie how close some of the message of white nationalists are to my own


No it's not.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:41 am

Seamus OBlimey wrote:
8bitagent wrote:It's eerie how close some of the message of white nationalists are to my own


No it's not.


And what's that suppose to mean?

I'm incredibly left leaning and distaste a lot of things on the right
I don't like gun culture
Im militantly pro gay and pro Mexican(legal or "illegal) rights
Im not a fan of Christianity
Im not white
I hate racism, bigotry and believe these to be divisive tools
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:37 am

What a bunch of confused ass mother**ckers! How can you call yourself an "American" and then "seig heil"? You'da gotten pummeled I'm sure 50 or 60 years ago by WWII vets all over this country. Fuckin' skins. Argh, I hate 'em.

They used to come to our shows and take over. Like 8 of them would lock arms and run across the pit mowing down the legitimate show goers. I'm talking like Descendents shows, Minor Threat etc.

One time we held a punk show at this "proto skatepark" in a warehouse (this is way back in the early 90's). We're all gathered on ramps and half pipes watching the music, moshing, whatever and then true as day, in march oh maybe 10 or 15 skins "seig heiling" as they did. They mace the whole place, break this black SHARP dude's arm with a crowbar and generally TRY to start a riot. Do you think 15 skins are any match for around 100 skateboarders holding their skateboards? The pussies ran when they noticed we were going to kill them all. Most got away, but a couple got into their car in the skatepark's parking lot and I have never seen anything like it!

We flattened that car with them in it, with tools, skateboards, 2X4s, you name it (I didn't join in on the violence btw). Their flight jackets were turned to fluff. Their Doc Marten's were ripped to shreds. There they were trapped in their little Japanese auto, crying, pleading for mercy. They were basically made naked by 100 irate show-goers. Finally, a couple of us got a handle on things and were able to call off the attack. The skins were badly wounded and trembling. My heart went out to them -- as scared as they were. So we called paramedics.

Oh the early 90's! No cops ever were involved. Situation solved. A lot of those skin dudes I believe, soon there after, became completely anti-racist.

I'm not going to call these people glass tigers. But they basically are.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:01 am

I remember reading about the neo Nazi skinhead culture of the 1988-1994 period, pre internet.
Aside from the use of the web, they pretty much all look and act the same from that video.

What's ironic is that quite literally neo Nazi skinhead culture came from Jamaican reggae immigrant culture in late 1960's England. ie; nazi skins came from blacks. There was even a song about 'boots and braces'(suspenders) Of course, Jamaica also happens to be the most violently anti gay country in the world.

It really made me so disturbed and upset learning of those nazis that killed that whole Mexican family(including a little kid) in their home last year. They even played the 911 call as it happened. Hopefully they'll get their justice in jail.

Now oddly enough, some recent documentaries like "ever again" go to great lengths to try and
claim that violent neo Nazi groups in Europe are working with or joining alliances with radical Islamic extremist and terror groups. While there are historic ties between the two(Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood, al Taqwa bank, OKC bomb plot), most European neo Nazi's rallying cry is AGAINST Muslims.

But as much as these clowns upset me, I still can't help but feel even more upset by all the death the US has brought upon the world, either directly or indirectly by proxy.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:09 am

Seamus OBlimey wrote:
8bitagent wrote:It's eerie how close some of the message of white nationalists are to my own


No it's not.


No, it's not. The exact same pervasive sense of fear, the growing realization that one is living in a cold, unjust, exploitative system run by very powerful and ruthless predators is shared not only by many different Americans (Black, White, Hispanic, Men, Women, Christians, Jews, Muslims, you name it), but by a large segment of the world's population. If children could independently think and organize politically, they'd express the same sense of persecution, with equal justification. All kinds of people feel that something is very, very wrong, and they're very, very right. Take America: in less than one decade, it's gone from incredible apparent prosperity to a devastating recession; the gap between the obscenely rich and the obscenely poor has become obscenely large. America's 'democracy' is being more clearly exposed as yet another deceptive brand name rather than a means for citizens to participate in shaping their own country, and to ensure that their rights are clearly defined and protected. As the corporate elite homogenize the American landscape and culture, as they transform American citizens into passive political, product and media consumers and cannon fodder for catastrophic endless wars that profit only themselves, people who feel alienated, helpless and increasingly disenfranchised instinctively rebel against a system that continuously lies to them and defines a 'good citizen' as one that willingly participates in his or her own enslavement.

