CIA's UK Defence Secretary Is In (Not Enough) Trouble

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CIA's UK Defence Secretary Is In (Not Enough) Trouble

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:44 pm

Well, where to start with this one?

I can't really summarise it, but I'll try. It could potentially end up bigger than the phone-hacking scandal, but only if I'm wrong about Liam Fox being either in the pay or control (or both) of the CIA. If I'm right, and he is, I suppose it'll disappear from the headlines pretty quick (the BBC already have a hilariously half-hearted "profile" of Liam Fox to accompany news of this latest scandal, with most of the details of his recent past very conspicuously left out, in favour of saying that he appeared in the sleevenotes of a Natalie Imbruglia album ( :shock: ). Don't worry, though, I've got most of the details here. They are still warm).

This video should serve as a decent introduction:



Right... UKers will already know that our beloved Conservative Defence Secretary and head of the MOD, Dr. Liam Fox, having come down heavily from the power-surge after his "success" in Libya, is now in big trouble over his relationship with Adam Werritty. Werritty was best man at his wedding and his former-flatmate. Fox has been taking him to official (and suspicious unofficial) defence meetings, and letting him hang out at the MOD, for the last few years - despite the fact that Werritty has no security clearance, official government role, or apparent reason to be there at all. That's been on the news all day so I guess we have all heard about it in the Yookay. Furners might not have heard at all.

But did yous Yookayers also know that Liam Fox, our defence secretary, is likely a CIA asset?

Oh, you did. Yeah, well, me too.

Actually, Semper posted something about this scandal in it's embryonic form a while ago, but it has grown fast since then.

semper occultus wrote:
Wiley Fox goes downtown in Dubai

8:00AM BST 11 Aug 2011
www.telegraph.co.uk

LAST night, Defence Secretary Liam Fox arrived back from his summer holiday in Spain – presumably feeling doubly refreshed given his June jaunt in Dubai.

The trip was presented as a “stop over” by the MoD after a morale-boosting tour of Afghanistan (he’s hardly Geri Halliwell) - but curiously he stayed longer in Dubai than the warzone.

Spinners said the trip was dedicated to media work and the “limited costs” were met by the MoD.
But surely the cost would have been even more limited if Dr Fox had chosen to stay at the embassy. Instead he booked in, accompanied by a small entourage, to a discrete, backstreet establishment - the Address Hotel.
Diplomatic hands in Dubai are mystified: “It’s very strange. A visit by a cabinet minister is a major event, kicking off big security and protocol procedures,” said one.


Maybe he just needed some downtown downtime - in which case why can’t the MoD come out and say so?


This OP might be long, and have an irritating amount of bolding and me talking all through it. I'm no good at hyperlinking text so I'll just make names really big if they're worth googling. Most of 'em are.

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Liam Fox is on the left here, Werrity on the right.

Liam Fox, his adviser, and an irregular meeting in Dubai

Emails shed light on contentious legal battle as MoD admits MRSA superbug case was raised at meeting

Rupert Neate
guardian.co.uk, Friday 7 October 2011 21.18 BST


Just as the Dubai heat started to get unbearable one morning in June Liam Fox swept into the air conditioned comfort of the five-star Shangri-La hotel.

Inside he was whisked up to the 41st floor – which enjoys panoramic views of the city – but the defence secretary wasn't there to enjoy the view. He was there for a crucial legal meeting.

In the hotel Fox was reunited with Adam Werritty, a close personal friend of his for at least 14 years, and three Dubai-based businessmen, including British private equity boss Harvey Boulter.

The meeting, which had been organised by Werritty, who has handed out business cards embossed with a logo of the House of Commons portcullis that describe him as "an advisor to RT Hon Dr Fox MP", was to demonstrate new technology that might allow troops to call home without fear of the calls being intercepted by the enemy.

But there was a second item on the agenda: a highly contentious legal battle. The MoD's last partnership with Boulter had turned from a potentially life-saving new weapon in the fight against the MRSA superbug into a legal headache.

The MoD's innovation unit had teamed up with Boulter's Porton Capital to commercially produce technology called Acolyte (?!?) that is claimed to drastically cut the time it takes to identify MRSA infections.

At first it was a major success and the pair sold it to US Post-it note conglomerate 3M in £41m deal. But 3M later claimed the technology failed US tests and refused to pay the full amount.

Boulter was furious. He wanted to fight 3M all the way, but to do that he needed the might of HM's government. The 41-year-old businessman, who spends most of his life on a boat sailing the Gulf, spent weeks trying to get someone in government to listen. He didn't have much luck until someone introduced him to Adam Werritty.

Werritty, 34, flew to Dubai to meet Boulter and discuss his concerns in April. When he got back to London, Werritty emailed Boulter saying: "Very good meeting with you in Dubai. Thanks for passing along the below along with the e-info on the two issues [Acolyte; and the phone call encryption system] we discussed. Please leave this with me to push along as discussed."

A month later Werritty emailed Boulter again to say he had passed on Boulter's concerns to Fox's special advisers, and said: "I'd hope they'd want to make an issue out of this."

