don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick joke

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don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick joke

Postby justdrew » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:40 pm

one clear thing, there's no reason why they need to be paid jack shit what what they do today...

beyond that, it's not a failing of medicine per se, but of our society generally. the root being the bogus and useless for profit insurance industry.

Talk Doesn’t Pay, So Psychiatry Turns Instead to Drug Therapy
March 5, 2011 | By GARDINER HARRIS

DOYLESTOWN, Pa. — Alone with his psychiatrist, the patient confided that his newborn had serious health problems, his distraught wife was screaming at him and he had started drinking again. With his life and second marriage falling apart, the man said he needed help.

But the psychiatrist, Dr. Donald Levin, stopped him and said: “Hold it. I’m not your therapist. I could adjust your medications, but I don’t think that’s appropriate.”

Like many of the nation’s 48,000 psychiatrists, Dr. Levin, in large part because of changes in how much insurance will pay, no longer provides talk therapy, the form of psychiatry popularized by Sigmund Freud that dominated the profession for decades. Instead, he prescribes medication, usually after a brief consultation with each patient. So Dr. Levin sent the man away with a referral to a less costly therapist and a personal crisis unexplored and unresolved.

Medicine is rapidly changing in the United States from a cottage industry to one dominated by large hospital groups and corporations, but the new efficiencies can be accompanied by a telling loss of intimacy between doctors and patients. And no specialty has suffered this loss more profoundly than psychiatry.

Trained as a traditional psychiatrist at Michael Reese Hospital, a sprawling Chicago medical center that has since closed, Dr. Levin, 68, first established a private practice in 1972, when talk therapy was in its heyday.

Then, like many psychiatrists, he treated 50 to 60 patients in once- or twice-weekly talk-therapy sessions of 45 minutes each. Now, like many of his peers, he treats 1,200 people in mostly 15-minute visits for prescription adjustments that are sometimes months apart. Then, he knew his patients’ inner lives better than he knew his wife’s; now, he often cannot remember their names. Then, his goal was to help his patients become happy and fulfilled; now, it is just to keep them functional.

Dr. Levin has found the transition difficult. He now resists helping patients to manage their lives better. “I had to train myself not to get too interested in their problems,” he said, “and not to get sidetracked trying to be a semi-therapist.”

Brief consultations have become common in psychiatry, said Dr. Steven S. Sharfstein, a former president of the American Psychiatric Association and the president and chief executive of Sheppard Pratt Health System, Maryland’s largest behavioral health system.

“It’s a practice that’s very reminiscent of primary care,” Dr. Sharfstein said. “They check up on people; they pull out the prescription pad; they order tests.”

With thinning hair, a gray beard and rimless glasses, Dr. Levin looks every bit the psychiatrist pictured for decades in New Yorker cartoons. His office, just above Dog Daze Canine Hair Designs in this suburb of Philadelphia, has matching leather chairs, and African masks and a moose head on the wall. But there is no couch or daybed; Dr. Levin has neither the time nor the space for patients to lie down anymore.

On a recent day, a 50-year-old man visited Dr. Levin to get his prescriptions renewed, an encounter that took about 12 minutes.

Two years ago, the man developed rheumatoid arthritis and became severely depressed. His family doctor prescribed an antidepressant, to no effect. He went on medical leave from his job at an insurance company, withdrew to his basement and rarely ventured out.

“I became like a bear hibernating,” he said.

Missing the Intrigue

He looked for a psychiatrist who would provide talk therapy, write prescriptions if needed and accept his insurance. He found none. He settled on Dr. Levin, who persuaded him to get talk therapy from a psychologist and spent months adjusting a mix of medications that now includes different antidepressants and an antipsychotic. The man eventually returned to work and now goes out to movies and friends’ houses.

The man’s recovery has been gratifying for Dr. Levin, but the brevity of his appointments — like those of all of his patients — leaves him unfulfilled.

“I miss the mystery and intrigue of psychotherapy,” he said. “Now I feel like a good Volkswagen mechanic.”

“I’m good at it,” Dr. Levin went on, “but there’s not a lot to master in medications. It’s like ‘2001: A Space Odyssey,’ where you had Hal the supercomputer juxtaposed with the ape with the bone. I feel like I’m the ape with the bone now.”

The switch from talk therapy to medications has swept psychiatric practices and hospitals, leaving many older psychiatrists feeling unhappy and inadequate. A 2005 government survey found that just 11 percent of psychiatrists provided talk therapy to all patients, a share that had been falling for years and has most likely fallen more since. Psychiatric hospitals that once offered patients months of talk therapy now discharge them within days with only pills.

