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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby compared2what? » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:24 am

dbcooper41 wrote:
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He's presumably unnamed for a combination of constitutional privacy and common-sense security reasons. I mean, they're naming the two officers who were wounded, because they were directly involved. But there's not any particularly newsworthy reason for them to release the name of anyone else on the duty roster, thereby potentially making targets out of them.

i'm pretty sure i read that the 3rd, unidentified officer is the one who fired the fatal shot.
if that's correct, he's pretty involved. sorry i don't have the link but i'll try and find it.
do they usually withhold the names in fatal shootings?


No, of course not. Although there is no "usually" wrt naming armed federal officers who shoot and kill people, really.

But mainly, um....yikes.. I'm so sorry for the sloppy error. :oops: :oops: :oops:

wouldn't that be some type of public record?


Yes. Several. But you'd need to be more of a DoD FOIA specialist than I am to know which ones, if any, weren't protected from disclosure under one or more parts of exemptions 5, 6 and 7. (link to language of all nine exemptions wrt to the DoD here, confusingly presented. But I mean the sections headed "(e) Number 5," "(f) Number 6," and "(g) Number 7.")

FWIW, which is very little, my uneducated guess would be that assuming that the Pentagon Force Protection Agency and/or the officer himself don't want his name publicized, it would be pretty difficult to get a court to order production of it, under these circumstances.

Although without knowing how good the sourcing that puts the third, unnamed officer at the scene is, it's impossible to say whether the PFPA's official statement....

Last night at approximately 6:40 pm, John Patrick Bedell, 36, approached Pentagon Police Officers Jeffery Amos and Marvin Carraway who were located at their security checkpoint, adjacent to the Pentagon metro entrance facility.

Mr. Bedell produced a handgun and began firing at the officers while he tried to enter the building. Officer's Amos and Carraway were grazed by the fire, returned gun fire and neutralized him before he reached the building.

Pentagon Force Protection Agency medics immediately rendered first aid to the injured officers and Mr. Bedell. The two officers along with Mr. Bedell were transported to George Washington University Hospital. Officers Amos and Carraway were treated and released while Mr. Bedell died at approximately 10 p.m. from gunshot wounds.

The investigation is currently underway and is a collaborative effort among the FBI, Pentagon Force Protection Agency, and Metro Police.

The Pentagon Metrorail station and Pentagon Transit Centers were closed shortly before 10 p.m. last night and remain closed to allow the FBI to investigate the crime scene. An update will be provided when re-opened.


...would be hugely advantageous or hugely disadvantageous. Because if the press is just doing a slipshod job in adding a third guy based on their own misunderstanding of and/or over-reliance on chitter-chat, it would obviously be the latter.

But if there's some documentation or other reliable support for those reports, you'd be in business, even by, like, Scalia's standards. Due to it being very much in the public interest to know why the federal government is demonstrably telling bald-faced lies about the circumstances under which it killed someone.

The key there being "demonstrably," obviously.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby compared2what? » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:11 am

dbcooper41 wrote:http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/7173587/
an excerpt from the story maddy just posted:

Hill said that Bedell, 36, has been at in-patient mental health institutions at least four times.

The parents reported Bedell missing on Jan. 4, one day after a Texas Highway Patrol officer stopped him for speeding in Amarillo, according to the missing person's report. Bedell told the highway patrolman he was heading for the East Coast, and the officer used Bedell's phones to call his mother, Kaye Bedell, because he seemed disheveled and out of sorts.

Kaye Bedell told the highway patrol officer in Texas that her son was fine, and the patrolman let him go with a warning. The next day, Kaye told sheriff's deputies in California that her son didn't have any reason to travel to the East Coast because he had no friends or family there and they were worried about his mental state.

The 36-year-old Bedell returned to his parent's home on January 18, telling them "not to ask any questions" about where he had been.

His father told deputies his son then left. They did not know where he had gone.

"This is, you know, Middle America," Hill said. "These parents are good folks."

Sometime afterward, Bedell drove cross-country and arrived outside the military headquarters armed with two semi-automatic weapons, authorities said Friday. Internet postings linked to the lone shooting suspect reflect long-held anti-government anger.


so,
1- he's a former mental in-patient. MK anyone?

