Ben D wrote:Oh Rory, I neglected to respond to this part of your post due to my considered opinion that it would provoke an unhappy situation with you and perhaps other members of the board. But on reflection I've decided to paint a quick thumb sketch of what I think, with the hope that it will resonate with those whose intuition is sensitive enough to apprehend, and not provoke an angry rebuke for those who think it is foolishness or worse.
The 'save the planet' theme that attracts so many activists and supporters of green, environmental, conservationist, ecological, heritage, human rights, etc., movements of the world imagine they are on the side of the goodies against the evil planet destroyers.
What they don't realize is that the whole conservation 'save the planet' agenda is run by the very ruling elite that they (eco activists, conservationists, etc.,.,) are railing against, ie... the faceless owner barons of the hated megapolluters, big oil, big pharm, etc..
They are the ruling elite, and they established the global green movements in the first instance as a decoy and subterfuge to get done what they want done...ultimately to depopulate the planet to an appropriate level of their calculation whereby they would be in the position to lord it over the ruled classes in a sustainable manner far into the future (think bloodlines/reincarnation/etc.).
For reasons which are not yet clear to me, of the people who fall for the deception of saving the planet and choose to do the bidding of the faceless initiator of the movements/egregores, many are very angry people and of course arrogant (I mean mere mortals saving a Deity,..Gaia). It's is if at some subconscious level, they have an innate desire to be in a position themselves whereby they could lord it over (and perhaps some even cruelly) we lessor beings, and sense the possibility/opportunity of realizing this passion by joining the conspiracy (unconsciously) by playing an active role in supporting the propaganda of the one world government presently in the making. These conspirators, the elite and their lower henchmen would have this planet become just one big zoo.... fat chance imho..
Well, stone the flamin crows! I had thought you were one thing, but you're the other thing! Nice to know.
So; just to be straight on this, bendie:
Wintler and IAWIA are quoting actual peer reviewed scientific work in their assertions of a trend towards increasing temperatures world wide and the measured, correlation between this and man made pollution/emissions.
You are quoting kook smear articles from the oil barons (et all) and their Kock cronies to disagree. Because the science you disagree with is sourced from the oil barons (et all).. ..oh. I can see why you have neglected to outline your position before now. http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ushcn/u ... rface.html
This link will allow you to pull approx 117 years of precipitation and temperature data for a multitude of sites in the USA, measured each month at each station.
With a spreadsheet it is fairly straightforward to do your own research of trends. Interestingly, although not proof - only an indication, there is a measurable increase in temperatures at each of the stations. Try it and see for yourself. (precipitation also appears to be increasing at many stations - just though that was interesting observation)
Clearly temperatures are increasing - not absolute proof of AGW - but just proof of a measured trend. You did read this btw. http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-ever ... 55211.html
This stuff is observable and with scientific methodologies, trends and outcomes can be predicted.
When I saw that I had to say, well it was wrong of me to make any insulting remarks to you. Sorry. I hadn't realised I was dealing with the learning disabled.
I thought you were with the oil barons, corporate deniers etc.. In fact you were over the rainbow, dancing with the fairies, unicorns and 4th dimensional shape-shifting lizards - all with your head buried in a pile of Ike-poop. I won't be troubling you again
My suspicion on the game is that the big polluters, corporate MIC cats are going to try and keep doing what they do. Their government cronies have focus grouped that people are anxious/scared about the very real dangers of climate change and that the influential scientific community cannot but ignore the data - it's screaming 'man made' disaster on horizon (if no serious action taken).
The governments are merely doing as they always have: pay lip-service to something that they feel they have to for popular reasons, all while doing as they would have done anyway. Judge them by what they do, not by what they say.
Carbon tax is just their way of making money out of it, all while actually cutting environmental regulations and hamstringing the EPA.
So, in fact, it appears that the green community was born out of something positive, but has been co-oped or infiltrated into ineffectual dissipation of energy is more an indication of TPTB's typical game plan when something threatens their status quo. Happened with the anti-war movement, civil rights etc..
The data still shows the trends - they are still there - warming and because of mankinds pollution.
But I love how, such credible (4th dimensional shapeshifting lizards) witnesses such as Ike/Jones, dismiss it all out of hand because it must be the NWO crowd. And credulous fools dismiss actual science, not on any kind of logic basis, but because a conspiraloon for profit, like Ike says so.
Who is working towards the aims of TPTB again?