Recent studies suggest that talk therapy may be as good as or better than drugs in the treatment of depression, but fewer than half of depressed patients now get such therapy compared with the vast majority 20 years ago. Insurance company reimbursement rates and policies that discourage talk therapy are part of the reason. A psychiatrist can earn $150 for three 15-minute medication visits compared with $90 for a 45-minute talk therapy session.

Competition from psychologists and social workers — who unlike psychiatrists do not attend medical school, so they can often afford to charge less — is the reason that talk therapy is priced at a lower rate. There is no evidence that psychiatrists provide higher quality talk therapy than psychologists or social workers.

Of course, there are thousands of psychiatrists who still offer talk therapy to all their patients, but they care mostly for the worried wealthy who pay in cash. In New York City, for instance, a select group of psychiatrists charge $600 or more per hour to treat investment bankers, and top child psychiatrists charge $2,000 and more for initial evaluations.

When he started in psychiatry, Dr. Levin kept his own schedule in a spiral notebook and paid college students to spend four hours a month sending out bills. But in 1985, he started a series of jobs in hospitals and did not return to full-time private practice until 2000, when he and more than a dozen other psychiatrists with whom he had worked were shocked to learn that insurers would no longer pay what they had planned to charge for talk therapy.

“At first, all of us held steadfast, saying we spent years learning the craft of psychotherapy and weren’t relinquishing it because of parsimonious policies by managed care,” Dr. Levin said. “But one by one, we accepted that that craft was no longer economically viable. Most of us had kids in college. And to have your income reduced that dramatically was a shock to all of us. It took me at least five years to emotionally accept that I was never going back to doing what I did before and what I loved.”

He could have accepted less money and could have provided time to patients even when insurers did not pay, but, he said, “I want to retire with the lifestyle that my wife and I have been living for the last 40 years.”

“Nobody wants to go backwards, moneywise, in their career,” he said. “Would you?”

Dr. Levin would not reveal his income. In 2009, the median annual compensation for psychiatrists was about $191,000, according to surveys by a medical trade group. To maintain their incomes, physicians often respond to fee cuts by increasing the volume of services they provide, but psychiatrists rarely earn enough to compensate for their additional training. Most would have been better off financially choosing other medical specialties.

Dr. Louisa Lance, a former colleague of Dr. Levin’s, practices the old style of psychiatry from an office next to her house, 14 miles from Dr. Levin’s office. She sees new patients for 90 minutes and schedules follow-up appointments for 45 minutes. Everyone gets talk therapy. Cutting ties with insurers was frightening since it meant relying solely on word-of-mouth, rather than referrals within insurers’ networks, Dr. Lance said, but she cannot imagine seeing patients for just 15 minutes. She charges $200 for most appointments and treats fewer patients in a week than Dr. Levin treats in a day.

“Medication is important,” she said, “but it’s the relationship that gets people better.”

Dr. Levin’s initial efforts to get insurers to reimburse him and persuade his clients to make their co-payments were less than successful. His office assistants were so sympathetic to his tearful patients that they often failed to collect. So in 2004, he begged his wife, Laura Levin — a licensed talk therapist herself, as a social worker — to take over the business end of the practice.

Ms. Levin created accounting systems, bought two powerful computers, licensed a computer scheduling program from a nearby hospital and hired independent contractors to haggle with insurers and call patients to remind them of appointments. She imposed a variety of fees on patients: $50 for a missed appointment, $25 for a faxed prescription refill and $10 extra for a missed co-payment.

As soon as a patient arrives, Ms. Levin asks firmly for a co-payment, which can be as much as $50. She schedules follow-up appointments without asking for preferred times or dates because she does not want to spend precious minutes as patients search their calendars. If patients say they cannot make the appointments she scheduled, Ms. Levin changes them.

“This is about volume,” she said, “and if we spend two minutes extra or five minutes extra with every one of 40 patients a day, that means we’re here two hours longer every day. And we just can’t do it.”

She said that she would like to be more giving of herself, particularly to patients who are clearly troubled. But she has disciplined herself to confine her interactions to the business at hand. “The reality is that I’m not the therapist anymore,” she said, words that echoed her husband’s.

Drawing the Line

Ms. Levin, 63, maintains a lengthy waiting list, and many of the requests are heartbreaking. On a January day, a pregnant mother of a 3-year-old called to say that her husband was so depressed he could not rouse himself from bed. Could he have an immediate appointment? Dr. Levin’s first opening was a month away.