"He just reached in his pocket, pulled out a gun and started shooting" at
point-blank range, Keevill said. "He walked up very cool. He had no real emotion
on his face.
"
http://www.wral.com/news/political/story/7171997/

2-a 36 year old man is pulled for speeding in texas and the trooper borrows his phone to call his mom because he's "disheveled and out of sorts"?
now patrick, let me see your cell phone so i can call your mommy. does she know you have the car?

when's the last time you heard of that happening? last time i got pulled while "disheveled and out of sorts" they didn't seem to care who my mom was. they gave me a ticket and a breathalizer test. i guess things are different in texas nowdays.

3- mom tells trooper "he's fine". so they let him go without even a speeding ticket?
again, is this unusual?

4- why did the parents file a missing persons report the day after they found out he was in texas? at that point they knew he was alive and on the road. if he was "mentally impaired" wouldn't a silver alert be more appropriate. though both seem a little unusual considering they knew about where he was.

5- what was going on in texas the beginning on january?

i'd like to see the warning ticket, missing person report, troopers name,(they created a nice neat paper trail for mr oswal..i mean bedell) and some more on his family background.
i imagine we'll soon learn that he killed his sister when he was younger.


Well. to start on a subject unrelated to the above-quoted:

(1) I saw in at least one article that the (apparently) original source for a third officer being involved was a Pentagon spokesperson. So: Good eye. There's a math problem there. Although I suppose he could say he was going off of early, inaccurate info or something. But it's pretty fucking hinky, imo. That said, moving right along to...

(2) ...the question of potential MK-Ultra-hood and psy-ops generally, you know what? The more I read, the less I see to support that view. For one thing, it's not having any impact on the nation's psyche, to speak of. Cable news personalities are hysterically carrying on and leaping to predictable conclusions, granted. But they also do that when a kitten gets stuck in a tree.

Besides which, there aren't really any contemporary Big Media Personalities who have so much clout or credibility with the nation as a whole for what they say about subjects on which the vast majority of their viewers have had strong and decided opinions for years -- such as, inter alia, 9/11 truth -- to alter the status quo by much. (Barring some highly theoretical scenario in which they suddenly decided to shock the world by doing thorough, substantive and relevant factual reporting on the topic, obviously.)

Furthermore, news stories that don't have a sexy or dramatic visual component (celebrity mugshot, attractive missing minor and/or pregnant female, planes flying into tall buildings, Anderson Cooper backed by bodies floating down the currents of flooded New Orleans, etc) are typically all but completely forgotten in a matter of months, if not sooner. As are some news stories that do, for that matter. Speaking of New Orleans.

And finally: There's way too much right-libertarian anger at the government for comfort already.

And I just honestly can't see how the death of a young, clean-cut, and basically sympathetic right-libertarian at the hands of armed Pentagon gatekeepers could possibly do anything except increase it. Especially given that his life's calling was seeing justice done for a proud Marine who'd been betrayed by the group of shady, covert criminals that almost everyone on planet earth thinks of as being the infinitely and monstrously evil servants of [VILE ELITIST GROUP OF YOUR CHOICE HERE].

Because the violence just wasn't large-scale or public enough to have an adverse recruiting affect on any of he numerous. more politically organized groups that share both Bedell's love for our troops and private property ownership and his hatred of public education and the federal government. It takes something more along the lines of the 1968 Democratic Convention to drive the armchair revolutionaries back to their Barc-a-Loungers. Off-camera martyrdoms do the reverse, almost always.

I mean, it's just manifestly not going to be very psy-operational to send a brainwashed John Patrick Bedell to the slaughter in a climate where even James Von Brunn didn't get much traction as a boogeyman; the phrase "conspiracy theorist" is already so thoroughly bad-jacketed that it's beyond rehabilitation and not in need of any booster shots; and at this point, there just aren't that many people who are so enraged by the assertion that 9/11 was an inside job that the slightest exposure to it sends them into such a blind state of frothing patriotism that they forget they don't have jobs or health insurance or whatever.

So I don't see really see what would have made it a game worth the candle from the perspective of formal political authority and power, in a nutshell. I mean they do definitely benefit somewhat from having the spotlight directed elsewhere for a news cycle or two at the moment.

