Coming Soon - War with Iran?

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:38 am

Kuwaiti report: Shin Bet ordered to investigate Iran leak
By JPOST.COM STAFF
11/03/2011 12:12

'Al-Jarida' alleges Dagan, Diskin are part of political campaign against PM, Barak that recruited journalists, opposition politicians.


Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu ordered Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) chief Yoram Cohen to investigate leaks about government discussions on the possibility of a military strike on Iran, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida reported Thursday.

The newspaper, which has been the recipient of Israeli government leaks in the past, alleged that former security officials had enlisted journalists and opposition politicians to launch a political campaign against Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak on the Iranian issue.



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What does the world need about now? What with MF Global going down and a lot of embarrassing questions about how segregated funds became part of a gambling pool while regulators were out to lunch (putting it politely as I can) the need for a decent-sized war has almost never been greater, other than the late summer of 2001 when the whole world was about to see a global depression in the wake of the internet bubble bursting and trillions in retirement accounts trashed.



We're there again now, maybe.



So we begin our coverage with a suggestion to read up on how the "UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears" which pumps up the idea that Iran already has nukes and might be inclined to use them.



One of our trusted sources on military matters has been sharing some first-class thinking on this overs the past few days:

The above article dovetails neatly with what I'm hearing. We have not seen a military operation telegraphed quite like this since "Operation Desert Storm" (2 August 1990 - 28 February 1991). Here are several theories as to why:

- Like Op. Desert Storm, the U.S. (and by default, Israel) needs to build a solid coalition of support for any action taken against Iran. Building such a coalition covertly is impossible in today's media saturated world, and doing so requires public support. Controlled telegraphing of information by concerned parties helps to raise public awareness. In the U.S., this facilitates quicker congressional approval of the commitment of U.S. forces.

- If the U.S. and the U.K. do openly ally with Israel, no Islamic nation would ever 'officially' join the coalition. This prospect leaves out two regional power houses . . . Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and risks alienating Syria and possibly Egypt. However, Turkey and the Saudis may well have already agreed to tacitly 'stand by,' complaining a bit from the sidelines but taking no discernable military actions. By agreeing to do so, they will no doubt gain regional influence.

- The 'telegraphing' may simply be a measured psyops, pointed deterrence, a 'warning shot across the bow' to Iranian theocrats, politicos and key businessmen that if they continue along their current path, action will be taken.

Wild cards in all of this are China and Russia, both heavily invested in Iranian military and nuclear endeavors. Will they stand-by, or visibly ally themselves with the ancient Persians so as to maintain a viable 'presence' in the Persian Gulf?

During the Cold War stand-off between the Soviet Warsaw Pact and U.S. led NATO, strategy and policy geeks (like me) called the super power situation a 'bi-polar' world. Today, that term has a double entendre -- and many would term it a 'bi-polar disorder.' After the Soviet Union collapsed upon itself, the U.S. was left as the lone military super power in a 'mono-polar' world. The U.S. economy and military have since waned, and Russia and China, among others, may plan to 'fill the void.'

The Persian Gulf developments noticeably harkens back to Cold War regional proxy wars, with those same decided risks of military escalation. The problem being, all the veteran Cold War diplomats and military strategists from both sides are either long gone or flatly ignored. Without their acumen and discretion, things could quickly spiral into unanticipated territory.

It goes without saying -- this situation 'bears' watching!

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This JPost article seems to be mostly bluff:

I would not expect Israeli censors to permit even idle speculation about any ensuing attack against Iran. So the above article may well be part of a concerted propaganda effort either trying to prevent war or pave the way leading up to it.

Breaking item: Israeli security is looking into recent Iran sneak attack leaks.

Israeli diesel-electric subs, special forces and probably stealth drones and aircraft would likely comprise the leading edge of any Jewish first strike, not the massive waves of conventional aircraft the JPost article presupposes.

Bunker-buster bombs are pretty much a given in this operation -- either the 100+ 500-pound GBU-28s already shipped to Israel or, if the U.S. of A. gets involved overtly or covertly, the Massive Ordinance Penetrator , which is able to penetrate in excess of 100' of bedrock and packs a sizeable whollop.

As discussed in a past rendition of this exercise, one cannot rule out either Israel or the U.S. employing small yield Earth penetrating nukes in conjunction with the MoP or GBU-28. Detonation of these devices in sequence well below the surface would shatter underground facilities due to the bedrock earthquake 'wave' effect. The earth world contain the bulk of produced radioactive gasses and fallout from a small yield nuke. Any residual radioactivity that might be detected above ground could be blamed on the destruction of Iranian Uranium refinement devices and fissionable material storage areas.

I recall a year or so ago that Clif elicited strong indications of POTUS angst, potentially related to an Iranian/Israeli decision. The pieces of the puzzle seem to be lining-up -- the global economy is in the pooper, the planet is overcrowded, and Saudi Arabia has essentially provided Israel with a big 'green light' to stop Iran with claims of Iranian assassination plots and terror plans against the royal family. Meanwhile, Israel is surrounded by a blooming weed garden of Arab Springs. Netanyahu must quickly show resolve or risk losing all due to perceived and fatal weaknesses.

My fingers are all crossed that this will eventually be defused, but with the current leadership in Iran (religious and secular), I don't hold out much hope.

The timing couldn't be better for the USA: Massive test of the Emergency Action Notification System next week, US Navy out for Pacific Wave 11 drills, and Europe taking far too much space above the fold for the continued comfort of the monied class. Sadly, war fills the bill as a huge distraction and gives the US reason to be out of Iraq, so as not to get steam-rolled by the huge Iranian army as payback. Gives us pieces to move around in theater, too.



Not that it would be all bad...since from an investment standpoint, it would make the pending crash and burn of the global stock markets something which could be blamed on "Them Iranians." Thus, preserving the role of banksters and commodity fraudsters for future mischief.



Oh, and forget I mentioned defense sector ETF's might be something to keep an eye on, OK? Wars are ultimately about money, aren't they? But we'll just keep between us for now.



