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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:25 pm

Relative's DNA from genealogy websites cracked East Area Rapist case, DA's office says
BY SAM STANTON AND RYAN LILLIS
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April 26, 2018 02:01 PM
Updated 8 minutes ago
Sacramento investigators tracked down East Area Rapist suspect Joseph James DeAngelo using genealogical websites that contained genetic information from a relative, the Sacramento County District Attorney's Office confirmed Thursday.

The effort was part of a painstaking process that began by using DNA from one of the crime scenes from years ago and comparing it to genetic profiles available online through various websites that cater to individuals wanting to know more about their family backgrounds by accepting DNA samples from them, said Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Grippi.

The investigation was conducted over a long period of time as officials in Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert's office and crime lab explored online family trees that appeared to have matches to DNA samples from the East Area Rapist's crimes, Grippi said. They then followed clues to individuals in the family trees to determine whether they were potential suspects.

The process finally came to fruition last Thursday, when the investigation focused on the possibility that DeAngelo might be a suspect, a suspicion that was bolstered by the fact that he had lived in areas where the attacks occurred and was in the right age range, Grippi said.

Schubert said in an interview at her office that the April 19 determination that DeAngelo might be a suspect set the investigation into high gear.

Sacramento County Sheriff Scott Jones' investigators set up surveillance on DeAngelo in his quiet Citrus Heights neighborhood and obtained his DNA from something he discarded.

The crime lab began testing the material and Schubert said she got a call last Friday night from Grippi while she was at a high school fundraiser telling her that the DeAngelo DNA matched that found at decades-old murder scenes in Ventura and Orange counties.


"I was at a dinner at Cristo Rey High School and Steve Grippi called me," she said. "And so I probably used a few words I wouldn't put in a newspaper, but basically said, 'You'd better not be lying to me.'"

The sample provided "overwhelming evidence that it was him," Schubert said, but she decided they wanted a second sample, which sheriff's officials recovered.

The results from testing that second sample came in while Schubert was in her office Monday night, she said.

"The second sample was astronomical evidence that it was him," Schubert said, adding, "There were a whole of of holy s--- moments."

Authorities began moving quickly to plan an arrest.

"We wanted to be able to move quickly because it wasn't like he was in custody somewhere," she said, adding that she didn't tell all prosecutors with unsolved crimes around the state in an effort to keep the discovery secret.

"Not all the DA's knew at the time that the arrest was made," she said. "I think it's a fair statement that it was closely held.

"There were concerns about public safety in terms of if he figured out something was going on."

DeAngelo was arrested outside his home Tuesday afternoon and booked into the county jail on two charges of murder in the February 1978 slayings of Katie and Brian Maggiore in Rancho Cordova.


He is expected to face charges in 12 homicide cases in Sacramento, Orange, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties stemming from a rape and slaying spree that authorities say stretched from 1974 through May 1986.

DeAngelo faces arraignment in Sacramento Superior Court on Friday, but authorities still must determine where he ultimately will stand trial and whether he faces death penalty prosecutions. Some of the murders were committed at a time when the death penalty had been ruled unconstitutional, but others are eligible for such a prosecution.

Schubert said she wants to meet with prosecutors from the counties where DeAngelo is suspected of murders and plan a joint prosecution similar to that used in the Luis Bracamontes cop killing trial that ended with a death penalty sentence on Wednesday.

Bracamontes killed deputies in Sacramento and Placer counties in 2014, and was jointly prosecuted in Sacramento by Rod Norgaard from Schubert's office and Dave Tellman from the Placer DA's office.

"It makes sense to do it in one county," she said, adding that the case could be moved to Southern California because 10 of the 12 murder victims were killed there.

"The majority of the murders happened down in Southern California, so I'm comfortable with wherever it's going to be as long as everybody gets to be a participant," she said.

Prosecutors also must grapple with whether to file rape charges against DeAngelo because for many the statute of limitations has expired.