To counteract these feelings of fear, alienation and helplessness, it's a no-brainer that individuals will seek a group identity to give them a sense of not being alone, and to find a cause that gives their suffering meaning and purpose. It is the same, identical human dynamic that motivates ordinary individuals to join a 'white supremacist' group and others to join a 'Judeo-supremacist' group, that leads others to join a 'feminist group' and others to join a 'Muslim supremacist' or "Christian supremacist' or 'worker supremacist' or 'peasant rebellion' or pretty much any other cause, including an environmental cause or anti-racist cause.

All these 'movements' share a deep, often justified, sense of grievance and an urgent need to do something now before it's too late. Beyond those commonalities, however, which in themselves are neither illegitimate nor wrong, I personally distinguish between movements I am prepared to support and those I am not, using these criteria:

1) Reactionary vs progressive: reactionary movements almost always promote a highly romanticized and selective view of some ideal past, a self-serving version of which their followers dream of recreating. Reactionary movements are incredibly appealing to individuals who already feel enough fear and powerlessness in the current reality and are not prepared to add to those feelings of insecurity by heading into uncharted territory.

Progressive movements, in contrast, want to use the lessons of the past and of the present in order build a system that incorporates those lessons in order to build something new and better. The former uses an idealized, usually mythical, past as a static template, while the latter treats the past as a valuable pool of knowledge and experience.

2) Narrow-based vs universal: narrow-based movements are driven by an 'us vs them' world-view, in which the 'us' is an inherently superior group that is victimized by an inferior 'them' who are motivated by envy and irrational hatred to bring 'us' down to 'their level'. In all narrow-based groups, there is an incredible amount of self-stroking, which can be very appealing to individuals whose self-esteem is very low and who feel insignificant and helpless. Narrow-based groups also conveniently allow individuals to project all their fears, grievances and anger onto a dehumanized and demonized Other, in the form of people who are vulnerable and easy to attack, unlike those who actually shape the system itself. Like the Ugly Duckling, we are victimized and targeted by them precisely because we are superior. Only by joining with our own kind to celebrate our superiority and find strength in numbers can we hope to win the mortal struggle to take our rightful place at the pinnacle of humanity and preserve ourselves as uniquely precious vessels against those who try to assimilate us into a homogeneous mud of mediocrity.

Universal movements, in contrast, are driven by the belief that all human beings are inherently precious and have the potential to make a unique contribution to the whole, within a system that protects the dignity and certain basic rights of each. Such movements consider any struggle legitimate if its purpose is to defend and protect the legitimate rights of a targeted group against those who would deny that group the same rights they claim for themselves. While narrow-based groups struggle to preserve or obtain exclusive privileges for their 'group', however it is defined, regardless of the cost to inferior categories of people, universal groups consider humanity as one organic unit in which injustice or oppression in any part harms the whole body.

Another important difference between narrow-based and universal movements is that the former accepts that divisions between people are fixed and 'natural', while universal movements recognize that such divisions are completely changeable depending on the situation. For example, whether I choose to primarily identify myself as a White person or a Brown person, or a worker, or a woman, or a Christian, or an Egyptian or a Canadian or a secularist or a Leftist or a humanitarian or a nearly infinite number of other "identities" not only changes depending on the issue, but should be largely up to me. Universal movements recognize that it is people's right to mobilize and form alliances that they believe most effectively protect their rights, as long as those rights are legitimate, iow are the same for everybody and are not predicated on violating the rights of others. (For example, the "right" to own slaves, the "right" to ethnically cleanse, the "right" to beat one's wife, the "right" to prevent others from inter-marrying, etc.)

