Is The Trump Thing Serious?

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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby RocketMan » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:17 pm

I still sometimes have to stifle a spontaneous giggle whenever I'm at the coffee machine at work or wherever when the phrase "TREMENDOUS INFECTIOUS DISEASE POURING ACROSS THE BORDER" pops into my mind. FWIW!! :eeyaa
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:21 pm

While Trump is 'debating', Hillary hangs out with the Kardashians+Kanye.

How is this not the ultimate alternate reality TV show?
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby RocketMan » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:49 pm

The carny is still on the stage...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/trump-c ... -her-nose/

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump on Saturday clarified comments he made about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly having "blood coming out of her" during this week's GOP debate, stressing that he did not mean to imply she was menstruating -- and that "only a deviant" would think that's what he meant.

The billionaire businessman spent much of Friday criticizing Kelly, one of the moderators of the first 2016 Republican presidential debate on Thursday, saying she unfairly attacked him about his past remarks disparaging women.

"She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions," Trump said during an interview Friday on "CNN Tonight." "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base."


Is this the Republican establishment panicking and moving to sideline Trump? Trump's comments were par for the course, but to me seemed more like a failed figure of speech than an out and out reference to menstruation. He is virulently misogynist, of course, so it can't be dismissed outright.

In the debate he point blank refused to rule out an independent run. The other candidates looked like they wanted to kill him right there.

Also, the man leaving Trump out of the next debate, Eric Erickson, is a vicious woman hater in his own right.
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Nordic » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:38 pm

My opinion has changed.

Seeing how the corporate right wing media, and the professional right wing politicians are now reacting to him (Megyn Kelly, of all people, coming at him right out of the gate with her misogyny question), I think there's a reason which nobody is talking about. Except here:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/07/ ... al-system/

Trump’s Triumph: Billionaire Blowhard Exposes Fake Political System
by MIKE WHITNEY




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Last night’s FOX News GOP Presidential Debate Extravaganza featured the most riveting two minute political exchange ever heard on national television. During a brief colloquy between Republican frontrunner Donald Trump and Fox moderator Brett Baier, the pugnacious casino magnate revealed the appalling truth about the American political system, that the big money guys like Trump own the whole crooked contraption lock, stock, and barrel, and that, the nation’s fake political leaders do whatever they’re told to do. Without question, it was most illuminating commentary to ever cross the airwaves. Here’s the entire exchange direct from the transcript:

FOX News Brett Baier (talking to Trump): Now, 15 years ago, you called yourself a liberal on health care. You were for a single-payer system, a Canadian-style system. Why were you for that then and why aren’t you for it now?

TRUMP: As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you’re talking about here.

What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees. And if I’m negotiating in New York or in New Jersey or in California, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid.

You know why?

Because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians, of course, with the exception of the politicians on this stage. (uneasy laughter) But they have total control of the politicians. They’re making a fortune.

Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have…yourself great plans…

BAIER: Mr. Trump, it’s not just your past support for single-payer health care. You’ve also supported a host of other liberal policies….You’ve also donated to several Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton included, and Nancy Pelosi. You explained away those donations saying you did that to get business-related favors. And you said recently, quote, “When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.”

TRUMP: You’d better believe it.

BAIER: — they do?

TRUMP: If I ask them, if I need them, you know, most of the people on this stage I’ve given to, just so you understand, a lot of money.

TRUMP: I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people, before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me. And that’s a broken system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you get from Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?

TRUMP: Well, I’ll tell you what, with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why?

She didn’t have a choice because I gave. I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. I didn’t know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. It was.

BAIER: Hold on…..We’re going to — we’re going to move on.” (Transcript: Read the Full Text of the Primetime Republican Debate, Time)

There it is, two glorious minutes of pure, unalloyed truth on national television. How often does that happen?

How often does a fatcat billionaire-insider appear on TV and announce that the whole system is a big-fat scam run by crooks and patsies?

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Never, that’s when. But that’s what Trump did last night. And that’s why the clatter of ruthless miscreants who run the system behind the smokescreen of fake politicians are sharpening their knives right now before Manhattan’s rogue elephant does even more damage to their precious system.

Just think about what the man said. He not only explained that the whole system is rigged (Baier: “And when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.”…TRUMP: “You’d better believe it.”), he also said that the politicians will do whatever they’re told to do. (TRUMP: Well, …with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why? She didn’t have a choice because I gave.”)

