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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:18 pm

Are you referring to NIDS ... National Institute for Discovery Science?

I find it interesting that the 2 times I'm aware of that Bigelow got involved in MUFON resulted in 2 of the most fractious scandals that org has weathered:

- Bigelow's purchase of John Carpenter's alien abductee unredacted medical records
- Bigelow's funding of the Rapid Response Team

DrEvil » 27 Jun 2013 14:04 wrote:Bigelow is a fascinating guy. It seems to be gone now, but bigelow aerospace used to have a subsidiary with a very interesting jobs-listing. They were looking for, among other things, microbiologists, materials specialists, exotic propulsion specialists, astrobiologists, and pretty much everything you would need to study a real life UFO (without actually saying so directly).

And it's not that long ago that the government agency in charge of handling UFO sightings (FAA I think) officially handed those duties over to Bigelow.

Oh, and he also bought the Skinwalker Ranch years ago.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:45 pm

elfismiles » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:18 am wrote:
- Bigelow's purchase of John Carpenter's alien abductee unredacted medical records


John Carpenter John Carpenter?

Edit: Nope. Different one: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/02/le ... enter.html

According to LinkedIn dot com, John Carpenter, MSW, LCSW, is a self-employed therapist and lecturer educated at Washington University in St. Louis and DePauw University. The bio also states he was an "abductions research specialist at UFO research."

Carpenter has a long history with the UFO community and particularly what some call investigation of alien abduction. Serving as the MUFON director of abduction research from approximately 1991 to 2000, Carpenter conducted literally hundreds of regressive hypnosis sessions. He frequently published statements asserting the supposed reality of an alien presence and resulting program of military abductions through speaking engagements, the MUFON Journal and a network of platforms provided by like-minded individuals.


...

Somewhere along his way, John Carpenter was said to have cut a deal with Robert Bigelow involving the release of 140 case files of alleged abductees, including Leah Haley. The files were said to have been sold for $100 apiece, totaling $14,000. The public commonly perceived a single transaction took place.

Certain individuals, including Leah Haley and some of the other 139, were deeply hurt and outraged. They felt betrayed by all parties involved: Carpenter, MUFON, Bigelow and associates.

The event seemed to have taken place sometime during the mid 1990's. It became known as the Carpenter Affair when the public eventually found out around the turn of the century. The circumstances and their ramifications were of interest to some key MUFON personnel, or at least that was the case with the ensuing public relations problems. It was publicly discussed by such personnel, as well as various people of relative interest in ufology, around the Internet.


The whole article is a good read.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:04 am

elfismiles wrote:
Are you referring to NIDS ... National Institute for Discovery Science?


No, this was a subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace. Can't remember the name, but the job listings were on the bigelow aerospace website. They seem to be gone now.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:55 am

Ray Stanford has posted to the UFO UpDates eList his analysis of this famous photographic case:

1971 Costa Rican Photo Is Prosaic Object - Ray Stanford
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m30-002.shtml

Image


Photo Analysis of An Aerial Disc Over Costa Rica, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Volume 3, number 2, pages 113 - 131, 1989

"In summary, our analyses have suggested that an unidentified, opaque, aerial object was captured on film at a maximum distance of 10,000 feet. There are no visible means of lift or propulsion and no surface markings other than dark regions that appear to be nonrandom... There is no indication that the image is the product of a double exposure or a deliberate fabrication"

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... haines.pdf


More RI mentions of Ray Stanford
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... ?keywords="ray+stanford"
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:03 pm

Klass' Drug-Running Hypothesis of the Valentich Disappearance...

Klass' Infamous Theory About Valentich Incident - Giuliano Marinkovic
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m30-003.shtml

Dark Matters Radio - Klass Debate (MICAP)
http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2013/wk20/dmr-26-t.mp3

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Discussion in 'The Best of Dark Matters Radio' started by uforadio, Jul 9, 2011.
http://www.theparacast.com/forum/thread ... 1992.8585/

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http://darkmattersradio.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=110
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby KeenInsight » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:00 pm

Anyone know of any new UFO documentaries coming out?
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Joao » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:19 pm

KeenInsight wrote:Anyone know of any new UFO documentaries coming out?