Fast forward to June, when Fox was on a morale-boosting visit to the troops in Afghanistan and stopped off in Dubai for a few days on the way home.

When he landed in Dubai he met Werritty. The MoD says Werritty just happened to be there at the same time and insists he was not part of Fox's official entourage.

Fox chose not to stay in the British embassy but at The Address, a new high-end hotel, which the MoD has not granted security clearance.

Early on the morning of Friday 17 June – a religious day in the Emirates – Werritty emailed Boulter: "Morning Harvey. He'd [Fox] prefer to have it here [at the Shangri-La]. Let's meet on the 41st floor lounge."

The meeting between the five men was a pleasant and jolly affair, but the disputed conversation turned toxic the next day.

In the early hours of the following morning Boulter fired off an email to 3M lawyers. "I had a 45-minute meeting with Dr Liam Fox, the British defence minister, on our current favourite topic … As a result of my meeting [with Fox] today you ought to know that David Cameron's cabinet might very shortly be discussing the rather embarrassing situation of George's [George Buckley, 3M's chief executive] knighthood."

Boulter suggested that a settlement "at a headline of $30m+ will allow MoD to internally save face".

When 3M failed to reply, Boulter followed up the first email with a second sent in the early hours of Sunday morning. "I need to tell something to Dr Fox's office on Sunday night," he said. "I don't really want to give a 'radio silence' message as he is secretary of defence and will not expect that. I am trying to manage all of the dynamics carefully."

This led to 3M immediately suing Boulter for "blackmail" and calling on Fox to explain exactly what he said in the meeting and whether or not he gave Boulter the go-ahead to send the late-night email.

At first Fox fought back strongly denying that the Acolyte technology was ever discussed. "Dr Fox met with Mr Boulter to discuss an entirely different matter," the MoD said. "At no point did he enter into any discussion about this legal case, nor was there any mention of anyone's knighthood."

But the Guardian tracked down both of the other businessmen present at the meeting, who confirmed that they heard the MRSA case discussed and Fox retracted his previous denial.

"During their meeting Mr Boulter disclosed his involvement in a legal case as a matter of propriety," the MoD said. "But Dr Fox did not enter into a discussion about this in any respect and at no point raised or discussed the issue of a knighthood."

However, one of the witnesses said Boulter informed Fox of the progress of the 3M legal battle, to which the defence secretary is said to have replied: "I'm sure you're handling this [the case] in the best way possible." Fox's spokesman did not respond to requests to confirm or deny the statement, and 3M is still preparing to call Fox as a witness if the blackmail case reaches court.

The highly irregular Dubai meeting has cast a spotlight on Werritty, who has operated in Fox's shadow for at least 14 years.

The Guardian understands that the pair first met while Werritty, who is from St Andrews, Scotland, was at university in the 1990s.

Although it is unclear how they first met, it is likely to have been through Werritty's degree in public policy at Edinburgh. Soon after Werritty graduated with a 2:2, he got a job at PPP, the healthcare company.

Soon after Fox founded the Atlantic Bridge charity, which was designed to promote the "special relationship" between the UK and the US, he asked Werritty to run the charity as executive director. The charity was backed by the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec) and the hedge fund millionaire Michael Hintze.

The funding of the charity, which was supported by senior Tories and patronised by Lady Thatcher, allowed Werritty and Fox to frequently travel to events in America. In one instance Fox flew back from Washington to the UK in Hintze's private jet, the register of members' interests shows. It has been suggested that Werritty was also present on the jet.

While in London, Werritty ran the day-to-day operations of the charity from room 341 in the MPs' block at Portcullis House, which was provided to Fox at taxpayers' expense while he was in opposition until last year. Staff in the building still remember Werritty, who stands taller than Fox and has a receding hairline.

Werritty worked for the Atlantic Bridge until last summer when the regulator demanded that its "current activities must cease immediately" because "the activities of the charity have not furthered any of its other charitable purposes in any way".

The charity was finally dissolved last Friday after its remaining trustees – Fox had already resigned from the board – decided to close it down rather than address the Charity Commission's concerns.


Official records show Werritty collected £90,000 in salary from the charity between 2007 and 2010.

But it appears that running Fox's charity was not political enough for Werritty, a policy-obsessed nerd according to acquaintances.

Werritty attached himself to Fox as a self-styled adviser and took an active interest in Fox's work as shadow health secretary and shadow defence secretary.

He was on the board of a health consultancy company while Fox was leading the Tories on health. According to Companies House filings, Werritty owned 11.5% of UK Health Group and Fox owned 2.3%.

By the time Fox had moved on to become shadow defence minister, Werritty had become involved in a firm called Securities Futures, which describes its principal activities as being "promoting a better understanding of asymmetric 'security' risks that the UK faces and publishing work that encourages a better informed debate on these important issues".


When Fox entered government, Werritty appeared to want to go with him. But instead of getting a job in the civil service or for the Conservative party he knocked up his own business cards embossed with the House of Commons Portcullis logo and just happened to appear at Fox's side in Dubai and Sri Lanka.

