Greenwald: Today in Endless War

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Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby barracuda » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:23 pm

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Today in Endless War
By Glenn Greenwald

As usual, there are multiple events from just the last 24 hours vividly highlighting the nature of America's ongoing -- and escalating -- posture of Endless War:

(1) In December, 2009, President Obama spoke at West Point and, while announcing his decision to (yet again) deploy more troops to Afghanistan, he assured the nation in a much-heralded vow that "after 18 months, our troops will begin to come home." He repeated that claim in May, 2010, prompting headlines declaring that Obama has set July, 2011 as the target date for when "withdrawal" from Afghanistan will begin. Now we're less than two weeks away from that target, and The New York Times today makes clear what "withdrawal" actually means:


    President Obama plans to announce his decision on the scale and pace of troop withdrawals from Afghanistan in a speech on Wednesday evening . . . Mr. Obama is considering options that range from a Pentagon-backed proposal to pull out only 5,000 troops this year to an aggressive plan to withdraw within 12 months all 30,000 troops the United States deployed to Afghanistan as part of the surge in December 2009.. . . .

    Even after all 30,000 troops are withdrawn, roughly 68,000 troops will remain in Afghanistan, twice the number as when Mr. Obama assumed office.

So even under the most "aggressive" withdrawal plan the President is considering -- one that he and media outlets will undoubtedly tout as a "withdrawal plan" (the headline on the NYT front page today: "Obama to Announce Plans for Afghan Pullout") -- there will still be "twice the number" of American troops in that country as there were when George Bush left office and Obama was inaugurated. That's what "withdrawal" means in American political parlance: doubling the number of troops fighting a foreign war over the course of four years.



(2) So frivolous and lawless are Obama's excuses for waging war in Libya in violation of the War Powers Resolution that they have provoked incredibly harsh condemnations even from those who typically defend the President. In The Washington Post today, Eugene Robinson aggressively denounces Obama's arguments for waging war without Congress:


    Let’s be honest: President Obama's claim that U.S. military action in Libya doesn’t constitute "hostilities" is nonsense, and Congress is right to call him on it.

    Blasting dictator Moammar Gaddafi’s troops and installations from above with unmanned drone aircraft may or may not be the right thing to do, but it's clearly a hostile act. Likewise, providing intelligence, surveillance and logistical support that enable allied planes to attack Gaddafi's military -- and, increasingly, to target Gaddafi himself -- can only be considered hostile. These are acts of war.

    Yet Obama, with uncommon disregard for both language and logic, takes the position that what we are doing in Libya does not reach the "hostilities" threshold for triggering the War Powers Act, under which presidents must seek congressional approval for any military campaign lasting more than 90 days. House Speaker John Boehner said Obama's claim doesn't meet the "straight-face test," and he's right. . . .

    Most important, what are we doing there? Are we in Libya for altruistic or selfish reasons? Principles or oil? Assuming Gaddafi is eventually deposed or killed, then what? Do we just sail away? Or will we be stuck with yet another ruinously expensive exercise in nation building?

    There's also a moral question to consider. The advent of robotic drone aircraft makes it easier to wage war without suffering casualties. But without risk, can military action even be called war? Or is it really just slaughter?


Afghan War advocate Andrew Exum similarly condemns Obama's attempt to justify violation of the WPR as "simply one of the stupidest things I've read in some time" and -- echoing Robinson -- proclaims that "it does not pass the laugh test." And in The New York Times, Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman explains that, through their lawyer-cherry-picking, "the White House has shattered the traditional legal process the executive branch has developed to sustain the rule of law over the past 75 years," and adds:


    From a moral perspective, there is a significant difference between authorizing torture and continuing a bombing campaign that may save thousands of Libyans from slaughter by Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. But from a legal viewpoint, Mr. Obama is setting an even worse precedent.

    Although Mr. Yoo's memos made a mockery of the applicable law, they at least had the approval of the Office of Legal Counsel. In contrast, Mr. Obama's decision to disregard that office's opinion and embrace the White House counsel's view is undermining a key legal check on arbitrary presidential power.

And it's always worth recalling that this is being done by a President who made restoration of "the rule of law" a centerpiece of his campaign.