Mirage Men has finally been completed and had its premiere at a UK festival a couple weeks ago. Not much info yet on a wider release or DVD; just a tweet on 6/24 saying stay tuned for news about the USA debut. I'd been looking forward to this until I saw Richard Doty and Linda Moulton Howe featured prominently in the trailer, which strongly suggests it's not a serious effort. Others here are surely more familiar with the material, though, so set me straight if I'm mistaken.



Houston, We Have a Problem, about an alleged Yugoslavian secret space program, also looks intriguing. Keep your fingers crossed that it actually gets made--the latest I can find is a YouTube comment from five months ago: "Hi! Film is 'alive and kicking' and is currently in preproduction phase. Due to size of the projet, release date is not yet known and will probably be postponed. Stay tuned!"

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:05 am

Joao » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:19 pm wrote:
KeenInsight wrote:Anyone know of any new UFO documentaries coming out?

Mirage Men has finally been completed and had its premiere at a UK festival a couple weeks ago. Not much info yet on a wider release or DVD; just a tweet on 6/24 saying stay tuned for news about the USA debut. I'd been looking forward to this until I saw Richard Doty and Linda Moulton Howe featured prominently in the trailer, which strongly suggests it's not a serious effort. Others here are surely more familiar with the material, though, so set me straight if I'm mistaken.



Wow...could it be...no way...COULD IT BE A REAL DOCUMENTARY on the subject and not yet another eye rolling unsolved mysteries level cheesey tv special?
Seriously, it seems like since the 80's and especially mid 90's virtually every UFO doc have all been painfully bad. The subject is never dealt with by real filmmakers let alone
given serious film festival accolades. I think the abduction doc "Touched" came close.

Also this is the first time Ive seen the "UFOS could be real but the government wants people to eat up UFO propaganda as cover" theme explored, or to use 82_28, the "doublebind" method.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Elvis » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:08 am



That is very interesting, lots there and I haven't read it all.

Here's the feature film discussed:

Wavelength 1983


This movie was never released on DVD, here is the full version of Wavelength. (a good VHS rip) Soundtrack by: Tangerine Dream.
Two young lovers learn that a small group of child-like space aliens are marooned on Earth and are being held prisoner at a top secret military facility. The couple then decide to liberate the extraterrestrial castaways and help them make a rendezvous with a rescue ship sent from the alien home planet.

The movie's writer is probably best known for earlier writing The China Syndrome.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby ShinShinKid » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:45 pm

So does anybody have any info on this?

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:22 pm

ShinShinKid » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:45 pm wrote:So does anybody have any info on this?




uh, Martians are using grossly outdated physical media as well?
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby KeenInsight » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:30 pm

8bitagent » 01 Jul 2013 00:05 wrote:
Joao » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:19 pm wrote:
KeenInsight wrote:Anyone know of any new UFO documentaries coming out?

Mirage Men has finally been completed and had its premiere at a UK festival a couple weeks ago. Not much info yet on a wider release or DVD; just a tweet on 6/24 saying stay tuned for news about the USA debut. I'd been looking forward to this until I saw Richard Doty and Linda Moulton Howe featured prominently in the trailer, which strongly suggests it's not a serious effort. Others here are surely more familiar with the material, though, so set me straight if I'm mistaken.



Wow...could it be...no way...COULD IT BE A REAL DOCUMENTARY on the subject and not yet another eye rolling unsolved mysteries level cheesey tv special?
Seriously, it seems like since the 80's and especially mid 90's virtually every UFO doc have all been painfully bad. The subject is never dealt with by real filmmakers let alone
given serious film festival accolades. I think the abduction doc "Touched" came close.