This article was amended on 10 October 2011. The original said Werritty stands "a couple of foot taller than Fox". ( :lol: Oh Grauniad!) This has been corrected.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011 ... ting-dubai


So, a rather shady meeting here between the Defence Secretary and his ever-present mate and the private equity manager Harry Boulter, to discuss an MRSA detection system and a method of encrypting phone calls, with Fox doing his best to keep outwith or below the radar of his own intelligence services - refusing to stay at the British embassy, and holding the meeting in a hotel that the "embassy staff" hadn't given security clearance to (ie. a hotel they hadn't yet themselves got round to bugging, or not as thoroughly as they'd like).

Fox told the private equity boss that he'd flown all that way to meet at Werritty's suggestion that he could use the threat of a withheld knighthood as leverage against the American company (3M) who were refusing to pay full whack for an (apparently no good) MRSA detector. The American company didn't play ball, brought a blackmail case, and everybody's dirty washing spilled on the floor. So far, so normal.

It also turned out that Werritty (who seems to be, essentially, unemployed) has been charging lobbyists money for access to the Defence Secretary, Derek Draper-style, for quite a long time, no doubt with Fox's approval. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011 ... NETTXT3487

But that's pretty normal too, unfortunately.

When Fox was Shadow Health Secretary, Werritty got a job with (and bought lots of shares in) UK Health Care. When Fox moved into a defence role, Werritty switched jobs to a private 'security' firm. Given how close they obviously are, the potential for conflicts of interest and Werritty's companies being made "preferred bidders" seems obvious. But that's pretty normal too.

What's NOT normal is Liam Fox's old charity Atlantic Bridge, and the circumstances in which it was shut down.

And what's highly ABnormal (at least I wish it was) is Liam Fox's decision, last year, to hire the obvious CIA agent Luke Coffey, of CENSA, as his special advisor. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 144905.ece

Let's start with The Atlantic Bridge, because it reeks of intel.

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It's been getting updated for a few days now. Can't wait to see the re-designed mission statement. Here is the old one:
A submission to the Charity Commission misleadingly claims the Atlantic Bridge is dedicated to fostering good transatlantic relations and developing policy solutions for common problems. The organisation’s website is more candid declaring, ‘the simple aim of “Strengthening the Special Relationship” exemplified by the Reagan-Thatcher partnership of the 1980s.’


This was confirmed strongly by Liam Fox himself in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review a few years back, speaking of his vision for the future of the 'Special Relationship': "... the values we have of an independent judiciary, of secular government and of human rights, we obviously want to see that spread as widely as possible. Perhaps the strongest special relationship is militarily, because we have a lot of cooperation in intelligence. We have cooperation in terms of the missions we carry out. And we have cooperation in procurement. "

"I think it is very important to create not only the intellectual framework that will strengthen the special relationship, but actually to create the network of individual people who can know one another. That needs to be in politics, and in the media, and in the military, and in academia. And that’s what we’re trying to do: We are trying to bring people together who have common interests and to recognize that in an ever-more globalized economy, we will all be called upon to defend those common interests. [/quote]

The people he is talking about here are UK and US Neocons.

There are some gems in this interview. I suppose he thought it would never be read over here, or not widely, but he's been caught out (a bit), like some squeaky-clean Hollywood star found to be advertising cigarettes and booze on Japanese TV. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 76031.html

Recently, as UK Defence Secretary (got that?), Liam Fox pledged to "buy off the shelf" - which means American hardware - and of course the Trident missile system is to be renewed at huge expense while the rest of the army is drastically pruned and the usual shoddy and outdated basic equipment is handed out to "The Borrowers" - as the US troops semi-affectionately call ours.

The Atlantic Bridge’s partisan agenda was clearly affirmed by Margaret Thatcher (with whom they are obsessed) at a dinner in New York. Concluding what the Margaret Thatcher Foundation has ranked as a major speech, she set the Atlantic Bridge a clear goal: it was to become ‘a bulwark against the… people on the left’.
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There are some fascinating bits in Thatcher's full speech here: http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/111266

Yes, I have just linked to the Margaret Thatcher Foundation. I apologise, but desperate times and all that.

The Charity Commission's decision that the Atlantic Bridge's UK charity must 'cease its current activities immediately' and break away from US non-profit the Atlantic Bridge Inc, is a major setback to those who would import US-style conservatism to the UK.

Officially founded by defence secretary Liam Fox and boasting three more cabinet minsters on its advisory board (William Hague, George Osborne and Michael Gove), the Atlantic Bridge was managed as an outpost of the the American Legislative Exchange Council. ALEC was exposed in 1998 when the US tobacco industry was forced to release thousands of internal documents as part of a multi-billion dollar settlement of dozens of lawsuits. These documents show that the tobacco industry used ALEC to lobby US legislators.

ALEC continues to be funded by the tobacco industry, but today is also supported by elements of the oil industry keen to promote climate change denial and of the pharmaceutical industry keen to block US health reforms. US members of the Atlantic Bridge led last summer's high profile attacks on the NHS.

