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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:07 am

From the DoD report Mac quoted:

"The growing gap between themselves and a small number of highly visible super-rich individuals might fuel disillusion with meritocracy..."


Right, because, you know, the proles are only proles because they lack the skills and intelligence necessary to pull themselves up by their Algerian bootstraps.

Meritocracy!

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:00 pm

Please do have a look at the lovely martial law PDF linked at the end of the piece!

The U.S. Military's Plan for London-Like Riots
John Hudson
Atlantic Monthly
Aug 10, 2011

With British Prime Minister David Cameron authorizing the use of rubber bullets and water canons in wake of the turbulent London riots spreading through Britain, questions have been raised about how authorities in the U.S. would respond to a similar domestic disturbance threatening the nation's stability. According to National Journal's White House correspondent Marc Ambinder the U.S. already has a game plan in place. "If what happened in London ever happened in the US, the military has plans -- CONPLAN 3501 and 3502 -- to suppress the 'insurrection,' he tweeted. The mysterious reference to a numbered military plan generated a flurry of interest on Twitter as NPR host Michele Norris shot back:"I want to know more about the military's plan to suppress any potential 'insurrection.'-- CONPLAN 3501 and 3502????"

Interestingly, the CONPLAN (which stands for an "operation plan in concept format" at the Pentagon) Ambinder referenced is a popular subject among conspiracy theorists and critics of martial law. According to the public policy organization GlobalSecurity.org, CONPLAN 3502 is the U.S. military's plan for assisting state and local authorities in the event of a riot or major civil disturbance: "Tasks performed by military forces may include joint patrolling with law enforcement officers; securing key buildings, memorials, intersections and bridges; and acting as a quick reaction force."

It derives its constitutional backing from Article I, Section 8 stating that "Congress shall have power... to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections, and repel Invasions" and is rumored to have been activated during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, during the 1999 Seattle WTO riots and during the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles. But, according to Nate Jones at the National Security Archive, "because historic Garden Plot activity was classified and current activity likely remains so, it is difficult to discern exactly how many times Garden Plot was evoked." What jarred Jones upon looking at internal military documents, were the "indicators of potential violence," which were especially racially oriented:

Indicators of potential violence:

(1) High unemployment

(2) Increased crime rates among minority groups.

(3) Protests arising from income disparities between minority and majority groups.

(4) Declining rapport between local officials and miority groups.

(5) Migrations of large numbers of minority groups.

(6) Protests by minority groups to such conditions as slum conditions, segregation in housing and schools, lack of jobs, lack of recreational facilities, police brutality, and local overpricing practices.


According to Global Security, the federal government's power to control civil disturbances was increased in 1970. Here's an outline of what that involved:

375,000 National Guardsmen and 14,000 Army Reservists had been trained in riot control as the year closed. The Army National Guard conducted, at the expense of regular training, sixteen hours of refresher civil disturbance training. Some states also carried out civil disturbance command post exercises in conjunction with local and state civil authorities. The Army Reserve had three infantry brigades which were part of the federal military contingency force for the control of civil disturbances. These units also conducted sixteen hours of refresher civil disturbance training at the expense of primary training. This additional responsibility of the Reserve Components called for their immediate availability in times of natural disasters, civil disturbances, and other emergencies.


Update: Ambinder also points to an Army slideshow detailing more about CONPLAN 3501. One of the slides has a breakdown of what army officers are in charge of which areas of the country. Click the link to see the whole slideshow.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby barracuda » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:18 pm

Looks like an advertisement for Adidas:

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:48 pm

barracuda wrote:Looks like an advertisement for Adidas:


Looks much more like vile racist fearmongering for a prosperous white middlebrow audience. (Still prosperous, but increasingly resentful and worried.) Yet again, The West™ is under attack from dusky savages, and this time They are among Us.

Not to worry, though. If you read above the title, there's reassurance inside:

"How Petraeus sharpened our [sic] armed forces"

and

"Why liberals [sic] are wrong about Obama."

We're in safe hands. Obama and Our army are going to keep Our money & Our stuff safe from Them.

(I think it was Dwight Macdonald who said: "When I don't know what to with my hands, I smoke a cigarette. When I don't know what to with my brain, I read Time magazine.")
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:47 pm

Somebody posted a link to Craig Murray's blog site, on the Murdoch thread I think. He talks about the operational names chosen by the Met. The post is, "What's in a Name". Operation Withern.

