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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby stefano » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:14 pm

barracuda wrote:It's a lot more difficult to cogently discuss solutions, particularly if part of the solution must be the tacit ongoing existence of Israel as a nation at all.

No it isn't. Adherence to the UN's resolutions, Geneva conventions, and the law of war more broadly would be a very welcome development, and none of those resolutions or laws calls into question the existence of Israel. This "it's putting them in ghettos or the end of Israel" is a bullshit dichotomy.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby nathan28 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:16 pm

kool maudit wrote:slogans & histrionics.



Fantastic. The "I know you are but what am I" defense. I'm convinced, you clearly have got it all figured out.

You are a whiner. Full stop. If you can make a fucking point, go ahead and do so. If I can slog through essays by Harvard imperialist apologists I'm sure I can read a post on the internet two or ten sentences long and reply accordingly. But you open with dismissal and implicit scorn and then think your eyeball-rolling constitutes proof of your initial point. If you are going to hover above it all with some heavy-handed dismissal, why the fuck are you here? Go start a chemtrails thread at Little Green Footballs or Moonbattery or wherever it is you feel "welcome" to support whatever you mean by "right wing".

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:19 pm

no, you must be reading only the anti-semitic threads Image
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby kool maudit » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:27 pm

now we can move into the hysterical anger and superfluous profanity part of the thread.

nathan28, you are a particularly spectacular/flamboyant version of the archetypical RI moral warrior. felicitations.

jeff's reply was sufficient.

i'm here for the spirals etc. i just think some of y'all are right up your own arses re: politics,
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:15 pm

Right, so stick with the random and novel, stop joining the dots. Feels like i've been kept down in preschool.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:22 pm

I like Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura (and Laura Ingalls Wilder and Mary Poppins actually) and am a Salvador Allende cheering cybernetic libertarian who believes in a National Health Service, health choice and personal responsibility.
I still miss Orlin Grabbe and Michael Corbin... I would like Alex Jones much more if someone filled his mouth with chewing gum. I feel right at home here :)
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:47 pm

I don't think it is "left wing" totally per se. But we are motherfuckers who happen to usually take the exact polar opposite of fascism, control, racism, sexism etc. This place also coolly in many ways, touches on triggering news and society items and fringe shit in a way that also does not belabor any of our senses of skepticism and rationality. However it also does tend to make for "tight squeezes" around every one of us here's egos. It's just a matter of how you play. Personally, I am as left wing as you can get. Lately though, I am seeing some bit of libertarian seeping in. I am simply an idealist. Hopelessly idealistic. Always have been and always will be. I see no way of separating me from my horribly self-defeating sense of justice, hope, happiness etc. So I am stuck with it.

Yet this is what makes ME a "leftist": hatred of hypocrisy, hatred of hate, hatred of violence, hatred of self conscious stupidity, hatred of usury, hatred of rudeness, hatred of tyranny, hatred of bureaucracy, hatred of greed, hatred of hatred of hatred of. It's all hatred. But I think this is all hatred of aspects that any human at some time get sucked into and then swirl around that void for the rest of their lives -- taking all they can down with them. My feelings are continually hurt by just about everything. I even hurt my own feelings. But this is why I like it here. It seems like we don't try to take each other down.

Is it left wing? Not totally per se. However, I do like it here. I like all of our characters and I wish many of the departed would come back.
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False Left-Right Paradigm

Postby MinM » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:54 pm

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Certainly there are some real philosophical differences between the right and left. Over the years though Kurt Nimmo has done a good job of pointing out some of the phony arguments used to define the left-right debate.

Here's his latest piece on along those lines...

FCC Talks Up Sovietization of Media
The Obama commissariat offer big ideas on how to “re-invent” media that is flagging due to the fact the corporatists insist on embracing a dinosaur business model that worked fine in 1950 but has spelled disaster and bankruptcy in 2010. Government is also worried about the fact millions of people are tuning out of the corporate media wavelength in favor of a dynamic medium on the internet where corporate domination — and government propaganda — is nearly impossible.

