Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

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Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:56 am

Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case
Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 04:22 EDT
By Glenn Greenwald

Andrew Sullivan rightly recommends this new Atlantic article by David Freed, which details how the FBI and a mindless, stenographic American media combined to destroy the life of Steven Hatfill. Hatfill is the former U.S. Government scientist who for years was publicly depicted as the anthrax attacker and subjected to Government investigations so invasive and relentless that they forced him into almost total seclusion, paralysis and mental instability, only to have the Government years later (in 2008) acknowledge that he had nothing to do with those attacks and to pay him $5.8 million to settle the lawsuit he brought. There are two crucial lessons that ought to be learned from this horrible -- though far-from-rare -- travesty:

(1) It requires an extreme level of irrationality to read what happened to Hatfill and simultaneously to have faith that the "real anthrax attacker" has now been identified as a result of the FBI's wholly untested and uninvestigated case against Bruce Ivins. The parallels are so overwhelming as to be self-evident.

Just as was true for the case against Hatfill, the FBI's case against Ivins is riddled with scientific and evidentiary holes. Much of the public case against Ivins, as was true for Hatfill, was made by subservient establishment reporters mindlessly passing on dubious claims leaked by their anonymous government sources. So unconvincing is the case against Ivins that even the most establishment, government-trusting voices -- including key members of Congress, leading scientific journals and biological weapons experts, and the editorial pages of The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Wall St. Journal -- have all expressed serious doubts over the FBI's case and have called for further, independent investigations.

Yet just as was true for years with the Hatfill accusations, no independent investigations are taking place. That's true for three reasons. First, the FBI drove Ivins to suicide, thus creating an unwarranted public assumption of guilt and ensuring the FBI's case would never be subjected to the critical scrutiny of a trial -- exactly what would have happened with Hatfill had he, like Ivins, succumbed to that temptation, as Freed describes:

The next morning, driving through Georgetown on the way to visit one of his friends in suburban Maryland, I ask Hatfill how close he came to suicide. The muscles in his jaw tighten.

"That was never an option," Hatfill says, staring straight ahead. "If I would've killed myself, I would’ve been automatically judged by the press and the FBI to be guilty."

Second, the American media -- with some notable exceptions -- continued to do to Ivins what it did to Hatfill and what it does in general: uncritically disseminate government claims rather than questioning or investigating them for accuracy. As a result, many Americans continue to blindly assume any accusations that come from the Government must be true. As Freed writes, in a passage with significance far beyond the Hatfill case:

The same, Hatfill believes, cannot be said about American civil liberties. "I was a guy who trusted the government," he says. "Now, I don’t trust a damn thing they do." He trusts reporters even less, dismissing them as little more than lapdogs for law enforcement.

The media's general willingness to report what was spoon-fed to them, in an effort to reassure a frightened public that an arrest was not far off, is somewhat understandable considering the level of fear that gripped the nation following 9/11. But that doesn’t "justify the sliming of Steven Hatfill," says Edward Wasserman, who is the Knight Professor of Journalism Ethics at Washington and Lee University, in Virginia. "If anything, it's a reminder that an unquestioning media serves as a potential lever of power to be activated by the government, almost at will."

No matter how many times the Government and media jointly disseminate outright lies to the American citizenry -- remember Iraq, or Jessica Lynch's heroic Rambo-like firefight with Evil Iraqi Villains, or Pat Tillman's death at the hands of Al Qaeda Monsters, or all the gloriously successful air strikes and raids on Terrorists that never happened? -- that propagandistic process never weakens. As a result, many Americans (especially when their party is in power) simply place blind faith in whatever the Government claims (even when the claims are issued anonymously and accompanied by no tested evidence). Hence, the Government claims it knows that Ivins is the anthrax killer; the American media largely affirms that claim; and, for so many people, that's the end of the story, no matter how many times that exact process has so woefully misled them and no matter how many credible and even mainstream sources question it.

