The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby alloneword » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:14 am

Source deflection concerns the manipulation of source credibility, with a view to making the source of a given piece of information (and therefore the information itself) appear more credible than it is. In other words it is made to look like a legitimate or highly credible source when, if all the relevant information was available, it would be regarded by most reasonable people with scepticism. Dubious information can be made to seem as though it has high credibility if it is picked up, used or re-used in an intermediary source that enjoys high-perceived credibility. A great deal of routine political and administration information, whose actual sources may be highly partisan and deceptive, can enjoy higher perceived credibility when included in the coverage of mainstream news media. The strategy is amongst the oldest and most common of those routinely deployed by the intelligence community (the notion of deflective source propaganda is discussed in Jowett and O’Donnell, 2015).

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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby American Dream » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:22 am

I don't really know you either alloneword, but it seems clear why mass torture by the Syrian State is a no go for you also. Letting it go at that.
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:32 am

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The article you pasted from The Guardian, AD, cites a report by the Syrian Network for Human Rights (SNHR) as the exclusive source for its information.

Digging a bit into the SNHR, it appears that, far from being a 'neutral' monitor, it is reported to be a front group by the opposition, funded by foreign governments.

Below is an article that delves into this in detail.

To be clear, the below article does not suggest that Assad is free of guilt. Indeed, a direct quote from the below article states:

While there may be little doubt that the Syrian government presides over a harsh police state apparatus, it has also been the target of one of the most expensive and sophisticated disinformation campaigns in recent history.




Behind the Syrian Network for Human Rights: How an opposition front group became Western media’s go-to monitor

Top media outlets turn to the Syrian Network for Human Rights (SNHR) for figures on deaths and detentions, never noting the group’s seamless connection to Syria’s opposition, the support it receives from states that waged war on the country, or its open lobbying for US military intervention.

This is part one in an investigation into government-funded, opposition-linked NGOs that pose as impartial monitors and investigators of the Syrian conflict.

The Syrian Network for Human Rights (SNHR) portrays itself as a neutral “monitor” of Syria’s bloody war. In recent years, the group has become a go-to source for corporate media outlets.

Major US newspapers, human rights organizations, and even governments have credulously echoed SNHR’s dubious reports. But not once have these institutions questioned what exactly the organization is, who funds it, and what its relationship is to Syria’s armed opposition.

An investigation by The Grayzone reveals that the Syrian Network for Human Rights is far from the impartial arbiter that it has been sold as. In reality, it is a key player in the Syrian opposition. Currently based in Qatar, SNHR is funded by foreign governments and staffed by top opposition leaders.

This “monitoring group” has even openly lobbied for “immediate intervention” in Syria by an “international coalition,” citing NATO’s 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia as a model. These explicit calls for foreign military intervention have been repeated for years by SNHR itself, as well as by the organization’s leaders.

Yet one would never know this side of the SNHR’s activities from corporate media reporting.

An ‘independent monitoring group’ run by the Syrian opposition

On May 11, The New York Times published an exposé claiming to provide new details of a “secret, industrial-scale system of arbitrary arrests and torture prisons” in Syria. Filed from Turkey by reporter Anne Barnard, this article centered around the eyebrow-raising claim that 128,000 people have never emerged from Syrian prisons, “and are presumed to be either dead or still in custody.”

The Times’ source for this shocking statistic was the Syrian Network for Human Rights, which Barnard described as an “independent monitoring group that keeps the most rigorous tally.”

SNHR also supplied key data for a June 2 report by Washington Post reporter Louisa Loveluck on the arrests of Syrian refugees who have returned home. The group insisted that “2,000 people have been detained after returning to Syria during the past two years.”

In the past few years, SNHR has been uncritically cited by major news outlets, from The Guardian to The Intercept to The Daily Beast. Western journalists have unquestioningly regurgitated SNHR data to provide statistical heft to gut-wrenching reports on the Syrian government’s alleged abuses.

Even Amnesty International turned to the group for help on a widely promoted report on Syria’s Sednayah Prison. On its website, SNHR boasts that it was the second-most cited source in the US State Department’s 2018 report on the human rights situation in Syria.

When it is cited in mainstream media, SNHR is almost invariably characterized as a neutral observer without any agenda beyond documenting death and abuse. In Barnard’s article, the group was described as “independent,” absurdly implying that it was not affiliated in any way with governments or individuals that have participated in the Syrian conflict.