Doesn’t that confirm your darkest suspicions about the way the system really works, that money talks and that elections are just a way to get the sheeple to rubber-stamp a corrupt, fraudulent system?

Of course, it does.

So, let’s summarize: Moneybags capitalist loudmouth explains to 80 million dumbfounded Americans watching prime time TV, that the system is a total fraud, that the big money runs everything, and that even he thinks the system is broken.

How do you beat that? Seriously, my wife and I were laughing and high-fiving and like we just won the lottery.

Thanks for that, Don. We owe you one.


This is a case of somebody not playing ball. Not sticking to the script. Going WAY off the reservation.

After all if Americans figure this out, and realize the ENTIRE election process is nothing BUT a rigged reality show, there could be serious trouble.

They want him done. Gone. They want him to shut up. Don't be surprised if he doesn't completely change his tune VERY quickly, or go the way of the egotistical Dustin Hoffman character in "Wag the Dog".

He may actually be seen as a danger.
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby SonicG » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:22 pm

I don't think Trump's exchange really shined a light on anything - many people fully understand how corrupted the US political system is, but that cynicism drives them further away from the process. And that helps the 1% even more as it makes it all that much easier to continue to ride the system to their benefit. Funny how Trump wouldn't reveal more about what he got, besides a wedding guest, and no one pushed him to give a concrete quid-pro-quo example. I guess because that would point to actual proof of bribery (?).
But what about his right-wing conspiracist advisor who just quit/got fired? Was there any mention of his copious writing on the assassination, LBJ, Nixon...

I used to respect Geraldo. He was one of the few journalists who challenged the Warren Commission findings that Oswald was "lone nut" who murdered Kennedy. Geraldo interviewed LBJ's mistress Madeleine Brown on air- where she implicated Johnson in the coup de etat. Geraldo interviewed witnesses and ballistic experts to destroy the so called "single bullet theory". I asked Geraldo about this recently. He says he doesn't remembers any of it and now thinks the Warren Commission got it right. When did he sell out and why?

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"Coup de etat"? If Obama had even read a book like one of Stone's, he would be pilloried...Handsome dewd...
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:35 pm

Yeah, that comb-overed clown didn't say anything most people already know: the U.S. political system is insanely corrupt. However, as most people understand it, the corruption is the result of politics attracting too many easily corrupted and greedy individuals. While that may be true to a point, it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Notice how Trump said "I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that [tax-free] foundation is supposed to do good". At his level, he surely knows that the real purpose of tax-free foundations is not to "do good". He knows that tax-free foundations are a tool to allow the American capitalists to rule over great fortunes and assets while avoiding taxes, He knows that establishing tax-free foundations is standard procedure in reducing estate taxes and keeping controlling interest in the family, a tool to allow them to pass on their great wealth to inheritors who can then change the rules to suit their tastes without lifting a finger, or earning that wealth and power in any way. And he knows that tax-free foundations are great tools to launder money.

So while most people understand that politics is corrupt, they don't understand or don't want to understand that the system is and always has been blatantly designed to work against them, to strip threadbare most of the populace, while propagandizing and indoctrinating the people to believe in the "American Dream"--a myth if there ever was one--with their limitless resources of dialectic, and specious, deceptive, or oversubtle reasoning . In other words, most will never acknowledge that the corruption is ingeniously woven into the fabric of American society. That overall, underlying our political system, is a conspiracy of great magnitude to, as one man once said, to "restore slavery in all but name."

When he exposes the fortress of interlaced wealth, or the radiation of control exercised through an interlocking directorate, the ferocious wars fought only for preservation and expansion of wealth and power, the tax-free foundations, the mainstream media as nothing but cheerleaders and propagandists for the establishment, the CAFR, and, of course, the pedophocracy, please let me know.
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:38 pm

divideandconquer » Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:35 am wrote:Yeah, that comb-overed clown didn't say anything most people already know: the U.S. political system is insanely corrupt. However, as most people understand it, the corruption is the result of politics attracting too many easily corrupted and greedy individuals. While that may be true to a point, it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Notice how Trump said "I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that [tax-free] foundation is supposed to do good". At his level, he surely knows that the real purpose of tax-free foundations is not to "do good". He knows that tax-free foundations are a tool to allow the American capitalists to rule over great fortunes and assets while avoiding taxes, He knows that establishing tax-free foundations is standard procedure in reducing estate taxes and keeping controlling interest in the family, a tool to allow them to pass on their great wealth to inheritors who can then change the rules to suit their tastes without lifting a finger, or earning that wealth and power in any way. And he knows that tax-free foundations are great tools to launder money.

