The Wikileaks Question

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I think the shovels thing really is a reference to Robert Scheer's book, which would suggest Kathleen Parker is being knowingly stupid, and is a member of the new Trolling Right - a bit like Liz Jones in the Daily Mail. She's on a wind-up mission here. Has to be.

VERY late one autumn night in 1981, Thomas K. Jones, the man Ronald Reagan had appointed Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering, Strategic and Theater Nuclear Forces, told me that the United States could fully recover from an all-out nuclear war with the Soviet Union in just two to four years. T.K., as he prefers to be known, added that nuclear war was not nearly as devastating as we had been led to believe. He said, "If there are enough shovels to go around, everybody's going to make it." The shovels were for digging holes in the ground, which would be covered somehow or other with a couple of doors and with three feet of dirt thrown on top, thereby providing adequate fallout shelters for the millions who had been evacuated from America's cities to the countryside. "It's the dirt that does it," he said.
http://www3.niu.edu/~td0raf1/history261/nov2616.htm

[JackRiddler]

a member of the new Trolling Right

Don't let her looks deceive you.

Orlando Sentinel, Apr 17, 2002

Idiotic, absurd comments about 9-11

By Kathleen Parker

Every time I hear of another Palestinian "suicide bomber," I think: Darwin Awards. You know, the evolutionary awards bestowed each year on those who purify the gene pool by removing themselves from it. Darwin winners are, in the words of awards manager Wendy Northcutt, "too stupid to live."
Likewise, every time I hear Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., speak, I think: There ought to be an award. We could call it The McKinney Award -- for people "too stupid to serve in public office."
For McKinney is hands-down winner for stupidest thing ever said while in public office for her recent assertion that President George W. Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and did nothing to prevent them. Why? So that all his cronies could get rich on the subsequent military buildup. (Audience, all together now: Ah-haaaa!!!)
"We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th," said McKinney during a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station. "What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?"
Not only is McKinney's comment idiotic, absurd and -- under other circumstances, hilarious, if you like slapstick -- it's dangerous. Would that we could ignore such ignoramuses, but we can't because "they" won't. "They" being terrorists, Islamic extremists, or others on the growing list of crazy people who can't get to those 72 virgins supposedly waiting for them in heaven fast enough. (I'm still confused about what compels young women to blow themselves up. Maybe they promise the ladies an eternity free of Arafat's decaying visage. One could be tempted.)
You have to wonder, is McKinney really that, um, misguided?

ETC. ETC.

Here's the real deal: McKinney is a dangerous fool whose voice needs to be stifled. Not forcefully, of course. But couldn't we get this woman a job at Wal-Mart, greeting the public she so desperately courts? Wishfully thinking, couldn't we just impeach her?
I realize you can't impeach a public official for dragging down the national I.Q., but you can impeach for treason. Once McKinney's hysterical rant is translated into Arabic* for a vulnerable, gullible and homicidal public, she's on their team, not ours. As Sen. Zell Miller, another Georgia Democrat, has noted, her statement is "very dangerous and irresponsible."
At the very least, oh, lovely, smart people of Georgia, vote this bad actress out of business. Do it for your country. Do it soon.

http://911truth.org/osamas/mckinney.html#parker

* Cos none of them can read it in English, right?

[MacCruiskeen]

Here's the real deal: McKinney is a dangerous fool whose voice needs to be stifled. Not forcefully, of course. But couldn't we get this woman a job at Wal-Mart, greeting the public she so desperately courts? Wishfully thinking, couldn't we just impeach her?
I realize you can't impeach a public official for dragging down the national I.Q., but you can impeach for treason. Once McKinney's hysterical rant is translated into Arabic* for a vulnerable, gullible and homicidal public, she's on their team, not ours. As Sen. Zell Miller, another Georgia Democrat, has noted, her statement is "very dangerous and irresponsible."
At the very least, oh, lovely, smart people of Georgia, vote this bad actress out of business. Do it for your country. Do it soon.

http://911truth.org/osamas/mckinney.html#parker

* Cos none of them can read it in English, right?