Third, the Obama administration is actively and aggressively blocking any efforts to investigate the FBI's case against Ivins through an Obama veto threat, based on the Orwellian, backward claim that such an investigation "would undermine public confidence" in the FBI's case "and unfairly cast doubt on its conclusions." As explained in a letter to the Obama administration by Rep. Rush Holt, the former physicist who represents the New Jersey district from which the anthrax letters were sent:

The Bureau has asserted repeatedly and with confidence that the "Amerithrax" investigation is the most thorough they have ever conducted -- claims they made even as they were erroneously pursuing Dr. Steven Hatfill. . . . Many critical questions in this case remain unanswered, and there are many reasons why there is not, nor ever has been, public confidence in the investigation or the FBI’s conclusions, precisely because it was botched at multiple points over more than eight years. Indeed, opposing an independent examination of any aspect of the investigation will only fuel the public’s belief that the FBI’s case could not hold up in court, and that in fact the real killer may still be at large.

The anthrax attacks were one of the most significant political events of this generation -- as significant as the 9/11 attack, if not more so, in creating the climate of fear that prevailed (and still prevails) in the U.S., which, in turn, spawned so much expansion of government power. It is worth remembering what happened in the Hatfill case in order to be reminded of just how inexcusable it is that there has been no independent investigation of the case against Ivins and that the current administration is now aggressively and quite strangely blocking any efforts to do so.

(2) More generally, it is hard to overstate the authoritarian impulses necessary for someone -- even in the wake of numerous cases like Steven Hatfill's -- to place blind faith in government accusations without needing to see any evidence or have that evidence subjected to adversarial scrutiny. Yet that is exactly the blind faith that dominates so many of our political debates.

Throughout the Bush years, anyone who argued against warrantless surveillance, or torture, or lawless detention and rendition, was met with this response: but this is all being done to Terrorists. What they actually meant was: these are people accused by the Government, with no evidence or trials, of being Terrorists. But the authoritarian mind, by definition, recognizes no distinction between "Our leaders claim X" and "X is true." For them, the former is proof of the latter. Identically, those who now argue against due-process-free presidential assassinations of American citizens and charge-less indefinite detentions are met with a similar response: but these are dangerous people who are trying to kill Americans, when what they actually mean is: Obama officials claim, with no evidence shown and no process given, that these are dangerous people trying to kill Americans. The authoritarian mind refuses to recognize any distinction between those two very different propositions.

No matter how many Steven Hatfills there are -- indeed, no matter how undeniable is the evidence that the Government repeatedly accused people of being Terrorists who were no such thing, even while knowing the accusations were false -- the authoritarians among us continue to blindly recite unproven Government accusations (but he's a Terrorist!) to justify the most extreme detention, surveillance and even assassination policies, all without needing or wanting any due process or evidence. No matter how many times it is shown how unreliable those kinds of untested government accusations are (either due to abuse or error), there is no shortage of people willing to place blind faith in such pronouncements and to vest political leaders with all sorts of unchecked powers to act on them.

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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:55 pm

Andrew Sullivan rightly recommends this new Atlantic article


Well there's a double-red flag right there!

Sorry, but I cannot believe anything the Atlantic says, they are a propaganda outfit, and Andrew Sullivan is a psychotic tool.
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:05 pm

Nordic wrote:
Andrew Sullivan rightly recommends this new Atlantic article


Well there's a double-red flag right there!

Sorry, but I cannot believe anything the Atlantic says, they are a propaganda outfit, and Andrew Sullivan is a psychotic tool.


Forget about Andrew Sullivan for a minute, and tell me what you think about the sentiment that Greenwald is expressing.
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:05 pm

my opinion is that hatfill was a red herring. his background with SAIC was just a little too well documented for me to believe.
all the time spent on him was time not spent on the finding "the real killers".
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby The Consul » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:00 pm

The key to the "solved" case unravelling is Dulley. She would fall apart fast and easy. The FBI would do anythig to keep that from happening. It would, conceivably, undermine confidence to such an extent that people would in far greater numbers more actively question the official story not just of the anthrax attacks but of 911 itself. Burrying this story is as important to them as a matter of survival. If Dulley were ever compelled to state or testify how she came to make the claims she did; then the state department would have a hard time making up a credible story of how it was all the bad decision making of one senior agent who was over pressured to find the killer (the lone nut law enforcement backup theory, not all that different than lone nut scientist in lab theory). Corporate media uninterested for obvious reasons. However, an astonishing journalistic career awaits the person or team who could crack Dulley.
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:31 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
Nordic wrote:
Andrew Sullivan rightly recommends this new Atlantic article


Well there's a double-red flag right there!