(3) In Mother Jones, NYU Law School's Karen Greenberg notes a trend that was as predictable as it is destructive: rather than signal an end to the "War on Terror," the killing of Osama bin Laden has been seized upon by the bipartisan National Security State -- led by the Obama administration -- to expand its posture of Endless War and accelerate its assault on civil liberties. Citing multiple examples subsequent to the bin Laden killing, she correctly observes:


    The Obama administration and Congress have interpreted the killing of al-Qaeda's leader as a virtual license to double down on every "front" in the war on terror. . . . One thing could not be doubted. The administration was visibly using the bin Laden moment to renew George W. Bush's Global War on Terror (even if without that moniker). . . . In other words, Washington now seems to be engaged in a wholesale post-bin Laden ratification of business as usual, but this time on steroids.

One of the more absurd (though, as a matter of hope, understandable) claims I've heard in quite awhile was that the killing of bin Laden would trigger a reduction in the abuses of the War on Terror -- as though bin Laden was truly the cause of those abuses rather than the pretext for them. The morning after the bin Laden killing, I wrote the following, addressing those optimistically proclaiming its likely benefits:


    Are we going to fight fewer wars or end the ones we've started? Are we going to see a restoration of some of the civil liberties which have been eroded at the altar of this scary Villain Mastermind? Is the War on Terror over? Are we Safer now?

    Those are rhetorical questions. None of those things will happen. If anything, I can much more easily envision the reverse. Whenever America uses violence in a way that makes its citizens cheer, beam with nationalistic pride, and rally around their leader, more violence is typically guaranteed. Futile decade-long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may temporarily dampen the nationalistic enthusiasm for war, but two shots to the head of Osama bin Laden -- and the We are Great and Good proclamations it engenders -- can easily rejuvenate that war love. One can already detect the stench of that in how Pakistan is being talked about: did they harbor bin Laden as it seems and, if so, what price should they pay? We're feeling good and strong about ourselves again -- and righteous -- and that's often the fertile ground for more, not less, aggression.

Read Greenberg's piece, including the numerous examples she examines, to see if there's any doubt that this is exactly what is happening.



(4) The war in Libya is starting to resemble virtually every other war: commenced with claimed humanitarian justifications; supported by well-meaning people convinced by the stated, official objectives; hailed as a short and easy task ("days, not weeks"); and then warped into a bloody, protracted conflict far from the original claims and without any real end in sight. Earlier this week, one of the war's most vocal supporters, Juan Cole, produced a list he entitled "Top Ten Mistakes in the Libya War," including Obama's failure to get Congressional approval, that "NATO has focused on a ‘shock and awe’ strategy of pounding the capital, Tripoli," and that "NATO put its emphasis on taking out command and control in the capital instead of vigorously protecting civilian cities under attack."

Perhaps that's because "vigorously protecting civilians" was the pretext for the war, not the actual aim. Yesterday, NATO admitted it killed multiple civilians -- apparently including children -- by bombing a house in a residential area. It's difficult to know exactly how many civilians NATO has killed thus far because Western armies don't count their victims and the Gadaffi government's claims are obviously unreliable, but whatever is true -- including the fact that such killings are not intended -- they are the inevitable by-product of invading and bombing other countries. The logic of war ensures that almost every conflict becomes more and more about such killing and less and less about the original lofty excuses for why they were started.

It's thus not a surprise that 39 neocons -- hilariously calling themselves "foreign policy experts" (including John Podhoretz, Liz Cheney, Gary Bauer, Marty Peretz, Karl Rove, Marc Theissen, and Bill Kristol) -- issued a letter yesterday urging steadfast support for (and escalation of) the Libya War. Lofty justifications notwithstanding, this is exactly what they favor: long-term, endless domination of the Muslim world through military force and control over their governments. That's what the war in Libya, intended or not, has become.



(5) Perhaps most amazingly of all, this policy of Endless War endures even as official Washington inexorably plans -- in the midst of still-booming economic inequality and suffering -- to slash entitlements in the name of austerity. Bizarrely, while more and more Republicans continue to recognize the growing foreign policy split in their Party (Ross Douthat and Joe Scarborough are the latest to side with the "isolationists" against the war-mongering neocons), many establishment liberals seem to be laying the groundwork for those cuts. Yesterday, Matt Yglesias said he was "disillusioned" by alarmism over vast income inequality because, he assured everyone, things aren't particularly good for the super-rich; meanwhile Digby -- in a piece highly worth reading -- examines how some liberal pundits (her example is Ezra Klein) seem to be doing the GOP's work (and, more significantly, the White House's) in (unwittingly or otherwise) justifying entitlement cuts.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:39 pm

A stopped clock can be right at least several times(hence why I cautiously am posting this, as it dovetails with precisely what Greenwald is talking about)

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby justdrew » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:04 pm

it's not WW3 until a carrier sinks.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby wintler2 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:42 pm

Its not WW3 until the middle class gets drafted.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:43 pm

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It's not WW3 until a nuclear weapon is used on an enemy city.