Heh. "Dragging down the national I.Q." is also telling.

China's students are kicking our kids' tushies around the schoolyard. From reading to math, they're so far ahead we inhale their dust.

That is to say, the world sees weakness.

You could translate that into German and sell it as a quote from Goebbels.

[JackRiddler]

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MacC, minor point, back in 2002 Parker's undisguised racist squealing (she'd object, but her schtick is to affect not having a clue what she sounds like) was coming out of Atlanta, whatever their paper is called. They came down hard on McKinney and a million out-of-district bucks arrived and unseated her the first time (reelected in 2004, then ousted again in 2006 after a Capitol guard grabbing her as an intruder to the Congress was turned into her assaulting him -- trial by media).

Very true about that quote. Disgusting.

Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977406

11 December 2010 Last updated at 18:01 ET
Wikileaks protests in Spain over Julian Assange arrest


The crowd outside the British embassy in Madrid wore Julian Assange masks as they called for his release


Protests have taken place across Spain calling for the release of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is facing extradition from the UK to Sweden for alleged sexual offences.

Hundreds of people gathered outside the British embassy in Madrid calling for him to be freed.

Wikileaks is publishing insights from hundreds of thousands of sensitive US diplomatic and military documents.

The demonstrators believe Mr Assange's detention is politically motivated.

The whistle-blowing website has angered and embarrassed governments around the world through its publication in recent weeks of classified US diplomatic cables.
Sensitive issue

While supporters have mounted cyber-protests, Saturday's protests were some of the first street demonstrations in support of Wikileaks.

Wearing Julian Assange face masks, the crowd in Madrid shouted for his freedom, outside the vast glass tower that houses the British embassy, says the BBC's Sarah Rainsford in Madrid.

Many of the demonstrators were angry at some of the revelations in the cables, our correspondent says.

These include the suggestion Spain came under pressure to stop a criminal investigation into the killing of Jose Couso, a Spanish cameraman who died when American soldiers fired a tank round into his hotel in Baghdad.

The Free Wikileaks website, which organised the demonstrations, said protests were also planned for other Spanish cities, including Barcelona, Valencia and Seville.

It called for the restoration of Wikileaks' internet domain, which was cut off by Amazon after it began publishing the diplomatic cables two weeks ago.

And it demanded that Visa and MasterCard restore credit card services because, it said, no one had proven Mr Assange's guilt.

Our correspondent says the issue of freedom of speech is sensitive for Spaniards, who only emerged from four decades of authoritarian rule in the 1970s.

So, what, Americans gotta have a Franco before they can figure this out for themselves?

[JackRiddler]

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In the following list, two of these things are not like the others. Two of these things are not the same:

AlterNet / By Tana Ganeva
6 Companies That Haven't Wussed Out of Working with WikiLeaks
As more and more companies bend under government pressure, a few are standing up for the site.
December 10, 2010 |

Giants like PayPal, Amazon.com, Visa and MasterCard almost instantly crumbled under government (and p.r.) pressure to drop WikiLeaks, depriving the site of vital funding sources and online platforms. But other companies, some of them small, independent start-ups, have decided to risk the wrath of Joe Lieberman, the State Department, and their European counterparts and help keep WikiLeaks afloat by providing funding sources (yeah, you can now donate to WikiLeaks even if you only have Visa or MasterCard.) and hosting the site. Here's a list of companies that have stood by WikiLeaks:

1. Xipwire:

The Philly online payment company has announced that unlike PayPal they welcome customer donations to WikiLeaks. According to their site, they're even waiving fees and charges so that 100% of the money goes to the whistleblower site. "While people may or may not agree with WikiLeaks, we at XIPWIRE believe that anyone who wishes to support the organization through a donation should be able to do so," they say on their site. While the publicity advantages are obvious, there's also the threat of backlash. One of the founders told the tech blog BaltTech, "We're fully aware that not everyone likes what Wikileaks is. But we are prepared to accept the consequences."

(For the moment the money goes to an escrow account because they haven't been able to reach WikiLeaks.)