While there may be little doubt that the Syrian government presides over a harsh police state apparatus, it has also been the target of one of the most expensive and sophisticated disinformation campaigns in recent history.

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The Syrian Network for Human Rights has a reputation for warping numbers to support its ulterior regime change agenda, while relentlessly downplaying the crimes of Salafi-jihadist militias, including ISIS and al-Qaeda’s local affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra.

What’s more, the group’s leadership has openly clamored for Western military intervention, most recently after it issued a dubious report in May on alleged Syrian government chemical attacks that turned out to be sourced to an al-Qaeda affiliate comprised entirely of foreign fighters.


In a report on its website, SNHR acknowledges that it is “funded by states,” though it does not disclose which ones those are.

Given the ideological composition of its leadership and their basing in Qatar, it is easy to deduce that those government funders are the same ones that have bankrolled an Islamist insurgency in Syria to the tune of several billion dollars, costing many thousands of lives and helping to fuel a refugee crisis of titanic proportions.

So why have so many journalists who depended on SNHR omitted vital context like this while attempting to pass the group off as “independent”? Perhaps because providing readers with the full truth about the organization would raise questions in their minds about its credibility – or lack thereof – and expose yet another journalistic narrative designed to trigger Western military intervention.

Citing the Syrian Network for Human Rights as an independent and credible source is the journalistic equivalent of sourcing statistics on head trauma to a research front created by the National Football League, or turning to tobacco industry lobbyists for information on the connection between smoking and lung cancer. And yet this has been standard practice among correspondents covering the Syrian conflict.

Indeed, Western press has engaged for years in an insidious sleight of hand, basing reams of shock journalism around claims by a single, highly suspect source that is deeply embedded within the Syrian opposition – and hoped that no one would notice.

Expert: SNHR is ‘more partisan and less objective’ than other pro-opposition monitors


The Syrian Network for Human Rights has spent years systematically whitewashing and downplaying the crimes of ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other extremist groups while inflating the numbers of those killed by government forces.

In a typically slanted report in 2017, SNHR claimed that the Syrian government was responsible for over 92 percent of all deaths during the conflict. Meanwhile, the group reported that “extremist Islamic groups” like ISIS and al-Qaeda’s local franchise were responsible for less than 2 percent of those killed. As usual, the organization provided nothing to back up its absurd numbers other than a cartoon graph.

SNHR’s death tolls stand in stark contrast with those of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), another widely cited organization dedicated to tracking casualties in the Syrian conflict.

Based in Coventry, England and run by a single pro-opposition figure, Rami Abdulrahman, the SOHR has received funding from the British Foreign Office to monitor deaths in Syria.

But unlike SNHR, SOHR has asserted that the death toll among government forces has been almost equal to that of opposition fighters, with over 60,000 dying to beat back a foreign-backed insurgency.

Even the explicitly pro-opposition, UK-based "monitoring group" SOHR is acknowledging that more than 1/3rd of the people who have been killed in the war in Syria are pro-government forces — roughly equal to the number of rebels who have been killed.https://t.co/oTcJfwApR7 pic.twitter.com/rH4Zq8JG2g

— Ben Norton (@BenjaminNorton) March 12, 2018



Because numbers like these undermine the one-sided narrative fashioned by Western media and NGOs dedicated to regime change, many have turned to SNHR instead for more politically convenient statistics spun out through graphics simple enough for a child to digest.

“SOHR is more reliable than SNHR, which is closely associated with the Syrian opposition,” explained Joshua Landis, professor of international and area studies at the University of Oklahoma and a leading expert on Syrian affairs, in an interview with The Grayzone.

“SOHR is also associated with the opposition, but the head is sympathetic to the Kurdish opposition which perhaps makes him a bit more even handed than either of the main antagonists, who have been known to play fast and loose with the facts,” he said.

Landis emphasized that “SNHR is more partisan and less objective” than the pro-opposition SOHR, adding that “it is impossible to know what the real statistics are for the obvious reasons.”

Indeed, the United Nations stopped tabulating deaths in the Syrian conflict in 2014, citing the difficulty it had in obtaining even remotely accurate numbers.



https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/14/syri ... tion-snhr/

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As with most 'news' in our current climate, digging beneath the surface is paramount in this era of information warfare. Wouldn't you agree, AD?
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby Elvis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:51 am

While there may be little doubt that the Syrian government presides over a harsh police state apparatus, it has also been the target of one of the most expensive and sophisticated disinformation campaigns in recent history.


