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Iran accuses CIA, Mossad of nuke scientist killing
Iranian leaders accused the US and Israeli intelligence services, the CIA and Mossad, of killing the two who were also professors at Tehran's prestigious Shahid Beheshti University.
"One can undoubtedly see the hands of Israel and Western governments in the assassination which unfortunately took place," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a news conference.
Ahmadinejad's office said in an earlier statement that "the Zionist regime this time shed the blood of university professor Dr. Majid Shahriari to curb Iran's progress."
Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said the "Mossad and the CIA are the enemies of Iranians" whose "desperate terrorist act against the two academics shows their weakness and inferiority."
Israel's foreign ministry declined to comment on the reports. Shahriari was "in charge of one of the great projects" at Iran's Atomic Energy Agency, the Islamic republic's nuclear chief, Ali Akbar Salehi was quoted as saying by state news agency IRNA.
He was also a member of the so-called SESAME project on nuclear cooperation in the Middle East.
The other scientist, Abbasi Davani, was targeted by UN Security Council sanctions under Resolution 1747 adopted in March 2007. He was identified as a senior defence ministry and armed forces logistics scientist.
Iran makes arrests over nuclear scientist killing
AFP/Fars News Agency
– Thu Dec 2, 2:47 pm ET
TEHRAN (AFP) – Iran said on Thursday it has arrested "some elements" working with Western spy agencies and connected to the murder of a senior nuclear scientist, amid claims Tehran's scientists were the targets of "terrorists."
"The three spy agencies of Mossad, CIA and MI6 had a role in the (attacks) and, with the arrest of these people, we will find new clues to arrest other elements," Intelligence Minister Heydar Moslehi was quoted as saying on state television's website.
Moslehi did not say how many people were arrested or what specifically they are accused of. He only said they were a part of a "major group" that took part in the killing and that planned to carry out "widespread missions."
From what I know of the Holocaust era, I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone would be able to pinpoint a specific picture that showed their grandfather about to be shot by the SS. So it seems likely to me that Dagan is using the photo as an archetypal Jewish morality lesson: “You see, this is what we are as a people. This is what we must ensure never happens again.” But the fact that Dagan is likely making a fraudulent personal claim in order to dramatize the lesson is instructive: after all he is Mossad chief and one of his stock in trades is deception and fraud for a “higher” national purpose.
But even more importantly, this story shows us how the Holocaust continues to infect Israeli consciousness and contributes to pathological behavior. If we are to believe Dagan and the Times reporter, he killed al-Mabouh because he was little different than that SS officer holding a gun to his “grandfather’s” head. You see where this leads? It leads to every enemy Israel has being no different than the Nazi genocidaires. It leads to many Israeli critics being labelled Kapo (as I have regularly been) or collaborator with Nazis.
We must finally put a stake through the heart of the Holocaust as justifier of Israeli policy. This historical event should be precisely this and nothing more. It must not be allowed to become a template for current or future Israeli behavior. To the extent it does, Israel will never become a normal nation and always live within a nightmare of its own making. Link
semper occultus wrote:On his first day in office eight years ago, Mr Dagan had stood on a table in the organisation’s canteen and promised to support any operation against any of Israel’s enemies, with every means he had — legal or illegal.
He could allow his field agents to use prescribed nerve toxins, dumdum bullets and methods of killing that even the Russian or Chinese secret services would not use.
“We are like the hangman, or the doctor on Death Row who administers the lethal injection,” he said, as – by his own account – his agents listened, enthralled.
“Our actions are all endorsed by the state of Israel. When we kill we are not breaking the law. We are fulfilling a sentence sanctioned by the prime minister of the day.”
Second, we should continue and enhance espionage and sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program. Every nuclear scientist who has a "car accident" and every computer virus buys us time, setting back the timeline for Iran's nuclear capability, while exacting a price for those who cooperate with the nuclear program. Think of it as the ultimate targeted sanction.
Third, we need to make human rights a central theme in our bilateral and multilateral diplomacy regarding Iran. The spotlight on the noxious regime helps to undermine the regime's legitimacy at home and emboldens the Green Movement. We should test the theory that the most effective disarmament strategy is a robust human rights policy, one that includes the EU and other nations exerting diplomatic pressure on the regime.
Every nuclear scientist who has a "car accident" and every computer virus buys us time, setting back the timeline for Iran's nuclear capability, while exacting a price for those who cooperate with the nuclear program. Think of it as the ultimate targeted sanction.
Jennifer Rubin wrote:Second, we should continue and enhance espionage and sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program. Every nuclear scientist who has a "car accident" and every computer virus buys us time, setting back the timeline for Iran's nuclear capability, while exacting a price for those who cooperate with the nuclear program. Think of it as the ultimate targeted sanction.
Third, we need to make human rights a central theme in our bilateral and multilateral diplomacy regarding Iran. The spotlight on the noxious regime helps to undermine the regime's legitimacy at home and emboldens the Green Movement. We should test the theory that the most effective disarmament strategy is a robust human rights policy, one that includes the EU and other nations exerting diplomatic pressure on the regime.
The Beeb wrote:President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has accused "Western governments" and Israel of being behind the killing.
This is fertile ground for making a lot of noise [with the implication that the Mossad is facilitating some of the "noise"], and it’s happening.
If the U.S. and the west does not institute far heavier pressure on Iran [to end its nuclear program or topple the regime], at the end of the day Benjamin Netanyahu will be left with no choice, and despite the deeply troubling consequences of such a process, but to order [Israeli] bombers on their way [to their Iranian targets].
hava1 wrote:Alice, let us know when you decided if its real or psyops (the ISraeli news article by bergman), with the reasoning pls
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