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Postby chump » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:24 am

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Ted L. Gunderson, Former FBI Bureau Chief, Passed Away on Sunday, July 31, 2011 at Age 82
From Ken Adachi, Editor
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tedgunde ... ug11.shtml
August 1, 2011

Ted L. Gunderson, Former FBI Bureau Chief, Passed Away on Sunday, July 31, 2011 at Age 82 (Aug. 1, 2011)

I received an e-mail from a person named Linda this morning informing me that Ted Gunderson had passed away yesterday, Sunday, July 31, 2011. I called Ted's daughter Lori and she confirmed that her father died yesterday. Ted had been hospitalized at Cedar-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles for the past couple of weeks. Ted was receiving treatment for cancer from an alternative health clinic in Costa Mesa, California in recent months, but he encountered a difficulty that required hospitalization. What followed after that is a long story which I won't go into here, but suffice it to say that his demise was more a consequence of kidney failure rather than cancer. Ted would have turned 83 had he lived until November 7 of this year.

When I find out details of Ted's funeral and/or wake arrangements, I will post them immediately.

Ted Gunderson was a wonderful, caring, and giving person. Since his retirement from the FBI in 1979, he had devoted his life to helping those least able to fend for themselves and get out their stories of satanic ritual abuse and government-sponsored secret operations including mind control, child abduction, sexual abuse of children, sexual enslavement, human trafficking, auctioning of children and the use of kidnapped children for secret experimentation and ritual murder.

I'll write a separate article detailing Ted's post-retirement efforts to alert the public to the dark underside of our government intelligence agencies, especially the CIA, and their hat in glove relationship with powerful politicians and elite family bloodlines to victimize and abuse the most vulnerable and least capable of defending themselves: women and children.

Because Ted had risen to such a high position of prominence with the FBI, and because he was not shy about appearing on television or at conferences, always willing to name names, Ted was targeted for a multi-pronged smear & discredit campaign over the internet that was launched roughly in the early Spring of 2000 with the Art Bell case and continued until the very end with the ludicrous statements and accusations leveled by a redoubtable dentist who decided to throw away his reputation, career, and respectability over a leggy blonde.

Those who were on the receiving end of Ted's caring nature know full well the measure of his character and will never forget the comfort and sense of security delivered by Ted Gunderson at a time when they were most in need of a helping hand.

God bless Ted Gunderson. He had done a wonderful job in serving the cause of humanity and his name will be recalled for many years to come as a champion of justice and defender of the weak and defenseless.

If anyone wishes to send condolence letters or cards, you can send them to his daughter Lori at:

Ted Gunderson
6230-A Wilshire Blvd. #6
Los Angeles, CA 90048

(note: this is the ONLY address to use when sending mail or donations to Ted's family. Any other address listed at other web sites soliciting donations on behalf of Ted Gunderson are not authorized or sanctioned by Ted's family.

Ted's daughter Lori told me that she did not authorize Ted Gunderson's webmaster at tedgunderson.net to change Ted's mailing address to "Tiny Stars" of Malibu, California and that any donations or mail being sent to Tiny Stars is NOT being forwarded to Ted's family. Only Ted Gunderson' daughter, Lori, has access to the address shown above and she is not in contact or communication with Ted's webmaster. If you wish to support Ted Gunderson's family, then please address all communications to the above listed address--and no other)

If you wish to send an e-mail to Ted's family, send me an e-mail with the words "Ted Gunderson condolence" in the subject line and I will forward your e-mail to Ted's daughter's, Lori.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:32 am

tedgunderson.net crashed my Firefox browser when I visited - suggest apply high security settings!

It has been quite a while since my 'spider sense' jangled - that TinyStars site really gives me the shivers.

I dont know what to make of Gunderson - the most memorable description of him was as the FBI's answer to Inspector Clouseau.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby fruhmenschen » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:10 pm

I first discovered the name Ted Gunderson almost 20 years ago through the writings of Cheri Seymour ( COMMITTEE OF STATES).
When we brought John DeCamp (of THE FRANKLIN COVERUP book fame) to speak at our local college
Gunderson was referenced by DeCamp and others.
I never trusted Gunderson, in part because he was the Los Angeles FBI SAC (agent in charge)and could have exposed FBI involvement in the Robert Kennedy assassination. Gunderson never felt quite right to me . We did bring the following FBI agents to speak at our local college over a 13 year period.
Tyrone Powers author of EYES TO MY SOUL
Wesley Swearingen author of FBI SECRETS and recent book on his foreknowledge of President Kennedy assassination
FBI agent Suzzane Doucette wife of FBI agent Brad Doucette who committed suicide
John Ryan
William Turner author of several books on FBI's role in assassinating Robert Kennedy
Frederick Whitehurst FBI lab whistleblower

If you really want to do something about child abuse see
http://www.vachss.com/updates_page.html
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Project Willow » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:33 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:If you really want to do something about child abuse see
http://www.vachss.com/updates_page.html


No. According to Vachss via The Zero, survivors who talk about experimentation or MC are "crazy".