I can see why this is a no-go for some people.

Of course the disinfo campaign would involve a broad network of paid assets and useful idiots spreading the propaganda. I wonder if assets get paid in cash or by deposit.
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby alloneword » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:00 pm

As for Trump, you might ask me a question and I give you an answer that might sound strange. I say that he is the best American President, not because his policies are good, but because he is the most transparent president. All American presidents perpetrate all kinds of political atrocities and all crimes and yet still win the Nobel Prize and project themselves as defenders of human rights and noble and unique American values, or Western values in general. The reality is that they are a group of criminals who represent the interests of American lobbies, i.e. the large oil and arms companies, and others. Trump talks transparently, saying that what we want is oil. This is the reality of American policy, at least since WWII. We want to get rid of such and such a person or we want to offer a service in return for money. This is the reality of American policy. What more do we need than a transparent opponent? That is why the difference is in form only, while the reality is the same.

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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby alloneword » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:26 pm

^^ He's wrong, BTW...

For eight years we’ve been spoonfed an assortment of radically different narratives explaining why the US needs to control Syria militarily, and it turns out that the US and its allies have been plotting to control Syria since long before then. This is because Syria occupies an extremely geostrategically valuable location that is in no way limited to its oil fields. In 2004 Assad launched his “Five Seas Vision“, a plan to use Syria’s supreme location to place itself at the center of a regional energy and transportation system and become an economic superpower. The nation was then plunged into chaos seven years later, but whoever manages to secure control over this location will be able to achieve the same lucrative energy and transportation control for themselves. The dispute over pipeline routes that many have highlighted is just one small example of this. There’s also the illegally occupied Golan Heights which the extremely shady Genie Energy corporation has a vested interest in, and which provides a third of Israel's water supply, and which the US has decided to officially regard as Israeli property.

So it’s a geostrategically crucial region, and it happens to have no interest at all in allowing itself to be absorbed into the blob of the US-centralized power alliance, allying itself instead with the unabsorbed nations of Russia and Iran. This has made it the epicenter of a giant global imperialist struggle the implications of which stretch far beyond its borders to the rest of the world.

This is the real reason why half a million Syrians have died in an imperialist proxy war, and why many more Syrians continue to suffer under US-led sanctions and the deprivation of their nation’s valuable natural resources. Not because of humanitarianism, not because of democracy, not because of chemical weapons, not because of ISIS, not because of Iran, not because of Kurds, and not even really just because of oil, but because there’s a globe-spanning oligarchic empire to which Syria has refused to submit. Everything else is empty narrative.

Whenever you see anyone arguing for keeping troops in Syria that aren’t there with the permission of the Syrian government, this is all they’re really supporting: a campaign to annex a strategically valuable location into the US-centralized empire. This is true regardless of whatever reason they are offering for that support. And notice how all the different reasons we’ve been inundated with all appeal to different political sectors: the oil and Iran narratives appeal to rank-and-file Republicans, the humanitarian arguments appeal to liberals, and the Kurds narrative appeals to many leftists and anarchists like Noam Chomsky. But the end result is always the same: keeping military force in a location that the empire has long sought to absorb.

By providing many different narratives as to why the military presence must continue, the propagandists get us all arguing over which narratives are the correct ones rather than whether or not there should be an illegal military occupation of a sovereign nation at all. This is just one of many examples of how the incredibly shrinking Overton window of acceptable debate is used to keep us arguing not over whether the empire should be doing evil things, but how and why it should do them them.

Don’t fall for it. It is not legitimate for the US empire to occupy Syria for any reason. At all. “Because oil” is not a legitimate reason. “Because Kurds” is not a legitimate reason. “Because ISIS” is not a legitimate reason. “Because Iran” is not a legitimate reason. “Because Russia” is not a legitimate reason. “Because freedom and democracy” is not a legitimate reason. “Because chemical weapons” is not a legitimate reason. And those who are driving this illegal occupation know it, which is why they keep shifting to whatever’s the most convenient narrative in any given moment.