Yes, the Shape of Things to Come may have been right about November...just called it a year early perhaps...but as outputs from the rickety time machine go, the more lead time we get, the BIGGER the events seem to be, so if this is the "Israeli mistake" in the linguistics, it's likely to be a whopper.



Oh, and Britain's chief rabbi opening the Wednesday US Senate session is purely coincidental, I'm sure.



You might want to scrub your tourism plans for Tehran this weekend, eh?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby petron99 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:51 am

US House okays sweeping new sanctions on Iran

Amid growing tensions in the Middle East, including speculation about a possible Israeli attack on Iran, a key US Congressional committee passed on Wednesday two bills that would impose sweeping new economic and diplomatic sanctions against Tehran.

The legislation, which includes sanctions against Iran's Central Bank and strict curbs on official diplomatic contacts between Washington and Tehran, was approved unanimously by voice vote of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Representatives.

The Committee chairperson and major sponsor of the legislation, Florida Republican Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, said she hoped the whole House and the Senate would act quickly on the two bills so that their enactment would "hand the Iranian regime a nice holiday present", presumably a reference to the Christmas holidays.

But lobbyists on Capitol Hill predicted that the Democratic-led Senate would be unlikely to act until after the New Year and that, barring any major new crisis between Tehran and Washington, the legislation's more radical provisions would eventually be watered down.

Still, the fact that such draconian legislation is making headway in Congress is likely to further stoke rising tensions in the region, particularly in the wake of US accusations last month that "elements" of Iran's government plotted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador here and simmering press speculation that the government of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is actively considering an attack on Tehran's nuclear facilities...

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Alaya » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:34 pm

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jewish ... ?id=244214



UK Chief Rabbi delivers Invocation prayer at US Senate
By JONNY PAUL, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
11/03/2011 05:20

Jonathan Sacks is first British Jewish community leader to fulfill the honor, says world must “honor the dignity of difference.”



LONDON – Britain’s Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks delivered the Invocation prayer in the US Senate on Wednesday, becoming the first Jewish community leader from the UK to fulfill the honor.

Traditionally recited at the opening of each session of the Senate, it was the first time a British chief rabbi has been invited to deliver the prayer as guest chaplain.

Sacks was a guest of Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Connecticut). The prayer is usually performed by the chaplain of the United States Senate, though occasionally guest chaplains, recommended by senators, are invited to deliver the session’s opening prayer in his place.

In the prayer, which was composed especially for the occasion, the chief rabbi said the world must “honor the dignity of difference.”

“Teach us to honor the dignity of difference, recognizing that one who is not in our image is none the less in your image; never forgetting that the people not like us, are still people – like us,” states the prayer.

The prayer goes on to bless the members of Congress, and to ask God “and guide their deliberations, that they may govern this great nation with wisdom and justice, grace and compassion.” Sacks said it was a great honor to deliver the prayer.

“It emphasized not only the close relationship Britain and America share, but also between the Anglo- and American- Jewish communities. I am grateful to Senator Lieberman – an individual whose moral clarity and faith has always played such a central role in his political and personal life – and his colleagues in the Senate for granting me this opportunity,” he said.

“It was an honor and a privilege for the Senate to have Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks deliver the invocation,” Lieberman said. “The chief rabbi is a distinguished leader of the Jewish community of Britain and his presence represented the deep and enduring bond between the people of our two great countries. His wisdom and spiritual guidance was reflected in his prayer to the Senate and our work is enriched by his words to us.”

Sacks’ visit to Washington is part of a 10-day trip to the US and Canada that will see him speaking to Jewish communities, and to wider audiences, in Chicago, Boston, New York and Toronto.

On Tuesday, the chief rabbi was guest of honor at a lunch hosted by Lieberman in the Capitol building that was attended by a number of prominent Jewish members of Congress.

At the lunch, Sacks praised the congressmen for their leadership and spoke about the importance of promoting a Judaism unafraid to engage with the world.

The full text of the chief rabbi’s Invocation prayer to the Senate: “Sovereign of the universe, who created all in love, teach us to love all that is good and beautiful in this world. Teach us to honor the dignity of difference, recognizing that one who is not in our image is none the less in your image; never forgetting that the people not like us, are still people – like us.

“At this fateful moment in the human story, bless us that we may be a blessing to others.

Guide the nations of the world to honor you by honoring one another. So that by reaching out in love, we may turn enemies into friends, and become your family on earth as you are our parent in heaven.

“Beloved God, bless the members of this United States Congress and guide their deliberations, that they may govern this great nation with wisdom and justice, grace and compassion, bringing honor to your name, and your blessing to humankind.”


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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Hammer of Los » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:19 pm

“Beloved God, bless the members of this United States Congress and guide their deliberations, that they may govern this great nation with wisdom and justice, grace and compassion, bringing honor to your name, and your blessing to humankind.”


Well, its a lovely thought.

The only problem is, the thing with prayers, is that they have to have at least some of chance of coming true in order to work. It's the same principle once elucidated by Grant Morrison with regard to magic.

So I am afraid this prayer will be quite useless to help your "great nation."

Or indeed the world.

God help us all.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:51 pm

Netanyahu Orders Investigation into Leaked Plans to Attack Iran
Two former Israeli intelligence officials, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin, are reportedly suspected of leaking to prevent attack
by John Glaser, November 03, 2011

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered an investigation into alleged leaks of plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, according to reports.

The main suspects for the leak are the former heads of Israel’s intelligence agencies the Mossad and the Shin Bet, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin respectively. Netanyahu purportedly suspects that the two former agents leaked the information in an attempt to thwart an effort by him and Defense Minister Ehud Barak to push for a unilateral, preemptive attack on Iran.

Top Israeli officials familiar with the situation say that Netanyahu is and has been redoubling his efforts to convince the rest of his cabinet to back an attack on Iran, and that he has finally won over hawkish Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman to his side. On Wednesday, Israel test-fired a ballistics missile immediately after Netanyahu warned of a “direct and heavy threat” posed by Iran’s nuclear program.