Sorry, but I cannot believe anything the Atlantic says, they are a propaganda outfit, and Andrew Sullivan is a psychotic tool.


Forget about Andrew Sullivan for a minute, and tell me what you think about the sentiment that Greenwald is expressing.



Well, he's right about just about everything but this:

First, the FBI drove Ivins to suicide,


That's a pretty sweeping assumption, given the circumstances. The "suicide" itself is extremely suspicious, as is everything else about this nonsense.

I think it's obvious Hatfill was a red herring, it was fishy then and it's even more fishy now of course.

What amazes me is how the public seems to have forgotten about the Anthrax attacks. There really seems to be a blank spot in most people's consciousness about this, and I have to wonder what sort of hypnotist's trick pulled THAT off.

It's similar to WTC7, most people have no memory of it, until you show it to them. Then they barely remember it. I, myself, was like that, forgot all about it for years!

I have to wonder if the Hatfill situation had something to do with "closing" this in people's minds somehow, sort of a false-flag of justice. :shrug: It was certainly "disinfo" and the whole 9/11 situation, including the anthrax attacks, were the most sophisticated and successful (and big) psyops operation of all time.

The black ops folks will be studying this one for generations.
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:00 pm

First, the FBI drove Ivins to suicide,


Nordic wrote:That's a pretty sweeping assumption, given the circumstances. The "suicide" itself is extremely suspicious, as is everything else about this nonsense.


I agree with you here, Nordic.

And I can't speak for Greenwald, but even if he does believe that Ivins was "suicided," he certainly can't say that in Salon.

Nordic wrote:What amazes me is how the public seems to have forgotten about the Anthrax attacks. There really seems to be a blank spot in most people's consciousness about this, and I have to wonder what sort of hypnotist's trick pulled THAT off.


Yes, which is why this Greenwald piece is so important. While he's NOT insinuating that Ivins may have had help with his suicide (which would be unpublishable in Salon), he IS bringing the issue back to national prominence, and encouraging people to question the official version of the Ivins story, which is a rabbit hole to everything else that they should be questioning.

It's not a perfect article, but goes as far as possible in a mainstream source.

AND...if you post it on your Facebook page, people will be more likely to read it and believe it because of the source. :wink:
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby druff » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:17 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:AND...if you post it on your Facebook page, people will be more likely to read it and believe it because of the source. :wink:


I wish it were apparent that anyone on my Facebook page gave a shit about anything of any actual importance. It's maddeningly difficult to find engaged people within one's (or maybe just my) actual circle of friends. Without random internet sympathizers, shit, what would I do... I guess informed people supposedly do exist in the real world, but where are they all hiding?!
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:32 pm

druff wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:AND...if you post it on your Facebook page, people will be more likely to read it and believe it because of the source. :wink:


I wish it were apparent that anyone on my Facebook page gave a shit about anything of any actual importance. It's maddeningly difficult to find engaged people within one's (or maybe just my) actual circle of friends. Without random internet sympathizers, shit, what would I do... I guess informed people supposedly do exist in the real world, but where are they all hiding?!


I know what you mean, druff.

Here are some recent FB updates from my circle of friends:

"Big Ben to the Raiders? I think you need a little more than just a sexual harrassment claim for your steet cred before acceptance here, beyotch."

"So the President just gave an intro to American Idol where he said to the contestants: "You're all my dogs!". 2010 rules sometimes."

"Farmville neighbors - I need 3 eggs, 1 blanket, and 5 bottles. Thank you very much."


Bliss really is unaware...
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby druff » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:07 pm

Yep, those all look familiar, Bruce! I don't even bother posting things anymore. It's just demoralizing.
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby Nordic » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:03 pm

:ohno:

Yup ..... looks familiar.

But I have had a couple of people compliment me on the stuff I post there, which is encouraging. And every now and then one of my contacts who happens to be a bit conservative will comment, so I know they're listening. :)
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Re: Unlearned lessons from the Steven Hatfill case

Postby apologydue » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:49 pm

Bliss really is unaware...



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