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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:38 pm

an extremely geostrategically valuable location


True enough, but it's been found to be true of EVERYWHERE at some point. Everywhere is in between somewhere and somewhere else, home to an essential prize or to access of it. Empire never rests. It's why those rocks and that dirt in Afghanistan was home to the 'great game', as the demented imperialists called it. Heartland theory, Mackinder. Angola and Mozambique had to be controlled in the 80s, because they were extremely geostrategtically valuable. Which they weren't, really. In reality, it's a bottomless psychology. A drive to control all. Vietnam, for fuck's sake. What was the point?! Extremely geostrategically valuable location. Can't let the Russkies have it. Anywhere on the planet that isn't under control, or sufficiently fucked up for the crime of not being integrated, is going to be identified sooner or later as 'an extremely geostrategically valuable location'. It will be seen as a blemish, a cancer, a threat, and then defined as the heartland next to the heartland nearest the heartland. Empire, the highest form of power formation, never allows or understands limits until it is burned. The big ones never really learn, they get burned over and over and keep coming until they fold from within, for unpredictable reasons, a dozen or two hundred years later.

Also, sorry, I'll still take Chomsky, and Bookchin, and Graeber, over the self-made American oracle of Australia. Rojava didn't even start as a rebellion against Damascus! There was never a plan to secede from Syria. It started as resistance to the jihadi takeover. At some point YPG was forced to accept the American intervention or die at the hands of the jihadis. As we have finally seen now, for the last time, the latter in that region were organized and run out of Turkey. And YPG always knew they were going to be betrayed by the Americans, but should they have therefore chosen death? Yes, the PKK is at the core of the Rojava resistance, and it is not terrorist but a liberation army, and what they created was and is humanist, true, courageous and beautiful. And the next part is yet another bloody tragedy, but they knew it was a very likely one.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:28 am

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Germany arrests two Syrians suspected of crimes against humanity

Pair believed to have left Syria in 2012 are accused of links to torture by Assad government

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A woman looks at images of bodies at the UN HQ in New York in 2015. The images were smuggled out of Syria between 2011 and mid-2013

The federal prosecution service in Karlsruhe said in a statement: “From April 2011 at the latest, the Syrian regime began to suppress all anti-government activities of the opposition nationwide with brutal force. The Syrian secret services played a vital role in this. The goal was to use the intelligence services to stop the protest movement as early as possible.”

Anwar R is suspected of heading a secret service department that operated a prison near Damascus. He is accused of participation in the torture and abuse of prisoners between April 2011 and September 2012.

The prosecutors said: “As head of the investigative division, Anwar R directed and commanded prison operations, including the use of systematic and brutal torture.”

Eyad A is thought to be a former officer who aided and abetted the murders and physical abuse of around 2,000 people between July 2011 and January 2012.

He is alleged to have been responsible for guarding a checkpoint close to Damascus in 2011, where typically around 100 people a day were arrested before being imprisoned and tortured in Anwar R’s jail.

The arrest warrants for the pair were issued several months ago. Warrants have also been issued against at least 24 other alleged members of Assad’s government, including Jamil Hassan, the head of Syria’s notorious Air Force Intelligence Directorate.

Hassan is wanted in Germany for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity, and is believed to have tortured and murdered tens of thousands of civilians. The ECCHR is assisting torture survivors to file cases against their alleged torturers.

Evidence against Hassan was gathered in interviews with other Syrians, some of whom live in Germany.

Anwar R has apparently not made a secret of his role in torture, expressing the view that his flight from Syria and his application for asylum in Germany is evidence enough that he has distanced himself from his past.

Substantial evidence against the men was gathered as a result of the exhibition of so-called Caesar photographs in the UN headquarters in New York in March 2015, which depicted the corpses of thousands of torture victims alongside personal testimonies. The photographs were taken by a former member of the Syrian military police calling himself Caesar, who fled Syria with the images in 2013.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... e-officers



American Dream » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:49 pm wrote:
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Mizyed was one of the lucky ones. He and his family are now adapting to life in a refugee camp in Lebanon

Number 72 knew help wasn't coming. He was just another number among thousands of detainees. Repression and corruption was a way of life, and the people of Homs, like Mizyed, had to bow to the regime's supremacy. A wave of protests calling for reforms had engulfed the Arab world in 2010 and the Syrians, too, had stood up and challenged their regime, Mizyed among them.