If the reports about the Netanyahu administration’s suspicions are true and Dagan and Diskin did leak the information to prevent an attack, which had moved from the stage of discussion to implementation, it would certainly be consistent with previous statements from the two. Back in May, Netanyahu and Barak condemned Dagan for saying publicly that a strike on Iran would be “the stupidest thing I have ever heard.”

“It seems that only Netanyahu and Barak know, and maybe even they haven’t decided,” Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, both respected Haaretz writers told The Guardian. “While many people say Netanyahu and Barak are conducting sophisticated psychological warfare and don’t intend to launch a military operation, top officials … are still afraid.”


"Hold Me Back!"
Why Israel Will Not Attack Iran
by URI AVNERY

EVERYBODY KNOWS the scene from school: a small boy quarrels with a bigger boy. “Hold me back!” he shouts to his comrades, “Before I break his bones!”

Our government seems to be behaving in this way. Every day, via all channels, it shouts that it is going, any minute now, to break the bones of Iran.

Iran is about to produce a nuclear bomb. We cannot allow this. So we shall bomb them to smithereens.

Binyamin Netanyahu says so in every one of his countless speeches, including his opening speech at the winter session of the Knesset. Ditto Ehud Barak. Every self-respecting commentator (has anyone ever seen a non-self-respecting one?) writes about it. The media amplify the sound and the fury.

“Haaretz” splashed its front page with pictures of the seven most important ministers (the “security septet”) showing three in favor of the attack, four against.

* * *

A GERMAN proverb says: “Revolutions that are announced in advance do not take place.” Same goes for wars.

Nuclear affairs are subject to very strict military censorship. Very very strict indeed.

Yet the censor seems to be smiling benignly. Let the boys, including the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense (the censor’s ultimate boss) play their games.

The respected former long-serving chief of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, has publicly warned against the attack, describing it as “the most stupid idea” he has ever heard”. He explained that he considers it his duty to warn against it, in view of the plans of Netanyahu and Barak.

On Wednesday, there was a veritable deluge of leaks. Israel tested a missile that can deliver a nuclear bomb more then 5000 km away, beyond you-know-where. And our Air Force has just completed exercises in Sardinia, at a distance larger than you-know-where. And on Thursday, the Home Front Command held training exercises all over Greater Tel Aviv, with sirens screaming away.

All this seems to indicate that the whole hullabaloo is a ploy. Perhaps to frighten and deter the Iranians. Perhaps to push the Americans into more extreme actions. Perhaps coordinated with the Americans in advance. (British sources, too, leaked that the Royal Navy is training to support an American attack on Iran.)

It is an old Israeli tactic to act as if we are going crazy (“The boss has gone mad” is a routine cry in our markets, to suggest that the fruit vendor is selling at a loss.) We shall not listen to the US any more. We shall just bomb and bomb and bomb.

Well, let’s be serious for a moment.

* * *

ISRAEL WILL not attack Iran. Period.

Some may think that I am going out on a limb. Shouldn’t I add at least “probably” or “almost certainly”?

No, I won’t. I shall repeat categorically: Israel Will NOT Attack Iran.

Since the 1956 Suez adventure, when President Dwight D. Eisenhower delivered an ultimatum that stopped the action, Israel has never undertaken any significant military operation without obtaining American consent in advance.

The US is Israel’s only dependable supporter in the world (besides, perhaps, Fiji, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.) To destroy this relationship means cutting our lifeline. To do that, you have to be more than just a little crazy. You have to be raving mad.

Furthermore, Israel cannot fight a war without unlimited American support, because our planes and our bombs come from the US. During a war, we need supplies, spare parts, many sorts of equipment. During the Yom Kippur war, Henry Kissinger had an “air train” supplying us around the clock. And that war would probably look like a picnic compared to a war with Iran.

* * *

LET’S LOOK at the map. That, by the way, is always recommended before starting any war.

The first feature that strikes the eye is the narrow Strait of Hormuz, through which every third barrel of the worlds seaborne oil supplies flow. Almost the entire output of Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Iraq and Iran has to run the gauntlet through this narrow sea lane.

“Narrow” is an understatement. The entire width of this waterway is some 35 km (or 20 miles). That’s about the distance from Gaza to Beer Sheva, which was crossed last week by the primitive rockets of the Islamic Jihad.

When the first Israeli plane enters Iranian airspace, the strait will be closed. The Iranian navy has plenty of missile boats, but they will not be needed. Land-based missiles are enough.

The world is already teetering on the verge of an abyss. Little Greece is threatening to fall and take major chunks of the world economy with her. The elimination of almost a fifth of the industrial nations’ supply of oil would lead to a catastrophe hard even to imagine.

To open the strait by force would require a major military operation (including “putting boots on the ground”) that would overshadow all the US misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. Can the US afford that? Can NATO? Israel itself is not in the same league.

* * *

BUT ISRAEL would be very much involved in the action, if only on the receiving end.

In a rare show of unity, all of Israel’s service chiefs, including the heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet, are publicly opposing the whole idea. We can only guess why.

I don’t know whether the operation is possible at all. Iran is a very large country, about the size of Alaska, the nuclear installations are widely dispersed and largely underground. Even with the special deep penetration bombs provided by the US, the operation may stall the Iranian efforts – such as they are – only for a few months. The price may be too high for such meager results.

Moreover, it is quite certain that with the beginning of a war, missiles will rain down on Israel – not only from Iran, but also from Hizbollah, and perhaps also from Hamas. We have no adequate defense for our towns. The amount of death and destruction would be prohibitive.

Suddenly, the media are full of stories about our three submarines, soon to grow to five, or even six, if the Germans are understanding and generous. It is openly said that these give us the capabilities of a nuclear “second strike”, if Iran uses its (still non-existent) nuclear warheads against us. But the Iranians may also use chemical and other weapons of mass destruction.