Also this is the first time Ive seen the "UFOS could be real but the government wants people to eat up UFO propaganda as cover" theme explored, or to use 82_28, the "doublebind" method.


To add to this, while some documentaries were cheesy, many them went over or re-hashed the great "UFO Flap" that basically occurred between 1940-2000. They did have various bits of good information.

That entire era, and especially in 1947 and beyond are marked by some of the more peculiar and, as far as I can discern, real incidents that are yet unexplained, from all major incidents from the U.S., Europe, South America, etc. Those 10% or less incidents that make you go, wtf? The biggest eye-opener for me was the hacked NASA communication and videos.

And even during that Post-WW2 Era, and after 1947, there are still videos from Generals and even Pilots that, were clearly saying, "YES, these are not human-made objects in some cases, we believe they are not of this Earth" while at the same time there was a clear cover-up going on.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:20 pm

Camper Killer Commentary #14 "Extraterrestrial hypothesis vs Jacques Vallée"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2e6fsKs40

MR SIFF details Jacques Vallée's issues with the idea of aliens visiting earth. Jacques Vallée, world renown astronomer, computer scientist, co-developer of the first prototype of the internet, advisor to NASA, one of the first men to map Mars AND one of the worlds leading experts on the subject of UFOs for over 5 decades.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:34 pm

I stated many pages ago, based on a stoned mis-reading of the Rune Soup article "Everything is Entangled," that Vallee had suggested the "Coordinates" part of CRV in the SRI cafeteria. I borked that up a bit: like most discoveries, it was a slow and sloppy process...

Via Jim Schnabel's "Remote Viewers"

pg. 101 – 3rd paragraph – “According to Swann the answer came to him one evening in April 1973, as he lounged in a swimming pool, drinking scotch, at his apartment complex in nearby Mountain View. A voice in his head said, “Try coordinates.” As in geographical coordinates. In other words, Puthoff and Targ, instead of telling him the target, could simple give him the target’s precise latitude and longitude.”


Meanwhile...

Via: http://www.whale.to/b/swann.html

With failure looming ahead, I began to think again of the remote viewing models -- that there ought to be a way to get around their obvious limitations.

The problem involved how to give a viewer something pertinent to the distant location to focus on, but which would not cue him or her in any way.

I consulted a number of scientists outside of the SRI orbit, but not far away, in Silicon Valley. No one could recommend anything. But Dr. Jacques Vallee recognized the problem was one of "addresses."

If I remember correctly, he said that you need an address that gets the perceptual channel to the right place, exactly as one needs a street address to find a house, or an address menu code in a computer to find and call up the desired information.


I considered remote viewing vital enough, and preliminary work at SRI had already begun suggesting its repeatability, as had been shown back at the ASPR. There was only this hated problem of utilizing it.

I had rented an apartment in Mountain View for the duration of the eight-month project. The complex of the apartments had two very nice swimming pools.

In an early evening of the second week of April 1973, I took a bottle of Scotch and a bucket of ice and floated alone in one of those pools. I had only one thought in mind -- how to transcend the problem of utilizing RV for espionage purposes.

How to got the viewer to the distant site without cueing him. Finally I was so tanked up that I had to hold on to the side to keep from sinking.

Then --I hoard a voice speak-- outside of my head at about six feet above it and to the right side. It said two words.

"--Try coordinates--."

Don't ask how this came about. I can't explain it.

By this was meant geographic coordinates, of course -- longitude and latitude. Well, this --was-- how seafarers found their way around the oceans, and how locations were identified on maps.

Yes, Vallee had been right. A coordinate --was-- an "address."


Vallee on RV & UFO's:

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby justdrew » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:30 pm

I don't know why that would take a voice-in-the-head, isn't it really obvious? It might be more natural to use bearing and range though. The other thing to improve RVing would probably be to provide the viewers with extensive coaching in descriptive writing, drawing and sculpting.
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