“I get a call like that every day, and I find it really distressing,” Ms. Levin said. “But do we work 12 hours every day instead of 11? At some point, you have to make a choice.”

Initial consultations are 45 minutes, while second and later visits are 15. In those first 45 minutes, Dr. Levin takes extensive medical, psychiatric and family histories. He was trained to allow patients to tell their stories in their own unhurried way with few interruptions, but now he asks a rapid-fire series of questions in something akin to a directed interview. Even so, patients sometimes fail to tell him their most important symptoms until the end of the allotted time.

“There was a guy who came in today, a 56-year-old man with a series of business failures who thinks he has A.D.D.,” or attention deficit disorder, Dr. Levin said. “So I go through the whole thing and ask a series of questions about A.D.D., and it’s not until the very end when he says, ‘On Oct. 28, I thought life was so bad, I was thinking about killing myself.’ ”

With that, Dr. Levin began to consider an entirely different diagnosis from the man’s pattern of symptoms: excessive worry, irritability, difficulty falling asleep, muscle tension in his back and shoulders, persistent financial woes, the early death of his father, the disorganization of his mother.

“The thread that runs throughout this guy’s life is anxiety, not A.D.D. — although anxiety can impair concentration,” said Dr. Levin, who prescribed an antidepressant that he hoped would moderate the man’s anxiety. And he pressed the patient to see a therapist, advice patients frequently ignore. The visit took 55 minutes, putting Dr. Levin behind schedule.

In 15-minute consultations, Dr. Levin asks for quick updates on sleep, mood, energy, concentration, appetite, irritability and problems like sexual dysfunction that can result from psychotropic medications.

“And people want to tell me about what’s going on in their lives as far as stress,” Dr. Levin said, “and I’m forced to keep saying: ‘I’m not your therapist. I’m not here to help you figure out how to get along with your boss, what you do that’s self-defeating, and what alternative choices you have.’ ”

Dr. Levin, wearing no-iron khakis, a button-down blue shirt with no tie, blue blazer and loafers, had a cheery greeting for his morning patients before ushering them into his office. Emerging 15 minutes later after each session, he would walk into Ms. Levin’s adjoining office to pick up the next chart, announce the name of the patient in the waiting room and usher that person into his office.

He paused at noon to spend 15 minutes eating an Asian chicken salad with Ramen noodles. He got halfway through the salad when an urgent call from a patient made him put down his fork, one of about 20 such calls he gets every day.

By afternoon, he had dispensed with the cheery greetings. At 6 p.m., his waiting room empty, Dr. Levin heaved a sigh after emerging from his office with his 39th patient. Then the bell on his entry door tinkled again, and another patient came up the stairs.

“Oh, I thought I was done,” Dr. Levin said, disappointed. Ms. Levin handed him the last patient’s chart.

Quick Decisions

The Levins said they did not know how long they could work 11-hour days. “And if the stock market hadn’t gone down two years ago, we probably wouldn’t be working this hard now,” Ms. Levin said.

Dr. Levin said that the quality of treatment he offers was poorer than when he was younger. For instance, he was trained to adopt an unhurried analytic calm during treatment sessions. “But my office is like a bus station now,” he said. “How can I have an analytic calm?”

And years ago, he often saw patients 10 or more times before arriving at a diagnosis. Now, he makes that decision in the first 45-minute visit. “You have to have a diagnosis to get paid,” he said with a shrug. “I play the game.”

In interviews, six of Dr. Levin’s patients — their identities, like those of the other patients, are being withheld to protect their privacy — said they liked him despite the brief visits. “I don’t need a half-hour or an hour to talk,” said a stone mason who has panic attacks and depression and is prescribed an antidepressant. “Just give me some medication, and that’s it. I’m O.K.”

Another patient, a licensed therapist who has post-partum depression worsened by several miscarriages, said she sees Dr. Levin every four weeks, which is as often as her insurer will pay for the visits. Dr. Levin has prescribed antidepressants as well as drugs to combat anxiety. She also sees a therapist, “and it’s really, really been helping me, especially with my anxiety,” she said.

She said she likes Dr. Levin and feels that he listens to her.

Dr. Levin expressed some astonishment that his patients admire him as much as they do.

“The sad thing is that I’m very important to them, but I barely know them,” he said. “I feel shame about that, but that’s probably because I was trained in a different era.”

