'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

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'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:35 am

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8 Reasons Nirvana's 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time
This week marks the 20th anniversary of Nirvana's magnum opus. Here's why it's better than any of the rest.
September 16, 2011 |

Not the White Album. Not Gimme Shelter. Not Are You Experienced. Not even The Fabulous Little Richard. Those albums are all canonical, and surely there are other very important records in the history of rock 'n' roll that are contenders. But none of them are Nevermind, the breakout album of a previously little-known trio from the working-class logging town of Aberdeen, Washington.

Other albums might have influenced the sound of music in certain ways, might have been important to rock’s trajectory. But none of them changed the culture at large so vastly, so roughly and so immediately. Even the hippies of the ‘60s counterculture weren’t influenced and changed so distinctly as those of us living in a post-Nirvana world. In a way, the strange epoch we’re stuck with now is both a reflection and a result of the way Nevermind affected us; we are living the chaotic meaninglessness the album prophesied, even more than the shitshow that was the 1990s. If Nevermind was an existential statement, we’ve been blasted into the apocalypse.

Nevermind was released 20 years ago next week, on Sept. 24, 1991, the result of two separate recording sessions conducted in Van Nuys and North Hollywood, California. Its nice-weather locale defied its intent: scuzzed with the desolate, dispirited lyrics of Kurt Cobain, not yet addicted to the heroin that would lead to his suicide, the album was all grit and dark days. We have lived for so long with the sound and aesthetic of “grunge” that it’s hard to imagine life without it, but back then it was not even invented. All anyone knew was that Nirvana was bucking the rock trend toward hair metal, which was about objectifying women and cocaine and gross excess. Nirvana wore Washington-typical flannel shirts, more necessary for the damp weather of Cascadia than fashion statement. Long before Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain had dated Tobi Vail, a drummer in the riot grrrl band Bikini Kill who spent her free time making feminist fanzines. Their whole existence would soon be a revolution.

In December 1993, my best friend’s parents drove us to see Nirvana’s last tour, one of the first and certainly most memorable concerts of my young life. Their tour T-shirts featured a glow-in-the-dark seahorse, with a message on the back explaining that the animal is remarkable because it's the males, not the females, who carry the young—a welcome flip for a budding young feminist. At that time, Frances Bean Cobain had been alive for a little over one year. I bought the shirt, but ended up giving it to my good friend Steve Paul, a Nirvana fanatic who hadn’t seen the concert. By April, as everyone knows by now, Kurt Cobain was dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. A few years later, my friend Steve was killed in a freak accident on a construction site. Everyone who was alive when Nevermind came out and cared has a story or memory associated with the album—it dug itself into your subconscious no matter how old you were.

On Sept. 24, 2011, Jon Stewart will interview the surviving members of Nirvana (and producer Butch Vig) for two hours on Sirius Radio. While the two might seem unrelated, it was in fact a brilliant move to ask Stewart to host: Nirvana’s impact was inherently political, and Stewart’s humor is inherently Gen X. In honor of the most important rock album of all time, here are eight ways that Nevermind changed the political and cultural landscape of America.

1. Disenfranchised Kids, Winning

The dominant narrative in this country, even now, is that you pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and you will be rewarded with great riches, power and popularity. That is, of course, untrue—something that Nirvana explored in its lyrics. But something unexpected happened: they blew up. Their music resonated deeply with everyone who’d been disenfranchised by the voracious, greedy ‘80s, and there was a revolution rooted in ‘60s counterculture and ‘70s punk rock. Anarchist cheerleaders were suddenly on television, moshing. Nirvana were the depressive weirdos, and suddenly the depressive weirdos were the dominant narrative. Even if you’re used to being the underdog, sometimes it’s nice to be on top.

2. 'Corporate Magazines Still Suck'

But sometimes you don’t want to be on top. The interminable slogan Cobain wore on the cover of Rolling Stone to protest the personal-political concessions his own weary fame demanded of him, “Corporate Magazines Still Suck” represented the antiestablishment attitude of the band—and the crucial disconnect between his desire for people to hear his music, and his disdain for the tactics he took to get there. Still, Nirvana released its music on major label DGC—and now, in the split-income Internet era, it’s rare for even punk-rooted bands to have anti-corporate attitudes (evidence: every car commercial featuring your favorite music). Nirvana was the first to really grapple with this ethical conundrum, and ultimately opened the doors for “that one Volkswagen commercial” (read: every ad featuring your favorite music).

3. The Rise of the Working Class

Working-class rock music is the best, at least when it’s lefty (apologies to my fellow prog rock fans)—two words, Bruce Springsteen. But Nirvana did it different: they didn’t aspire to be within the system, ideologically speaking, and so they made it cool to buck a system that would hang you out to dry if you let it.

4. The Rise of Working-Class Fashion

In the same way, they made the grunge aesthetic cool—which meant those of us who’d been clothes shopping at Salvation Army out of necessity were finally in style. It sounds banal, but if you’ve been that kid, it’s absolutely important.