People interested in exposing and ending extreme abuse can support organizations that aren't invested in destructive denial:

Survivorship
http://www.survivorship.org/

Persons Against Non-State Torture Including Ritual Abuse-Torture
http://nonstatetorture.org/

S.M.A.R.T. Ritual Abuse Pages
http://ritualabuse.us/

Justice for Children
http://www.jfcadvocacy.org/dc.asp
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Simulist » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:36 pm

Project Willow wrote:
fruhmenschen wrote:If you really want to do something about child abuse see
http://www.vachss.com/updates_page.html


No. According to Vachss via The Zero, survivors who talk about experimentation or MC are "crazy".

People interested in exposing and ending extreme abuse can support organizations that aren't invested in destructive denial:

Survivorship
http://www.survivorship.org/

Persons Against Non-State Torture Including Ritual Abuse-Torture
http://nonstatetorture.org/

S.M.A.R.T. Ritual Abuse Pages
http://ritualabuse.us/

Justice for Children
http://www.jfcadvocacy.org/dc.asp

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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby fruhmenschen » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:58 pm

Still waiting for you to show me where Vachss said those things.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Project Willow » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:52 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:Still waiting for you to show me where Vachss said those things.


I searched his site and I couldn't find the exact page. This was between 8 and 10 years ago. Maybe I had an impact and he took it down, though as far as I can remember it was still there a few years after our dispute. I have our email exchange on floppy. I was a huge fan and he was a fan of my artwork so the conflict, or rather betrayal as I saw it, was extremely painful for me, and not something I wished to revisit, ever.

His statement was along these lines but he specifically addressed self-identified mind control survivors.

Vachss wrote:"Conspiracy loons wouldn't disappear if you closed down the Internet—in fact they would instantly craft some alien-CIA-satanic cult explanation of that—unless we figured out how to close down mental illness at the same time."


http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9701_a.html

With nearly a decade past it might be time to inquire again. We'd need a volunteer however, as I refuse to put myself through it again. Why don't you contact him and ask if we can post his response here.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:56 pm

I've seen some of Ted Gundersen's 90's and 2000's powerpoints posted on video google, saw his site nearly a decade ago, etc. I still dont buy the "Tim Osman" OBL thing he claims,
and I think some of the SRA stuff he's claimed doesn't hold onto scrutiny. But I do think he's been onto something for awhile. I mean one look at the Dutroix case or Franklin...
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby fruhmenschen » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:28 pm

Project Willow wrote:
fruhmenschen wrote:Still waiting for you to show me where Vachss said those things.


I searched his site and I couldn't find the exact page. This was between 8 and 10 years ago. Maybe I had an impact and he took it down, though as far as I can remember it was still there a few years after our dispute. I have our email exchange on floppy. I was a huge fan and he was a fan of my artwork so the conflict, or rather betrayal as I saw it, was extremely painful for me, and not something I wished to revisit, ever.

His statement was along these lines but he specifically addressed self-identified mind control survivors.

Vachss wrote:"Conspiracy loons wouldn't disappear if you closed down the Internet—in fact they would instantly craft some alien-CIA-satanic cult explanation of that—unless we figured out how to close down mental illness at the same time."


http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9701_a.html

With nearly a decade past it might be time to inquire again. We'd need a volunteer however, as I refuse to put myself through it again. Why don't you contact him and ask if we can post his response here.



you started the rumor you deal with.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Project Willow » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:11 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:you started the rumor you deal with.


I am very used to people denying my painful experiences, but usually they use terms like false memory rather than rumor.

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If someone would like to volunteer to contact Mr. Vachss, please let me know. Thanks.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby eyeno » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:26 pm

Project Willow wrote:
fruhmenschen wrote:you started the rumor you deal with.


I am very used to people denying my painful experiences, but usually they use terms like false memory rather than rumor.

IOW
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If someone would like to volunteer to contact Mr. Vachss, please let me know. Thanks.


I second that vote, even though my history remain unknown.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Simulist » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:13 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:
Project Willow wrote:
fruhmenschen wrote:Still waiting for you to show me where Vachss said those things.