Then there is the political price. There are a lot of tensions in the Islamic world. Iran is far from popular in many parts of it. But an Israeli assault on a major Muslim country would instantly unite Sunnis and Shiites, from Egypt and Turkey to Pakistan and beyond. Israel could become a villa in a burning jungle.

* * *

BUT THE talk about the war serves many purposes, including domestic, political ones.

Last Saturday, the social protest movement sprang to life again. After a pause of two months, a mass of people assembled in Tel Aviv’s Rabin Square. This was quite remarkable, because on that very day rockets were falling on the towns near the Gaza Strip. Until now, in such a situation demonstrations have always been canceled. Security problems trump everything else. Not this time.

Also, many people believed that the euphoria of the Gilad Shalit festival had wiped the protest from the public mind. It didn’t.

By the way, something remarkable has happened: the media, after siding with the protest movement for months, have had a change of heart. Suddenly all of them, including Haaretz, are sticking knives in its back. As if by order, all newspapers wrote the next day that “more than 20,000” took part. Well I was there, and I do have some idea of these things. There were at least 100,000 people there, most of them young. I could hardly move.

The protest has not spent itself, as the media assert. Far from it. But what better means for taking people’s minds off social justice than talk of the “existential danger”?

Moreover, the reforms demanded by the protesters would need money. In view of the worldwide financial crisis, the government strenuously objects to increasing the state budget, for fear of damaging our credit rating.

So where could the money come from? There are only three plausible sources: the settlements (who would dare?), the Orthodox (ditto!) and the huge military budget.

But on the eve of the most crucial war in our history, who would touch the armed forces? We need every shekel to buy more planes, more bombs, more submarines. Schools and hospitals must, alas, wait.

So God bless Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Where would we be without him?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:42 am

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/111103/iran-claims-have-proof-us-terror-plots

Iran claims to have proof of US-led terror plots

The Iranian government will release documents that it claims are proof that the US planned terrorist attacks against Iran, according to reports Thursday.
Jessica PhelanNovember 3, 2011 10:35

Written proof of US terror plots will be released on Friday, November 4th, reported Iran's state-owned news channel Press TV.

The head of the Supreme National Security Council, Saeed Jalili, will detail the allegations during a ceremony to mark the anniversary of the 1979 US embassy hostage crisis in Tehran.

More from GlobalPost: Are the US and Israel considering a strike on Iran?

The announcement follows a claim Wednesday by Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei that the US was "the greatest terrorist in the world."

He told a student rally:

"We possess 100 pieces of irrefutable evidence that reveal the US role in directing terrorists for conducting acts of terror in Iran and the region."

The supposed evidence is so explosive that it will bring down the US government, according to Iranian lawmaker Hossein Ebrahimi, Deputy Chairman of the Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy:

"Once Tehran publicizes the evidence in its possession on the US being a terrorist [state] and [Washington's] massacres, the American nation would certainly unite to topple their [ruling] regime."

Tehran has strongly denied recent claims that it backed an alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehman-Parast said the US made up the allegations in order to deflect attention from the wave of uprisings in the Middle East, as well as its own Occupy Wall Street protests, Iranian news agency Fars reported Thursday.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:34 am

The Great Unveiling continues...

The Uri Avenery article was GREAT. I can imagine the Likudniks absolutely detesting him, his (King Bibi) windbag-deflation skills are awesome.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:02 am

Israel’s Big Bluff

How we'll go to war with Iran
by Justin Raimondo, November 04, 2011

In the summer of 2008, an op ed piece by Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, warned:

"Israel will almost surely attack Iran’s nuclear sites in the next four to seven months – and the leaders in Washington and even Tehran should hope that the attack will be successful enough to cause at least a significant delay in the Iranian production schedule, if not complete destruction, of that country’s nuclear program. Because if the attack fails, the Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war – either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb."

The Israeli government has been openly threatening Iran with attack for years, and we have learned not to take their outbreaks of war hysteria too seriously. During the last year of George W. Bush’s final term in office, there was heightened speculation that Tel Aviv was pressuring Washington to launch such an attack, and indeed it appears Vice President Dick Cheney argued for precisely that, albeit to no avail. Now the war talk has been revived by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who, along with his defense minister, Ehud Barak, has not only been arguing within the Cabinet for such a strike, but has now supposedly moved into the implementation stage.

We are told by the Israeli media that there is a big debate going on, with two former top officials – Meir Dagan, recently retired as head of the Mossad, and Yuval Diskin, head of Shin Bet – going so far as to leak the specifics of Bibi’s scheme in order to torpedo the plan. Dagan is said to have remarked that the war plans are "the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard" – and he’s quite right.

The problem with this alleged plan is that Israel doesn’t have the military capacity to do the job and do it well: Iran’s nuclear facilities are enclosed within hardened sites, and are spread out to such a degree that Israeli war planes would have trouble reaching them. While the Israelis have recently tested a long-range missile that has the capacity to hit Iranian targets, the idea that they could take out all the intended targets in one fell swoop is simply a fantasy. Therefore, this alleged "debate" taking place within the Israeli leadership, complete with a phony "investigation" by Netanyahu into who leaked the nonexistent Israeli attack "plan," is a non-event. The whole thing, in short, is a bluff.

But who is being bluffed here? Not the Iranians, who are surely aware of Israel’s incapacity. The volume of the war hysteria is being turned up with one purpose in mind: the Israelis want the US to do their dirty work for them. This is a threat aimed not only – or even primarily – at Iran, but at us.

This has been their modus operandi throughout all the years of the "special relationship": it’s "special" because there is no reciprocity involved. Our unconditional support for the Israeli settler colony has always been an albatross hung ‘round our necks, and never more so than post-9/11, when the need for US allies within the Muslim world is vital. We support them financially, militarily, and politically, while getting absolutely nothing but grief – and more demands – in return.

Under the Bush administration, at least in the beginning, the Israelis had a free hand in Washington, at least as far as the White House was concerned. Their agents of influence permeated the national security bureaucracy and were in place when the 9/11 attacks occurred, ready and willing to carry out a policy that benefited Israel at America’s expense. This has always been Israel’s ace in the hole: the existence of a strong domestic lobby in America to push its interests to the exclusion of all else. While support for Israel is nearly reflexive in the GOP, in part due to the influence of Christian evangelicals of the dispensationalist persuasion, the lobby is also firmly entrenched in the Democratic party, especially in its Clintonian wing.