In a bizarre ruling, the Charity Commission has decided that the objectives of the Atlantic Bridge, as described in its governing documents, are charitable but that none of its activities have furthered those objectives. That is to say it is a charity on paper only and all its current work must stop. The charity now has a year to break away from its US arm and create a new programme of entirely different activities. This means no more oxymoronic Margaret Thatcher Medals of Freedom and no more dinners in LA with Fox News personalities.

There are many gaps in the commission's short report. For example, one set of Atlantic Bridge accounts clearly states that donors to the UK charity may receive a benefit from the US charity; the commission is silent on this arrangement. Over the years for which accounts are available, the Atlantic Bridge spent £239,920 in pursuit of its non-charitable activities. The commission does not reveal how much (if any) of this charity money has been recovered.

The commission has a statutory obligation to 'increase public trust and confidence in charities', but has struggled to balance this with its obligation to promote compliance with the law. It has gone beyond forewarning the Atlantic Bridge that it was about to report by asking journalists not to refer to its action as an inquiry, but as an 'engagement'. This was part of media strategy designed to protect the Atlantic Bridge's reputation (and the reputations of all those cabinet ministers). So far, the commission has been most effective.

The commission has been inconsistent. It rightly, and famously, opened a statutory inquiry into the Labour leaning Smith Institute. That organisation had got many things wrong but the commission did find that, unlike Atlantic Bridge, most of its activities were charitable. The Smith Institute was subjected to a full inquiry and given just six months to reform.

All this means that this sorry episode is far from over. The freedom of information act is being deployed to get a better understanding of the nature of the Charity Commission's 'engagement' with Atlantic Bridge and its attitude to recovering any misspent charity money.

More excitingly, a barrister from Matrix Chambers has advised that there may be several grounds on which to seek a judicial review and potential backers of that action are being canvassed (if you, or anyone you know, might be interested in supporting this, do get in touch).
http://www.labourlist.org/atlantic-brid ... servatives


And now I'm linking to LabourList. Sorry, all, but this was a good summary of the facts, even if LabourList started out as a Derek Draper op themselves.

And this is good too (told you it'd be long):

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act have revealed that [b]the Charity Commission was concerned that the decision bringing the activities of Tory charity the Atlantic Bridge to an end might lead to embarrassing questions around the role of founder Liam Fox the defence secretary, and fellow trustee Lord Astor of Hever. The documents also suggest that it was prepared to stonewall questions around charity money that had been misspent promoting the Conservative Party.
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Now, working with solicitor Mark Lewis, who also finds himself at the centre of the News of the World phone hacking scandal, I have begun the process of seeking a judicial review of the agreement reached between the commission and Atlantic Bridge trustees. In both cases authorities appear to have chosen not to investigate serious allegations.

Given that the Atlantic Bridge trustees have already agreed that none of their expenditure to date has furthered charitable objectives, those who have benefited are particularly vulnerable. Liam Fox, the founder of the Atlantic Bridge, has already declared trips the USA and William Hague has admitted the US arm of the organisation paid for a 'celebration' of one of his books, but has refused to declare this in the MPs' register of interests.

Should the court order the recovery of charitable assets all parties agree have been misspent and the further investigation of allegations made, these senior government figures may be vulnerable. But we hope it will not come to court ... [Why not?!?!]....and that instead the commission and the Atlantic Bridge's trustees will agree to modify their agreement in a way that guarantees the recovery of the charity's assets and demonstrates that any further allegations are unfounded.


Not sure if I need to double post or if I've made (a bit of) my case already. Will post and read back to correct and expand. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: CIA's UK Defence Secretary Is In (Not Enough) Trouble

Postby semper occultus » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:01 pm

thankyou AOL : I nearly appropriated this wonderfully sleazy little romp through the corridors of the political souk / bordello that passes as our democratic system for my long & boring Loch Ness thread as Fox ticks a couple of familiar boxes, just couldn't be arsed in the end although there is a very obvious (not-very-sub)-text to this affair I think its fair to say :
Fox, who was born and raised in East Kilbride, Scotland, attended the local comprehensive school and then went on to study medicine at Glasgow University. He became president of the University's Conservative and Unionist Association…
…Fox resigned as a member of the University of Glasgow’s student council in protest at a gay and lesbian society being admitted to the Glasgow University Union (GUU).

He apparently said at the time: “[I do] not want the gays flaunting it in front of me, which is what they would do”.

www.pinknews.co.uk

as someone shocked…shocked at such things ( or maybe he can resist everything excpet temptation ) it’s odd that he has been dogged by gossip about his private life…

Liam Fox says his impending marriage should prove he isn’t gay

www.pinknews.co.uk

the gossip-hounds are now off the leash in rather a big way & baying for blood....

Werritty and Fox have previously shared a flat and are understood to have been on holiday together several times. Werritty is a frequent visitor to Fox's office at the MoD.
The Guardian understands that the pair first met while Werritty, who is from St Andrews, Scotland, was at university in the 1990s.