But if that was the only goal, there are (a) about one-million-and-one lower-risk ways of achieving it; and (b) no reasons I can think of to introduce it on a Thursday and then hype the shit out of it on a Friday.
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Although I still don't think there's enough information to hang a hat on. And I do have to say that his parents aren't quite adding up for me. Both of them seem to use more than one first name, for one thing. So I'm having a hard time figuring out what and who they are, exactly. Which isn't definitive, but is kind of unusual. I'd be very interested in knowing a lot more on the family-background-and-affiliations front, if anyone knows anything.
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Oh! I almost forgot: dbc41, I have more detail on that clinic thing, if you're interested, even though I do feel compelled to admit in advance that it's totally not interesting. It's just detailed. So please do let me know if you still care.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby elfismiles » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:51 am

TRIPLE-QUAD WHAMMY: his amazon.com profile listed Austin, Texas as his hometown and media reports are linking him to the "Capital L" Libertarian Ludwig Von Mises community which is so touted by the AntiWar.com activists.

:doh: :ohno: :panic:

EDIT: whether he was really from here or just listed austin in solidarity with Joe Stack probably matters little.

wordspeak2 wrote:It's obviously a great double whammy for the PTB. A "9/11 truther" *and* a marijuana activist/addict who was against federal government intrusion into medical marijuana. In my humble opinion, "9/11 truth" and the medical marijuana movement are the two most important trends/movements/memes out there in the U.S. right now. Lumping them together and associating both with a crazed-Pentagon-killer-- brilliant! Where did they find this guy? Oh, Orange County.
No, actually, this is a tragically brilliant psy-op, especially the medical marijuana part. Because, remember, as we learned a few days ago- pot causes psychosis. And we know what happens when you're psychotic-- you open fire on the very people who are defending you, the Defense Department. Oh, these anti-government wingnuts. If there are any in *your* family or circle of friends, do be sure to notify authorities (I loved that part on the CNN clip at the end- did anybody catch that?).
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:30 pm

Well don't forget one of the most brazen acts of "suiciding" someone in the past couple of years was this, and it was in Austin:

http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2509/1/

Wednesday, April 16, 2008, the Austin Police Department announced Riad Hamad's death as a 'suicide,' despite his body being discovered gagged and bound with duct tape. Hamad had claimed he was being targeted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and local law enforcement.


I'm having trouble finding good links for this, but at the time there were some decent news stories about it.

And, as far as discrediting "911 truthers", just today Ahmiz-whathisname-abad, the President of Iran, came out and said publicly that the official story of 9/11 was a lie.

What a nutjob!
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby dbcooper41 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:40 pm

has anyone heard anything on his weapons?
how'd he get 2 pistols in california with 4 mental health commitments?
and where were the guns when he got busted with "over" 2 ozs in reno on feb 1 and jan 3 smelling of marijuana in texas. i would assume they did a thorough car search.
are nevada and texas that easy on drugs these days?
no wonder so much dope gets smuggled through there.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10026918&page=2

On Jan. 3, a Texas Department of Public Safety officer stopped him for speeding near Amarillo, smelling of marijuana and saying he was heading to the East
Coast. Bedell acted strangely, sitting on his knees by the roadside and turning
off his cell phone whenever it rang.

After his mother called, the officer asked to speak to her. A patrol spokesman
declined to reveal the conversation Friday but said Bedell was cited for
possessing drug paraphernalia and released.

strange behavior with his cellphone. like he's running from someone.
and how did mom get through if he turned the phone off?
was he waiting for her call and dodging someone elses?
she must be a very charming person to get such consideration from the texas police.

Bedell's mother told Monaco, the family friend, that she had wanted her son
taken to a mental institution. "But they couldn't because he is an adult and he
refused," Monaco said.
The next morning, fearing for their son's well-being, Bedell's parents filed a
missing person's report.

Kaye Bedell found a message on her son's computer indicating he had spent $600
at a gun store or shooting range in El Dorado County, east of Sacramento. She
was afraid he had purchased a gun or ammunition, said San Benito County Sheriff
Curtis Hill.

When Bedell returned to his parent's home Jan. 18, he would not say where he had
been, Hill said. Then he left for parts unknown.
On Feb. 1, authorities say he was arrested in Reno, Nev., with more than two
ounces of marijuana in his car but no weapons.