The lobby’s open hostility to the Obama administration – based on the mere possibility that there would be a more even-handed approach to the Middle East after Bush – culminated in Vice President Joe Biden’s disastrous visit to the Jewish state, where he was ambushed and humiliated by the Israelis.

However, the relationship soon jelled into a more traditional, less openly adversarial mode. Under the "team of rivals" rubric – pushed by plagiarist and court historian Doris Kearns Goodwin in her hagiographic book on Abraham Lincoln’s administration, and Bush idolator-turned-Obamaite Andrew Sullivan – the divisions in the winning Democratic coalition would be healed by replicating Lincoln’s historic compromise with his rivals, incorporating them into the Cabinet. This campaign was successful because it both flattered Obama, likening him to one of the giants of American history, and reduced his power in the key realm of foreign policy – the one area where he is perceived as "weakest," at least from the War Party’s perspective.

The ruling elite was prepared for "change" in all but one area, and so a bargain was struck: Obama would stick to domestic policy, where he would have his hands full anyway, and the Clinton gang would get to set the foreign policy agenda, with the ultimate authority – and responsibility – vested in the President.

With Hillary Clinton’s appointment as Secretary of State, the question of America’s relationship to Israel was turned over to the right-wing of the Democratic party, which has always been among the happiest hunting grounds of the Israel lobby. It was the Clinton administration, you’ll recall, that nearly freed convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, until a rebellion in the military-intelligence community made Bill back off: as a kind of compensation prize, the Israelis got a pardon for financier and reputed Mossad asset Marc Rich, Clinton’s last disgraceful act carried out in the Oval Office. Hillary’s record when it comes to the Palestinian question is down-the-line support for the official Israeli position, with only minor disagreements — such as occurred over the settlements issue — that are soon "resolved" in Israel’s favor.

The announcement of a "plot" by the Iranians to blow up a Washington restaurant with the Saudi ambassador in it was met by near universal skepticism, except where it counts – in Washington and the capitals of Europe. Yet this almost comical tall tale is just the first shot over the bow in the ongoing propaganda war: next week we’ll be hearing from that den of thieves known as the United Nations, whose nuclear watchdog agency will issue a new report on alleged Iranian nuclear weapons research, which promises to be more serious. The British, for their part, have announced their support for military action in advance, and the rest of the West, along with our Arab satraps, is bound to follow in their wake. It is left to the Americans, however, to give the command to strike – not the Israelis.

Israeli efforts to drag us into a war with Iran have so far been limited to provoking Tehran’s proxies in the region – Hamas, Hezbollah, the Syrian Ba’athists – into a direct confrontation with the US. The Netanyahu regime has abandoned this policy of indirection and gradualism, however, and instead opted for a direct assault on the problem: by constantly threatening to strike themselves, the Israelis are counting on their domestic lobby to push the Americans into acting preemptively.

This plan appears to be working. Although the last US intelligence assessment [.pdf] of Iran’s nuclear capabilities asserted with near certainty that Tehran had abandoned its weapons program in 2003, the War Party isn’t too concerned about making its case airtight: the Israel lobby has both parties, and Congress, in its hip pocket, and with Hillary leading the charge the "existential threat" to Israel’s very existence will be met with US force. It’s only a matter of timing.

The War Party, however, has another problem, and that is the objective factors which militate against another war at this time, number one being the imminent collapse of the world economic system, and specifically the instability of the banks. As the dominoes of the Euro-zone fall one upon the other, and the US banking system itself comes under threat, the question of how to finance this war, even while its economic consequences – starting with $200 a barrel oil prices – are visited upon our heads.

This problem can be solved, however, if the political consequences of this "perfect storm" of war and economic implosion line up with the stars. With America at war, the economic privations we will have endured anyway will be masked by the general numbness induced by the atmosphere of crisis. Your home has been foreclosed? You’ve lost your job, or you can’t get to your job because it costs $100 in gas to travel one way? Blame it on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the "nuclear madman" of the Middle East.

The very real financial crisis of the West will be resolved by the introduction of yet another crisis, in this case a completely manufactured and ginned up one. Imbued with new authority, the Obama administration will take full advantage of the wartime atmosphere to impose "emergency" economic measures, commandeering the economy in the name of "national security" and getting the Republicans to go along with it on "patriotic" grounds. We’ll be subjected to endless demands for bipartisan "unity" in the face of a foreign "threat," with both "left" and "right" factions of the War Party inundating the air waves and the blogosphere with war propaganda.

Can it be stopped? Looming economic disaster can’t be forestalled much longer: no matter how many band-aids they put on the cancer, the only cure for the underlying illness is the shock of deflation – and a meteoric plunge in the standard of living. The social and political consequences of such a descent would threaten the very foundations of our political system, and tear the fabric of society apart: war, in such a circumstance, is a unifying factor, one that directs the energy and anger of the populace outward, at some fake foreign "enemy," rather than at the real enemy, which is right there in Washington, D.C.

In the face of this, the supposedly "anti-government" ideology of the Republican "tea party" would vanish overnight, and aside from criticizing the President for not prosecuting the war with sufficient militance, the GOP would line up behind the commander-in-chief. A new comity would come to Washington. Cut the budget? Not in wartime! The only way the Republicans are going to allow a tax hike, which the Obamaites have been yearning for – and which Occupy Wall Street supports in the form of a "transaction tax" – will be if they call it a "war tax," or a "kill the Muslims tax." Such a meeting of the minds is in the works.

As both parties march us off to war with Iran, the reality of who holds the power in this country comes ever clearer in focus: the "team of rivals" that binds the Obamaites to the Clintons also includes to the Republican party establishment when it comes to the question of war and peace. All these factions compete with each other in seeing how low they can kowtow to the Israel lobby: Pat Buchanan’s quip that Washington is "Israeli-occupied territory" is right on the mark.