The Levins’s youngest son, Matthew, is now training to be a psychiatrist, and Dr. Donald Levin said he hoped that his son would not feel his ambivalence about their profession since he will not have experienced an era when psychiatrists lavished time on every patient. Before the 1920s, many psychiatrists were stuck in asylums treating confined patients covered in filth, so most of the 20th century was unusually good for the profession.

In a telephone interview from the University of California, Irvine, where he is completing the last of his training to become a child and adolescent psychiatrist, Dr. Matthew Levin said, “I’m concerned that I may be put in a position where I’d be forced to sacrifice patient care to make a living, and I’m hoping to avoid that.”
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Postby 82_28 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:40 pm

I don't care what the scions say either.

Imagine this:

You're deeply depressed and anxious constantly -- panic attacks up the yin yang. Your counselor ain't doing it for you, so he recommends going to see a "pdoc". Go see pdoc. You tell him you were for years on Luvox and it did help for your OCD, but you don't think you want to take Luvox again because it gave you depersonalization issues and occasional akathesia. So he says, citalopram will probably work along with a small dose of Abilify. You're like WTF? Seriously? You pay your $175 for the initial 30 minute visit, he hands you sample packs, you go home and let that shit sit there.

There's no fucking way I'm taking that Abilify, you say to yourself as it stares at you from atop your fridge where you left it.

So the next appointment, you go in and tell him you haven't taken one of his drugs yet. He asks why. You tell him that you're too nervous about what it will do to you. He writes a script for lorazepam.

You try lorazepam and it makes you feel like you're tripping. That shit don't work.

No progress, but just more and more worry about what you're going to say this time upon your next appointment.

So you say fuck it. I'm not going anymore. You don't show up for appointment and just get along as best as possible. You know this is going to still result in a charge of $125 for the appointment you missed.

Your company goes out of business. You lose your job. Begin drawing unemployment.

But the doctor just calls and calls and calls about his lost 15 minutes of some day in September. How he "wants to get his books straight". Like some obsessive freak.

You finally tell him to fuck off and that I am getting per week right now the amount of money I owe you. You tell him "just send me to fucking collections. You and your fees are the last of my worries right now."

He says he won't do that and then calls and calls some more.

Psychiatrists are lunatics.
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Postby bks » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:27 am

Paging Dr. Milgram. What the fuck.

If this is representative of the lengths that most psychiatrists are willing to go to indulge their sense of entitlement, I can only imagine what the Wall Street banksters are willing to do to assuage their own. And the banskters don't even have to confront the faces of depressed people when they're give the rest of the world the shaft.

How widespread is this practice? I'm happy to condemn the whole profession, but I'd at least like to know that this is commonplace first.

The easy admissions the Levins offer up give off the slightest whiff of a Jayson Blair-esqe concoction. Or maybe that's just the stink of rationalization. Anyway, wow.
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Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:50 am

I'm glad this is getting some press, because, yes, this is EXACTLY what is going on.

It's disgusting and it infuriates me. This article got me seeing so red I couldn't even finish it because it could have been written by me. I've had these exact experiences with my dear family member who is in need of this.

The fucking psychiatrists are a bunch of drug pushers now. That's all they do. It is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to find a talk therapist who can also prescribe any meds. They've all turned into these fucking drug dealers.

It's irresponsible, it's dangerous, and it's a fucking cop out for them. They're cowards.

Finally my family member has found someone who will do both, talk therapy and meds, and it's a godsend. Finally there's some progress after several years of being treated like a guinea pig and frankly, often verbally abused by those people who were supposed to be helping. I mean, these supposed doctors act like total fucking assholes toward their own fragile and mentally ill patients.

Something really really needs to be done about this because it is WAY out of control these days.
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Postby compared2what? » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:24 am

bks wrote:Paging Dr. Milgram. What the fuck.

If this is representative of the lengths that most psychiatrists are willing to go to indulge their sense of entitlement, I can only imagine what the Wall Street banksters are willing to do to assuage their own. And the banskters don't even have to confront the faces of depressed people when they're give the rest of the world the shaft.

How widespread is this practice? I'm happy to condemn the whole profession, but I'd at least like to know that this is commonplace first.

The easy admissions the Levins offer up give off the slightest whiff of a Jayson Blair-esqe concoction. Or maybe that's just the stink of rationalization. Anyway, wow.


Jayson Blair? Well, okay. Now you're speaking with passion and very limited information concerning two subjects I have extensive personal knowledge of.