Internet postings suggested Bedell was fascinated with conspiracy theories,
computer programming, libertarian economics and the science of warfare.
In a 28-page document, Bedell proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his
research on smart weapons that might "provide significant new capabilities for
the Department of Defense and the individual warfighter."
On the day of his Pentagon attack, the six-foot tall, blue-eyed software devotee
approached the entrance, then opened fire with a 9 mm handgun, wounding two
officers. He was mortally wounded.

mom, and the police, knew about the probable gun in the possession of a mentally ill person, before he returned home on jan 18. why didn't he have it with him on feb 1 and where was it?
i wonder if this will turn in to a gun control case?




and this was posted on a blog at 9:35pm, thursday.
the guy wasn't even dead yet and he's identified by the AP?

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/04/s ... s-injured/

AP sources: Suspect in Pentagon shooting identified as 36-year-old John Patrick
Bedell.
heroyalwhyness on March 4, 2010 at 9:37 PM


here's another interesting post.
DCJeff on March 4, 2010 at 11:21 PMThe man was calm as he approached the
officers at the main entrance around 6:40 p.m., Pentagon Police Chief Richard
Keevil said at a news conference. The officers asked to see his pass to enter
the building; he started shooting without saying a word.
If this is accurate, the Metro reference is misleading, this is the security
checkpoint (for Pentagon badge) one goes through before they ever get near the
building. The Pentagon Police would be somewhat suspicious because NOBODY and I
mean NOBODY “is looking” for their badge as they queue up here
.
Glad that the good guys were not killed and the shooter has life threatening
injuries.


another poster copied a story about a possible second suspect. any info on that?
2nd person scrutinized in Pentagon subway shooting
By DEVLIN BARRETT and MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) – Law enforcement officials say they’ve got one person in
custody and are investigating whether a second was involved in a shooting at
Pentagon subway entrance
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still
unfolding.
They say there’s no immediate signs of terrorism but, with information coming in
quickly, they haven’t ruled anything out.
Two police officers were shot and critically wounded in the shooting.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:28 pm

dbcooper41 wrote:has anyone heard anything on his weapons?
how'd he get 2 pistols in california with 4 mental health commitments?


Mr. Cooper, do you live in America? Illicit guns are pretty much like underage drinking here, in case you were unaware. I have, really, no interest in guns whatsoever, yet I have owned at least four that I can think of offhand merely as a result of the terms of various drug deals and flea market bartering, not one of which was in any way legal or registered. I'm perfectly confident that I could leave my house now and return in two to four hours with a servicable weapon.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby dbcooper41 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:26 pm

barracuda
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:28 am

Re: shooting at pentagon

dbcooper41 wrote:
has anyone heard anything on his weapons?
how'd he get 2 pistols in california with 4 mental health commitments?


Mr. Cooper, do you live in America? Illicit guns are pretty much like underage drinking here, in case you were unaware. I have, really, no interest in guns whatsoever, yet I have owned at least four that I can think of offhand merely as a result of the terms of various drug deals and flea market bartering, not one of which was in any way legal or registered. I'm perfectly confident that I could leave my house now and return in two to four hours with a servicable weapon.


i'm aware of the underground gun trade in america.
but he doesn't really seem like the "type" to be "hooked up", unlike yourself.
if he lived elsewhere his weed dealer may have had a "connection" who could "do a favor for a friend of a friend", but, i've gotten the impression that he was a medical pot case.
if so then he didn't need to deal with the seamy underbelly of the illicit drug/hotgun world, again, unlike yourself :wink:
i'm also not aware of many street level illegal arms dealers who provide large quantities of ammo, as he was reported to posess. but this honestly is out of my area of personal expertise.
btw, his personal cultivation habits would have been a direct challenge to the established controlled drug trade.

i guess my original question should have been more specific:
in california could he have legally purchased (qty)2, 9mm pistols in light of the fact that he had at least 4 documented in-patient treatments for mental health issues?

he also had a documented history of criminal behavior(growing weed).
does california require a permit to purchase a hand gun?
if so, would he qualify?

if he wouldn't qualify then his weapons were illegal and my question becomes:
has anyone heard of any official inquiries as to the origin of the illegal weapons used in the so called "pentagon shooting"?

have they determined what exactly the $600 purchase was at the "gun store or shooting range in El Dorado County, east of Sacramento"?
considering how quickly they were able to identify him and track him cross country it should be easy to locate the "gun store or shooting range in El Dorado County, east of Sacramento" and inquire as to his purchase.
though it appears they may want to refer all inquiries to their lawyer at this point.

and i'm still curious how he avoided getting busted in texas. it's difficult to imagine someone who smokes as heavily as he appeared to, not having a stash with him for a cross country trip. he had 2 ounces in nevada so apparently he liked to pack heavily for his trips.

it looks to me like he might have had a sponsor.
i wonder if the possible second suspect was wearing a polka dot dress?
http://hnn.us/articles/38496.html
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby elfismiles » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:28 pm

barracuda wrote:
dbcooper41 wrote:has anyone heard anything on his weapons?
how'd he get 2 pistols in california with 4 mental health commitments?