Fox News has covered the FCC plan, but has unfortunately injected the same old stale left-vs-right nonsense. Dan Gainor, writing for the Murdoch empire, says “a coalition of hard-left groups, some respected journalists like The Washington Post’s Vice President Len Downie, and a horde of Big Government types are looking for a bailout as well as funding for a new, openly left-wing replacement.”

It has nothing to with wings on the left or right. It has to do with the establishment regaining control and re-establishing a monopoly on information (or rather propaganda) and in the process crowding out the competition. It should not be a surprise the Washington Post is involved in the Obama administration effort — the Post, after all, was (and is) the crown jewel in the CIA’s long-running Operation Mockingbird effort to control media.

Fox also falls into the trap of cosigning the globalist George Soros to the left side of the supposed political spectrum. “The advocates include groups like the George Soros-funded Free Press, co-founded by Robert McChesney, a strident lefty. McChesney, who once edited what his own website calls an ‘independent socialist magazine,’ now wants to socialize American news media,” writes Gainor.

Neocons like David Horowitz like to pretend Soros and his fellows are some kind of latter day Marxists. But what these guys miss — intentionally or otherwise — is that Marxism is a contrivance of the global elite. It is a near-perfect control mechanism, as Gary Allen noted way back in 1971. “If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of superrich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite,” Allen wrote.

Incidentally, Horowitz (who is no stranger to Fox News) and the neocons are also controlled by the establishment and the CIA. David Horowitz’s operation has taken moolah from one Richard Scaife, the “philanthropic” gazillionaire who worked with the CIA — Scaife’s Forum World Features, a foreign news service, was a CIA front that disseminated propaganda around the world.

Scaife and Soros are birds of a feather. Both service the elite. The CIA, after all, was created by Wall Street lawyers.

Mr. Gainor says everything Obama is about taxes and socialism. The FCC report, Gainor writes, “listed a host of other possible solutions for the problems that impact journalism – everything but the free market. That concept is foreign to the same administration that seized control of Wall Street, the auto industry and our health care system.”

First and foremost, we have not had a “free market” (as in laissez-faire capitalism) for more than a century — not since the monopoly men and the international bankers hijacked it in the 19th century. The free market circa 2010 is shorthand for globalism dominated by corporatists and banksters. The final death blow to any remnant of a free market occurred in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created at the behest of J.P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

Second, it is seriously absurd that Mr. Gainor would say Obama has taken over Wall Street. Au contraire. Wall Street created the Obama administration from the ground up. It is packed like a sardine can with Goldman Sachs, World Bank, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, and Federal Reserve operatives like Larry Summers, little Timmy Geithner, Paul Volcker, Richard Haass, and Richard Holbrooke, to name but five.

Gainor mentions a story covered by Infowars.com yesterday, although he safely attributes it to The Hill — an effort by a “liberal” coalition to shut down talk radio and alternative media on the internet. “The coalition, which includes a variety of lefty groups such as Common Cause and La Raza, wants the FCC to shut down speech it doesn’t like on cable and talk radio – in other words, Fox and conservative stations,” he writes.

If “conservatives” think the FCC and the foundation “left” will manage to shut down Fox News, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell them. Indeed, smaller, more rambunctious talk radio outfits not owned by the establishment — the way Fox is owned — may indeed face extinction if the FCC and its gaggle of academic “Marxists” have their way (in other words, if the monopoly men control freaks have their way), but Fox News is not going anywhere. It is too important. It keeps the false right-left paradigm alive and feeds the beast.

Likewise neocon bloggers exemplified by Michelle Malkin, who has on occasion served as a Fox News darling. They may be obliged to be “fair and balanced” and offer countervailing arguments scripted by the “lefty” globalist foundations, but they ain’t going anywhere because they are not dangerous to the establishment. Neocons feed the beast, too.

About my use of the word “Sovietization.” At first glance this may seem like a contradiction, but in fact the entire Soviet operation was created by Wall Street bankers, as Antony Sutton has exhaustively documented. It was a masterful control mechanism.