5. Feminism

The aforementioned seahorse tour tee and Bikini Kill association (Kathleen Hanna famously named “Smells Like Teen Spirit”) were but two aspects of Nirvana’s foray into the F word. Cobain being an astute and thoughtful man, he was quite aware of the white male privilege he wielded, so peppered feminist talk into his interviews. On Nevermind, even his love songs were about not trying to dominate a woman’s body— “we don’t have to breed.” And “Polly”? A dirge about the rape and murder of a young girl. This dovetailed quite nicely with the decade of the third wave, although it didn’t really last—there aren’t too many dude bands representing ladies the way Nirvana tried to.

6. Depression Is Okay

Though it would ultimately claim him, Kurt Cobain’s embrace of depression was, in fact, vanguard; America was barely talking about the disease before the popularization of Prozac, but years earlier Cobain was writing odes to his own sorrow and letting them live. At the very least, he inspired many a kid to research what, exactly, “Lithium” does.

7. The Opening Up of a Scene

In the '90s, people were still snobs about not wanting their precious underground culture exposed—but those of us who lived in crappy places, pre-Internet (Cheyenne, Wyoming, right here) discovered a lot of great bands and outsider culture after Nirvana blew up, through Nirvana. Taping 120 Minutes wasn't cutting it, thank you very much. Nirvana introduced a whole new world to its fans in interviews, bigging up groups like Bikini Kill (saved a lot of lives!), Beat Happening (Kurt's K Records tattoo!) and the Vaselines (the original version of "Molly's Lips" is close to a perfect song). Just like they popularized and made cool fashion that less-fortunate kids could afford, they also helped arty nerds stranded in barren cultural environments find a lot of work they could believe in. That was huge.

8. Rock Stars as Progressive Politicians

They weren’t the first rockers-come-politicians, nor will they be the last, but you can connect Nevermind’s popularity in a straight line to Krist Novoselic’s political platform later in life, when he became an elected state committeeman in Washington. In fact, he does that himself, in a 2004 book titled Grunge and Government: Let’s Fix this Broken Democracy, which discusses how grassroots movements are the way to make a better country—and a bigger rock band.


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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Nordic » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:52 am

In December 1993 , my best friend’s parents drove us to see Nirvana’s last tour, one of the first and certainly most memorable concerts of my young life.


Suddenly the article makes sense.

The age of this person.

It would be cute if it weren't so lame.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:12 am

Nordic wrote:
In December 1993 , my best friend’s parents drove us to see Nirvana’s last tour, one of the first and certainly most memorable concerts of my young life.


Suddenly the article makes sense.

The age of this person.

It would be cute if it weren't so lame.


:roll:

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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:27 am

Saw Nirvana live at Reading Festival 1992* I was wet, cold and wasted, they were great :bigsmile

I've read a lot of these sort of articles recently, but from a UK perspective Nirvana were less of a big deal, simply because there was lots of other things going on here musically at the time. And I suppose that sort of geographical/ cultural isolation that you used to get in places in the US wasn't so much of an issue so that thing that the article mentions where they were a sort of gateway drug to other music/ alternative culture for lots of people stuck in cultural backwaters didn't happen so much.

*at this years Reading, apparently they screened a film of that gig on a big screen on one of the stages in place of a band slot.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby brekin » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:35 am

Well, I wouldn't say of all time, but I do think of my time.
I can remember being over a friends house during lunch break in high school when
Nirvana's SLTS came on. You could almost feel the tectonic cultural gear shift
take place. As the article enumerates numerous reasons above for- but I think the crux is
that for a short time the freaks really were the cultural vanguard. Not the artistic elite, the geeks,
the nerds, the violent, the beautiful, righteous, or even supremely talented but the freaks. No doubt the freaks
have had the reins briefly before but they usually had to pass or put on the uniform.

It would be like I imagine The Mothers of Invention being more popular then The Beatles, The Doors,
Bob Dylan, Peter Paul and Mary, etc. In fact even that analogy fails because Nirvana wasn't even
as ironic and self referential (in the beginning) as MofI. How often does the dispossessed get the ear of
everyone? I mean Nirvana were outcasts and within a short time the social groups that shunned people like them
were soon attending their concerts, dressing like them and listening to Territorial Pissings at football games.
In went against everything. The nerds and geeks get rewarded for their brains and the jocks and thugs get
rewarded for their brawn, and the freaks get nothing. It was like the Romans converting to the Christianity they had
persecuted the early Christians for.

Anyway, to my rosy naive eyes it looked like the culture was moving towards a second hand, DIY, introspective, hand crafted,
everyone in a crappy band getting their angst out era-- then everyone got a cell phone and a dial up and the bottom fell out.
I'm sure every generation has their voice that they think speaks only to their innermost alienation, for as Heine said:
"It is an old story, but those that hear it get their heart broken in two."

(please no posts of: The Dream of the 90's)
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Postby semiconscious » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:37 am

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:38 am

Dark Side of the Moon outsells Nevermind. In 2011. I dunno.

brekin's post was great

"It was like the Romans converting to the Christianity they had persecuted the early Christians for.
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Postby annie aronburg » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:42 am

This article was written by Julianne Shepherd, who once asserted in print that Henry Rollins was a member of The Knitters.

