Evidence that your phone is spying on you

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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:58 pm

My android phone does the same thing. I basically don't give a shit. I don't think it's one of those if you're not doing anything wrong then there's nothing to worry about things. There seriously is nothing we can do. I just keep shit as anonymous as hell. I also don't look at no porn, don't look up how to find a gun, don't look up any "out of curiosity" how would one join a terrorist group. Since the mid 90's I've always used the Internet for purely research and vanilla conversation. They got nothing on me and if "they" did it wouldn't amount to much. But yes, my phone tracks my most likely routes. Facebook seems to know my location too as I get "trending" Seattle news too even though my account is totally fake. It probably comes down to my IP address.

Anyone who has run a "whois" search knows that shit is typically spoofed. Here's this in Seattle that broke yesterday:

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/03 ... or-network

Tor is interesting as it was developed by DARPA. Like 15 years ago, I became interested in it. I quickly realized that it was a potential honeypot so never used it. I just stuck to the tried and true "old way" of conducting everything I do online. Any kind of paranoia has completely gone away in the intervening years. Which is what I find most fascinating. What was my mindset 15 to 20 years ago? What led me to believe what I believed? What was the "trigger" in other words? This needs to be explored in further detail for all of us. But I basically don't give a shit, as I said. There is nothing most of us do online or anywhere else that is "illegal" or even worth notice.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:02 pm

DrEvil » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:19 pm wrote:
Pele'sDaughter » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:17 pm wrote:We have Iphones. My son told me that this morning as he was walking out the door he got a message from google that his route to work is clear and it was going to take x minutes to get to his destination. How did it know he was leaving at that moment or where he was going? Google maps was not open or running in the background. :shock:


Sounds like Google Now, the "AI" assistant. It learns from experience and is always looking at things like your phone's GPS (no need for Google maps to be open). It's probably learned that your son leaves his house (it knows it's his house because he spends every night there) at about the same time each day, and it also knows that he goes to the same place every day and spends x hours there, so it assumes it's his job (it probably also checked with a map and confirmed that he goes to a business address). Couple that with up to date traffic data and it can spit out a message like the one your son got.

At least it's not a pot smoking, racist anti-feminist troll. Yet.
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RE pot smoking, I was talking to a neighbor this morning and we got to talking about the fact that mentioning weed use is safe now. Hey, wanna go get stoned? Or hey, you got any extra buds? Etc. We used to have to have code words.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby DrEvil » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:14 pm

^^Something I've always wondered: How many false alarms do the feds get from Wisconsin (the Dungeon & Dragons "heartland")?

In one modern era espionage game (Top Secret) I played in the guy who wrote the adventure called up a cruise liner and asked for detailed blueprints of a specific ship because he wanted to simulate a terrorist attack (he didn't get the blueprints).

This was before the internet. I can only imagine the kind of searches gamers do today.

Edit: this was a reply to your previous post.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby DrEvil » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:27 pm

82_28 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:02 am wrote:RE pot smoking, I was talking to a neighbor this morning and we got to talking about the fact that mentioning weed use is safe now. Hey, wanna go get stoned? Or hey, you got any extra buds? Etc. We used to have to have code words.


But code words are so much fun! The blue elephant is in a retrograde orbit. Do not touch the cheese!

I still have to talk code here in Norway. The government is completely anal about "vegetables". It's one of the things I really fucking hate about this country. The only party (except for the youth parties) that wants to decriminalize/legalize is the Greens, and they're still pretty small. The mainstream knee-jerk reaction is still "weed leads to heroin and DEATH! And the children!".

A friend of mine recently lost his drivers license for admitting to smoking "vegetables" two weeks prior. It was still in his blood so he was "driving under the influence" (according to our local fascist pigs). :wallhead:
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:46 pm

I will say that I somewhat "fear" that I have used only Linux for 17 years. But then there's this which broke last night/today:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331 ... buntu-bash

Microsoft is reaching out to Linux developers in a way that the company never has before. "The Bash shell is coming to Windows. Yes, the real Bash is coming to Windows," said Microsoft's Kevin Gallo on stage at today's Build 2016 keynote. The announcement received an uproarious applause from the crowd. The new functionality will be enabled as part of this summer's Anniversary Update to Windows 10.