Sacramento prosecutors do not currently plan to file such charges. In Santa Clara County, where the East Area Rapist was linked to two rapes in San Jose in 1978, the district attorney's office said it would not seek to prosecute DeAngelo because the statute of limitations had expired.

But other jurisdictions are considering it, including Yolo County, where authorities said Thursday they are investigating three rapes in Davis nearly 40 years ago they suspect were committed by DeAngelo.

Yolo County District Attorney Jeff Reisig indicated in a written statement he would seek to prosecute DeAngelo in connection with the Davis attacks, the first prosecutor in the state to announce plans to pursue rape prosecutions.
Reisig said his office would work with Schubert, the FBI and Davis police “to solve the Davis rapes, vigorously prosecute the rapist, and achieve some sense of justice for the victims, family members and the Davis community.”
Contra Costa County's district attorney is working with police agencies there to investigate whether DeAngelo committed nine sexual assaults in that county between 1978 and 1979, DA spokesman Scott Alonso said.

Alonso said the statute of limitations may present a challenge against Contra Costa prosecutors from filing charges. He said the office is evaluating cases with the county sheriff and police in Concord, Danville and Walnut Creek, where attacks linked to the East Area Rapist occurred.
"I think we're very interested in pursuing justice for the victims in these cases and pursue what we can file under the statute of limitations," Alonso said. "We want to see justice for these terrible crimes."
The East Area Rapist is believed to have killed 12 people, raped at least 51 and burglarized hundreds of homes from 1974 through May 1986 along the length of California.

News that a suspect had been arrested in the 44-year-old mystery set off a frenzy of calls to the DA's office from news outlets around the world, and left Schubert reaching out to victims and investigators who had spent decades working to solve the case.

Schubert, who grew up in Sacramento and was 12 when the attacks began, said her brother recalled their father buying a gun because of the rapes and that her mother slept with a knife under her pillow.

The realization that the case might finally have been solved - and that it involved a man who had lived in Sacramento undetected for decades - comes 18 years after Schubert convinced her bosses in the DA's office to let her begin a cold case investigations unit and two years after she formed a statewide task force to focus efforts on the case.

"It's just surreal, so many years of people waiting...," she said. "It’s a big deal. It's a moment in time that I don't think anybody's going to forget...Everybody here understands the significance of this case."
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Postby elfismiles » Fri May 11, 2018 12:44 pm

This may not fit the spree-killings category ... more of a mass-domestic-gun-violence / murder-suicide. :(

CBS/AP May 11, 2018, 10:00 AM
7 dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in 22 years

Police and forensic officers work at the scene of a fatal shooting outside a rural home in Osmington, Australia, near Margaret River, May 11, 2018.

CANBERRA, Australia -- It could be Australia's worst mass shooting in 22 years. A family of seven including four children was found dead with gunshot wounds Friday at a rural property in southwest Australia in, police and media said. The children died with their mother and grandparents.

The three generations had moved to Osmington, a village of fewer than 700 people near the tourist town of Margaret River, in 2015 to grow fruit, media reported.

Police would not comment on the possibility of murder-suicide, but they are not looking for a suspect.

After being alerted by a phone call before dawn, police found the bodies and two guns at the property, Western Australia state Police Commissioner Chris Dawson said. Police won't say who made the call.

The bodies of two adults were found outside a house and the rest were found inside. They all resided at the property, he said.
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Forensics officers scour the ground outside a rural property in Osmington, Australia, where a family of seven was found dead with gunshot wounds, May 11, 2018.

Police have no information to raise concerns about wider public safety, suggesting a shooter is not at large.

more here...
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Postby elfismiles » Mon May 14, 2018 11:00 am

Friday, May 11, 2018
Palmdale School Shooter Reported, One Person in Custody

Authorities on Friday, May 11, 2018, were responding to reports of a possible shooting at Highland High School in Palmdale, California (shown above), and another one at a Manzanita school, as well. The location is the Antelope Valley.

According to Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy Charles Moore for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said there was no immediate confirmation that shots had been fired at the Palmdale campus at 39055 25th St. West.