The protests attracted the wrath of the regime. Right at the top of Assad's coterie was and remains Jamil Hassan, the chief of the air force intelligence, which ran the most notorious detention centers where dissidents were "interrogated." As if the degrading treatment of thousands of inmates wasn't enough, in an interview in 2016, General Hassan said he would have liked to have quelled the opposition through even harsher means.

Had Bashar emulated his father Hafez' severity in dealing with the uprising, the general said, the war would have ended much earlier, a reference to Hafez' crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood-instigated rebellion in the early 1980s.

Mizyed didn't remember '82. However, he became aware of Assad junior's ruthlessness when images of maimed teenagers from a neighboring province, Daraa, appeared on television screens. They were tortured for drawing anti-regime graffiti.

He supported the locals who armed themselves to protect the town of Baba Amr from Assad's excesses. However, he asserts, he never picked up a weapon and only helped the Free Syrian Army in their civil and humanitarian campaigns.

Then a piece of shrapnel pierced his eye, partially blinding him — a result of Assad's bombing campaign on Baba Amr. He was on his way to a hospital when two Syrian soldiers stopped his vehicle. "Don't you know it is unsafe to drive these days?" said one of them. It was their type of joke.

A perpetual nightmare

They escorted him to Saydnaya prison, one of General Hassan's detention centers, the first stop on what would be a long and excruciating ordeal. Recounting the tortures ordered by General Hassan, he said: "They electrocuted me three times a day. Once my toenail popped out with the impact."

Then, one day in February 2013, the brigadier at the detention center called for him. They let him have a shower and gave him new clothes.

His first feeling was relief. Relief from the smell of which he reeked, from the daily ordeals. That day, he was someone, even if they were going to kill him.

He couldn't comprehend why they let him go, but all of it came to an end, abruptly. Later he found out that he might have been released in a prisoner swap mediated through the elders of Homs. The rebels had released two Russians weeks before, in exchange for rebels and their supporters who were still alive in captivity.

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Mizyed doubts that that the Syrian regime's perpetrators will ever pay for their crimes

He walked to Lebanon with his family among hordes of others seeking safety and now lives in a refugee camp in the Bekaa Valley.

Now, five years later, the wounds have healed but the scars are still visible, evidence of the crimes committed against his body.

He was, he says, robbed with impunity of any semblance of dignity. There is no apparent route to trial for his perpetrators. Russia and China have vetoed a UN move to refer the Syrian regime to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

More: https://www.dw.com/en/syrian-detainee-n ... a-44998055
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 am

Assad’s slaughterhouse defies description, but it’s horrifyingly real

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According to Amnesty, Saydnaya prison is an extermination centre where starvation and torture are the prelude to mass hangings, up to 50 at a time

Tue 7 Feb 2017

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‘Saydnaya is like a grindingly bleak horror film – a series of depraved acts that almost defies description.’ Illustration: Amnesty

After the pulverising bombings, the brutal sieges and the barbaric chemical weapons attacks, you might think nothing could shock you now about the catastrophic conflict in Syria. You’d be wrong.

Amnesty has learned from prisoners who were detained there and released and former guards about what they describe as a calculated programme of extermination taking place in one of President Bashar al-Assad’s military prisons – Saydnaya, in Damascus. Here, they have told Amnesty, thousands of civilians considered opponents of the regime are systematically starved, deliberately dehumanised, mercilessly tortured and finally hanged in the utmost secrecy in the dead of night, 20 to 50 at a time. These witnesses have described executions and the conditions in the prison before December 2015 but they could be continuing.

It’s like something from a grindingly bleak horror film – a grotesque series of depraved acts that almost defies description. I wish it weren’t true. But I’ve sat and talked to one of the survivors of Saydnaya, and I know it’s all horribly real. Amnesty has gathered testimony from 31 former Saydnaya detainees as well as former guards, and we calculate that between 5,000 to 13,000 people have been hanged at Saydnaya since the uprising against Assad began, possibly many more.

On top of that witnesses have described deaths through sadistic beatings, starvation and disease. They have said that food and water are regularly cut off for prisoners at Saydnaya. When food is delivered, it’s often dumped in the blood, puss and dirt of the cell floors. The prison also has its own set of “special rules”. Prisoners are not allowed to make any sounds, speak or even whisper, even when being brutally beaten. They’re forced to assume certain positions when the guards come into the cells and merely looking at the guards is punishable by death.