3) A third, crucial distinction is between movements that posit the Enemy as a class or group of people, and those that perceive the Enemy as an unjust or dysfunctional system. The first is based on an implicit assumption that the only system possible is a zero-sum game in which the prize is survival, the only alternative being annihilation or enslavement. It struck me, watching that video, how many of the white supremacists seemed quite poor and expressed the belief that they are oppressed, which of course they are. In a parallel universe, African-Americans feel equally oppressed, with even more justification. Nothing could be better, from a systemic point of view, than to encourage each side to focus their anger on the other rather than on the system that oppresses both. It's no accident that racial hatred is being deliberately stoked by billionaire Rupert Murdoch's FOX network, or that racist incitement saturates so much of what passes for "entertainment" produced by Hollywood's elite "dream factory". Yet even a cursory understanding of human history, or the way the system is set up, would show that even if African-Americans were to entirely wipe out the white people who form the minions of the white supremacist movement or if the white supremacists were to wipe out all the Black people, it's hard to see how that would make any difference at all to the very real oppression that both groups face, of which the "color divide" is but one manifestation: a symptom, but not the disease itself.

The second is based on the understanding that people create systems that in turn create people, and that voluntary or involuntary abdication of one's responsibility to freely and effectively participate in creating a sustainable system for guaranteeing even one's own dignity and basic rights, inevitably leads to oppressive and unjust systems. From that perspective, it is futile and counter-productive to devote one's limited resources to attacking the products of a system while neglecting to address the system that produces them and one's own role in perpetuating it. Here again, increasing our objective knowledge about the incredibly complex current global reality, as well as the historical record can provide us with an immense data-base of different models that have been and are applied today, which we can use to develop a system that is intelligently designed to develop and protect a vibrant society based on the values of justice, freedom, prosperity and dignity for all its members. Such a task can never be accomplished if "society-building" is left to a few narrow segments of society, such as "elites" or corporations: it can only be done through the most broad-based participation of a society's grass roots, including the many subgroups that are currently marginalized. Also, democracy begins at home and can only be effective if national politics are determined by an active citizenry working at the neighborhood and community levels up, rather than the other way around.

In a marginally related way, this sort of reminds me of a funny story I read recently, about the inhabitants of Sderot, the town that was built on the ruins of an ethnically-cleansed Palestinian village. If you'll recall, Israel's oft-repeated justification for the outrageous slaughter of last year's Operation Cast Lead was the 'intolerable' suffering of the residents of Sderot due to Palestinian rockets from Gaza. It seems that, now that that they've served their purpose, the elites' crocodile tears have all dried up and the hapless inhabitants of Sderot are left to confront their true insignificance to the Powers That Be.

    Sderot plagued with welfare crisis

    During Operation Cast Lead southern town's residents didn't have to worry about foreclosures, debt collection but recent state of calm changed matters. Ynet inquiry suggests number of applications to social services has risen considerably in last year

    Yael Branovsky
    Published: 12.17.09, 12:56 / Israel News


    After a few months of relative calm Sderot residents are faced with growing welfare issues. "Sometimes I think, to hell with it - bring on the Qassams. It'll solve my problems with the bank and I'll get to keep the roof over my head," city resident A. told Ynet this week.

    "Suddenly when it's calm and there are no more Qassams, they've threatened to take away my house. During the operation everyone was considerate."

    A Ynet inquiry has revealed that parallel to the recent security calm, the city started facing a growing financial crisis. Since Operation Cast Lead ended last January the number of applications to social services has risen by over 40%.

    Director of social services in the Sderot Municipality Yigal Levy pointed to an alarming phenomenon – banks, state agencies, and various commercial firms which have been lenient with residents during the Qassam days have reinforced efforts to collect debts from the residents. ...

    Social workers in Sderot are also facing a massive flow of residents of low socio-economic status from other cities which has virtually caused them to collapse. "Since Operation Cast Lead we need to address the residents' real problems, which have not surfaced before, but there are also returning residents and others who arrive from outside towns such as Yavne, Nazareth and Lod having heard of the welfare department's good care," Levy said.

    'No one cares'

    Over 4000 families are currently being treated by social services in Sderot. Out of all applications this year, 40% were new applications and some 20% of those were related to bank debts and foreclosure threats. The municipality finds itself unable to attend to all of the new problems as a result of a drop in grant funds.

    "The number of applications has risen, but our ability to address them has dropped by 50%," Levy complained. "The government saved people from the Qassams, but now no one really cares."