I searched his site and I couldn't find the exact page. This was between 8 and 10 years ago. Maybe I had an impact and he took it down, though as far as I can remember it was still there a few years after our dispute. I have our email exchange on floppy. I was a huge fan and he was a fan of my artwork so the conflict, or rather betrayal as I saw it, was extremely painful for me, and not something I wished to revisit, ever.

His statement was along these lines but he specifically addressed self-identified mind control survivors.

Vachss wrote:"Conspiracy loons wouldn't disappear if you closed down the Internet—in fact they would instantly craft some alien-CIA-satanic cult explanation of that—unless we figured out how to close down mental illness at the same time."


http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9701_a.html

With nearly a decade past it might be time to inquire again. We'd need a volunteer however, as I refuse to put myself through it again. Why don't you contact him and ask if we can post his response here.



you started the rumor you deal with.

If Project Willow says she corresponded with the guy, then she corresponded with the guy.

What she reports from that correspondence doesn't sound like a "rumor" to me; it sounds like the fucking truth.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby chump » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:45 pm

Argh! Ted Gunderson was such an icon of conspiratainment, his passing should be noted here. I can't tell you how many times I read about the guy or had seen him in a video. Sometimes I believed him, sometimes I didn't. He was a lot like reading here.

I clicked on it those sights I posted... So far, my computer is okay. Now what do I do? Frankly, it sure seemed like it happened at RI. It's a fuckin' crapshoot out there man! If you really think one of those links "crashed your computer" - maybe I should remove it from my post? Are you sure? I'm sure as hell not going to try it again.

Ironicallly, I just started reading The Last Circle by Sheri Seymour, published by Trineday; which was also the title of a little something that was circulated on the Internet a few years ago - posted by ? I think it is the same book that was so vehemently bandied about on a particularly unsavory thread concerning Rachel Begley on RI awhile ago. After 150 pages, I'm still reading, but I can only read so much and I'm not in any hurry. She mentions Gunderson a lot. Whatever!?

Ted G. was in on a lot of stuff. He had a lot of charisma, and hey, whether you believe him or not, he was interesting. He knew a lot of things that the average bear isn't privy to. And now he's gone.

Que sera sera.

Also this:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel ... entid=8773

Ted Gunderson (1928 - 2011) R.I.P.
by CONSPIRACY PLANET
(August 1, 2011) Ted Gunderson was an FBI Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge in New Haven and Philadelphia, as well as Chief Inspector, and Special Agent-in-Charge of the Memphis and Dallas divisions.

Ted Gunderson was also the former chief of the Los Angeles FBI.

After retiring from the FBI, Gunderson set up a private investigation firm, Ted L. Gunderson and Associates, in Santa Monica.

In 1980, he became a defense investigator for Green Beret Doctor Jeffrey R. MacDonald, who had been convicted of the 1970 murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters. Even though Gunderson obtained affidavits from Helena Stoeckley confessing to her involvement in the murders, Dr. McDonald remained the patsy/ fall guy in this crime.

Gunderson was also well-known as an independent investigator of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA), global pedophilia rings, CIA drug trafficking, as well as US Government mind control atrocities, including the death of Sonny Bono, the Oklahoma City bombing, and the Franklin child-prostitution ring crimes.
More recently his website aircrap.com focused on the issue of so-called "chemtrails," a global program of toxic aerosol spraying, which is in essence a global depopulation program.

Gunderson's investigations into the Jeffrey McDonald murder case were reported in Uri Dowbenko's article Mind Control Slavery and the New World Order
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel ... entid=8774

Here is a relevant excerpt:

THE SATANIC RITUAL MURDER CONNECTION

Missing children, sexual abuse of children and pedophilia around the world all point to the involvement of an organised network of high-level criminals who covertly control the legal system. Former FBI agent and private investigator Ted Gunderson agrees. He claims that "there's a considerable overlap from various groups and organisations, but one of the driving forces is the satanic cult movement today".

In his video, Satanism and the CIA's International Trafficking of Children, Gunderson refers to the notorious black magician Aleister Crowley. "The Satanists have used his writings as a guide," he says, referring to Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice.

In Chapter XII, "Of the Bloody Sacrifice" (p. 94), Crowley writes: "It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of those savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary and devour them while yet warm. In any case it was the theory of the ancient Magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy, varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly.

"The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle [the satanic circle] or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony - thus by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to the Magician who was invoking Mars. In such a case a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin - the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains that greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

"We're talking about human sacrifice here," says Gunderson.