Which is to say, it's been WW3 since August 6, 1945. It was a nuclear war and a long series of hot wars around the world, and for propaganda reasons they called it cold.

I'd say by then WW4 had started, but you can argue for an interregnum (with a few new wars) until an "official" start on Sept. 11, 2001. Conceptually this one is best called by its original name on CNN: "America's New War." One war, in perpetual search of new enemies.

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:33 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

It's not WW3 until a nuclear weapon is used on an enemy city.

Which is to say, it's been WW3 since August 6, 1945. It was a nuclear war and a long series of hot wars around the world, and for propaganda reasons they called it cold.

I'd say by then WW4 had started, but you can argue for an interregnum (with a few new wars) until an "official" start on Sept. 11, 2001. Conceptually this one is best called by its original name on CNN: "America's New War." One war, in perpetual search of new enemies.

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It's because Alex Jones is sadly one of the few personalities up there who puts all the various moving parts going on together and is able to put it together in a way that is more exciting to people than the usual low gravel monotone boring'ness of an NPR host at 2 in the morning. Obviously I like Jeremy Scahill, PDS, Greenwald, Pilger, etc a lot more.
I pretty much think AJ though accomplishes slam dunks now and then, such as this piece on the real truth of al Qaeda
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I obviously don't agree with a lot of AJ says or concludes(least on issues of climate change, the border, etc) But when it comes to war, and especially terrorim I think he can be spot on. Hell most the left won't even touch the truth of so called Islamist terrorism.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:25 am

I thought it was still ww1.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:02 am


Glenn Greenwald: Could Obama Be Impeached for Waging War in Libya Without Approval of Congress? VIDEO

The New York Times recently broke the story that President Obama rejected the views of top administration lawyers when he decided he had the legal authority to continue U.S. military participation in the war in Libya without congressional authorization. Obama continues to face congressional opposition to the ongoing Libya attack. Republican House Speaker John Boehner has called on the White House to further clarify the legal basis for the war in Libya or face a cutoff of war funds. Last week, a bipartisan group of lawmakers filed a lawsuit accusing President Obama of violating the War Powers Act of 1973. To examine the legal dimensions of U.S. military intervention, we speak with Glenn Greenwald, a constitutional law attorney and political and legal blogger for Salon.com. “The idea that presidents can start wars on their own, without any congressional authorization, violates not just the law but the Constitution,” Greenwald said. “In theory, when the president violates the law and the Constitution, that’s an impeachable offense. At the same time, we’ve set a very low standard for our tolerance of rampant presidential law breaking.” [includes rush transcript]
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http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/6/ ... _impeached



Monday, Jun 20, 2011 09:21 ET
Glenn Greenwald
Public opinion and Endless War
By Glenn Greenwald


(updated below)

Sen. Lindsey Graham, yesterday, Meet the Press, to those questioning the war in Libya:

Congress should sort of shut up and not empower Qadhafi.

Sen. John Kerry, May 8, 2011, Face the Nation, to those questioning what happened during the bin Laden killing:

We need to shut up and move on about, you know, the realities of what happened in that building.

Bill Kristol, February 21, 2007, Fox News Sunday, to those questioning the "surge" in Iraq

It's so irresponsible that they can't be quiet for six or nine months and say the president has made a decision. . . .so let's give it a chance to work.

Joe Lieberman, December 7, 2005, Senate floor, to Iraq War critics:

It’s time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril.

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These demands that the nation's continuous use of war and violence not even be questioned are easy to understand. The nature of being an empire entails not only ruling the world through force, but also ensuring that the Emperor's decrees and actions cannot be meaningfully challenged at home. That's why the controversy over Obama's refusal to seek Congressional approval for the war in Libya matters: this is an unpopular war, and requiring him to obtain approval preserves at least some residual democratic process -- not just for this war but also future ones.

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Beyond the desire to render democratic opinion irrelevant, there is another, more specific reason why war advocates so frequently insist that critics should "shut up": because the policies they are implementing are so ludicrous and indefensible and redound to the benefit of a tiny sliver of the population. They can't be sustained if there is debate and examination over them.