According to a law enforcement source, multiple callers said there was a man with a gun at the school shortly after 7 a.m. Deputies and California Highway Patrol officers were establishing a perimeter in the area. A man with a rifle is reported to be shooting there.

Firefighter-paramedics were staging in response to the reports, but no one had been transported from the school as of 7:30 a.m., according to the Los Angeles County Fire Department.

Reports of an active shooter at Manzanita Elementary School in California. Manzanita is just 7 miles from Highland High School in Palmdale where there is an active shooter as well.

At least three nearby schools -- David G. Millen Intermediate, Cottonwood Elementary and Ocotillo Elementary -- were on lockdown, employees there said.

Some media confusion appears to be in play.

One person is in custody after deputies responded to a Palmdale high school Friday morning following a report of a man with a gun on campus. One person was wounded.

Palmdale is a frequent cultural reference location associated with aliens:

Mac and Me (1988): Palmdale was mentioned in the film as a nearby city to the location of the alien, Mac's, landed spacecraft. They search this area of open desert for the alien's other family members.
The Outer Limits (1963-65): The episode "The Premonition" takes place at Palmville Air Force Base, with Palmville being a fictional counterpart to Palmdale.
The Greatest American Hero (1981–1983): Most of Ralph Hinkley, Bill Maxwell, and Pam Davidson's encounters with the aliens, or "little green guys", take place in Palmdale, with the exception of the episode "Don't Mess Around with Jim".
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Season 2, episode 4, 2008): Cameron's human counterpart Alison will be born in Palmdale. In the present, Cameron phones Alison's future mother, who already lives in Palmdale, during a period of memory loss or forgotness. Source.

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Postby elfismiles » Fri May 18, 2018 10:00 am

LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter situation at Santa Fe HS
Updated 6 mins ago

SANTA FE, Texas (KTRK) -- Santa Fe High School is on lockdown after a shooting inside the school. Witnesses say the shooting took place in an art class on campus between 7:30 and 7:45 a.m.

Santa Fe Police, Galveston County Sheriff's Office and ATF agents have all responded to the school at 16000 Highway 6. Students are being lined up outside the school, and their backpacks are being deposited for officials.

Authorities investigating after reports of shots fired at Santa Fe High School

Life Flight was also called to the scene. There is no official confirmation of any injuries at this time, but there does appear to be a possible body under a sheet near an exit door.

A student tells ABC13 she saw a gunman shoot a girl. This is an unconfirmed report.

Sophomore Leila Butler tells ABC13 that at about 7:45 a.m. fire alarms went off and students left their classrooms. She reports some students believe they've heard shots fired. She is currently sheltering with other students and teachers near campus.

Santa Fe High School student Leila Butler talks to ABC13 about the active shooter on campus.

Other nearby school districts are putting protective measures in place as well.

Santa Fe is roughly 36 miles outside of Houston. According to the Texas Education Agency, the high school enrollment is about 1,400 students.

http://abc13.com/live-coverage-active-s ... s/3490869/


ETA

Shooter was in art class?

Life Flight Called to Active Shooter Scene at Santa Fe High School South of Houston
Posted on May 18, 2018

Sante Fe, TX (WBAP/KLIF) – An active shooting is being confirmed at a Texas Gulf Coast high school. Santa Fe Independent School District says someone started shooting this morning and the district is now on lockdown. They’re promising to release more information as soon as possible. Santa Fe is about 30 miles southeast of Houston.

Westwood One reports at least one student says she saw her friend get shot.

Life Flight and multiple police agencies have been called to the scene.

http://www.wbap.com/2018/05/18/life-fli ... f-houston/
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Postby elfismiles » Fri May 18, 2018 11:31 am

LIVE COVERAGE: At least 8 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting
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Updated 12 mins ago

SANTA FE, Texas (KTRK) --
Law enforcement sources confirm to ABC13 at least 8 people are dead following a shooting inside Santa Fe High School.

The Harris County Sheriff's Office says one suspect is in custody and a second one is detained. According to law enforcement agencies, it appears the shooter is a student.