What easy admissions? Psychiatrists and, in fact, doctors of every kind are increasingly fucked for the exact same reason that psychiatric patients and, in fact, patients of every kind are increasingly about a thousand times even more fucked than that.

It's all about the benjamins. And there are none. Psychiatrists are small fry in the grand scheme of the real powers that are at work here. And they're sure as hell not pulling the strings. Unlike PhRMA, actually. They are pulling the strings. They're just not pulling remotely the same strings that the evil-psychiatrists-are-drugging-your-babies narrative says they're pulling.

Which is why I do care what the scilons say. They've fucking won the battle for popular perception. And now people can't even see what's right in fucking front of them. I mean, who are you going to believe? The CCHR or your own lying eyes?
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Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:20 am

I thought of this, from Sascha- a founder of the Icarus Project:

It is very challenging to untangle the social, political, and economic hijacking of what is considered mental health and illness, when these are states we tangibly live with and have to navigate on a daily basis. What is inside us and what is outside in society? How does the language and diagnostic categories that we use to talk about each other affect our understanding of ourselves? It is a multi-layered knot of enormous proportions.

If we are going to do anything to change the mental health system we need to begin by simply acknowledging how fundamentally flawed the current model is – how little room it leaves for alternate views of health and wellness, how it privileges the knowledge of scientists and experts, and belittles the resources of local communities, families and alternative health care practitioners. We need to draw a clearer distinction between the usefulness of some modern psychiatric medications, and the reductionist biopsychiatric paradigm that reduces our emotions and behavior to chemicals and neurotransmitters. We need to talk publicly about the relationship between unhealthy economic policies, the pharmaceutical industry, and our mental health. We need to start redefining what it actually means to be mentally healthy, and not just on an individual level, but on a collective level, community and even worldwide. We need to move away from the ideology of disease and its treatment, to that of public health and disease prevention. We need to look more closely and critically at the root causes of our mental distress, because it is likely that many of the causes come from the same ideology that offers the current biopsychiatric solutions.

When I think about solutions to this mess, I envision a vibrant social and political movement made up of coalitions of locally based community groups and professionals in the field – people who understand the importance of economic justice and global solidarity and the critical need for accepting mental diversity and not falling into the trap of trying to fit into a society that is obviously very sick. I envision a movement that has the wisdom and reverence for the human spirit and understands the intertwined complexity of these things we call mental health and wellness. I envision a movement that understands the importance of language and telling stories and knowing our history. Because the issues are so confusing and intertwined, I would love to see focus groups of scholars and activists who can help to make relevant theories and histories easier to penetrate for larger numbers of people.



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Postby Maddy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:50 pm

Actually, I agree with you, C2W.

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Postby bks » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:38 pm

c2w? wrote:

What easy admissions? Psychiatrists and, in fact, doctors of every kind are increasingly fucked for the exact same reason that psychiatric patients and, in fact, patients of every kind are increasingly about a thousand times even more fucked than that.


Not sure I agree. Psychiatrists, if they're "fucked", are way less fucked than their patients are on average, as you seem to accept there at the end. Doctors and psychiatrists should be seen as a "dominated faction of the dominant class", to appropriate and tweak Bourdieu's coinage, but most of their patients would decidedly not be. Makes a difference.

Admitting as Dr. Levin does that you don't take time to listen to patients in great need, and also that you treat them like cash machines are pretty stark admissions for medical professionals to be making [and I'm glad for those admissions, for sure], as are the rationalizations for why your retirement portfolio justifies performing this "sick joke" of a simulacrum of true psychiatric care.

It's all about the benjamins. And there are none. Psychiatrists are small fry in the grand scheme of the real powers that are at work here. And they're sure as hell not pulling the strings. Unlike PhRMA, actually. They are pulling the strings. They're just not pulling remotely the same strings that the evil-psychiatrists-are-drugging-your-babies narrative says they're pulling.


PhRMA is pulling the strings, we agree. But I think you may be imputing something to me that's not there, because I said "I'm happy to condemn the whole profession". It was meant to be humorous, but anyway, if what Dr. Levin described was in fact widespread and professionally encouraged, that's pretty condemnable, no?

According to the article, there are still some benjamins to be made. You can still access them by doing what the Levins are doing, though there's less money and accessing requires ever-more contortions of professional practices. This squares with my personal experience, drawn from conversations with two of my best friends, a psychopharmacologist leaving the profession to begin cognitive behavioral therapy, and a pharmacist who services long-term care facilities. The other route to the benjamins mentioned was treating the super-wealthy class of kleptocrats who will pay lots of money, apparently, to unburden their souls.  

