tazmic wrote:Perhaps we are in love with our dreaming, rather than our dreams.
Joe wrote:According to some chaos magicians thats actually how you should be. Your dreams are the product of your dreaming, which is a process. To be in love with them instead of the process itself is what is sometimes referred to as being possessed by Choronzon, or the products of your own ego. Thats probably akin to being stuck in rigid "reality tunnels" too. Its probably also maya.
Yeah, Joe I agree. But our positions appear contradictory. So perhaps we are using different perspectives to talk about the same thing? I think we can agree on a shared perspective in which to recast both our positions, and then we will be able to see we are saying the same thing, without contradiction (too many fingers, only one moon ):
If you are blinded by your dreams, you will not be aware of the process, the dreaming, as an active underlying principle, hence muchomaya, lost in dreams, living in the map, disconnected from the territory. The point here is the nature of dreams and dreaming is forgotten without the context of the awareness of the process.
Similarly, if we our blinded by our map making, increasingly disconected from the terrain, we will act as if we are in love with our dreaming, and its products, rather than putting our dreams in context, apperceiving the dreamscape...reconnecting with the terrain, and seeing them AS dreams.
I think we were saying the same thing...but I think I prefer your take on it.