Today, The New York Times describes the "growth market" for drones: at a time when Washington conspires to reduce basic entitlements based on alarmist warnings over the deficit, "the Pentagon has asked Congress for nearly $5 billion for drones next year" -- that includes dramatic increases in the number, types and uses of those weapons. The NYT says this "explosion" is "transforming the way America fights and thinks about its wars": note how the notion that the U.S. fights multiple "wars" at all times is just a given. In particular, the NYT correctly notes that the proliferation of drones will also certainly make wars more likely, given the perception that they are cost-free (at least to Americans, but not, of course, to the increasing number of countries bombed by sky robots). That is another reason to care about the debate over Libya: if Obama succeeds in entrenching the notion that drone attacks are not "wars" or even "hostilities," he and future presidents will be able to bomb other countries with even fewer constraints than they have now.

This state of Endless War continues despite the fact that, as a new poll shows, 72% of Americans believe the U.S. is fighting too many wars. The poll itself is revealingly amusing: in what other country could that question -- are we fighting too many wars? -- even be meaningfully asked? It's also striking that almost 3 out of 4 Americans -- not exactly renown around the world for being war-shy -- believe the U.S. is fighting too many wars given that their country is ruled by a recent Nobel Peace Prize winner.

But what is shown by the results of that poll is that the war policies which America's political elites shield from public debate are extremely and increasingly unpopular. Indeed, a recent Pew poll revealed that there are roughly equal majorities across the ideological spectrum in favor of greater "isolationism" and a "reduction of overseas military commitments." Yet the political class and the private National Security State which unimaginably profit from these wars are able to propagate those policies with no end in sight; a NYT article this morning about efforts this week t0 restrict spending for the Libya War provide a glimpse into how that is managed:

Any measures to end or reduce financing for the military’s involvement in the NATO-led airstrikes in Libya are likely to divide members of Congress. They are split in both the House and Senate between two slightly incongruous alliances: antiwar Democrats and Republicans who are angry about the usurping of Congressional authority, and Democrats who do not wish to go against the president, joined by hawkish Republicans who strongly support America’s role in Libya.

As is true for the war in Afghanistan and Obama's Bush-Cheney-mimicking Terrorism policies, this is the coalition that serves as the Democratic President's key allies: partisan loyalists unwilling to contradict their party's President no matter what he does, and "hawkish" Republicans who are always pro-war and eager to live under an unrestrained Executive. That is the faction that serves the private defense industry, enables Obama to do what he wants in these realms, and shields these policies from examination. But the linchpin of those efforts is to ensure that public opinion remains irrelevant in deciding when, why and how often America wages war. These "shut up" moments are unusual only in that they are candid expressions of that pervasive mindset.

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I was on Democracy Now this morning discussing Obama and Libya and several other related matters. That segment can be viewed here:

http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/6/ ... _impeached

UPDATE: Speaking of efforts to stifle criticisms, Matt Yglesias cites a poll taken at this weekend's Netroots Nation convention in order to claim that "the proximate problem faced by would-be left-wing critics of President Obama is that they generally have much less credibility with the progressive constituency than the president does himself." But the poll he cites finds that -- at a convention filled with little other than Democratic Party activists, whose overarching political objective by their own description is to elect Democratic politicians -- only 27% "strongly approve" of Obama; 53% approve only "somewhat," while 20% express some form of disapproval (strong or somewhat).

Contrary to Yglesias' belief and/or desire, a poll of hard-core Democrats that finds that only 27% "strongly approve" of their own Party's president is hardly some sign that criticisms of him are unwelcome and lack credibility: quite the opposite. It's hardly a surprise that when given a binary choice by Gallup of approve/disapprove, the vast majority of self-identified partisans ("Democrats") will say they "approve" of their party's President -- that's little more than a tribal litmus test to declare which side you're on -- but both polls show a substantial constituency of some degree of dissatisfaction. Other polls not cited by Yglesias undercut his claim even more:

President Barack Obama emerges from a bruising midterm election with uncertain prospects for the next one in 2012, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

Nearly half of his own base -- 45 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents -- want someone to challenge him for the Democratic nomination, according to the poll. . . .

His political problems start with his own base.

Among Democrats, 41 percent want someone to challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination, while 51 percent don't.

Moreover, a majority of Democratic-leaning independents, 56 percent, want him challenged, while 33 percent don't.

Among pro-Democratic voters who want him challenged: pluralities of women, voters younger than 45, and those without a college degree.

It's pretty difficult to maintain that Obama's critics lack credibility among his base with numbers like that. Moreover, an expression of general "approval" for the President is not a sign someone is unsympathetic to criticisms or find them lacking credibility; one can agree with even intense criticisms of specific actions yet still "approve" overall. Indeed, I suspect that many left-wing critics of the President would also, if asked, say they "somewhat approve" of Obama overall.