Dan Gainor and Fox News (and especially Glenn Beck) need to ditch the socialism mantra. Obama is not a socialist. He is a well trained and narcissistic teleprompter reader who works for international bankers. Harping on a stale college book definition of socialism does nothing but invigorate and keep alive the parlor trick the elite have used now for more than a hundred years to keep the manufactured left versus right paradigm operational.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby operator kos » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:44 pm

It's not a lefty board per se, it's just that right-wingers mostly lack the chops to post here.

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:42 pm

operator kos wrote:It's not a lefty board per se, it's just that right-wingers mostly lack the chops to post here.

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Percival » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:14 am

It may not be for the left only but it seems, lately at least, if you express anything center or right center you will likely get piled on, name called, personally attacked and shouted down. I am not sure that means the left has more chops around here or that they simply can shout louder and are more willing to resort to ad hom, name calling and personally attacking.

Personally I dont think expressing concern for the problem Israel faces in dealing with the threat of extermination by Hamas is a right wing viewpoint, since IMO those who show support for the view of Hamas would have as their company, the KKK, fascists of any variety, white supremacists and various other antisemitic types, which is not even remotely left wing but about as far right of center as one can venture.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and how you spin it.

I have never in my life had anyone associate me or my views with the right, in fact most people refer to me as radically left and of the smelly hippy variety. :shrug:
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:52 am

Percival wrote:It may not be for the left only but it seems, lately at least, if you express anything center or right center you will likely get piled on, name called, personally attacked and shouted down. I am not sure that means the left has more chops around here or that they simply can shout louder and are more willing to resort to ad hom, name calling and personally attacking.

Personally I dont think expressing concern for the problem Israel faces in dealing with the threat of extermination by Hamas is a right wing viewpoint, since IMO those who show support for the view of Hamas would have as their company, the KKK, fascists of any variety, white supremacists and various other antisemitic types, which is not even remotely left wing but about as far right of center as one can venture.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and how you spin it.

I have never in my life had anyone associate me or my views with the right, in fact most people refer to me as radically left and of the smelly hippy variety. :shrug:


Hamas is made up of Palestinians, i.e. by ancestry, semitic Jews of Palestine who converted to Islam. Even Israeli race-science admits this.

So to say that Hamas is anti-semitic is nonsense. Just as claiming that Jews belong to a distinct and separate race is nonsense.

To Hamas, "Jewish", as c2w rightly says, is a religious designation. Only among Zionists is Jewish a racial designation.

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Percival » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:10 am

vanlose kid wrote:
Percival wrote:It may not be for the left only but it seems, lately at least, if you express anything center or right center you will likely get piled on, name called, personally attacked and shouted down. I am not sure that means the left has more chops around here or that they simply can shout louder and are more willing to resort to ad hom, name calling and personally attacking.

Personally I dont think expressing concern for the problem Israel faces in dealing with the threat of extermination by Hamas is a right wing viewpoint, since IMO those who show support for the view of Hamas would have as their company, the KKK, fascists of any variety, white supremacists and various other antisemitic types, which is not even remotely left wing but about as far right of center as one can venture.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and how you spin it.

I have never in my life had anyone associate me or my views with the right, in fact most people refer to me as radically left and of the smelly hippy variety. :shrug:


Hamas is made up of Palestinians, i.e. by ancestry, semitic Jews of Palestine who converted to Islam. Even Israeli race-science admits this.

So to say that Hamas is anti-semitic is nonsense. Just as claiming that Jews belong to a distinct and separate race is nonsense.

To Hamas, "Jewish", as c2w rightly says, is a religious designation. Only among Zionists is Jewish a racial designation.

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Ok I can agree with that, I myself consider it a religious designation but I am Jewish and more of a Buddhist than anything else so how does that wash in your opinion. I am not a Jew anymore because I dont practice Judaism?
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:19 am

Percival wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
Percival wrote:It may not be for the left only but it seems, lately at least, if you express anything center or right center you will likely get piled on, name called, personally attacked and shouted down. I am not sure that means the left has more chops around here or that they simply can shout louder and are more willing to resort to ad hom, name calling and personally attacking.