Although it is unclear how they first met, it is likely to have been through Werritty's degree in public policy at Edinburgh. Soon after Werritty graduated with a 2:2, he got a job at PPP, the healthcare company.

Soon after Fox founded the Atlantic Bridge charity, which was designed to promote the "special relationship" between the UK and the US, he asked Werritty to run the charity as executive director.

his choice in dodgy "assistants" & "advisers" rather calls to mind these generous & solicitous public figures who have also demonstrated commendable concern in helping aspiring young people...

Exclusive : Hague Shared Night in Hotel Bedroom with SpAd

...the Foreign Secretary shared a hotel room with his then driver Christopher Myers, whom he has now appointed as his Special Adviser on the Civil Service payroll.....25-year old Myers has no expertise for the job, no relevant experience and his only qualification for the position is his closeness to the Foreign Secretary.

guido fawkes

Russian 'spy': Lib Dem MP Mike Hancock denies researcher facing deportation is Moscow sleeper agent

"sleeper" agent..geddit ?

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mike Hancock had string of young, beautiful Russian 'assistants'

www.guardian.co.uk


as Eric &/or Ernie used to say : "theres a lot of it about...."

Fox in a fix over flatmate
By George Galloway on Oct 10, 11 07:45 AM in

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His "flatmate" - what was a man of his age and wealth doing with a flatmate? - until his recent marriage, a man who had no security clearance to even be IN the Ministry of Defence, visited him there 14 times in one year giving out "business cards" to defence officials.

The man was his partner, during the time Fox was shadow health secretary for England, in a private business called HealthUK.

He is now his "adviser" even though he has no defence experience and was "best man" at Fox's wedding.

From Fox's office, the man was running a "charity" so right wing that the Charity Commission struck them off.

But it is still a charity in the United States and is STILL operating from the office in the House of Commons - the "offence" that got me suspended from Parliament.

dailyrecord.co.uk
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Re: CIA's UK Defence Secretary Is In (Not Enough) Trouble

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:25 pm

Double postan in my thread.

This Wikileaks Cable is worth remembering, even if I'm quoting the Guardian here rather than the cable itself, which was clear enough:

Conservative party politicians lined up before the general election to promise that they would run a "pro-American regime" and buy more arms from the US if they came to power this year, the leaked American embassy cables show.

Despite British leaders' supportive stance, the dispatches also reveal – in what some will see as humiliating detail – how US diplomats in London are amused by what they call Britain's "paranoid" fears about the so-called special relationship.

One said the anxious British attitude "would often be humorous if it were not so corrosive" and that it was tempting to take advantage of this neurosis to "make London more willing to respond favourably when pressed for assistance". The UK was said to offer "unparalleled" help in promoting America's aims.

The incoming Conservatives appear to have made some wide-ranging offers of political co-operation with the US. The cables detail a series of private meetings with Tory frontbenchers, many of whom are now in the cabinet.

Liam Fox, now the defence secretary, promised to buy American military equipment, while the current foreign secretary, William Hague, offered the ambassador a "pro-American" government. Hague also said the entire Conservative leadership were, like him, "staunchly Atlanticist" and "children of Thatcher".


In my eyes, to be honest, "staunchly Atlanticist", at least since Churchill's death and maybe before, just means CIA. Or might as well do. I realise I haven't presented evidence of direct CIA links with Fox yet (though I believe the Atlantic Bridge was a front, and a mechanism to pay him through Werrity for services rendered).

Fox met the US ambassador, Louis Susman, a year ago. In a 10 December 2009 cable marked "confidential", Susman recorded: "Liam Fox affirmed his desire to work closely with the US if the Conservative party wins power … adding that 'we (Conservatives) intend to follow a much more pro-American profile in procurement'." He reportedly went on: "Increasing US-UK 'interoperability is the key' since the US and UK will continue to fight together in the future" and "expressed confidence regarding US leadership in Afghanistan and optimism about the way forward".
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Hague pledged his own loyalty in an earlier meeting with the US deputy chief of mission, Richard LeBaron (oh aye?). A confidential cable marked "no foreigners" from 1 April 2008 records: "The deputy chief of mission asked Hague whether the relationship between the UK and the US was 'still special'. Hague said he, David Cameron and George Osborne were 'children of Thatcher' and staunch Atlanticists … For his part, said Hague, he has a sister who is American, spends his own vacations in America and, like many similar to him, considers America the 'other country to turn to'.

"Asking his senior adviser her views, [Arminka] Helic (who is Bosnian), said: 'America is the essential country.'

"Hague said whoever enters 10 Downing Street as prime minister soon learns of the essential nature of the relationship with America. He went on: 'We want a pro-American regime. We need it. The world needs it.' "

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He [LeBaron] advised against taking advantage of British neuroses and said the UK remained highly useful to the US because of its "unparalleled" help in promoting America's aims...

"The UK's commitment of resources – financial, military, diplomatic – in support of US global priorities remains unparalleled; a UK public confident that the USG values those contributions and our relationship, matters to US national security."