The Zionist project of a "Greater Israel" faces two big obstacles: Hamas and Hezbollah, backed by Syria and Iran. The Syrians are being taken care of in other ways, but the Iranians are a harder nut to crack. The only hope is to drag the US into a military confrontation with Iran, and let our GIs fight and die for Israel. The question is how to sell this to the American people. Even if the Iranians were to be so foolish as to weaponize their nuclear capabilities – and there is no convincing evidence that they are doing so – this would hardly constitute a credible threat to the United States, or even to Israel. After all, the US faced off with a nuclear-armed Soviet Union, which had enough nukes to extinguish all life on the planet: and yet the stand off lasted throughout the cold war, which never did get hot enough to allow for a nuclear exchange. Both sides were deterred by the horrific consequences of their own weaponry, and the world escaped the worst case scenario.

Indeed, by this measure, a nuclear-armed Iran is hardly an "existential threat" to Israel. For the equalization of the military balance of power would result in a tense but lasting "peace," and eliminate the possibility that Israel – which does have nuclear weapons, and plenty of them – would use nukes against Iran or anyone else in the region, without fear of retaliation in kind.

Such logic, however, is alien to the Washington mindset, which cannot frame the question objectively and has lost all sight of American interests when it comes to the Middle East. This is the result of the distortion of the policymaking process, which has fallen under the undue influence of foreign lobbyists who serve Israel’s interests above all. This is why the issue of Israel’s nuclear arsenal – the single most destabilizing factor in the Middle East – never comes up in our discourse.

The Israel lobby is hell-bent on war, and is likely to get it: but they have to be careful. To launch such a project in the midst of a presidential election season is a risky business. They must do everything in their power to prevent the election from becoming a referendum on the war question, and the simplest way to do that is to make sure both major candidates are securely in the War Party’s camp. That’s the only way they can win: by rigging the outcome.

What’s needed is a mass mobilization against this administration’s war plans, but frankly I see little hope of such a movement arising. The left in this country is so tied to the Obama administration that such a development is highly unlikely to get off the ground, and the right – except for the Ron Paul brigades – is certain to line up in favor of military action in defense of Israel, which they love more than their own country.

In short, we are headed for disaster. As Bette Davis once put it: fasten your seat belts, it’s going to be a bumpy night!
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:22 am

November 03, 2011
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Iran
Secrets of the Troika
by MICHAEL TEITELMAN

The recent publication of Dick Cheney’s memoir, In My Time, completes the trilogy of the Bush presidency. The other two members of the war troika have already weighed in with their own contributions to the record. George Bush’s Decision Points and Donald Rumsfeld’s The Known and the Unknown appeared last year. Neither made much of a splash, but Cheney stirred up some dust because, unsurprisingly, he was nastier than the others, particularly to Condoleeza Rice and Barack Obama.

I am surely one of the few readers of CounterPunch to plow through all 1725 pages of the trilogy. This was neither enlightening nor edifying, but neither was it an exercise in intellectual masochism. I read all three volumes with a singular purpose: to see what clarification the troika would provide of a quiet, little known event that occurred a few months after a triumphant Bush declared victory in Iraq in 2003. It received cursory attention from the political class and the media. Then it dropped from view.

In 2003, the Iranian government made a formal diplomatic proposal for direct, comprehensive negotiations about all major issues, grievances, and conflicts that fueled the hostility in their dealings with each other. This was a critical juncture in Iranian-American relations. It offered the possibility of exiting the impasse that began with the overthrow of the Shah and the occupation of the American embassy in 1979.

Bush did not respond to the Iranian offer. Not for the first time in his dealings with the Middle East, he eschewed diplomacy. His decision went unannounced and unexplained. Eight years later, it is still a non-event. Instead, he chose to intensify the long standing policy U.S. policy of vilification, distrust, isolation, sanction, and threat of military attack.

Some may ask, why care, to the point of suffering through three undistinguished memoirs, about a little known decision that changed nothing. It is my contention that the absence of this duet– the Iranian proposal and Bush’s rejection –from political discourse about our relation with Iran distorts public understanding of the ongoing conflict and that this works to the advantage of hardliners in the U.S. government and in the neoconservative policy elite.

Hostility between the United States and Iran is always simmering. The potential for escalation is constant, either because of friction between the U.S., Israel and Iran or because of internal political developments in each nation. In the present climate, war may or may not be imminent but it is definitely not reassuringly improbable. In the last month, the situation has become grimmer and more dangerous because the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador has aroused the war party in the United States and Israel to clamor for armed reprisal.

Because Bush’s decision has had a negative impact on the evolution of our dealings with Iran, it is not a merely academic exercise to review this recent history and to glean enlightenment from the troika’s memoirs about their decision to reject the Iranian negotiation proposal.

In the spring of 2003, the United States was, for a brief moment, riding high in the Middle East. The Baathist regime and the Iraqi army had been dismantled. The Taliban had been driven from Kabul, and al Queda dispersed into Pakistan. The United States was not yet embroiled in the quagmire of the insurgencies to come. The Iraqi Sunni insurrection had not begun, and the Taliban had not yet reorganized to challenge NATO forces. Hamas was not yet voted into power in Gaza. Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the linchpins to U.S. hegemony in the region, were stable dictatorships. Israel’s military dominance was unchallenged. Oil was flowing, and the price was to our liking. Mahmud Ahmadinejad was not yet a player.

The position of the Iranians was precarious but not bleak. On the upside, Iran’s hostile neighbors were vanquished. In the west, Saddam Hussein was in hiding. In the east, the Sunni Taliban who had been massacring Shiite Afghanis were swept away. Relations with the United States had been improving; the reformist government of Mohammed Khatami and the Clinton administration had taken symbolic steps toward rapprochement. After the September 11 attacks, Iran supplied the U.S. with intelligence on the Taliban and imprisoned al Queda fighters who retreated into Iran. The U.S. recognized Iran’s cooperation and its strategic importance by including it in the multilateral Bonn conference in December, 2001 which set up the provisional Afghan government and installed Hamid Karzai in its top position.