    Meanwhile A. feels virtually hopeless. "As long as the operation lasted no one approached me and I could live in peace, at least in that respect. My debt isn't that high, I'm trying to pay it off and still they threatened to evict me…I always felt that we were abandoned here, but now I feel it even more," he said.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 64,00.html

Anyway, my point -- and I do have one -- is that we need to avoid the temptation to simplistically mirror these or similar supremacists' demonization of the Other, otherwise we help to perpetuate the very system that produces them. Whether we're talking about Jewish supremacists in Palestine or white supremacists in the U.S., mindlessly reacting in a way that reinforces their paranoia and self-pity is counterproductive. It is far more effective to distinguish between legitimate rights and aspirations while explicitly rejecting, exposing and counteracting their racist beliefs and their own violence or oppression of others.

It's also crucial to find a way to reach these people with accurate, relevant and verifiable information about the way the predatory system really works, including its formidable propaganda apparatus that is so effective at making people consistently act against their own self-interest. Although typically, such movements attract a number of seriously disturbed individuals, violent criminals and agents saboteurs, the majority are ordinary people who are bewildered and seeking the relief of trusting false prophets who claim to have all the answers. I'm not naive about how difficult it is to change racist attitudes, but I do believe that we should not be reinforcing the wall between "us" and "them", but instead hacking a doorway through that wall and providing a healthier, more informed and more intelligent alternative that strengthens OUR struggle for positive change, rather than THEIR struggle to keep society on its downward trajectory.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:46 am

Alice, your comment reminds me of how I became a "lefty" -- though I am left handed, so always was one.

Anyhoo. In suburban Denver there was always a weird and evil right-wing streak. One day I noticed bumperstickers all the hell over, like an algae bloom, that read "IMAGINE NO LIBERALS". I thought to myself, if you can't imagine a "liberal", then you can't imagine yourself as a conservative. Whether the conservatards wanna recognize it or not, "liberals" describe the right's political continuum. You can't have a left without a right. That is when I realized fascism fucking exists and it is for real. It is pure eliminationism and horrors wreaked upon those who are loosely constituted and/or a minority.

That is also when I got the idea that the Hegellian Dialectic and Manicheanism was something I would read about somewhat later in life. Here I am.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby American Dream » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:53 pm

Alice, I agree with all your comments and I thank you for writing them out so eloquently.

I think that the movements for social change with which I would support really do need clear and consistent principles, that those principles need to be grounded in a deep institutional analysis, and that they must be linked to a strategy for change that is both practical about short and medium term goals but also strong on deeply transformative long term goals.

Of course, specific detail on what the guiding principles and overall strategy should or should not be is much more subject to debate, but that's the kind of debate that we most need in this world, in my opinion.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:36 pm

American Dream wrote:I think that the movements for social change with which I would support really do need clear and consistent principles, that those principles need to be grounded in a deep institutional analysis, and that they must be linked to a strategy for change that is both practical about short and medium term goals but also strong on deeply transformative long term goals.

Of course, specific detail on what the guiding principles and overall strategy should or should not be is much more subject to debate, but that's the kind of debate that we most need in this world, in my opinion.


Actually, what I meant was that I am prepared to generally support all kinds of movements within the limits I outlined, but that doesn't mean that they are necessarily MY movements. And I think that trying to hammer out a specific, detailed overall strategy and guiding principles represents the kind of debate we LEAST need in this world, because it's almost always a terrible drain of time and energy that accomplishes nothing but bad feelings while the hand-basket hurtles towards hell.

I'm thinking of an experience I had back in university, when a small number of us had a group that almost exclusively focused on the Palestinian struggle, but we made some very effective strategic alliances with others dealing with altogether different issues. There was never any question of 'merging' any groups together, and so each group maintained its integrity and distinct identity and cooperated with others on specific projects when they felt it was right for them. It was a wonderfully liberating way to get things accomplished quickly and efficiently without having to examine each other with a magnifying glass to make sure we are 'on the same page' about every little thing.