Britain's willingness to invest in expensive weaponry is a key part of the so-called special relationship. The UK's annual military budget is running at £37bn a year.

Fox's reference to more procurement from the US shows his zest for heavy spending on two future big-ticket items – the joint strike fighter [JSF], and the £20bn replacement for the Trident nuclear weapons system. The largely US-built JSF will be formidably expensive, and the original scheme was for Britain to buy up to 138 of them at £150m each, to go on giant aircraft carriers.

Fox is having an uphill fight: the recent defence review promised only to buy a cheaper version, and to cut the numbers of planes. Some are urging the purchase of US-made drones instead: the Ministry of Defence recently announced the purchase of 100 small Desert Hawk III drones and five extra Reaper killer drones. Other US purchases may be in the pipeline. Frustratingly perhaps for Fox, decisions on the Trident replacement scheme, which will rely on submarine-launched ballistic missiles leased from the US, have been delayed until after the next election.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... lationship


Something to bear in mind is that there were a number of embarassing leaks from the MOD last year, not least Liam Fox's own private letter to the Prime Minister warning him against his defence cuts (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -full.html), which led to speculation that somebody in the MOD was breaching security (which, of course, the MOD routinely does on it's own account anyway). The cuts in spending suddenly stopped looking so likely with the advent of the Libyan campaign.

With Werritty's role coming full frontal now, I suppose we are to see him as the "mole" and the "leaker".

But look at this recent profile of Liam Fox on the BBC website, which will be taken by many as his "official" short bio: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15234091

What it glaringly omits is not this Werritty nonsense (seen by many as little more than a breach of the Ministerial Code) but the role of Luke Coffey as his former special advisor and the non-charitable activities of The Atlantic Bridge, even though these were both reasonably big stories when they happened.

Anyone who saw Liam Fox's reaction to questions about the Dubai meeting in Afghanistan yesterday will note that he looked, not just shaken or stirred, but shit-scared. Yet today in the Commons he was in fine fettle, as if he'd been reassured that the heat would pass.

I believe there is a lot more to come on this story, and I have more to say meself, but the hour is late.
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Re: CIA's UK Defence Secretary Is In (Not Enough) Trouble

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:42 pm

semper occultus wrote:thankyou AOL :


You have ruined my double post!

semper occultus wrote: I nearly appropriated this wonderfully sleazy little romp through the corridors of the political souk / bordello that passes as our democratic system for my long & boring Loch Ness thread as Fox ticks a couple of familiar boxes, just couldn't be arsed in the end


Typical of the Imperialist Little Englander attitude to domestic Scottish issues! :lol:

To be honest, I was amazed nobody had posted about this here yet. It is all a painfully familiar and maybe even boring story, in a way, but still bears examination, especially with Fox's deeply Neocon and militarist Atlanticist outlook and links (reminiscent of George Robertson's, I thought, though it's hardly a unique mindset, and seems to be embarassingly strong in Scotland particularly - well, in our Westminster-bound politicians particularly. Scottish Mafia. I don't blame the English for resenting it - they are a disgrace to us all. Sorry about that, but well, we have to send them someplace. Can't have them all wombling about up here. :lol: ).

semper occultus wrote:although there is a very obvious (not-very-sub)-text to this affair I think its fair to say :
Fox, who was born and raised in East Kilbride, Scotland, attended the local comprehensive school and then went on to study medicine at Glasgow University. He became president of the University's Conservative and Unionist Association…
…Fox resigned as a member of the University of Glasgow’s student council in protest at a gay and lesbian society being admitted to the Glasgow University Union (GUU).

He apparently said at the time: “[I do] not want the gays flaunting it in front of me, which is what they would do”.

www.pinknews.co.uk

as someone shocked…shocked at such things ( or maybe he can resist everything excpet temptation ) it’s odd that he has been dogged by gossip about his private life…

Liam Fox says his impending marriage should prove he isn’t gay

www.pinknews.co.uk

the gossip-hounds are now off the leash in rather a big way & baying for blood....


Are you sure about this? I'd heard no rumours at all about Dr. Fox's sexuality. Well... ok... maybe just a few.

There was a rather tasteless bit of writing on Channel 4 News last night, where Krishna Guru Murphy said: "The question is - just how much access to government did Mr. Werritty enjoy?" As he said this, the camera zoomed in to a big pic of Liam Fox's sweaty smiling face. I was wondering if they had Guido Fawkes doing their scripts now or something.

But there is a good clip from C4 news outlining this whole thing that I should add to the OP. And I will.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:59 pm

semper occultus wrote:I nearly appropriated this wonderfully sleazy little romp through the corridors of the political souk / bordello that passes as our democratic system for my long & boring Loch Ness thread.


Jesus, I think I have missed a lot of new material on that thread, including a suggestion (how could you?) that Alex Salmond isn't the best thing since sliced bread. He does want to keep the current Queen as head of state in an independent Scotland, though. Not sure why. Maybe just so as to not scare the horses, for the time being, though the pair of them do seem to get along very well in person. I suppose since he is so often accused (and sometimes shows evidence) of wanting to play the King up here, it makes a certain sort of sense. A new Union of the Crowns. Wee Lizzie and Fat Eck. Phillip won't like it much, but ach, who listens to him nowadays?