On the darker side, Iran was now surrounded by combat ready American land forces and by air power projected from bases in central Asia in the north and the U.S. Fifth Fleet in the Indian Ocean. Despite Iranian cooperation, Bush displayed the administration’s undiminished hostility by enrolling Iran into the axis of evil in his 2002 State of the Union Address. A pre-emptive strike on Iran was on the policy wish list of neoconservative operatives like Paul Wolfowitz and Eliot Abrams in the Defense and State Departments. Israel was issuing sporadic threats of military attack.

The Iranian leadership could not ignore the possibility that the American troika, then reveling in its power and (temporary) success, might be dreaming of regime change in Tehran. Sizing up its vulnerability, the Khatami government made a bold move. They sent a formal proposal to negotiate through the Swiss Embassy in Tehran. The memorandum laid out Iran’s aims: cessation of American hostility; removal of sanctions; a stable, democratic government in Iraq; Iraqi reparations for the 1980-88 war; access to advanced technology; recognition of Iran’s security interests in the region; suppression of violent anti-Iranian Kurdish organizations which the U.S. itself designated as terrorist.

The memorandum explicitly recognized aims of the United States: transparent guarantees that Iran would not develop nuclear weapons; full cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency; Iranian action against al Queda and other terrorist groups; support for political stability and non-sectarian democratic institutions in Iraq; termination of material support to Hamas; pressure on Hamas to stop attacks on Israeli territory; acceptance of the Arab League’s 2002 Beirut Peace Initiative which included recognition of Israel’s right to exist, endorsement of a two state solution and ending hostilities with a peace treaty. (The actual memorandum is available in Treacherous Alliance by Triti Parsi.)

The Swiss ambassador delivered the memorandum to Colin Powell in the State Department. Because Powell had been marginalized by the war party in the White House, it was also delivered to Karl Rove by a Republican congressman experienced in Iran-U.S. affairs in order to insure that it would reach Bush’s desk. The Swiss foreign ministry vouched for its authenticity. The Bush administration thought likewise. The proposal reflected the Khatami government’s long standing interest in improved relations. It had been endorsed at the highest levels of the Iranian government. Most importantly, the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini had signed off on the diplomatic initiative.

This was an extraordinary Iranian gambit. It was a bid for a “grand bargain” that opened up the possibility of important benefits for both parties and also for Israel. But the proposal died a quiet death; U.S.-Iranian relations continued down the road of hostility and impasse. Every issue Iran proposed to address has been festering, or worse, ever since. Ahamadinejad was elected President two years later; Iran set out to develop its nuclear technology on an industrial scale; Hamas stepped up its military activity and provoked Israel into a massive self-injurious counterattack on Gaza.

Amazingly, there was apparently no serious deliberation in the U.S. government about how to respond to Iran. Colin Powell was reportedly dumbfounded by Bush‘s decision to ignore the proposal. His deputy, Lawrence Wilkerson, thought that a positive response was a “no brainer”. In the 2005 Senate confirmation hearing on her appointment as Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice testified that she had never seen the memorandum—an astounding admission by the National Security Advisor that she had been shut out by the war troika.

Wanting to understand the rationale of this stealth decision that was unknown even to the Secretary State, I turned to the memoirs of the troika to see what they had to say. The Iranian offer to negotiate isn’t mentioned much less analyzed in the trilogy. The troika doesn’t say a word about why the offer was spurned or why the decision was made without the knowledge and advice of anyone else in the government. Iran appears in their memoirs as a menace, as a rogue state supporting terrorism, as an opportunistic destabilizer in Iraq and Afghanistan, as hell bent on building a nuclear weapon. Not for an instant is it described as an enemy who sought to make peace.

Whether negotiations in 2003 could have had positive and enduring results is an unanswerable question. With hindsight, it is reasonable to imagine that achieving some degree of agreement on the issues Iran put on the table, or even just starting a communicative diplomatic relationship, would have left the U.S. in a better position than it found itself as the years of Bush’s misadventures rolled on.

The troika’s silence buries their reasons for rejecting what they knew to be an authentic proposal. Flush with “victory” and feeling their oats as “Masters of the Middle East”, they may not have given more than a moment’s thought to the decision. Bush, after all, was “the decider” who was wont to make judgments from his gut. Such a mind is easily moved by the self-deception of presidential and nationalistic grandiosity.

There is one rationale that the troika could not express publicly, then or now. It is easy conjecture that they punted because they knew that talking directly with Iran, irrespective of the outcome of negotiations, would undermine pursuit of their superpower fantasies of pre-emptive attack and regime change. An American attack while negotiating with Iran would have been as perfidious as Japan’s sending negotiators to Washington in December, 1941.

So now the U.S. is beleaguered throughout the Middle East and stuck in a tense, fruitless standoff with Iran. In both America and Iran, internal political conflicts, as well Ahmadinejad’s rhetoric, are impediments to opening up broad negotiations. Obama and Hilary Clinton are trapped by their tunnel vision to fretting about Iran’s building a nuclear weapon and meddling in Iraqi politics. And they press on with their program of strong arming other countries into economic warfare against Iran, industrial sabotage and assassination.

Bush’s decision has enduring significance not because it is a missed opportunity but because the erasure of this episode from the historical narrative about Iran shapes political discourse and policy debates in which Iran is cast as the Evil Other: unremittingly hostile, nefarious, dangerous, dark, irrational, and fanatical. The parallel with the Soviet Union in cold war ideology is obvious. The fact that Iran raised the possibility of negotiating issues like the recognition of Israel, withdrawing support from Hamas, and agreeing to international supervision of its nuclear industry doesn’t fit into the official narrative. Neither does the fact Bush that turned them down to preserve the possibility of overthrowing the government of Iran. In the official narrative, we are good, they are bad.