Personally I dont think expressing concern for the problem Israel faces in dealing with the threat of extermination by Hamas is a right wing viewpoint, since IMO those who show support for the view of Hamas would have as their company, the KKK, fascists of any variety, white supremacists and various other antisemitic types, which is not even remotely left wing but about as far right of center as one can venture.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and how you spin it.

I have never in my life had anyone associate me or my views with the right, in fact most people refer to me as radically left and of the smelly hippy variety. :shrug:


Hamas is made up of Palestinians, i.e. by ancestry, semitic Jews of Palestine who converted to Islam. Even Israeli race-science admits this.

So to say that Hamas is anti-semitic is nonsense. Just as claiming that Jews belong to a distinct and separate race is nonsense.

To Hamas, "Jewish", as c2w rightly says, is a religious designation. Only among Zionists is Jewish a racial designation.

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Ok I can agree with that, I myself consider it a religious designation but I am Jewish and more of a Buddhist than anything else so how does that wash in your opinion. I am not a Jew anymore because I dont practice Judaism?


Ah, that's the fun part, eh?

Because, depending on how you want to make the distinction you could be either or both.

See, you, non-practicing as you are, probably consider yourself racially Jewish, but then what "distinguishes" you racially as a Jew: your genes, are no different from those of your alleged "Hamas 'I will exterminate them all' informant". So, even though he's a practicing Muslim, he's Jewish, right?

Then again, if Jew is a religious designation then neither you nor he are Jews. Right?

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Percival » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:23 am

vanlose kid wrote:
Percival wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
Percival wrote:It may not be for the left only but it seems, lately at least, if you express anything center or right center you will likely get piled on, name called, personally attacked and shouted down. I am not sure that means the left has more chops around here or that they simply can shout louder and are more willing to resort to ad hom, name calling and personally attacking.

Personally I dont think expressing concern for the problem Israel faces in dealing with the threat of extermination by Hamas is a right wing viewpoint, since IMO those who show support for the view of Hamas would have as their company, the KKK, fascists of any variety, white supremacists and various other antisemitic types, which is not even remotely left wing but about as far right of center as one can venture.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and how you spin it.

I have never in my life had anyone associate me or my views with the right, in fact most people refer to me as radically left and of the smelly hippy variety. :shrug:


Hamas is made up of Palestinians, i.e. by ancestry, semitic Jews of Palestine who converted to Islam. Even Israeli race-science admits this.

So to say that Hamas is anti-semitic is nonsense. Just as claiming that Jews belong to a distinct and separate race is nonsense.

To Hamas, "Jewish", as c2w rightly says, is a religious designation. Only among Zionists is Jewish a racial designation.

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Ok I can agree with that, I myself consider it a religious designation but I am Jewish and more of a Buddhist than anything else so how does that wash in your opinion. I am not a Jew anymore because I dont practice Judaism?


Ah, that's the fun part, eh?

Because, depending on how you want to make the distinction you could be either or both.

See, you, non-practicing as you are, probably consider yourself racially Jewish, but then what "distinguishes" you racially as a Jew: your genes, are no different from those of your alleged "Hamas 'I will exterminate them all' informant". So, even though he's a practicing Muslim, he's Jewish, right?

Then again, if Jew is a religious designation then neither you nor he are Jews. Right?

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To be completely honest with you I have never once considered it on racial terms for myself personally although the issue has come up in conversation that I am Jewish because my mother is Jewish, however, for me I simply consider myself culturally Jewish, that is to say that I enjoy and recognize all the trappings of Jewish culture, I love Jewish food and folk music, Jewish folk art etc and things of that nature but I dont practice the religion much anymore per se.

Yes, it is indeed tricky.

For the record I do personally recognize and accept the Palestinian people as my own and I have no problem with them at all, I am saddened that there is so much hate between us and our brothers in the Gaza, it is a hate that has passed from generation to generation and I wish there was a way to put an end to it BUT please understand that one of the reasons for this is continued threats against Jews by organizations like Hamas, who have vowed no peace until every Jew is removed from the land.
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