There certainly are a lot of people who expend a lot of time and energy trying to prove that Obama's left-wing critics represent only a tiny, fringe minority. The time and energy spent on that project rather clearly negates the authenticity of that ostensible belief.

http://www.salon.com/news/libya/?story= ... /democracy


Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 06:23 ET
The true definition of "Terrorist"
By Glenn Greenwald


In late May, two Iraqi nationals, who were in the U.S. legally, were arrested in Kentucky and indicted on a variety of Terrorism crimes. In The Washington Post today, GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell -- writing under the headline: "Guantanamo is the place to try terrorists" -- castigates Attorney General Eric Holder for planning to try the two defendants in a civilian court on U.S. soil rather than shipping them to Guantanamo.

To make his case, the war-loving-but-never-fighting McConnell waves the flag of cowardly manufactured fear that is both his hallmark and the hallmark of uniquely American political rhetoric on Terrorism ("my constituents do not think that civilian judges and jurors in their community should be subjected to the risk of reprisal for participating in a terrorist trial"); relies on the ignoble example of Chuck Schumer and other New York Democrats who demanded that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not be tried in Manhattan; and, as usual, issues vacant cries of war-uber-alles to justify abandonment of basic legal safeguards ("our top priority in battling terrorism should be to find, capture and detain or kill those who would do us harm"). Along the way, McConnell -- as most right-wing politicians are now forced to do given the continuity with Bush 43 -- praises Obama's overall national security approach:

The administration has shown admirable flexibility in making decisions concerning national security and has shown that it is willing, on occasion, to put safety over ideology. President Obama launched a counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan, ignored calls to hastily withdraw from Iraq and recently agreed to extend the Patriot Act without weakening its provisions or making them harder to use.

Indeed, the Kentucky Republican ends his Op-Ed with an appeal to Obama's "flexibility"; the President, he urges, should "let Holder know that our civilian courts are off-limits to foreign fighters captured in the war on terrorism."

McConnell's criticism of Holder is patently absurd; the very idea that we should start rounding up people who are legally on U.S. soil and shipping them to Guantanamo -- rather than trying them in a real court -- is menacing, and the fear he invokes (they'll kill us if we put them on trial) is as fictitious as it is cowardly. But far more interesting than McConnell's trite fear-mongering is the notion that these two individuals are "Terrorists." Just as McConnell's Op-Ed did, in all the reporting thus far on this case, the fact that their alleged acts constitutes Terrorism has been tacitly assumed (AP: "2 Iraqis charged in Ky. with terrorism plotting"; ABC News: "Kentucky Terror Case"; Politico: "McConnell: Get Terror Case out of Kentucky").

But look at what they're actually accused of doing. Those above-linked news reports as well as the unsealed indictment make clear that there are two separate categories of acts forming the basis for these allegations. The first is that one of the men, Waad Ramadan Alwan, admitted to working with the "Iraqi insurgency" to attack American troops during the first three years of the war. From the indictment (click on image to enlarge):

It was that activity which the FBI trumpeted when announcing the indictments:

WASHINGTON—An Iraqi citizen who allegedly carried out numerous improvised explosive device (IED) attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq and another Iraqi national alleged to have participated in the insurgency in Iraq have been arrested and indicted on federal terrorism charges in the Western District of Kentucky. . . .

According to the charging documents, the FBI has been able to identify two latent fingerprints belonging to Alwan on a component of an unexploded IED that was recovered by U.S. forces near Bayji, Iraq. . . . Alwan had also allegedly told the CHS how he had used a particular brand of cordless telephone base station in IEDs. Alwan’s fingerprints were allegedly found on this particular brand of cordless base station in the IED that was recovered in Iraq.

The second set of acts involves a plot apparently concocted by the FBI, and then presented to Alwan through the use of an informant, to ship weapons and money to "Al Qaeda in Iraq." I realize that the very mention of the phrase "Al Qaeda" is supposed to stop the brain of all Decent People, but as even AP acknowledges, that group is little more than an insurgency group specific to Iraq, devoted to attacking foreign troops in their country:

Neither is charged with plotting attacks within the United States . . . . Their arrests come after FBI Director Robert Mueller said in February that his agency was taking a fresh look at Iraqi nationals in the U.S. who had ties to al-Qaida's offshoot in Iraq. The group had not previously been considered a threat in the U.S.