Bush’s decision also has an enduring impact on the Iranian narrative regarding its relationship with the United States. It is not lost on those in the Iranian political class who know of Khatami’s gamble for a grand bargain that Bush’s rebuff was the latest entry in the narrative of depredations the United States has visited on Iran.

Courtesy of the United States, the landmarks of modern Iranian history are coup (aka regime change), dictatorship, and war. The narrative opens in 1953 with an American coup crushing its parliamentary democracy, imprisoning an esteemed democratically elected premier (Mohammad Mosaddeq) , and installing a corrupt dictator (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi) propped up by a savage police organization and prison system (SAVAK); in 1980, punishing Iran for throwing the Shah out by unleashing Saddam Hussein’s invasion which led to an eight year war and almost a million casualties. And then, in 2003, smacking down a reformist president who tries to start negotiations.

Ahmadinejad will soon be gone. There is no telling what direction Iranian politics will take in the next parliamentary and presidential elections. However, whether greens, or reformists or hardliners prevail, the next regime will govern knowing that the U.S. spurned a serious offer to make peace and pressed on with its hostile campaign against Iran. Even those Iranian political leaders who are inclined to better relations with the United States will need to be wary of American power and will need, as responsible nationalists, to keep Iran strong and well defended.

So long as this episode is expunged from the American rendition of its Iran narrative, rapprochement is probably not in the cards anytime soon. Those who press for American dominance in the Middle East are free to foster fear and loathing of Iran. Unimpeded by historical reality, they are free to construe Iran’s distrust and recalcitrance in its dealings with the U.S. as paranoid, hostile, and duplicitous rather than as a cautious, prudent response to a powerful, dangerous opponent that not so long ago thwarted its effort to find accommodation with western powers.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:47 am


'They will want nukes now!': UK & US plan to strike Iran exposed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqpi3oX8kB8

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British officials are reportedly working on a plan to assist U.S. forces in a pre-emptive attack on Iranian military facilities. It follows claims Washington is moving towards a policy of intervention out of fear that Tehran is developing a nuclear weapons program - something Iran has always denied. And political analyst Chris Bambery believes it's the prospect of economic ruin that's motivating the old elite into action...
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:54 pm

Behind the scenes intrigue by the most criminal psychopathic PTB top 1% of the one percenters conspiring to get their ducks-inna-row, playing Russian Roulette/chicken with setting-off another potential world war that will reset their precious chessboard -- possibly as downright evil, reckless and monstrous as anything Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin committed.


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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby slimmouse » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:04 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:Behind the scenes intrigue by the most criminal psychopathic PTB top 1% of the one percenters conspiring to get their ducks-inna-row, playing Russian Roulette/chicken with setting-off another potential world war that will reset their precious chessboard -- possibly as downright evil, reckless and monstrous as anything Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin committed.



I think its important to remember who is/was pulling the strings of Pol Pot, Hitler,Stalin, Mao, Bush Sr/Jr, Obama and co.

Theres a big World wide demonstration taking place against them right now in fact.

They just need to narrow that 1 percent down by a couple of digits.

In my humble opinion, about 90 percent of the 1 percent arent even aware.

Now THAT's a true pyramid.

Any reasonable objections ?

Any serious self aware human riggies still living in the Neantertal/ Darwinistic thought process era along with the rest of the seemingly hypnotised unaware ?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Skunkboy » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:22 am




http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1323/815 ... usion.html


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by Zen Gardner

The hypno-induced psychotic public can't even hear the war drums any more, no matter how loud. They've become background music, white noise or something to tap your foot to. With sadistic glee still warm over Gadhafi's public torture and execution through the streets of Libya, the bloodthirsty mind-controlled western public will count a Syrian overthrow a nice after dinner mint, while monstrous illegal death drone attack reports on innocent civilians in Pakistan and Somalia are savored pastries while sipping their morning coffee.

A monstrous world unleashed while citizens nod and sway to the rhythm of dystopian mechanized war and control.

WW3 Conditioning Complete - They Won't See It Coming

Such is today's surreal world environment. 10 years of genocidal wars and now these latest barbaric atrocities in Libya have made their inroads even broader, in the middle east and even more in the human mind. And as they continue their saber rattling and massive propaganda campaigns, little do people realize they're garnering a tsunami of unspoken public permission with each passing day.

What few are realizing is a war with Iran will no doubt initiate at least a limited nuclear conflagration, the effects of which will change history forever. Diabolically couched as a pre-emptive strike on a rogue nation to save Israel and US interests, such a move will inevitably draw China and Russia into the conflict.

Don't think so? When you come to realize that's exactly what they want, that's when you'll know you're waking up.

When you know a New World Order is the desired outcome, you realize the old world order needs to be debunked, crippled and reset. The global financial and economic structure has been brought to the brink. Sovereignty is being scuttled worldwide, and the population is taking to the streets.

Need I say more?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:51 am

Hammer of Los wrote:
“Beloved God, bless the members of this United States Congress and guide their deliberations, that they may govern this great nation with wisdom and justice, grace and compassion, bringing honor to your name, and your blessing to humankind.”


Well, its a lovely thought.

The only problem is, the thing with prayers, is that they have to have at least some of chance of coming true in order to work. It's the same principle once elucidated by Grant Morrison with regard to magic.

So I am afraid this prayer will be quite useless to help your "great nation."

Or indeed the world.

God help us all.


If faced with that prayer, Jesus would say, "Ah fuck off", surely. But then I'm not Jesus, so who knows. But why would it matter, anyway.

Smash the marketplace.

Windows, at least, are going to have to be broken. So what?

Are we going to apologise for breaking windows? Are we going to feel morally obliged to do so?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Hammer of Los » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:18 pm

The possibility of coming war is the most dire threat.

I pray for the reality of the Space Brothers, bearing in mind what I said above.

That is why the expression of non violence is at its utmost imperative right now.

The occupy and anon movements and all like minded orgs must now fully mobilise with organisation to prevent the next war.

It is essential that we reach out to servicemen and women first and foremost and make sure they know what a conscience is.
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