Egyptian papyrus found in ancient Irish bog

[TheDuke]

http://www.physorg.com/news202991457.html

The papyrus in the lining of the Egyptian-style leather cover of the 1,200-year-old manuscript, "potentially represents the first tangible connection between early Irish Christianity and the Middle Eastern Coptic Church", the Museum said.

"It is a finding that asks many questions and has confounded some of the accepted theories about the history of early Christianity in Ireland."

Raghnall O Floinn, head of collections at the Museum, said the manuscript, now known as the "Faddan More Psalter", was one of the top ten archaeological discoveries in Ireland.

It was uncovered four years ago by a man using a mechanical digger to harvest peat near Birr in County Tipperary, but analysis has only just been completed.

O Floinn told AFP the illuminated vellum manuscript encased in the leather binding dated from the eighth century but it was not known when or why it ended up in the bog where it was preserved by the chemicals in the peat.

"It appears the manuscript's leather binding came from Egypt. The question is whether the papyrus came with the cover or if it was added.

"It is possible that the imperfections in the hide may allow us to confirm the leather is Egyptian.

"We are trying to track down if there somebody who can tell us if this is possible. That is the next step."

O Floinn said the psalter is about the size of a tabloid newspaper and about 15 percent of the pages of the psalms, which are written in Latin, had survived.

The experts believe the manuscript of the psalms was produced in an Irish monastery and it was later put in the leather cover.

"The cover could have had several lives before it ended up basically as a folder for the manuscript in the bog," O Floinn said.

"It could have travelled from a library somewhere in Egypt to the Holy Land or to Constantinople or Rome and then to Ireland."

The National Museum in Dublin plans to put the psalter on public display for the first time next year.

(c) 2010 AFP

This is interesting to me as it may tie into an alternative theory of how Christianity was introduced to Ireland.

That possibly:

* Irish Christianity was introduced by Coptic missionaries from North Africa
* This is why Pope Adrian gave his blessing for the English invasion in the 12th(?) century
* The myth of St Patrick and his casting out snakes from Ireland serves 2 purposes
- (1) To invent a history for the Catholic Church in Ireland
- (2) And to narkily hide a little insult within the story (the snakes being the Copts)

Various interesting sources: Conor MacDari, RAWilson and probably most shcolarly and intuitive - Robert Quinn:

http://www.amazon.com/Atlantean-Ireland ... 0704325241

[tron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

Scota, in Irish mythology, Scottish mythology, and pseudohistory, is the name given to two different mythological daughters of two different Egyptian Pharaohs to whom the Gaels traced their ancestry, allegedly explaining the name Scoti, applied by the Romans to Irish raiders, and later to the Irish invaders of Argyll and Caledonia which became known as Scotland.

The Scota who was allegedly the wife of Mil is named as the daughter to a pharaoh named 'Nectanebus' (a name which might be meant to identify either Nectanebo I or Nectanebo II), and in this myth it was the sons of Mil and Scota that settled in Ireland.

According to the early Irish chronicle Lebor Gabála Érenn the other Scota was the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Cingris, a name found only in Irish legend. She married Niul, son of Fenius Farsaid, a Babylonian who traveled to Scythia after the collapse of the Tower of Babel. Niul was a scholar of languages, and was invited by the pharaoh to Egypt and given Scota's hand in marriage. They had a son, Goídel Glas, the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels, who created the Gaelic language by combining the best features of the 72 languages then in existence.

Goídel (or his son Sru) was expelled from Egypt shortly after the Exodus of the Israelites by a pharaoh whom 17th century Irish chronicler Geoffrey Keating names Intuir. After much travelling his descendants settled in Iberia, where Míl Espáine was born, and it was the sons of Míl, Eber Finn and Eremon, who established the Gaelic presence in Ireland.

According to Seumas MacManus in his book The Story of the Irish Race, Scota married Niul, but he was the grandson of Gaodhal Glas. Then another Scota, who was coincidentally also a daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh, married Miled (or Milesius). This second Scota left Iberia with her eight sons and their families, after Miled died, and headed for Ireland. Many of the sons died en route, due to a storm, and Queen Scota died during the battle between the Milesians and the Tuatha Dé Danann.

South of Tralee town, in Ireland, in a valley is an area known as Glenn Scoithin, "Vale of the little flower", more normally known as Foley's Glen, reputedly the grave of Scota.
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[Col. Quisp]

This connects Scottish Masonry to Egypt. Aha!

[anothershamus]

This connects Scottish Masonry to Egypt. Aha!

I had heard somewhere that the daughter of Nefertiti or Cleopatra was buried in Ireland. I can't find a link but there is a thread that goes way back that connects the two places.

[seemslikeadream]

I believe I am Celt by way of Egypt

[seemslikeadream]

This connects Scottish Masonry to Egypt. Aha!