Mr. Cooper, do you live in America? Illicit guns are pretty much like underage drinking here, in case you were unaware. I have, really, no interest in guns whatsoever, yet I have owned at least four that I can think of offhand merely as a result of the terms of various drug deals and flea market bartering, not one of which was in any way legal or registered. I'm perfectly confident that I could leave my house now and return in two to four hours with a servicable weapon.


cuda, your life story never ceases to amaze and surprise me.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:51 pm

dbcooper41 wrote:i'm aware of the underground gun trade in america.
but he doesn't really seem like the "type" to be "hooked up", unlike yourself.
if he lived elsewhere his weed dealer may have had a "connection" who could "do a favor for a friend of a friend", but, i've gotten the impression that he was a medical pot case.
if so then he didn't need to deal with the seamy underbelly of the illicit drug/hotgun world, again, unlike yourself :wink:
i'm also not aware of many street level illegal arms dealers who provide large quantities of ammo, as he was reported to posess. but this honestly is out of my area of personal expertise.
btw, his personal cultivation habits would have been a direct challenge to the established controlled drug trade.


My personal experience is that it is very nearly impossible to use or consistantly purchase marijuana without coming into contact with illegal weapons trading. Especially in San Jose or thereabouts. And no, I don't think his small personal growing would put him in competiton with organised crime. It's a big tent out here.

i guess my original question should have been more specific:
in california could he have legally purchased (qty)2, 9mm pistols in light of the fact that he had at least 4 documented in-patient treatments for mental health issues?


It would depend upon the nature and extent of those treatments and how they were classified during the background check for handgun purchases. In California:
    "It is unlawful for anyone convicted of a felony, or who is a drug addict, present or former mental patient, ever committed for mental observation, or acquitted by reason of insanity to own or possess any firearm."

he also had a documented history of criminal behavior(growing weed).
does california require a permit to purchase a hand gun?
if so, would he qualify?


See above. Also, there is no permit for the purchase of a handgun here, but there is a registration and background check.

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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby dbcooper41 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:53 pm

from the abc news version previously posted:
Quote:
On Jan. 3, a Texas Department of Public Safety officer stopped him for speeding near Amarillo, smelling of marijuana and saying he was heading to the East Coast. Bedell acted strangely, sitting on his knees by the roadside and turning off his cell phone whenever it rang.
After his mother called, the officer asked to speak to her. A patrol spokesman declined to reveal the conversation Friday but said Bedell was cited for possessing drug paraphernalia and released.


and:
Quote:
Bedell's mother told Monaco, the family friend, that she had wanted her son taken to a mental institution. "But they couldn't because he is an adult and he refused," Monaco said.
The next morning, fearing for their son's well-being, Bedell's parents filed a
missing person's report
.


now a version of the same event from a local california station:

http://www.kionrightnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12092766

KION - Monterey, Salinas, Santa Cruz - News Weather
Family Filed a Missing Person Report for Pentagon ShooterMember
Posted: Mar 05, 2010 5:39 PM EST
Updated: Mar 06, 2010 2:18 AM EST

HOLISTER, Calif- Central Coast
News has learned that John Patrick Bedel went missing for a few weeks before he allegedly opened fire at the Pentagon Metro station.

His family filed a missing person report with the San Benito Sheriff's
Department in January.

According to the report, Oscar Bedell had not seen his son since December 30th after John Patrick Bedel got in a fight with his brother. Oscar Bedell said that he was concerned for his son's safety.

In the report is states that the last contact they had with Bedell when he went missing was on January 3rd. John's mother, Karen Bedell received a phone call from a Texas Highway Patrol Officer saying that he had pulled her son over for speeding. The officer said that Bedell's vehicle was in a state of disarray.
According to the report the officer asked Bedell's mother if she believed that Bedell was a danger to himself or others. The reports says that Karen Bedell said that her son was okay.

The report states that Bedel had a medical Marijuana card and had been detained for a mental evaluation.