Indeed, the FBI -- in touting the plot they created and induced Alwan to become part of -- acknowledged that the plot was devoted exclusively to attacking U.S. troops in Iraq, not civilians:

Over the course of roughly eight years, Waad Ramadan Alwan allegedly supported efforts to kill U.S. troops in Iraq, first by participating in the construction and placement of improvised explosive devices in Iraq and, more recently, by attempting to ship money and weapons from the United States to insurgents in Iraq. His co-defendant, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, is accused of many of the same activities, said Todd Hinnen, Acting Assistant Attorney General for National Security.

According to the charging documents, beginning in September 2010, Alwan expressed interest in helping the [confidential human source] CHS provide support to terrorists in Iraq. The CHS explained that he shipped money and weapons to the mujahidin in Iraq by secreting them in vehicles sent from the United States. Thereafter, Alwan allegedly participated in operations with the CHS to provide money, weapons -- including machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, Stinger missiles, and C4 plastic explosives -- as well as IED diagrams and advice on the construction of IEDs to what he believed were the mujahidin attacking U.S. troops in Iraq.

There is no suggestion in any of these reports or documents, not even a hint, that either of the accused ever tried to stage any attacks in the U.S. or target civilians either in the U.S. or Iraq. Leaving aside the fact that this seems to be yet another case where the FBI manufacturers its own plots which they entrap people into joining, and then praises itself for stopping them, the alleged crimes here are confined entirely to past attacks on U.S. invading forces in their country and current efforts to aid those waging such attacks now.

One can have a range of views about the morality and justifiability of Iraqi nationals attacking U.S. troops in their country. One could say that it is the right of Iraqis to attack a foreign army brutally invading and occupying their nation, just as Americans would presumably do against a foreign army invading their country (at least those who don't share Mitch McConnell's paralyzing fears and cowardice). Or one could say that it is inherently wrong and evil to attack U.S. troops no matter what they're doing or where they are in the world, even when waging war in a foreign country that is killing large numbers of innocent civilians. Or one could say that the American war in Iraq in particular was such a noble effort to spread Freedom and Democracy that only an evil person would fight against it. Or one could say that it's always wrong for a non-state actor to engage in violence (a very convenient standard for the U.S., given that very few nations around the world could resist U.S. force without reliance on such unconventional means). And one can recognize that most nations, not only the U.S., would apprehend those engaged in attacks against their troops.

But whatever one's views are on those moral questions, in what conceivable sense can it be called "Terrorism" for a citizen of a country to fight against foreign invading troops by attacking purely military targets? This is hardly the first case where we have condemned as Terrorists citizens of countries we invaded for fighting back against invading American troops. The U.S. shipped numerous people to Guantanamo, branded them Terrorists, and put them in cages for years without charges for doing exactly that (indeed, the Obama administration prosecuted at Guantanamo the first child soldier tried for war crimes, Omar Khadr, for throwing a grenade at U.S. troops in Afghanistan).

I've often written that Terrorism is the most meaningless, and thus most manipulated, term in American political discourse. But while it lacks any objective meaning, it does have a functional one. It means: anyone -- especially of the Muslim religion and/or Arab nationality -- who fights against the United States and its allies or tries to impede their will. That's what "Terrorism" is; that's all it means. And it's just extraordinary how we've created what we call "law" that is intended to do nothing other than justify all acts of American violence while delegitimizing, criminalizing, and converting into Terrorism any acts of resistance to that violence.

Just consider: in American political discourse, it's not remotely criminal that the U.S. attacked Iraq, spent 7 years destroying the country, and left at least 100,000 people dead. To even suggest that American officials responsible for that attack should be held criminally liable is to marginalize oneself as a fringe and unSerious radical. It's not an idea that's even heard, let alone accepted. After all, all Good Patriotic Americans were horrified that an Iraqi citizen would so much as throw a shoe at George Bush; what did he do to deserve such treatment? The U.S. is endowed with the inalienable right to commit violence against anyone it wants without any consequences of any kind.

By contrast, any Iraqi who fights back in any way against the U.S. invasion -- even by fighting against exclusively military targets -- is not only a criminal, but a Terrorist: one who should be shipped to Guantanamo. And this notion is so engrained that no media account discussing this case would dare question the application of the "Terrorism" label to what they've done, even though it applies in no conceivable way.