More recently the 'tradition' of human sacrifice has been promoted by the late Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, who wrote in the Satanic Bible (p. 88) that "the only time a Satanist would perform a human sacrifice would be if he were to serve a twofold purpose; that being to release the magickian's [sic] wrath in throwing a curse and, more importantly, to dispose of a totally obnoxious and deserving person".

Note the casual reference to murdering someone because he or she 'displeased' the Satanist/black magician. Ding dong, LaVey is dead, but his crimes live on. He's been named by several of his victim-slaves as a mind-control perpetrator. The late 'perp' himself wrote in the Satanic Bible (p. 90) that "the ideal sacrifice may be emotionally insecure, but nonetheless can in the machinations of his insecurity cause severe damage to your tranquility or sound reputation".

The Satanists, after all, follow Crowley's injunction: "Do what thou wilt. That is the the law." In other words, Satanists as gods themselves will decide what to do - bypassing God's laws as well as the laws of men. It sounds like the modus operandi of the Illuminati.

Gunderson makes this further comment in his video: "In my estimation, there are over three million practising Satanists in America today. How did I come up with these figures? I have informants. For instance, in the South Bay area of Los Angeles with a population of 200,000, he told me there are 3,000 practising Satanists. That is where the well-known McMartin Preschool case took place. I have an informant in Lincoln, Nebraska. In Iowa City, Iowa, a town of 150,000 - 1,500 Satanists. It averages to about 1.5 per cent of the population."

Gunderson asserts that "...50,000 to 60,000 individuals are sacrificed every year. There are about eight satanic holidays."

The sick joke of it all? The FBI keeps a count of stolen or missing cars, but has yet to keep a tab on missing children in America.

CRYPTO-SATANIST IN THE FBI?

You shouldn't be surprised to know that FBI Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth V. Lanning, of the Behavioral Science Unit of the National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, denies the existence of satanic ritual abuse in his 1992 Investigator's Guide to Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse. Lanning's intellectual posturing and specious reasoning should be studied as a prime example of serpentine logic. His semantics are brilliant, as he claims that "the words 'satanic', 'occult' and 'ritual' are often used interchangeably" and "it is difficult to define Satanism precisely". Then he frames the discussion of Satanism in non-judgmental terms, that "it is important to realize that for some people any religious belief system other than their own is satanic".

As Pilate asked "What is truth?", Lanning asks "What is Satanism?" He writes that at "...law enforcement training conferences, it is witchcraft, santeria, paganism and the occult that are most often referred to as forms of Satanism. It may be a matter of definition, but these things are not necessarily the same as traditional Satanism." He almost trips over himself declaiming the impossibility of knowing the definition. Then he dismisses satanic ritual abuse as a simple psychological problem: "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder".

Of course, if he had taken the time to interview true believers, he would know that it's an actual belief system based on the ritual performance of torture and murder in loyalty to Satan and as an exchange for future rewards from the forces of darkness.

Lanning's denial, ignoring the evidence of mind-control atrocities and ritual abuse, is astonishing. Is Lanning a crypto-Satanist? He's publicly denied it, but he didn't have to bother. His "freedom of religion" is protected by the US Constitution.

FATAL JUSTICE REVISITED

Private investigator Ted L. Gunderson was dragged kicking and screaming into the netherworld of Satanism, child kidnapping, drug smuggling and other corruption.

Before he retired in 1979, Gunderson was the FBI Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in Los Angeles. He headed the FBI office, where he had 800 people under him and a yearly budget of over US$24 million. Since then, Gunderson's role as a private investigator and security consultant has led him to expose CIA drug dealing, child kidnapping and trafficking, mind control, and satanic murder-for-hire groups. He has also investigated many high-profile cases like the Dr Jeffrey McDonald case, the McMartin Preschool case, Nebraska's Franklin Cover-up case, the Oklahoma City Bombing case, the Inslaw/Octopus case, and many other real-life criminal conspiracies.

"Shortly after my retirement, I was asked to investigate the Jeffrey R. McDonald case as a private investigator," said Gunderson in a recent interview. "He's a doctor who was convicted of murdering his wife and two children at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on February 17, 1970. I put in about 2,000 hours on the case. He had been convicted and sentenced to three consecutive life sentences. Much to my surprise, the evidence that I read, the information I developed...I've established beyond any question of a doubt that this man is absolutely innocent."

Jerry Allen Potter, author of Fatal Justice, a powerful point-by-point refutation of Joe McGinnis's cover-up book, Fatal Vision, agrees. His book exposes McGinnis's best-seller as pure fiction.

Gunderson continued: "I obtained a signed confession from Helena Stokely, the girl in the floppy hat, for those who are familiar with the case. She said Dr McDonald did not commit these crimes. They were committed, she said '...by my satanic cult group. It was my initiation into the cult that night,' she said."