The school district just issued the following statement: "This morning an incident occurred at the high school involving an active shooter. The situation is active, but has been contained. There have been confirmed injuries. Details will be released as we receive updated information. Law enforcement will continue to secure the building and initiate all emergency management protocols to release and move students to another location. All other campuses are operating under their regular schedules.
At this time, students from the high school are being transported by SFISD transportation to the Alamo Gym located at 13306 Highway 6. Parents may reunite with their students at this location.

The district will continue to keep you updated as information is available. Safety and communication are our top priorities."

Witnesses say the shooting took place in an art class on campus between 7:30 and 7:45 a.m.

Santa Fe Police, Galveston County Sheriff's Office, ATF and FBI agents have all responded to the school at 16000 Highway 6.

Students were earlier lined up outside the school, and their backpacks were taken up by law enforcement.

Santa Fe High School students being escorted out by officers after active shooter incident

Life Flight was also called to the scene.

Sophomore Leila Butler tells ABC13 that at about 7:45 a.m. fire alarms went off and students left their classrooms. She said some students heard shots before sheltering off campus.

Parent recall active shooter at Santa Fe High School

Other nearby school districts are putting protective measures in place as well.

Santa Fe is roughly 36 miles outside of Houston. According to the Texas Education Agency, the high school enrollment is about 1,400 students.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 11:52 am

thanks for the update

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gotta have guns

keep kids scared to death just so gun lovers can have their guns

where was the good guy with a gun?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 12:27 pm

22nd school shooting this year


Explosive Devices Appear to Have Been Found at Santa Fe School Shooting Site and a Nearby Home


Santa Fe, Texas is mourning after a mass school shooting has left at least nine people, the majority reportedly students, dead. But now a new danger has been revealed. According to local reports, there are possible explosive devices at three separate locations.

The first location is Santa Fe High School, the mass shooting scene. But two other locations are homes nearby, about 3 or 4 miles away. Reporters say they are told these potential bombs are related to the shooting.

The Houston Chronicle reports the death toll has risen to 10. That number was not confirmed at the local police press conference minutes ago.

Citing a senior law enforcement official, The Chronicle adds that the suspect "was armed with an AR-15 style rifle, a pistol, a shotgun and pipe bombs, the official said."
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 1:08 pm

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Trump Supporter Wearing MAGA Hat Just Crashed the Santa Fe School Shooting Scene Armed with a Gun


Photo Credit: NBC/Scott McGrew
CNN is reporting as many as eight people have been murdered at Sante Fe High School in Texas after an assailant entered the school with a shotgun. With students still being screened on the lawn of the high school, with eight of their peers and/or teachers deceased, at least one Trump supporter decided this was the time to put on his MAGA hat, grab his American flag, strap his open-carry pistol to his hip and head on down to the high school.

Is this backlash from the vocal, effective leadership of the teens who survived the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting? Will the NRA’s most dedicated followers begin showing up every time there is a shooting to be a counter voice to those who are suffering real-time trauma from gun violence?

Watch as the man tries to justify his deplorable display and another man calls him out:
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 1:45 pm

Thoughts and prayers’ fail to stop 22nd campus shooting in 20 weeks

May 18, 2018
The epidemic of deadly campus shootings spreads to Santa Fe High School as Republicans and the NRA stand in the way of gun reform, offering 'thoughts and prayers' and nothing else.

America in 2018 has endured, on average, one school shooting every week this year.

On Friday, the latest massacre unfolded at Santa Fe High School in Santa Fe, Texas, 30 miles outside of Houston. CNN reports at least eight people were killed in the gun attack, and that the suspect has been captured.

“An armed person walked into an art class at the school and began firing what looked like a shotgun,” according to one witness.

According to a running count from CNN, the Santa Fe shooting represents the 22nd campus shooting this year where at least one person was injured or killed. To date, 34 people have died in connection to the shootings that have erupted in places like Winston-Salem, North Carolina; Benton, Kentucky; Savannah, Georgia; and Birmingham, Alabama.