In fact, I truly believe that the centralized model of revolutionary change is no longer practical (if it ever was), in fact given the current (rather Orwellian) reality, it's certainly doomed to fail long before it can grow big enough to accomplish anything. Also, as we've seen in the past, it can itself lead to an oppressive stalinist-type monolith that is, moreover, all too easy to infiltrate and subvert. At best, it can provide a breeding ground for swollen egos to grow out of control. I think that the model that has the greatest chance of success is just the sort of ad hoc strategic alliances between a large number of very diverse, small and internally homogeneous groups that I mentioned earlier, where you don't have to pass some kind of a 'test' to collaborate with others on some things, and where you certainly have no right to impose your perspective on others, but are free to join forces to accomplish specific goals.

It's interesting, because decentralized guerrilla warfare is often described by experts as the most effective and most difficult to counteract, and in fact it's been known to defeat powerful armies that are far better funded and equipped. I haven't really thought this through, but I'm convinced that a movement consisting of a large number of small units joining freely together to accomplish changes that are in their mutual interests, but retaining their distinct identity and voice, and especially their right to have different priorities, to strongly disagree and disengage whenever they like, is the way to go.

It's very late and I am not thinking very clearly, but that's the gist.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby American Dream » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:59 pm

I do agree that the more centralized revolutionary movements are generally become destructive in the end. I have no desire to join up with any of the orthodox revolutionary sects that I have seen in North America, and I believe there are great abuses of their stated revolutionary ideals by most of the farther away movements that I know of.

As to a diverse group of (relatively) small armed groups taking on the power structure, I'm sure that would have a decent chance in some situations. Generally it seems like there is some sort of synergy between aboveground popular organizing and more militant and/or clandestine efforts.

However, overthrowing an existing government/social order is only the beginning, not really the end of the struggle. With diverse and (relatively uncoordinated) armed groupings, you're faced with the question of who will rule afterwards, and under what system. Truly the Devil is in the details in these kinds of situations- as often the most ruthless and authoritarian win.

Andrej Grubacic and Staughton Lynd wrote a book entitled Wobblies and Zapatistas. This kind of approach gets a little closer to the sort of balance between Autonomy and Organization which I would personally support.
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Postby battleshipkropotkin » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:30 pm

What's ironic is that quite literally neo Nazi skinhead culture came from Jamaican reggae immigrant culture in late 1960's England. ie; nazi skins came from blacks. There was even a song about 'boots and braces'(suspenders)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_skinhead
http://www.freewebs.com/skins/
http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-69-Skinhead-George-Marshall/dp/1898927103
http://www.last.fm/listen/group/Spirit%2520Of%252069#pane=webRadioPlayer&station=%252Flisten%252Fgroup%252FSpirit%2520Of%252069

There is some good stuff back there.
Fuckin Nazis spoiled it.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:32 am

American Dream wrote:However, overthrowing an existing government/social order is only the beginning, not really the end of the struggle. With diverse and (relatively uncoordinated) armed groupings, you're faced with the question of who will rule afterwards, and under what system. Truly the Devil is in the details in these kinds of situations- as often the most ruthless and authoritarian win.


Well, in the process that I'm thinking of, the medium is the message, and the message is that nobody CAN 'rule' except by consensus, because political power is too widely dispersed. In such an environment, the most ruthless and authoritarian will find himself isolated and outnumbered. Of course, this can't work in a totalitarian police state, where unlimited coercive power is concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite, which is exactly what is being created and entrenched with every passing day. That's why I believe that we can't afford to waste any more time to use the remnants of democracy that still exist before they too are eliminated, making the process of enslavement virtually irreversible.

What started me thinking was 8bitagent's recognition that even these Nazi skinheads have issues on which they actually make sense, so why not join forces on only those issues, but separate again when other issues are addressed? I personally would be prepared to work with a group that loathes Arabs and fanatically supports Israeli genocide, if the issue is garbage collection in a rat-infested neighborhood where we both reside, as long as we both agree about the garbage collection. I would be prepared to work with a fanatic anti-abortion group to force a corporation to clean up its toxic waste in my town. I would be willing to work with nazi skinheads that oppose any aggression against Iran. Or an anti-feminist group that supports BDS against Israel. On other issues, I would just as enthusiastically be on the opposing side, joining up with others who agree on those specific issues. But that's me, and that's my point: I know that you would not be willing to do that, and I can respect your right to make your own decisions as long as you can respect my right to make mine.