According to the report, John Patrick Bedell returned home the week of January 18th. According to his father upon returning home, Bedell told them not to ask any questions about where he was or what he was doing.

The report also mentions that Bedell made a $600 dollar purchase at a shooting range in Sacramento.

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so this, the official missing person report, says the trooper called her.
abc says she called them.
could be sloppy editing, there are many typos in the article, but it is a pretty big discrepancy.
the report also says she told the trooper he was "okay".
the report also says he had a medical pot card so i wonder;
was dr nelson aka dr feelgood?
anyone familiar with the medical pot retail situation in the area?

since they filed the report, including the $600 gun purchase info, the day AFTER the police had contact with him and them, could they have been trying to cover themselves for something by filing the report?
did mom convince the trooper to honor his medical marijuana card?
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby compared2what? » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:18 am

dbcooper41 wrote:has anyone heard anything on his weapons?
how'd he get 2 pistols in california with 4 mental health commitments?


There's no database of people who have been in mental institutions, so that law doesn't really do much except be ink on paper. Also, he wasn't committed, afaik. The bar for involuntary commitment is very, very high, as a rule. You pretty much have to have made a very serious attempt to kill someone else or yourself. And he doesn't appear to have that kind of a record. So I assume that his stints on the ward were voluntary.

Long story short: People who have been in a mental institutions don't really have any more trouble buying guns legally than people who haven't, in practice.
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Re: shooting at pentagon

Postby dbcooper41 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:28 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

some family info.
i suppose this is the official family story, so far.
By Ian Shapira
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 7, 2010
John Patrick Bedell was an independent-minded and skeptical teenager -- bright and questioning, with strongly held opinions, like countless other young people, his brother remembered Saturday.

Bedell, who went by Patrick, had vigorously objected to the government's role in the 1991 Persian Gulf War since high school, telling relatives that the United States was trying to enrich itself and oil companies, said his brother, 33-year-old Jeffrey Bedell.

But, in about 2002, after the breakup of a long-term relationship with a
girlfriend
, his skepticism began to turn to deep-rooted suspicion. And soon it became paranoia, his brother said.

Patrick would point skyward, convinced that "they" were watching him. He believed songs he heard on the radio were meant as warnings. Deeply concerned, the Bedell family and close friends tried to seek medical help for him, but Patrick refused, convinced that he was privy to information that warranted his mind-set.

No one knows why Patrick Bedell, 36, traveled across the country from his
parents' home here and opened fire at the entrance to the Pentagon, injuring
police officers Jeffrey Amos and Marvin L. Carraway. But these accumulating
moments of paranoia in the early 2000s appear to signal the time when he started on the course that would end with him shot and killed by three Pentagon police officers.

"There were symptoms of a mental disorder, approaching paranoid schizophrenia," said Jeffrey Bedell, a former California deputy attorney general who is a financial adviser. "I can only imagine the terror in his own mind. He believed there were people who meant to do him harm. My feeling is that his brain chemistry changed at some point."

The arc of a troubled life
In the Bedell family's first interview since the shooting, Jeffrey, the youngest
of three siblings, opened up about Patrick's once promising life path and
decline into mental disarray, as well as how the family has been coping with its link to his headline-dominating act of violence.

A close family friend, Reb Monaco, a San Benito County supervisor, also helped trace the arc of Patrick Bedell's increasingly troubled life.

Jeffrey Bedell said he was having dinner at home with friends in Sacramento when he learned what his brother had done. His father called and told him to turn on the news.

"He said, 'Your brother has fired shots at the Pentagon,' " said Jeffrey Bedell,
removing his tortoise-shell glasses and rubbing tears from his face. "I turned
on the television, and I called George Washington's hospital and spoke to an FBI agent and doctor. The doctor told me he 'expired.' He said they did everything they could but that when he was brought to the hospital, he was not physiologically alive."


Learning that his brother -- once a roommate and a confidant -- had committed such violence convinces Jeffrey Bedell that he never grasped the full extent of Patrick's rage. His brother, Jeffrey said, never expressed a desire to use a firearm. But his parents had warned authorities that Patrick was missing and possibly armed.