And it’s only May.

“Our children have become collateral damage in a nation that allows its gun laws to be written by gun lobbyists,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. “I am devastated for the Santa Fe community, and for the families whose worst fear has become a reality. And I am outraged by the lack of action from too many lawmakers who do nothing to stop this school shootings crisis. We don’t have to live like this, and our children shouldn’t die like this.”

The Texas school shooting was the third in the past seven days in this country.

The school day started with a fire alarm. “We were all standing (outside), but not even five minutes later, we started hearing gunshots,” one Santa Fe student told CNN. “And then everybody starts running, but like the teachers are telling us to stay put, but we’re all just running away.”

The latest gun massacre comes two weeks exactly after Trump basked in the adulation of the NRA, as the radical gun group hosted its annual convention.

Trump and the NRA have been at the forefront of the right-wing effort to curb any attempts to pass commonsense, and widely popular, gun safety legislation through Congress.

The NRA spent more than $419 million in 2016 to help get Trump and other Republicans get elected.

Following the February school massacre in Parkland, Florida, when 17 people were killed, Trump initially urged Republicans to stand up to the NRA. But he then quickly capitulated to the group.

On Friday, Trump posted a tone-deaf message on Twitter, saying news of the Texas gun massacre didn’t “look good.” Later in the day, he read a listless, prepared statement off a White House teleprompter.

Based on the deadly gun trend, Trump will soon again have to address a U.S. school shooting.
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Postby NaturalMystik » Fri May 18, 2018 2:13 pm

Felt compelled to look into historical events for this day. Came across this FWIW:

May 18 1927 - Bath School Disaster, Bath MI. Andrew Kehoe blows up Bath Consolidated School killing 38 children, 2 teachers.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 6:50 pm

Santa Fe High School is the 22nd school shooting in America in 2018.

1. Winston Salem, NC

2. Italy, TX

3. Benton, KY

4. Philly, PA

5. LA, CA

6. Oxon Hill, MD

7. Nashville, TN

8. Parkland, FL

9. Savannah, GA

10. Itta Bena, MS

11. Norfolk, VA

12. Mount Pleasant, MI

13. Jackson, MS

14. Birmingham, AL

15. Mobile, AL

16. Seaside, CA

17. Lexington Park, MD

18. Gloversville, NY

19. Raytown, MO

20. Ocala, FL

21. Palmdale, CA

22. Santa Fe, TX





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New: Facebook confirmed to me

New: Facebook confirmed to me it deleted Dimitrios Pagourtzis’ Instagram account shortly after the shooting.

The account followed 13 pages.

Eight were gun fan pages. The first four were Donald Trump, Ivanka, Melania and The White House
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Santa Fe High School suspect is former honor roll student and football player

Three weeks before he allegedly killed 10 people at a Texas high school, Dimitrios Pagourtzis posted a photo to what appears to have been his Instagram account with a picture of a knife and a handgun atop a mattress and a profane caption.

A source at Facebook confirmed the company deleted the Instagram account after Thursday's shooting at Santa Fe High School, along with his apparent Facebook account.

Another Instagram post was a picture of the arcade game Silent Scope — which allows players to pretend they are a sniper using a controller shaped like a rifle — captioned with a smile emoji. A third photo: the underside of a frog.

He followed only 13 other Instagram accounts, and eight of them were fan pages for firearms. The others include the official accounts for the White House, President Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump and Melania Trump's official @FLOTUS account.

On his Facebook page, Pagourtzis posted a photo on April 30 that seems chilling in retrospect: a T-shirt spread out on a bed with the slogan "Born to Kill."


The same day the 17-year-old put up a photo of a trenchcoat — like the one classmates say he wore to school most days — covered with pins, including the Iron Cross, a German military medal sometimes associated with Nazis, and a symbol of a goat head that is connected to the Church of Satan.