After a while, Gunderson realised that the McDonald case was a classic case of US Government crime and cover-up.

"She gave me detailed information about movements within the house. She told me she attempted to ride a rocking horse in the child's bedroom that night, but she couldn't ride it because the spring was broken. The only way she could have known that was to have been there that night.

"I submitted an 1100-plus page report in March 1981 to Judge William Webster, who was then the head of the FBI, with a personal letter to him and to the US Department of Justice. Much to my surprise, my 19 witnesses including Helena Stokely started calling me and telling me, 'Hey Ted, they're trying to get me to recant.' And I'm telling myself, 'That isn't the responsibility of the FBI. The FBI is supposed to gather information, not destroy it.' And that was my first clue that we had a serious problem in that case and in the other cases I handled. I noticed in each instance that evidence was destroyed, lost, stolen; that there were strong indications of corruption.

"So I asked myself, 'What's going on here?' And over the years I started gathering materials. Up until about two years ago, I kept saying, 'There's a loose-knit network operating in this country, involving drugs, pedophilia, prostitution, corruption, etc. From my research, I'm convinced it's much more serious. It's much more than a loose-knit network. It is a conspiracy. And you know how the media goes after you when you use that 'c'-word. And I'm going to prove it to you. By the way, this conspiracy involves pornography, drugs, pedophilia and organised child kidnapping.

"My 'missing children' lecture documents that the Finders, an organisation in Washington, DC, is a CIA front," said Gunderson. "It's a covert operation involved in international trafficking of children."

He was referring to a US Customs Service report which states that the Finders case is to be closed because it is "an internal CIA matter".

Gunderson added: "These people - the satanic movement in the world - have set up preschools for the purpose of getting their hands on our children. The parents drop them off at nine in the morning and pick them up at night."

Far-fetched? Think again. In The Law Is For All, Aleister Crowley writes: "Moreover, the Beast 666 [Crowley's reference to himself] adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog and mystery stupefy their minds whose error else might thwart and misdirect the growth of their subconscious system of self-symbolism."

SPIRITUAL WARFARE AND SATANIC IMPERIALISM

Sexual abuse of children and horrific mind control technology may be tenets of 'faith' for the Satanist believer as well as the programmer. Or they may be symptomatic of a larger struggle on a cosmic scale. When you peer in the face of Absolute Evil, you cannot remain complacent.

Therapist Dr M. Scott Peck, author of The People of the Lie, writes: "...at one point I defined evil as 'the exercise of political power that is the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion in order to avoid...spiritual growth'".

Psychologist Erich Fromm, author of The Heart of Man, defines this struggle between Good and Evil as biophilia (the love of life) vs necrophilia (the love of death). "The necrophilous person is driven by the desire to transform the organic into the inorganic, to approach life mechanically as if all living persons were things," he writes. "The necrophilous person can relate to an object - a flower or a person - only if he possesses it; hence a threat to his possession is a threat to himself... He loves control and in the act of controlling he kills life... 'Law and order' for them are idols..."

In the end, it may be that spiritual warfare - or the clash of the absolutes - is the real reason why ritual abuse and high-tech mind control have been exposed. Satanic imperialism continues unabated, and the battle for planet Earth moves to the next stage.
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Re: Ted Gunderson passes away

Postby Project Willow » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:58 am

Thanks Sim.

chump wrote:Argh! Ted Gunderson was such an icon of conspiratainment, his passing should be noted here.


I don't want to pick on you Chump, but really, that's what it's all about, entertainment? The torture of children is entertainment?

I've had that issue with this board often enough and even with Jeff's blog in the beginning but I've pushed it out of my mind for the most part, because I needed to believe that some people might actually care. I needed to believe in order to survive, even though I know now, the opposite is true. Most people don't and won't care, very few do. I could count those I've met on one hand. If we look to evolutionary fitness in this area of behavior it makes some sense. Every person, without exception, who enters these waters does so based on some personal driving force. One of those may be entertainment, I guess, I just didn't expect anyone to freely admit to it, in this venue.

As for Ted specifically, his story fits in well with my experiences over the last year or so. I've been connected to or a member of 3 truth-type commissions during that time, all of which have failed due to sabotage or infighting. I've connected with several activists, researchers, and authors, all of whom, well, perhaps with one exception, have turned out to be completely self interested and quick to betray the interests of the survivor community that they'd written about, if it served their need, whatever the source of their need might be.

Betrayal abounds. For survivors of extreme abuse, "goodness" largely remains in the realm of mythology.
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