One sees the same manipulative dynamic at play in how the U.S. freely tries to kill foreign leaders of countries it attacks. The U.S. repeatedly tried to kill Saddam at the start of the Iraq War, and -- contrary to Obama's early pledges -- has done the same to Gadaffi in Libya. NATO has explicitly declared Gadaffi to be a "legitimate target." But just imagine if an Iraqi had come to the U.S. and attempted to bomb the White House or kill George Bush, or if a Libyan (or Afghan, Pakistani, or Yemeni) did the same to Obama. Would anyone in American political circles be allowed to suggest that this was a legitimate act of war? Of course not: screaming "Terrorism!" would be the only acceptable reaction.

It's hardly unusual that an empire declares that its violence and aggression are inherently legitimate, and that any resistance to it -- or the very same acts aimed at it -- are inherently illegitimate. That double-standard decree, more or less, is a defining feature of an empire. But the nationalistic conceit that all of that is justified by coherent, consistent principles of "law" -- or can be resolved by meaningful application of terms such as "Terrorism" -- is really too ludicrous to endure.

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby crikkett » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:44 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

It's not WW3 until a nuclear weapon is used on an enemy city.


DH was telling me last night how he had no cultural guilt over dropping nukes on Japan.

He was taught that Japan's imperialism would not stop at US borders. The fight was to the death and the war was so close, it could have turned in favor of either Germany or Japan... and if the Allies lost, he said, who knows what would have happened (he was taught that a war between Axis powers was one possibility).

Japanese prisoners and occupied populations were treated worse than their German counterparts and it was horrifying. Japanese citizens were completely brainwashed, not just propagandized like we were.

He was taught that the alternative to dropping nukes was to invade Japan and fight each man/woman/child at a tremendous cost to Allied lives: we'd already captured outlying islands and were gearing up to invade the main island. It would have been a nigh impossible task, taking islands, oceans, mountains, all of the most difficult objectives.

What happened though was that two bombs were dropped and the war ended with no further loss of American lives.

And, he reiterated, it was a very, very close contest.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:39 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:I thought it was still ww1.


You know the Napoleonic war never really ended.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:23 pm

New York Fed Refuses To Disclose Data On "The Largest Theft Of Funds In National History" Which Could Be Three Times Larger Than Expected
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/22/2011

A week ago we reported on the case of the "The Largest Theft Of Funds In National History" or the missing $6.6 billion in Iraq war reconstruction funding, which was literally composed of "shrink-wrapped bricks of $100 bills", which was part of a $20 billion total in "Marshall Plan" investment meant to stimulate the post-war economy. When discussing this so far undisclosed cash loss, "Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an office created by Congress, said the missing $6.6 billion may be "the largest theft of funds in national history." Two new developments have emerged in this fascinating story. The first, as CNBCs Eamon Javers reports is that "The New York Fed is refusing to tell investigators how many billions of dollars it shipped to Iraq during the early days of the US invasion there." Javers adds: "The Fed's lack of disclosure is making it difficult for the inspector general to follow the paper trail of billions of dollars that went missing in the chaotic rush to finance the Iraq occupation, and to determine how much of that money was stolen." Well, for what it's worth, we may have an estimate of this largest war theft ever: talking to Al Jazeera, "Osama al-Nujaifi, the Iraqi parliament speaker, has told Al Jazeera that the amount of Iraqi money unaccounted for by the US is $18.7bn - three times more than the reported $6.6bn." If indeed the total theft amounts to virtually the entire amount of reconstruction spending that could possibly explain why the Fed is so coy in discussing this issue. Alas, just like the Fed's multitrillion bailout of the financial system, it is unlikely it will be able to keep the topic from reemerging, and that very soon - al-Nujaifi adds: "There is a lot of money missing during the first American administration of Iraqi money in the first year of occupation. "Iraq's development fund has lost around $18bn of Iraqi money in these operations - their location is unknown. Also missing are the documents of expenditure. "I think it will be discussed soon. There should be an answer to where has Iraqi money gone." Who will be the next Mark Pittman to sue the New York Fed to get the required information on how much cash the FRBNY was complicit in "disappearing" - we can't wait to find out.
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Missing Iraq cash 'as high as $18bn'
Iraq's parliament speaker tells Al Jazeera unaccounted reconstruction money is three times the reported $6.6bn.

Last Modified: 19 Jun 2011 07:08

Osama al-Nujaifi, the Iraqi parliament speaker, has told Al Jazeera that the amount of Iraqi money unaccounted for by the US is $18.7bn - three times more than the reported $6.6bn.