The caption below the photo appeared to be an explanation of the meaning of some of the other pins: He captioned the photo: "Hammer and Sickle = Rebellion," "Rising Sun = Kamikaze Tactics," "Iron Cross = Bravery," "Baphomet = Evil," "Cthulhu = Power."

While posts could provide clues to Pagourtzis' interests and state of mind before he allegedly barged into a classroom and started shooting, not all of them were so darkly themed.

In one selfie from May 2, Pagourtzis wore a backwards baseball cap adorned with a pink and purple striped pin that is associated with bisexual pride, according to dozens of online retailers. In his profile photo, he wore a black hat with a white peace sign on the front.

A few details of Pagourtzis' life began to emerge in the hours after the shooting. A newspaper story showed he was on the honor roll at Santa Fe when he was a freshman. He had played on the Santa Fe junior varsity football team but was not listed on the current roster.

His family attended a Greek Orthodox church, and he participated in traditional Greek dance. One person who knew him from church said he was stunned to hear he might be involved in a horrific crime.

"He's quiet but he's harmless. He's just a regular kid, nothing unusual about him at all," he said.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 18, 2018 7:26 pm


'This can't be happening again': Parkland survivors in disbelief


On the last day of school at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, thoughts of celebration vanish as bullets fly at another high school, in Texas.

When the breaking news footage out of Texas splashed across the TV inside her high school office, student body president Julia Cordover had been hand-delivering goodbye cards to the staff on her last day of high school.

Just like that, all thoughts of celebrating disintegrated with a barrage of bullets 1,200 miles away.

As the mass shooting was unfolding at Santa Fe High School in Texas, students and teachers at another high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, couldn't help but relive the emotions of the rampage in their school three months earlier.

"I was just in disbelief," Cordover, 18, told NBC News. "I was, like, this can't be happening again. I couldn't tell if other people were seeing what I was seeing."

Fellow senior Allyson Adak heard the news a few minutes before she took her final AP exam.

"It felt like Valentine's Day all over again, and your mind wanders off when you're supposed to be concentrating on the test," said Adak. "I started feeling anxious and I started feeling sad. I was almost about to cry.

"But I knew I wasn’t alone. My friends in the room were feeling the same way."

In teacher Jeff Foster's AP government class, what was supposed to be a celebration of the seniors last day quickly turned into a painful reminder of their own horrific experiences.

"When I was watching the news on my computer, I made the conscious decision to put it on the big screen and plug in the audio," Foster said after the Texas shooting. "Everybody stopped what they were doing and watched it.

"The students all seemed to be in disbelief and angry. Watching them, you could see, looking into the kids' eyes, you could see them remembering when they had cameras in their own faces three months ago."

Law enforcement sources said nine students and one teacher were killed at Santa Fe High School in Friday's mass shooting — the highest death toll in a school shooting since the Feb. 14 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, which left 17 students and teachers dead.

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Police swarm Santa Fe High School in Texas after a shooting on Friday.Steve Gonzales / Houston Chronicle via AP
In the wake of the carnage in Parkland, a number of students launched a nationwide advocacy campaign to tackle the gun control issue and to register students to vote to take the fight directly to pro-gun politicians.

But Foster said it's going to be hard for his students to not feel shaken by the latest episode of gun violence.

"You go from saying, 'We won't let this happen ever again,' and then this happens," said Foster, whose 11-year-old and 6-year-old daughters reluctantly came to visit his school on Friday for the first time since the Feb. 14 shooting and were jarred by what they were seeing on the television news.

"What do you say now?"


Cordover said she struggled through the rest of her day, especially her last period in astronomy class — in the same room she was in when the gunfire broke out in her own school.

"Today’s my last day," she said. "We were so excited to go into today's celebrations, but this put us all in the same mood as Feb. 14. I know a bunch of us were very paranoid all day today.

"I felt it in the pit of my stomach because we still feel that pain."

On social media, several of the gun control movement's leaders expressed their outrage and sorrow:

"Santa Fe High, you didn’t deserve this," tweeted Parkland advocate Emma González. "You deserve peace all your lives, not just after a tombstone saying that is put over you. You deserve more than Thoughts and Prayers, and after supporting us by walking out we will be there to support you by raising up your voices."