Anyway, have a look:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=withern ... 41992&z=14

Notice it's where the B1373 terminates.

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:15 pm

Harvey wrote:Somebody posted a link to Craig Murray's blog site, on the Murdoch thread I think. He talks about the operational names chosen by the Met. The post is, "What's in a Name". Operation Withern.

Anyway, have a look:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=withern ... 41992&z=14

Notice it's where the B1373 terminates.

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Withern was the scene of a Victorian-era real melodrama/tragedy that eventually had a happy ending...
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby battleshipkropotkin » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:23 pm

London cabbie Chunky Mark with his commentary:
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:29 pm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=25974

Britain’s Riots: Thuggery, Looting, Lawlessness… By the Ruling Class

by Finian Cunningham


Global Research, August 11, 2011

After a conflagration of arson attacks, riots and looting in several British cities, including the capital, London, there is a sense of order having been restored from a massive mobilisation of police forces.

There now follows the tracking down and prosecution of individuals involved in the mayhem. Conservative Prime Minister is leading “the fight back” to punish anyone who has inflicted damage and destruction to Britain’s society.

The events have visibly shocked the political establishment of all parties, police chiefs and the mainstream media. But what should be more shocking is the myopic and incredibly banal commentary that is being offered to “explain” the outburst of street disturbances and violence.

As pundits sit in comfy television studios trading inane insights about the “evils” of individual immorality, criminality, dysfunctional families, gang culture – in the background, so to speak, are the glaring signs scrolling across the screens of the cause of this societal breakdown. And yet the preponderant signs escape the mental radar of pundits and politicians alike.

The fact that the capitalist economic system is in worldwide meltdown is not even registered in the mainstream commentary. This is the system that the mainstream political parties have facilitated and fawned over, whether Labour, Conservative or Liberal, and which has resulted in social devastation across Britain while the corporate and financial elite has ransacked economic resources. This system of legalised looting has been going on for decades, but certainly took on a precipitous dynamic starting with Cameron’s Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher in the early 1980s. Labour’s Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were merely purveyors of the same dynamic.

In surveying today’s Britain, Karl Marx words are so right: “An accumulation of wealth at one pole of society indicates an accumulation of misery and overwork at the other”. That is the hallmark of capitalism in today’s Britain, the US and Europe.

All other problems are largely secondary in causation. Crime, racist policing, disorder, the lack of police budgets to restore order (so ironic), alienation and self-destruction, and so many other ills including the mobilisation of resources to fund illegal wars – most of our present day problems flow from the tap root of dysfunction that is the capitalist economy.

Speaking in the House of Commons Thursday, Prime Minister Cameron's “explanation” for the outbreak of street disturbances across England demonstrates a total ignorance and poverty of understanding on his part of the nature of the breakdown in his society. He blames it on “criminality pure and simple” and “pockets of sickness” and “lack of individual morality and responsibility”.

This view is largely echoed in the British political establishment of all parties and the media.

The looting, thievery and lawlessness that Cameron so condemns is but the reflection at the street level of British society of what is taking place on a much greater scale at the upper echelons of government and the economy.

Despite the appearance of pinstripe suits and well-groomed accents, we can, if we are honest, see decades of looting and thievery of economic and financial resources by corporate elites aided and abetted by Labour and Conservative governments. The taxpayer bailout of corrupt banks initiated by Labour PM Gordon Brown and now overseen by Cameron, paid for in large part by austerity in public spending cuts, is but the latest manifestation of official robbing of the majority to swell the already outrageous wealth of the ruling elite class.

Cameron and his gang of plumy-accented thugs are gunning for $150 billion in public spending cuts to pay for the criminal enterprise known as British banking. This is racketeering that a street gang in London’s east end can only marvel at… and indeed, in a very real way, only emulate.

Combined with that looting by the elite we see the total lawlessness and criminality of British governments who have worked hand in glove with other criminal governments to launch wars of aggression (Nuremburg standard war crimes) in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Libya, resulting in the deaths of over one million civilians. Where is individual responsibility for that mass murder and destruction Mr Cameron?

This social decay and necrotism is a symptom of the collapse of capitalism, an economic system that enriches an elite at the cost of the majority. It polarises political power beyond democratic accountability to the point where, among other deformities, wars and planetary looting are being carried out even blatantly against the consent of the majority public.