Just before departing for a visit to the US, al-Nujaifi said that he has received a report this week based on information from US and Iraqi auditors that the amount of money withdrawn from a fund from Iraqi oil proceeds, but unaccounted for, is much more than the $6.6bn reported missing last week.

"There is a lot of money missing during the first American administration of Iraqi money in the first year of occupation.

"Iraq's development fund has lost around $18bn of Iraqi money in these operations - their location is unknown. Also missing are the documents of expenditure.

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The Bush administration flew in a total of $20bn in cash into the country in 2004. This was money that had come from Iraqi oil sales, surplus funds from the UN oil-for-food programme and seized Iraqi assets. Officials in Iraq were supposed to give out the money to Iraqi ministries and US contractors, intended for the reconstruction of the country.

The Los Angeles Times reported last week that Iraqi officials argue that the US government was supposed to safeguard the stash under a 2004 legal agreement it signed with Iraq, hence making Washington responsible for the cash that has disappeared.

Pentagon officials have contended for the last six years that they could account for the money if given enough time to track down the records. The US has audited the money three times, but has still not been able to say exactly where it went.

Al Jazeera's Iraq correspondent, Jane Arraf, reporting from Baghdad, said: "It's an absolutely astonishing figure - this goes back to 2003 and 2004.


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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:29 pm

8bitagent wrote:It's because Alex Jones is sadly one of the few personalities up there who puts all the various moving parts going on together and is able to put it together in a way that is more exciting to people than the usual low gravel monotone boring'ness of an NPR host at 2 in the morning. Obviously I like Jeremy Scahill, PDS, Greenwald, Pilger, etc a lot more.
I pretty much think AJ though accomplishes slam dunks now and then, such as this piece on the real truth of al Qaeda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8txxny-E7w

I obviously don't agree with a lot of AJ says or concludes(least on issues of climate change, the border, etc) But when it comes to war, and especially terrorim I think he can be spot on. Hell most the left won't even touch the truth of so called Islamist terrorism.


I agree with the entirity of this statement, and feel the same. Every part and bit.
p.s.- and of course Greenwald/OP is on point.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:41 pm

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Sigh, six years since I wrote the following riff on the original news stories about the C-130s loaded with Iraqi cash.

The key with this money was that it never belonged to anyone but the Iraqis. That made it absolutely plunderable. There was no way it was ever going to survive.

Interesting by the way that Darrell Issa issued his Maoist statement, that Iraq should repay the US for the costs of the war, now that it has been "liberated," last week. (I say Maoist because it's like the Chinese state demanding that the families of executed prisoners pay the costs of the bullet that murdered them.) Hard not to see that as an intentional distraction; easy to imagine Issa's involved in the plunder on some level, likely doing a favor for a friend there.

Another distraction back at the time was the Republicans' fake oil-for-food scandal where they tried to smear the UN, Russia and favored targets like George Galloway for somehow profiting off the program as payoff from Saddam for their opposition to war. (The Galloway part was completely faked, his name was clumsily photoshopped on to a list of contractors.) And at the same time as that nonsense, the actual oil-for-food money had been held in escrow by the Federal Reserve, to be loaded on to planes in the form of cash, to be disappeared altogether.


http://www.911truth.org/article_for_pri ... 5010121987

Wednesday, August 24 2005 - 9/11 Consequences

The Plunder Never Ends

So this is how the US government does business!

Cash from the New York Federal Reserve is loaded on to C-130s and shipped to Bagdad -- to the tune of $12 billion since the start of the US occupation of Iraq in March 2003.

The money originally came from Iraqi oil sales under Saddam and was held in trust under the rules of the UN oil sales program. Now it is handed out to Iraqi and US government contractors in the form of cash. Or "candy," as Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) puts it.

In the end, $8.8 billion can no longer be accounted for. And the Pentagon acknowledges Halliburton "requested that information in the audits be withheld" from the Congressional subpoena, "including allegations that the firm had spent too much money in purchasing fuel."

"By law, contractors can request that the government withhold any proprietary information from release."

Interesting law, when corporations can decide information about their public contracts is proprietary.

But anyway, it's all just "pocket change," says an e-mail circulating at the Fed.
(See article: "Worries Raised on Handling of Funds in Iraq," Los Angeles Times, June 22, 2005.)

And who can argue with that?

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:09 pm

I am sure with deficts and service cuts looming, Obama and Eric Holder are all over this!
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:37 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:I thought it was still ww1.


You know the Napoleonic war never really ended.

Actually, this crew has been waging war on the rest of us since William the Conqueror.
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