So while most people understand that politics is corrupt, they don't understand or don't want to understand that the system is and always has been blatantly designed to work against them, to strip threadbare most of the populace, while propagandizing and indoctrinating the people to believe in the "American Dream"--a myth if there ever was one--with their limitless resources of dialectic, and specious, deceptive, or oversubtle reasoning . In other words, most will never acknowledge that the corruption is ingeniously woven into the fabric of American society. That overall, underlying our political system, is a conspiracy of great magnitude to, as one man once said, to "restore slavery in all but name."

When he exposes the fortress of interlaced wealth, or the radiation of control exercised through an interlocking directorate, the ferocious wars fought only for preservation and expansion of wealth and power, the tax-free foundations, the mainstream media as nothing but cheerleaders and propagandists for the establishment, the CAFR, and, of course, the pedophocracy, please let me know.


Excellent dissection. Thank you.
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:39 pm

Lord Balto » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:28 am wrote:
Searcher08 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:30 pm wrote:OK I'll start...

His election rallies will be called "wig-outs"
He will come within a hairpiece of winning


Another wignut running for president.

"Comb over to my rally!"

"My opponent is a bald faced liar."


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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:07 am

LOL.^^

Looking into my crystal ball: He will be portrayed by William Shatner in the near future, likely as fodder for TV.
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Elvis » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:52 pm

Trump Bankruptcy Report June 2015, Chapter 11 Filing (with debtors)

https://cryptome.org/2015/08/trump-bk-1486-0001.pdf


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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:13 pm

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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby RocketMan » Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:41 am

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracke ... ads-august


Not only is real estate mogul galloping in front of all other Republican presidential candidates, a poll from CNN/ORC released Tuesday showed he's also leading the pack as the second choice of GOP voters.

The poll found Trump had 24 percent of support among registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. In addition, he also led his GOP rivals as the second choice of those voters with 14 percent.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was trailing as the first choice for President at 13 percent. No other candidates polled at double digits.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson polled at 9 percent while Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker each polled at 8 percent.

Trump was also chosen as the best candidate to handle ISIS, illegal immigration, the economy and social issues such as abortion and gay marriage. The former reality television star over the weekend released his policy paper on immigration, which included making Mexico pay for a wall along the almost-2,000-mile border with the U.S.

The poll was conducted among 1,001 adults, 897 of whom were registered voters, by landline and cellphone from August 13 to 16. The overall margin of error was plus or minus 3 percent and, among registered voters, the margin of errors was 3.5 percent.


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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Elvis » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:45 am

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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby RocketMan » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:24 pm

And Brother Cornel West keeps on truckin'. I just love that man. :lovehearts:

He's also managing to play the field pretty well, from appearing on Democracy Now and Real News Network to CNN appearances. No mean feat, considering he's practically branded Barack Obama a war criminal.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/cornel- ... ald-trump/

Philosopher and activist Cornel West slammed Donald Trump on Thursday for his attacks on immigrants, and said that the country would be better served by an “atmosphere of the spirit of Jimmy Carter.”

“Juxtapose Jimmy Carter with our dear brother Donald Trump,” West told CNN’s John Berman. “A lot of authenticity with Donald Trump — I love it — [but he has] no real integrity, no real sensitivity to Mexican brothers and sisters and others.”

“We need a national atmosphere of the spirit of Jimmy Carter that says, ‘I could be wrong but I’m concerned about the least of these,'” he continued. “We’ve got to insure that the most powerful are rendered accountable. Jimmy Carter had the courage to do that even in the Middle East. Escalating anti-Semitism in the world, but also a very ugly Israel occupation. How do you walk that tightrope? We don’t have leaders like that.”

West pointed out that Trump’s “mother is from Scotland, his grandfather is from Germany.”

“My people have been here 400 years,” West said. “He just got here but he wants to define who ought to get here. Wait a minute, where’s the sensitivity to the weak and vulnerable?”




A propos of Raw Story, it used to be pretty guerilla about some stuff, flirting with 9/11 skepticism and JFK stuff... Nowadays it's pretty milquetoast liberal left. Oh, well. :shrug:
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Re: Is The Trump Thing Serious?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:49 pm

It's not much of a mystery why Cornel West is getting booked on TV, though:
http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/cele ... ornel-West

Indeed, "Diversity Speakers" is a whole category:
http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/cate ... y-Speakers

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