She`s displaying her mastery of Wikipedia here.
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Shall we be trotting home again?'
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:04 pm

17th...maybe I should have went with Perpetua :roll:

17/500

The overnight success story of the 1990s, Nirvana's second album and its totemic first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit," shot up from the Northwest underground — the nascent grunge scene in Seattle — to kick Michael Jackson off the top of the Billboard album chart and blow poodle-hair metal off the map. No album in recent history had such an overpowering impact on a generation — a nation of teens suddenly turned punk — and such a catastrophic effect on its main creator. The weight of success led already troubled singer-guitarist Kurt Cobain to take his own life in 1994. But his slashing riffs, corrosive singing and deviously oblique writing, rammed home by the Pixies-via-Zeppelin might of bassist Krist Novoselic and drummer Dave Grohl, put the warrior purity back in rock & roll. Lyrically, Cobain raged in code — shorthand grenades of inner tumult and self-loathing. His genius, though, in songs such as "Lithium," "Breed" and "Teen Spirit" was the soft-loud tension he created between verse and chorus, restraint and assault. Cobain was a pop lover at heart — and a Beatlemaniac: Nevermind co-producer Butch Vig remembers hearing Cobain play John Lennon's "Julia" at sessions. Cobain also fought to maintain his underground honor. Ultimately, it was a losing battle, but it is part of this album's enduring power. Vig recalls when Cobain was forced to overdub the guitar intro to "Teen Spirit" because he couldn't nail it live with the band: "That pissed him off. He wanted to play [the song] live all the way through."


Nirvana Celebrates 20th Anniversary of 'Nevermind' With Deluxe Reissue
Landmark album will be expanded with unheard songs and an unreleased live DVD
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By Matthew Perpetua
June 22, 2011 3:40 PM ET
Nirvana Celebrates 20th Anniversary of 'Nevermind' With Deluxe Reissue

Nirvana's 1991 album Nevermind – the epoch-defining record that Rolling Stone has declared the Number One album of the Nineties and the 17th greatest album of all time – will be reissued on September 20th as a deluxe 5-disc edition. The expanded set celebrates the 20th anniversary of the record's original release with an extensive collection of previously unheard recordings, rarities, b-sides, radio sessions, live performances and an unreleased concert presented in its entirety on DVD.

Photos: The Rise of Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and More

As of yet, Universal has not released a full track listing for the deluxe edition. As it turns out, even band member Dave Grohl isn't quite sure what will turn up in the set. "I mean, as far as content and releases and stuff like that, honestly, it’s like I’m the drummer again. I’m the last one to know anything," Grohl told Rolling Stone. "It’s almost like a wedding anniversary – something that someone reminds you of about a week beforehand, and then you panic and buy flowers."

Photos: Rare Kurt Cobain Images, Artwork and Journal Entries

Even still, Grohl hints at other Nevermind anniversary surprises down the line. "I wouldn’t doubt it if something very special happens – we have a few things up our sleeves. I can’t really say anything yet. But you’ll see. It’ll be fun."
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby munkiex » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:53 pm

I love Nirvana, but I'd never make a claim like this. They brought a genre to light, but even Kurt admitted he was ripping off The Pixies and other to a large degree. They captured a moment and a scene, but it wasn't as transcendental as The Beatles, not as revolutionary as Jimi Hendrix, not as interesting as Bob Dylan, and not as rocking as a myriad of others. But it was very good at a time when pop-rock was getting pretty lame.

Having said all that, I probably listen to and enjoy Siamese Dream more these days than Nevermind. But it's not as cool to like Billy Corgan...
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Skunkboy » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:00 pm

On Oct.21, PBS will air Cameron Crowe's "Pearl Jam 20", which celebrates the 20 year anniversary of that other Seattle band. In the footage, Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder share a slow dance during the MTV music awards in 1992.


http://www.pbs.org/about/news/archive/2 ... pearl-jam/
http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/sep/ts ... ain_.shtml




Yeah Grunge was like a breath of fresh air after all the "big hair" bands of the late 80's. I think we need a Grunge II redo... now more than ever.
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Postby vince » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:17 pm

Never liked Nirvana. But, then again I didn't like the 'return-to-rock' feel of most of the 'alt' bands of the time: Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby jam.fuse » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:44 pm

I recommend the forums here http://www.electricalaudio.com for rigorous rock music discussion.

As for 'Nevermind' I have never owned it or listened to it all the way through for some reason, so I guess I have no considered opinion about it, save that it seems to have sounded the death knell for punk rock, having generated so much cash thereby paving the way for myriad 'emo' commercial pop bands with a 'punk' sound and look.

I did see them play pre-megastardom, as a four piece, and as a sometime player myself, remember thinking 'this guy has an incredible guitar sound' (you can find his alleged guitar and amp set up at http://www.guitargeek.com along with that of hundreds of other guitar gods.)

The movie "Kurt and Courtney' makes a convincing case he was murdered by his wife.

And 'Smells Like Teen Spirit" did sound pretty great when I heard it on the jukebox a while ago.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby norton ash » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:58 pm

'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time


No it isn't.
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