2. Flattr

Flattr, which was started by one of the founders of Pirate Bay, has also been funneling money to WikiLeaks. The site lets users put money into accounts; when they run into a website they want to support, they can click on their "flattr" button to donate money to site. According to TechCrunch, WikILeaks has used Flattr since August and received over 3,000 Flattr donations when they released the Afghanistan war diary.

3. Datacell

The Icelandic company processes debit and credit card donations to WikiLeaks, so Visa and Mastercards' recent decision to cut all donations to the site has not done great things for their business.

In a statement published on their site, CEO Andreas Fink slammed Visa for letting political considerations get in the way of customer service: "The suspension of payments towards Wikileaks is a violation of the agreements with their customers. Visa users have explicitly expressed their will to send their donations to Wikileaks and Visa is not fulfilling this wish."

Founder Ólafur Sigurvinsson pointed out in an interview with an Icelandic news channel, "I've got confirmed today that I am capable of supporting Al-Qaeda, Ku Klux Klan, buy weapons, drugs and all sorts of pornopraphy with a VISA card. But that's not being investigated. Instead I can not support a humanitarian organisation fighting for the freedom of speech."

4. OVH

WikiLeaks moved to the French data server OVH after getting kicked off Amazon. This did not sit well with French Industry Minister Eric Besson, who demanded that the site be purged from all French servers. Rather than instantly boot WikiLeaks offline, the company asked the courts to clarify Besson's order. Earlier this week a judge ruled that the French government had to actually prove that WikiLeaks broke the law, instead of just saying so and then trying to intimidate private companies. A company spokesperson said, "OVH is neither for nor against this site. Now that it’s with us, we will fulfill the contract. That’s our job.”

5. Twitter

WikiLeaks relies on Twitter to communicate, and their account seems to be safe for now. The micro-blogging site has been accused of blocking #WikiLeaks and #Cablegate from the trending topics though, a claim they dispute.

6. Facebook

Facebook recently released a statement saying that they have no plans to delete the WikiLeaks account, which has 1,187,990 fans.


Tana Ganeva is an AlterNet editor. Follow her on Twitter. You can email her at tanaalternet@gmail.com.

Did you spot the two things, kids? Hint: Mentioning both in every piece of writing on the Internet is now required.

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[JackRiddler]

Im Pausenhof treten die Lehrzoeglinge aus dem Fernen Osten unseren voelkischen Heranwachsenden mit den Fuessen im Arsch. Vom Buecherlesen bis Rechnen, sind die Gelben uns so weit voraus, dass wir nur noch Ihr Staub essen! Mit anderen Woertern, die Welt sieht uns als Schwaechlinge an.

Bisschen frei adaptiert. (Sorry about no umlauts.)

EDIT: There we go. Just sent the above to her e-mail at WP. Subject line: "Dear Ms Parker: Fan mail from Germany."

[barracuda]

Dude, I don't read Swedish.

[JackRiddler]

Dude, I don't read Swedish.

That's all right. Neither do I.

http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Re ... linge%20an.

[barracuda]

Here's what I got from Translate:

"In the schoolyard Lehrzoeglinge connect from the Far East, our ethnic adolescents with your feet on the ground. Convert From Buecherlesen up, the yellow us so far ahead that we only eat your dust! With other words, the world looks at us as weaklings."

That should make an impression.

[JackRiddler]

Funny, no? Let's just say it makes more sense in German. With a little luck, she won't know German and asks someone in the office who secretly hates her guts to translate it for her.

This sort of thing really ought not to be done sober, though. Would have preferred to be getting sloshed with MacC while doing it. You might be a fun fellow tippler to hang out with yourself.

[JackRiddler]

Hmmm, two dispatches from the "cyber war" posted by matrixdutch and justdrew on the images thread...



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[8bitagent]

Folks, is it me or is History Commons.org way more "ballsier" and on the vanguard of revelations than wikileaks?