Sorry... sorry... I know. There is a topic already under discussion here. No more Scottish shite, I promise, except as it relates to Fox and Werrity.
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Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:31 am

Thanks for the info fellers!

Keep it up!

My first impression is that there is a lot of noise in the media saying he knows he's done wrong (not that he's admitting to anything specific), and he's apologised, and he has the full confidence of David Cameron, so lets just move on.

I suspect the "News Cycle" will oblige, because you don't get to be UK conservative defense secretary without making a few powerful friends.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:22 pm

This in the new Private Eye, some of it. Specifically, Fox having lied to the government, the MRSA tech being a MoD product which was to be commercially developed by what amounts to a PFI, which failed due to the private sector incompetence, they then trying to distract from this by claiming blackmail.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:56 pm

Fox.. Scandal.. Hugh!

Thanks Ahab.

To be honest, I was amazed nobody had posted about this here yet. It is all a painfully familiar and maybe even boring story..


Which is why I hadn't so thanks again for helping me try to get a laugh out of something so mundanely serious

well someone has to
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:19 am

Scottish mafia ?
aye..right enough...

Jim Murphy rescues Fox from the dogs

Simon Hoggart
www.guardian.co.uk
Monday 10 October 2011 20.30 BST

The defence secretary, Liam Fox, was lying on the guillotine, facing the blade, listening to the clacking needles of Labour's tricoteuses – when suddenly rescue arrived! Not from the Scarlet Pimpernel, but Labour's shadow defence secretary, Jim Murphy! Instead of shooting Fox, he shot his own fox. With enemies like this, who needs friends?

ho hum......is there going to be any verity on Werrity I ask myself..
Adam Werritty 'indulged in fantasy like a Walter Mitty figure'

Friends of Liam Fox rallied to his defence today, describing Adam Werritty as a "Walter Mitty figure" who took advantage of his relationship with the Defence Secretary.

www.telegraph.co.uk
Number 10 admits Walter Mitty slur on Kelly
Downing Street was forced to admit last night that a senior official had tried to discredit the Iraq weapons expert David Kelly by describing him as a Walter Mitty fantasist.

www.telegraph.co.uk


...apparently there is now another "aide" Fox insisted on putting on the MOD payroll against civil-service advice....
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:09 pm

Who's this Mitty chap?
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Postby norton ash » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Walter Mitty, from the James Thurber story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret ... lter_Mitty
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:43 pm

...although having said that the one element that potentially places Fox as part of the Loch Ness Monster nexus is the nudge-nudge concerning his "interest" in Sri Lanka ( Arthur C Clarke..cough..cough..)

Confusion over Fox’s Sri Lanka trust

By Jim Pickard, Political Correspondent
October 12, 2011 9:34 pm

A trust set up by Liam Fox to help Sri Lanka’s development appears to have achieved nothing other than to pay for the MP’s trips to the country, one of his allies has told the Financial Times......

.........the trust paid for at least three return trips between London and Colombo – worth about £7,500 – for Dr Fox while he was in opposition in 2008 and 2009.

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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:46 pm

I couldn't believe they used that Walter Mitty line again. Like you Semper, my first thought was of Dr. David Kelly. They must know that people would hark back to that - anyone with a functioning memory is going to be reminded of it instantly. Maybe it's a warning to Werrity to stay out of the woods. Or to the press. (Or, for that matter, to Jim Murphy).

It doesn't even work as an excuse or deflection over what's gone on here, though.

"Look, guys, there's nothing sinister or untoward about this unknown chap who comes to all our defense and procurement meetings, as well as setting up business meetings for the Defence Secretary on his own account. He's just some random weirdo with delusions of grandeur. Won't take a hint. We keep giving him the wrong plane times and addresses, but he still turns up, every time. Just can't get rid of 'im. Ah well. Nothing to worry about."

But if he's just some annoying friend of Fox's that follows him about, then don't let him into the MOD or meetings with Israeli and Iranian ambassadors!

Seamus OBlimey wrote:thanks again for helping me try to get a laugh out of something so mundanely serious

well someone has to


There are people doing a much better job of it than me. I especially like this one:

Image
http://politicalscrapbook.net/virals/li ... ness-card/
:lol:

This latest wrinkle, about the break-in at Fox's flat earlier in the year... I mean, really? His wife was stranded in Hong Kong due to the Icelandic Ash Cloud, so he goes out for a drink in the city, gets chatting to a young guy in a pub, and then - as all married senior defence ministers in their late forties would - decides to take the guy home and let him stay the night in the spare room (so we're told). That same night the flat gets burgled and a laptop stolen, as well as briefing plans for the televised debates by the main party leaders that were ongoing on at the time!

Is this a joke? Seriously? How does he still have this job?