"This is not a VM. This is not cross-compiled tools. This is native," he said. "We've partnered with Canonical to offer this great experience, which you'll be able to download right from the Windows Store." Third-party tools have enabled this sort of thing for years, but a direct partnership between Microsoft and Canonical should offer even more flexibility and convenience for developers who prefer using these binaries and tools.

More importantly, it represents Microsoft's refreshing stance on open-source development. VP Terry Myerson teased "more coming soon" in regards to other possibilities signaling a modernized and extremely open Windows 10. This blog post by Microsoft's Scott Hanselman offers a deeper explanation of the move. "This is brilliant for developers that use a diverse set of tools like me," he said. "This is a genuine Ubuntu image on top of Windows with all the Linux tools I use."


I use Kubuntu, so I guess it's time to go pure Debian. I dumped SuSE when MSFT bought Novell. Tis funny though. I have first hand accounts of MSFT people telling me that Linux and open source software would go nowhere in the 90s. I told them it would eventually be embraced by their company. Of course they're rich now and I am not. But I was right.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:23 am

Thanks, guys. My son discovered Alex Jones about a year ago, so that explains his paranoia. These algorithms still freak me out although they can be quite helpful.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby 82_28 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:40 am

DrEvil » Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:14 pm wrote:^^Something I've always wondered: How many false alarms do the feds get from Wisconsin (the Dungeon & Dragons "heartland")?

In one modern era espionage game (Top Secret) I played in the guy who wrote the adventure called up a cruise liner and asked for detailed blueprints of a specific ship because he wanted to simulate a terrorist attack (he didn't get the blueprints).

This was before the internet. I can only imagine the kind of searches gamers do today.

Edit: this was a reply to your previous post.


Several years ago I was flying into Seattle and there was a wind storm. Most terrifying flight ever. But we landed and every other plane did as well, since we'd had heard about it. Anyhow, I had no idea how we were ever going to land. It was Alaskan airlines. Everyone applauded when we landed. So I get home and write an email to Alaska Airlines asking them how the fuck they did it. Someone in PR emailed me back saying they'd send it to the engineers or whatever. Never heard back.

Didn't dawn on me at the time that, oh yeah, asking a question like that is prolly a "yeah, no". Luckily my brother is an airline pilot and he explained it to me. No human could have confidently landed planes in those conditions. He explained that modern Boeings have a computer that lands the plane when it's like that. He said the computer does tens of thousands of calculations per second when it goes auto.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby lucky » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:37 am

The average time a pilot spends 'in control ' of a trans atlantic flight ??? 5 minutes. How long does it take to taxi a plane....
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby DrEvil » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:50 am

Yeah, the main reason for even having pilots on board nowadays is as a fail-safe and to comfort the passengers.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Grizzly » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:01 am

Tangentially related?
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby zangtang » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:51 pm

none of the phone stuff scares me as much as the 'chinese' sesame credit 'good little citizen' social credit score thing.......

every dystopian phantasmagoria worth losing sleep over - already there, just waiting to be built out and made mandatory.

what fun......
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Harvey » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:29 pm

Seriously, I already knew it but three years of living on windfall, sleeping in ditches and under viaducts emphasised how much I don't need any of this crap. You buy it because advertising executives with a staff of psychology students exploiting value systems of esteem and prestige tell you to.

Just. Say. Fuck off.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Grizzly » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:12 am

'chinese' sesame credit '


indeed, the implications of that are terrifyingly vivid.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:25 am

Grizzly wrote:
'chinese' sesame credit '


indeed, the implications of that are terrifyingly vivid.


I cant help but feel that a similar rating system is already in play here in the US.
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Re: Evidence that your phone is spying on you

Postby Dioneo » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:30 am

Harvey » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:29 pm wrote:You buy it because advertising executives with a staff of psychology students exploiting value systems of esteem and prestige tell you to.


This is worth repeating.

And I'm guilty as charged.
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