PhRMA is pulling the strings, yes. But how tightly do they bind, and who did the tying, and why? PhRMA is an institution, representing one of the biggest industries in the world. Psychiatry, on the other hand is a profession. There's a chasm of difference that must be maintained as much as possible between the two, if the profession is to survive. If a profession is simply going to do the bidding of its carrying institutions, then why bother with the profession at all? Isn't that in fact what is threatened by acquiescence like Levin's on a large scale?

There are ways out. Doctors of all stripes, for several years now, have been going to concierge practices which of course don't solve the big managed care problem, but at least represent a healthy first response to it.

Which is why I do care what the scilons say. They've fucking won the battle for popular perception. And now people can't even see what's right in fucking front of them. I mean, who are you going to believe? The CCHR or your own lying eyes?
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scilons a term for scientologists, I gather? I've never heard it before.

As I'm sure you know, Scientology is not the primary or best source of criticism of psychiatry in the second half of the 20th century. Academics like Michel Foucault and Erving Goffman and several others were making forceful, comprehensive criticisms of psychiatry 50 years ago completely independent of anything coming from L. Ron Hubbard, who isn't even an actual thinker as far as I know. Tarring criticism of psychiatry with the Scientology brush is a bit of a dirty trick, the CCHR notwithstanding. As would be assuming that criticism of psychiatry equals the wholesale rejection of it.
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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:47 pm

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing...a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

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Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:10 pm

I think spychiatry has always been a sick joke, the good guys in there are a minority. The whole thing is based on enforcing conformity. They've played a big role in psyops. They were big in the MK stuff. They almost make the scilons look sane by opposing them. I recommend everyone get a copy of "mass murderers in white coats", by Lenny Lapon, a self-proclaimed former mental patient and member of the psychiatric inmate's liberation movement.
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Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:52 pm

The majority of psychiatrists I've had direct experience with in the last few years are wretched human beings, who must have gotten into the profession in order to be cruel to their fellow man.

It's really tough to find a good one, but when you do, the results can be startling, and just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the others are truly nasty people.
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Postby wordspeak2 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:52 pm

My dad's a psychiatrist, one of the rare relative "good guys." He keeps the drug companies from giving out free gifts/bribes in his office; counts for something, I guess. He's just about the retire, and I get the drift that he's *finally* starting to question what he's spent the last twenty-five years doing (after years of my sister and I confronting him on it). I think there are a fair amount of other well-intentioned ones, actually, but regardless of intention they're NAZI DOCTORS. Psychiatric drugs are the number one tool of mind control out there, when you consider both quantity and intensity (one could say television, I suppose, but I think psych drugs take it).

"mass murderers in white coats", by Lenny Lapon YES! Lenny Lapon is great; I've seen him speak. That's good shit.

Fortunately, there are groups like Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies that are working for a positive revolution in psychotherapy. It's forty years coming, but we're starting to see the beginnings of an alternative arise.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:56 pm

And some of these drugs are just fucking dangerous, like Abilify. They can cause permanent nerve damage, so you can end up flicking your tongue like a snake, uncontrollably, for the rest of your life. Yet there it is on TV, being advertised for depression! Unreal. You know the lawsuits are coming, they know it, but they don't care, they've got the financial formula figured out so they can make huge profits EVEN WITH the resulting lawsuits of selling dangerous drugs to people.

There are few things as seriously fucked up as that. Monsanto comes to mind, the company I call "the most evil corporation on earth". These are no different.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:48 pm

I tried earlier this year to get to see someone who would dedicate a handful of sessions to me. My General Practitioner (the gatekeeps of nearly all specialists in Canada) brushed me off after I told him I didn't want pills anymore, becoming somewhat huffy and turning back to his computer saying, "it's going to be expensive to go to counselling."

So I telephoned a counselor anyway, and I was shocked when she, too, told me I wasn't going to be able to afford it. She suggested a sliding scale clinic in town. I called there. They 'really only deal with addiction issues' the receptionist said, and 'it's for very short term crisis intervention.'

I did find one clinic three years ago that did an intensive cognitive behavioural approach, which is what I'd wanted, and I could afford it since I was working full time then. But, it was only offered during the working day and the treatment was 5 days a week for three weeks. Fantastic. If I'd have taken the therapy I would have lost my job. At that time, I took the pills instead.
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