So when Cameron and his political cronies fulminate about pockets of sickness, looting, criminality, lawlessness, and the need for “consequences for actions” – his words and exhortations are so richly ironic and benighted.

For he is inadvertently describing the very society and world that capitalism creates in its own image. The indoctrination of Cameron's mind and that of the entire political establishment prevents them from seeing the inferno for the sparks. An inferno that the government of Cameron and his Labour predecessors, and in other western countries, have been dousing fuel on with their slavish policies aiding and abetting capitalist kleptocracy, both at home and abroad.

The real lessons from Britain will not dawn on, never mind be drawn on, by mainstream politicians or media. And the same can be said for the US and other western countries. To paraphrase a slogan used by former US President Clinton: “It’s the capitalist economy, stupid.”

Finian Cunningham is a Global Research Correspondent based in Belfast, Ireland.

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Metric Pringle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:57 am

Anyone suspicious of the BBM messages that went around? This one in particular just doesn't feel authentically written.

"Everyone from all sides of London meet up at the heart of London (central) OXFORD CIRCUS!!, Bare SHOPS are gonna get smashed up so come get some (free stuff!!!) fuck the feds we will send them back with OUR riot! >:O
Dead the ends and colour war for now so
if you see a brother... SALUT!
if you see a fed... SHOOT!
We need more MAN then feds so Everyone run wild, all of london and others are invited! Pure terror and havoc & Free stuff....just smash shop windows and cart out da stuff u want! Oxford Circus!!!!! 9pm, we don't need pussyhole feds to run the streets and put our brothers in jail so tool up,
its a free world so have fun running wild shopping;)
Oxford Circus 9pm if u see a fed stopping a brother JUMP IN!!! EVERYONE JUMP IN niggers will be lurking about, all blacked out we strike at 9:15pm-9:30pm, make sure ur there see you there. REMEMBA DA LOCATION!!! OXFORD CIRCUS!!!
MUST REBROADCAST TO ALL CONTACTS!!!"

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby TheDuke » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:59 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -lord.html

Mark Duggan's uncle was crime lord: Man whose death sparked riots is linked to notorious gangland chiefs
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 2:33 PM on 12th August 2011


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The suspected gangster shot dead by police was the nephew of a notorious gangland criminal, it has been revealed.
Mark Duggan's uncle was Desmond 'Dessie' Noonan whose family used to run Manchester's underworld and featured in a 2005 documentary.
Dessie Noonan, a former bouncer, ran a gang with his brothers Domenyk, Damian and Derek. He and Domenyk both featured in Donal MacIntyre's TV programme six years ago.
In it, he boasted how his family was 'untouchable', saying: 'I've got a bigger army than the police. We have more guns than the police.'


Notorious gangster Desmond Noonan (left) was the uncle of Mark Duggan, who was shot by police
Dessie's second wife Julie is the sister of Mr Duggan's mother Pamela, according to The Sun. Mr Duggan used to visit their home regularly to babysit, according to the paper.
The couple divorced in 1993 after Dessie was acquitted of the murder of fellow gangster Anthony Johnson but Mr Duggan reportedly still visited him and his brother Domenyk.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1UpKcQgSm
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby solace » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:21 am

Aaron's Story
"I will probably have to close because I haven’t got insurance and I can’t afford the repairs,” - Aaron



Aaron has been in the Tottenham area for 41 years and at 89 is devastated by the damage to his livelihood.


Let's use the internet, spread this and all donate a couple of quid so Aaron can get his shop back up and running so he will not have to worry how he's going to make a living at his old age.

Aaron's shop was wrecked by the rioters


Aaron lost his wife last year. Born in Cable Street, he built up his businesses in Tottenham High Street over several decades and is a popular figure in the local community.
He arrived at his shop on Sunday morning to find the place smashed up, with windows broken and hairdryers looted. Even his kettle had been stolen.
Please donate to help get Aaron back on his feet and restore his faith in the community.

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby kenoma » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:25 am

TheDuke wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025259/Mark-Duggans-uncle-crime-lord.html

Mark Duggan's uncle was crime lord: Man whose death sparked riots is linked to notorious gangland chiefs
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 2:33 PM on 12th August 2011


I see the source for that story is The Scum. And their sources were...?

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:53 am

Duggan's uncle was a crime lord!

Duggan babysat for him!!!!

:shock2:

What more proof do you need that Duggan deserved to be shot and killed?

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