I think that perhaps the greatest weakness of the Left, not just but especially in America, is this fatal insistence on purity, this hysterical Manichean demonization and intolerance of opposing views, which typically leads to the bulk of its energies being spent on raging internal squabbles and the rejection of potentially useful strategic allies, while the other side proceeds to get into bed with all kinds of weirdos and freaks and gets things done. In effect, all the Left has accomplished is disqualifying itself from the game, trapping itself in a steadily shrinking and inaccessible internal world, leaving the field wide open for the Right to take over and literally become the only viable alternative. The Left's typical insistence on ideological orthodoxy and purity on even esoteric points of disagreement that have way too many of us at each others' throats, have led to its alienation from the masses of ordinary people whom it claims to care about and represent.

Furthermore, by leaving its ghetto, the Left becomes available as one of many political alternatives for individuals who are not happy with the Right but are repulsed by the insularity and ideological squabbles and impotence of the Left. This benefits society by increasing the choices available, and it benefits the Left by exposing it to the real concerns of real people. I think in itself this will help to break down a lot of the seemingly insurmountable barriers that have been deliberately erected between subgroups in society in order to fragment potential opposition. Simply by transforming Black and White people into valuable potential allies on specific issues that matter to both, you're eating away at the "us vs them" mentality. At the same time, each group is free to pursue an internal ideological consensus and make pragmatic decisions on how best to accomplish its own goals, while respecting the others' right to do the same. Why shouldn't individuals have the option of joining one group that ideologically represents them while working on an ad hoc basis with others that don't, in order to achieve specific objectives that are vitally important to all?

I keep thinking of a ship being steered by a drunken captain towards a pile of sharp rocks, while the passengers and crew waste their time and energy squabbling about who is best qualified to stop him.
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Re: White Power USA: Video Report By Al Jazeera

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:18 am

Thank God for the old "ship metaphor". Again, well said Alice.

I ran into an old dude today, who couldn't believe that I call myself a "leftist". He was bitching about liberal this and liberal that. And you know, I agreed. I told him, "fuck the liberals". "But do understand, I am as far left as you can go." -- (besides not being a vegan) 8)

He asked, "So you're a liberal?"

I said no, I hate them too. I probably anymore, hate them worse -- well, the ideology. (many an argument with Obama believers last year set me straight)

But if you're left wing, aren't you, isn't one, a liberal?

I said no. I said I ain't no libertarian either. I fucking hate the "right" and I loathe the "left". I basically, like you, hate fucking bureaucracy.

I believe in you and I believe in me (yay). But this shit is a scam and we ain't in on it. And even if we were, I still wouldn't be in on it.

So. . . .

Why must the economic "debacle" be couched within terms of race and culture? Well, because us former libs didn't get any traction lo these last about 10 years. Why no traction? Because this is LCD time, lowest common denominator. Our liberal greats were all turn-coats. I will only bring up one name here, but Jerry Springer. Look at that asshat. He singlehandedly in some ways dictated what would in the future would further addict American TV viewers to the way of life as the thug, the slut, the unwanted youth -- the "reality TV" of it all. But all couched, again, in a liberal, fatherly, insipid close-out, where he would talk about how we all need to be kinder to one another. Talk about a reverse crack (drug) that also goes forward. Completely changed TV and systematically American culture right there. All bases were covered.

Things were good in the Jerry Springer years. Clinton was in office, opportunity was abound. 'Cept they weren't -- times good, that is, if you were "paying attention" to the empathic destitution those years introduced.

In rolls 9/11. And everybody gets thrown off their "game". This world as our dotcom oyster that is also a red-tide cesspool of Jerry Springer antics that all youth learned from, becomes the clean slate of a new time, a new era. America, motherfuckers, was UNDER ATTACK!!!!

Then you roll in the slender pages of the city weeklies in the early aughts. Nobody wanted to advertise. Everybody was confused. The hotels were dead, the real estate market as well. Then in come the big banners outside of banks promising low rates. Then, in flows the money that would finally, contractually destroy the American middle class.

To cut the story short, throw in your Obama down the road and let the economic morass marinate within black person, arab person "craziness" and TERRORISM, all the while knowing the deep and abiding racism and confusion that exists, then let the water out of the bathtub.

Hidey Ho!
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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