Jeffrey said he first learned of his brother's interest in guns last month, when the family discovered that he had a credit card charge to a gun shop in Rancho Cordova, near Sacramento. He apparently had tried to purchase a gun, and the family learned that he failed a background check. "I was very surprised. There was no reason he needed one," Jeffrey said.
Jeffrey said he learned from his mother that Patrick made a purchase at a
Washington area gun shop before Thursday night's shooting. "There was a credit card charge at some gun shop in Silver Spring, Maryland,"
Jeffrey said.


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Attempts to talk to the injured officers Saturday were unsuccessful. Chris
Layman, a spokesman for the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, said officials were not allowing interviews with them.

In Hollister and surrounding San Benito County, a largely agricultural region,
the Bedell family has long burnished a respected reputation. Oscar John Bedell, known as "O.J.", moved to Hollister about 60 years ago and worked for a bank.

His son Oscar John Bedell Jr. moved here with his wife, Karen "Kaye" Bedell, after both served in the military in Germany in the 1960s. The couple had three children: Patrick, born in 1973, then Matthew in 1974 and Jeffrey in 1976. Jeffrey Bedell and Monaco recounted that Patrick was considered "hyperintelligent" by the community when he was growing up. Even as a 3- or 4-year-old, Patrick wanted to go to the library to pick up books "way above his grade level," his brother said.

Monaco said: "There was competitiveness I observed in the three boys, more of an intellectual competitiveness. There was always intellectual banter, sometimes really, really humorous."

Later, Patrick warmed to nonfiction, including European history and literature
about physicist Stephen Hawking. But he joined few if any clubs. "While he was an outgoing kid, he would also isolate himself. He would go into his room and read. It wasn't like he was a social outcast. But he wasn't a joiner," Monaco said.

"People in the news have speculated if he did this by himself or not. He was not a joiner," Jeffrey Bedell said.

Patrick was perpetually in and out of school, enrolling in undergraduate or
graduate programs and sometimes auditing courses. Jeffrey could not recall whether he had worked anywhere. In 1999, the brothers lived together in Berkeley, when Jeffrey was a senior on his way to law school and Patrick was auditing a physics course. "It was fantastic. I had my bed, and he had a futon.
We would go to the café, and I'd be studying, he'd be studying. . . . It was
wonderful," Jeffrey said.

The brothers parted ways when Patrick moved to Austin to live with a woman he met at a bookstore at the University of California at Davis. Jeffrey did not want to name the woman, who he said was pursuing a graduate degree in literature. "I think she appreciated his intelligence. He was charming and very funny, and he was very kind and considerate," Jeffrey said. "It was fantastic to go out with them. I dearly love her."

But in the early 2000s, Patrick's curiosity and skepticism changed to an
off-putting perspective laden with conspiracy theories. He smoked marijuana
frequently. One time, Monaco said, Patrick asked him for his cellphone. Monaco handed it over, and Patrick removed the battery. "He said, 'That's how they can listen to us,' " Monaco said.
The Bedells pleaded with him to seek medical help, but he refused. "I would have conversations with him, trying to convince him to stop smoking marijuana, that it was making his thinking more disordered, but he was not receptive to that," Jeffrey said.
At one point, Patrick brought Monaco to a neighborhood and paced back and forth in front of a home. "He said, 'Those people spy on me at night.' " The family contacted local authorities, but there was nothing it could do unless Patrick consented.
Late last year, Patrick attended a housewarming party at Jeffrey's new home in Sacramento. "He was actually lucid and fun to be around. . . . He was interested in developing a different currency," Jeffrey recalled.
But the end began in January, when Patrick went missing, was pulled over for speeding in Texas and was caught with marijuana. Jeffrey talked to the state trooper and found out his brother was headed to the East Coast, where it was supposedly "warmer." Jeffrey said: "I tried calling him. He never picked up. I left him voice mails."
Two days after Patrick's death, Jeffrey said: "I had my first dream about him
last night. He was there, and I could hear him talking. That's how I knew it was a dream."
Staff writers Theresa Vargas and Matt Zapatosky and special correspondent Anrica Deb contributed to this report.


he sounds like either he was mentally ill or a classic TI who was aware that he was being gang stalked.
i wonder who the lady is?
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Postby Simulist » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:43 pm

dbcooper41 wrote:he sounds like either he was mentally ill or a classic TI who was aware that he was being gang stalked.


Or both. My guess is that John Patrick Bedell was a paranoid and mentally-ill person who looked and then found plenty of reasons in our equally paranoid and mentally-ill government that complemented his own mental illness, and seemed to him to justify his final crazy deed.
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