Another Parkland survivor and student leader, David Hogg, said, "Get ready for two weeks of media coverage of politicians acting like they give a s--- when in reality they just want to boost their approval ratings before midterms."

And within hours of the shooting, March for Our Lives, a group founded by the students, released a statement:

Foster said a meeting planned for Saturday by gun control advocates was to discuss a voter registration drive. That meeting now is expected to take a different agenda.

Some Parkland students are already making plans to offer their support to their Santa Fe counterparts perhaps even catching a flight there, said Cordover.

"We want to show the students how they can be active, how they can use voices to speak up," she said.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:43 pm

I'm wary of even well-intentioned gun control measures, but something has to change.

Of course, social media is worthless, and most of American media, in fact, as immediately after hearing the news of the latest school shooting tragedy, the same old shit appeared predictably at every place - from Republican NRA types talking about the need for the mental health services that their party is consistently de-funding in individual states and at the federal level, as well as the reactionary left focusing on how worthless "thoughts and prayers" twitter posts are in actually effecting change.

And of course, in times like these, ideologues are quick to misread or mischaracterize any statement from the side they perceive to be in opposition to them.

And while I identify with the outrage felt by those who want SOMETHING DONE about this trend that goes beyond platitudes, I can't say I always sympathize with their rhetoric and tactics. Not because I do not understand, but because they seem ineffective or even counter-productive from my POV.

I haven't yet seen if the "crisis actors" "fake event" bullshit is taking hold, but a glance at Infowars shows that portion of the spectrum is in full damage control/manipulation mode. I don't watch videos, as I still believe in the lost art of reading, so I don't know exactly what they're saying, but the headlines say enough for me to glean an impression.

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I don't want to see metal detectors outside every school entrance, in large part because people are already unwilling to pay for basic educational needs in so many districts, let alone for this kind of enhanced security.

And I don't want to see the rights of responsible gun owners restricted.

But perhaps at this point, it is necessary for both of these things to happen.

The only other rational suggestion on the table that I have seen focuses on screening and identifying 'potential threats,' which, to me, is more totalitarian, useless and generally distasteful than any of the concrete measures that can be taken. More prone to abuse, more widespread, and just a bad fucking idea.

Better school security and better gun restrictions seems like a more reasonable solution to me than enacting a nationwide profiling system of teens greater than the ones already in place through all our existing mechanisms of society, which are many.

Like everyone else commenting on this and other similar events in recent memory, I have no 'magic bullet' solution. But to see schoolchildren murdered on a regular basis, while elected leaders take no real, consequential actions, is infuriating. And to see that words on paper about the need to own weaponry for some imagined future uprising against the government are held more sacred than the lives of the next generation, while they are being slaughtered by this weaponry, is jarring to my mind, and I think to any mind capable of honest consideration.
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Re: Spree-Killings Master Thread

Postby elfismiles » Sat May 19, 2018 9:41 am

Yep - the earliest and the worst ... with (a years layter [sic]) Kehoe name sync.

Police Dashcam - Kehoe Brothers Wilmington, Ohio Shooting - YouTube ▶ 7:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayZ_Cn0E6Qs

Sandy Hook shooting, Newtown police chief Michael Kehoe

The Most Dangerous Time of Year
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2018/03/TIME.html
"The Red Zone of April: A Dangerous Time"
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feels like that danger zone is shifting to May ... really becoming nonstop across the calendar. :(


NaturalMystik » 18 May 2018 18:13 wrote:Felt compelled to look into historical events for this day. Came across this FWIW:

May 18 1927 - Bath School Disaster, Bath MI. Andrew Kehoe blows up Bath Consolidated School killing 38 children, 2 teachers.
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Postby elfismiles » Sat May 19, 2018 9:46 am

agree with mentalgongfu2 wholeheartedly ... which is to say, something has to change, I don't like the things suggested but ... something has to change.
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