Mr Fox said in a statement: "As I told police at the time, a friend was staying in the guest room. My wife was stranded in Hong Kong due to the ash cloud. For the sake of clarity it wasn't Adam Werritty. I was a victim of a violent crime and I'm appalled at being portrayed as having something to hide. We're trying to establish why the media were given the impression I was alone." The Defence Secretary refused to identify his guest for the night.

Security sources disclosed it was not just the danger of break-ins to Mr Fox's home that concerned them. The Defence Secretary had been paying regular visits to pubs and clubs near his London Bridge flat. Some, it was felt, were potentially risky because of the types of customer they attracted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 69709.html


:ohno:

And, of course:

At the end of last year a few of Liam Fox's Conservative colleagues took an unusual decision: they contacted a number of journalists and let it be known that the Defence Secretary had given up alcohol.

None of it was for officially quoting, they said, but it might make a good diary story. Why they chose to do this was to rebut Westminster rumours – which had been doing the rounds for some time – suggesting Mr Fox "enjoyed" a drink in a way not necessarily appropriate for the Defence Secretary

One anonymous source reportedly said: "When Liam has a drink he tends to get very carried away and becomes very chatty, a bit more chatty than is sensible for a Defence Secretary."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 69224.html


This is a right old Stephen Purcell.

People are asking: should he go now? He should've gone then!

Been digging around in the archives of The Atlantic Bridge, the only ones available being from around 2003. Hope to post up some reasonably interesting screengrabs tonight.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:10 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:This latest wrinkle, about the break-in at Fox's flat earlier in the year... I mean, really? His wife was stranded in Hong Kong due to the Icelandic Ash Cloud, so he goes out for a drink in the city, gets chatting to a young guy in a pub, and then - as all married senior defence ministers in their late forties would - decides to take the guy home and let him stay the night in the spare room (so we're told)....


...at least he's not claiming to have met him whilst looking for some badgers....not that consenting adults aren't entitled to do what the hell they want in private but Fox's position attitudes & views make it rather difficult to see it like that...
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:54 pm

semper occultus wrote:...at least he's not claiming to have met him whilst looking for some badgers....


I remember that one. His second time getting caught out, and another example of someone not thinking hard enough in advance about the lie they intend to tell. Of all the places a Welshman could go to look for badgers, he chose a cruising site near Bath....yeah, okay.

semper occultus wrote:not that consenting adults aren't entitled to do what the hell they want in private but Fox's position attitudes & views make it rather difficult to see it like that...


Exactly, but it's more than just hypocrisy on that scale. He is the Defence Secretary of the United Kingdom. We are involved in at least two wars against what we are told are cunning, well-trained, well-funded and ruthless terrorists who can strike anywhere at any time. Like the PIRA they have a very sophisticated intelligence wing, and a stated aim to target British troops and politicians, whenever they get the chance. He uses the threat of this as a reason to reduce our civil liberties, to increase the scope of detention without trial in this country, to excuse rendition and torture, to justify the full-scale invasion and continued occupation of countries, and to spend all our money. While facing a threat so huge and insidious (so we're told) you wouldn't really expect the head of the defence establishment to be picking up strangers in the pub and taking them home!

So it's clearly all bullshit, the terror threat. For the most part. And he knows it. Otherwise he'd be surrounded by security at all times and wary of walking the streets, not out clubbing 'cos his wife's away.

From your earlier Guardian link, about Jim Murphy going easy on him in the Commons:

Up rose Mr Murphy, with his usual expression of a funeral mute who has just heard terrible news. He paid gloomy tribute to Dr Fox's work. He admitted an "interest" which turns out to be, intriguingly, that the Labour frontbench had accepted £10,000 from a company involved in the imbroglio. Then he started working through the ministerial code.


This company, I'm almost certain, is BICOM - the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre. They donated to Fox's run for the leadership of the Tory party, and also paid for Jim Murphy to go over and visit Israel in June this year.

Their mission:
BICOM, the Britain Israel Communications & Research Centre, is an independent British organisation dedicated to creating a more supportive environment for Israel in Britain. We do this by trying to create a more complete understanding of Israel and its situation. We believe in the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, just as we believe in the rights of the Palestinians to statehood. :shock:
http://www.bicom.org.uk/about/about-us


Well, that gave me a bit of a jolt. Not what I expected at all. Overall, their site and agenda does not seem to reek as strongly as that of The Atlantic Bridge, but given that they are a Communications and Research Centre, does this bring us back to Harry Boulter's attempt to sell Dr. Fox a phone encryption technology for use by the troops? And is this why it had to be done outside the knowledge of the MOD - because BICOM are not in defense? I dunno.

Much more to come, though it seems even the mainstream press are openly saying Werritty was funded by a "private intelligence company" now, so I might be wasting my time.

Ach, all this talk of gay men in high places performing subterfuge related to Israeli and CIA secret interests makes me feel as though I'm falling into (or creating) a standard-issue LaRouche confabulation. But this is clearly real.

He'll be out of his job soon, seems inevitable. Wish I'd put money on it earlier.
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