IF ONLY the media made a big hoopla about History Commons. To me this is probably the biggest smoking gun of 9/11:
http://www.historycommons.org/news.jsp? ... 393703-423

Has that foppish assange or wikileaks release one single mention on 9/11 related matters? I think the closest was some bit on Saudi individuals being Sunni terrorists biggest financiers

[Montag]

Has that foppish assange or wikileaks release one single mention on 9/11 related matters? I think the closest was some bit on Saudi individuals being Sunni terrorists biggest financiers

Foppish, lol, that was not in my lexicon. He's certainly a dandified one... Did you see what Pravda posted on the magnetic vortex? Perhaps that's the sort thing that the PTB fears that is waiting in the insurance file.

You're on the wrong thread btw, 8bit you should meander over to the Questioning one.

[Montag]

Not sure what thread this belongs in.

What's in the WikiLeaks Insurance File
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compos ... suran.html

Now that Julian Assange has been arrested, everyone is concerned that they are about to leak the WikiLeaks Insurance File, a "poison pill" document cache that allegedly contains all kinds of damning revelations about everything from the government to major corporations and that can be unleashed if WikiLeaks is in danger of shutdown.

Here's what I assume will be inside:

* What Bill Murray whispers at the end of "Lost in Translation."

* Confirmation that they faked the moon landing, including outtakes from staging of the moon landing with crew visible in background, six takes in which Neil Armstrong keeps saying "One small step for mankind, one giant -- wait, no. One giant leap for man -- sorry. One giant step for leap man -- I'm sorry, I really thought I had it that time," and one shot where you can see the director's son eating a sandwich.

* A full explanation of the plot of Inception that includes whether or not he's dreaming at the end.

* Tell-all account of JFK assassination written by Grassy Knoll itself.

* A really, really offensive joke once told by Mother Teresa.

* Identity of Kaiser Soze

* Coca Cola secret ingredient: dingo blood.

* Non-conclusive evidence that Mel Gibson is a futuristic robot sent back in time to stop an asteroid from hitting Earth, but whose creator accidentally left his Generator of Phrases It Is Acceptable To Say on the 1835 default settings.

* Proof that the government is being run by the Masons, using evidence from building designs, dollar bill imagery, and something Joe Biden said once when his mic was turned off.

* A DVD of "National Treasure."

* Proof that Paul is Dead.

* Original version of Gettysburg Address, which is excessively long and makes a lot of steamboat jokes that don't really land.

* Proof that wars in Afghanistan, Iraq are actually going really well and civilians love us there!

* Synched version of Dark Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz.

* President Obama's birth certificate, which indicates that he was not only not born in the U.S., but that he was "made in Area 51 by top men."

* Guide to all the secret phalluses embedded in Disney animated films.

* Documentation that Piers Morgan and Tony Hayward are in fact the same person

* Location of Elvis, which everyone's been keeping secret because, well, it's just sad, really, what's happened to the man.

* Location of Osama bin Laden, which turns out to be that one bathroom stall at the far end of the women's room where no one goes in or comes out but you know someone's there because you can see the feet.

* Victoria's Secret

[barracuda]

8bit, allow me to take a moment to point out to you the difference between activism and typing shit on the internet. The History Commons, while offering researchers a valuable service, is not, at the moment, creating a situation in which the government is caused by their revelations to react in any manner which makes the government publicly look bad, or really, to react in any way at all. What the History Commons does is in no way, shape, or form comparable to the CableGate release. WikiLeaks recent releases have actually created a significant political effect in the world, while Derek Mitchell and his staff essentially collate a searchable history book.

And frankly, no matter how you personally react to the demeanor and grooming of Julian Assange, he is at present being held in Wandsworth prison by the authority of the British Crown on charges of having unprotected sex with two apparently very attractive women. His detention in solitary confinement at a high security lockdown under constant surveillance is paced at the moment by the activities of the Americans, the world's most violent and unforgiving empire, preparing espionage charges against him in hopes of extradition and, presumably, interrogation and imprisonment.

If you'd care to detail exactly why you think the History Commons latest postings are so ballsy and smoking-gunnish, please do so on another, 911 related, thread.