I had heard somewhere that the daughter of Nefertiti or Cleopatra was buried in Ireland. I can't find a link but there is a thread that goes way back that connects the two places.

Mohamed Al-Fayed - President of Scotland?
If Scotland did leave the United Kingdom, then Al-Fayed said that he plans to buy Balmoral Castle and turn it into a museum. But, for now, it is now the businessmans intention to erect a statue in honour of Scota, an Egyptian princess who is said to have founded Scotland some 3,600 years ago.
Al-Fayed said, “You Scots are originally Egyptians. Like Scota, I travelled north and I found the Balnagown estate. I will erect a statue of her to honour the links between Scotland and Egypt.”
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[Wilbur Whatley]

Ha. All balderash. The Scots are not Egyptians. They are Jews!

I'm fully half-Scottish. My Scottish ancestors came to North America in the early 1600s. An uncle of mine compiled an elaborate geneology of the family, tracing us back to Adam!

How did he bridge the gap? He believed, and had all kinds of evidence (supposedly), that the Scots are the Hebrew Lost Tribe of Benjamin.

That's worth at LEAST as much as the speculation here based on just one old book discovered in a bog.

[norton ash]

Sure, why not. But did those feet in ancient times walk upon England's mountains green?

[TheDuke]

Ha. All balderash. The Scots are not Egyptians. They are Jews!

I'm fully half-Scottish. My Scottish ancestors came to North America in the early 1600s. An uncle of mine compiled an elaborate geneology of the family, tracing us back to Adam!

How did he bridge the gap? He believed, and had all kinds of evidence (supposedly), that the Scots are the Hebrew Lost Tribe of Benjamin.

That's worth at LEAST as much as the speculation here based on just one old book discovered in a bog.

As I suggested there are other sources to look at in particular the book Atlantean that I mentioned previously. There are some very clear musical, linguistic and genetic links between the west coast of Ireland and North Africa.

I've even heard it suggested that the "Celt" is a construct which no longer serves the purpose of it's creation.

Anyway, I LOVE Lost Tribe mythologies:

"On his first overseas trip Ratana had returned via Japan, visiting a Japanese Christian bishop. Relations with the Japanese had been very good; it was the highlight of the trip. Ratana thought that both Maori and Japanese were among the lost tribes of Israel. A marriage between two of his party took place in Japan, the ceremony presided over by a Japanese bishop" (Ballara).

http://www.dhushara.com/book/tane/mproph.htm

I remember reading about some Maori's latching onto the Lost Tribe stuff when I was a kid. Of course there are Burmese Jews too aren't there?

[seemslikeadream]

As I suggested there are other sources to look at in particular the book Atlantean that I mentioned previously. There are some very clear musical, linguistic and genetic links between the west coast of Ireland and North Africa.

[seemslikeadream]

APRIL 22, 2012
Rare Egyptian scrolls found in Australian collection
Taylor said there was "still a lot of material out there that people haven't seen"
File picture shows a papyrus with hieroglyphs (R) and hieratic script (L) from the Library of Alexandria. A British historian said Saturday he had unearthed a trove of Egyptian Book of the Dead fragments by a top ancient official after chancing upon a scrap on show in an Australian museum.
A British historian said Saturday he had unearthed a trove of Egyptian Book of the Dead fragments by a top ancient official after chancing upon a scrap on show in an Australian museum.


John Taylor, a world-famous Egyptologist from the British Museum, said his discovery began with a shred of papyrus on display at Queensland Museum's new mummies exhibition bearing the distinctive hieroglyphs of Amenhotep.

The 15th century BC figure, son of Hapu, was Egypt's chief architect and is among those credited with designing and constructing the Great Temple of Amun at Karnak, near Luxor -- one of modern Egypt's most visited landmarks.

Excited and intrigued, Taylor said he asked if there were any more such fragments in the museum's archives and was shown into the conservation lab.

"After a very short period of time it became apparent that we did indeed have many fragments of the Book of the Dead of this extremely important man," he told The Weekend Australian newspaper.

"This is not the papyrus of just anybody, this is one of the top officials in Egypt at the peak of Egyptian prosperity," added Taylor, describing it as a "once in a lifetime" find.

The fragments were donated to the museum by a private citizen in 1913 and are not normally on public display, but had been brought out to accompany the British Museum's touring mummies exhibition, which Taylor was here to open.

He said there were pieces of Amenhotep's scroll scattered across global institutions including the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, British Museum and New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The Australian specimens would be photographed to try and determine where they fit in the scroll, which Taylor said could be up to 20 metres long -- among the largest and most significant Egyptian burial scripts recorded.

"In Egypt in the 1890s people were collecting and digging up antiquities at a very fast rate and often it wasn't documented where these things were going," he said.

"Private individuals would go on holidays to Egypt and buy things like this and take them home, so there's still a lot of material out there that people haven't seen."
https://phys.org/news/2012-04-rare-egyp ... alian.html