Here’s how one former detainee described the terrifying beatings that those about to be hanged are made to endure: “We would hear a huge sound. From 10pm until 12, or from 11pm until 1am, we would hear screaming and yelling come from below us … This is a very important point. If you keep silent, you will get less beating at Saydnaya. But these people were screaming like they had lost their minds … It wasn’t a normal sound – it was not ordinary. It sounded like they were skinning them alive.”

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Before and after: a Saydnaya detainee

As for the hangings themselves, witnesses have described how they are carried out in the basement of a place called the White Building. After hours of beatings, groups of up to 50 blindfolded men at a time are taken to the execution site by white delivery trucks (called “meat fridges” by other prisoners) and made to stand on a metre-high platform. Here a noose is placed over their heads and they’re bundled to their deaths.

Not all the hangings result in quick deaths. Some of the lighter men are still alive several minutes into the hangings, and two prison officials have the job of pulling on the bodies of those still alive to break their necks. One former detainee, Hamid (not his real name), told me how he could hear the sounds of the hangings as he and other prisoners slept on the floor of the rooms above: “There was a sound of something being pulled out – like a piece of wood, I’m not sure – and then you would hear the sound of them being strangled … If you put your ears on the floor, you could hear the sound of the gurgling. This would last around 10 minutes … We were sleeping on top of the sound of people choking to death. This was normal for me then.”

Those being killed in this unbelievably cruel way are only told they’ve been sentenced to death a few minutes beforehand. First they’re taken out of Saydnaya to a “military field court” at a military police headquarters in the al-Qaboun district of Damascus. Here they’re rushed through a mockery of a trial lasting no more than three minutes. No lawyer. No evidence. Blindfolded for the whole process. A predetermined guilty verdict and a death sentence. Then a return to Saydnaya – more torture and a grisly, hole-in-the-wall death.


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‘After hours of beatings, groups of up to 50 blindfolded men are taken to the execution site.’


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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:25 am

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The first line in that Gabbard-9/11 hackjob reads:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) wants Americans to believe that their government has concealed the truth about the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.


False framing/lies/misinformation from the onset in that intro line alone.

[The government has concealed. Full stop. It's what governments do. It's self-evident to any human with objective reasoning skills. So why is it presented here?]

As Mac indicated, tripe like this -- particularly with respect to 9/11 -- has no place in RI. AD knows it. He's been called out on it by mods numerous times.

What purpose does it serve here other than to derail, inflame and cause further disruption?
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:32 pm

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‘They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine

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The pathologists were our superiors. We weren’t allowed to talk to them, let alone ask questions. When one of them gave us an order, we obeyed. They’d say: “Photograph these bodies, from No 1 to No 30” – for example – “then push off.” To make identification easier for anyone searching the files, we had to take several shots of each corpse – one of the face, one of the whole body, one from the side, one of the chest, one of the legs. The bodies were grouped by branch – for example, there was one place for Branch 215 of military intelligence and another for the aerial intelligence branch. That made it easier to take the photographs and file them afterwards.

I had never seen anything like it. Before the uprising, the regime tortured prisoners to get information; now they were torturing to kill. I saw marks left by burning candles, and once the round mark of a stove – the sort you use to heat tea – that had burned someone’s face and hair. Some people had deep cuts, some had their eyes gouged out, their teeth broken, you could see traces of lashes with those cables you use to start cars. There were wounds full of pus, as if they’d been left untreated for a long time and had got infected. Sometimes the bodies were covered with blood that looked fresh. It was clear they had died very recently.

I had to take breaks to stop myself from crying. I’d go and wash my face. I wasn’t doing well at home either. I’d changed. I’m naturally pretty calm, but now I would get annoyed easily – with my parents, my brothers and my sisters. Really, I was terrified. The things I had seen during the day kept coming back to me. I imagined my brother and sisters becoming these bodies. It was making me ill.

I couldn’t stand it any more, and I decided to talk to my friend Sami.

* * *

Caesar wanted to quit his job, he wanted to defect. Sami, a construction engineer, was a long-time family friend. The two men had known each other for over 20 years, but under the regime, there were things no one talked about: no one criticised the system, not even to close family or friends. Then Sami’s friend confided in him: “I’ve seen bodies showing signs of torture. None of them has died of natural causes. And there are more of them every day.” In tears, Caesar said: “What do I do?”

Sami was painfully aware of all the violent deaths that had gone unreported in Syria over the years. The prisoners who had died in silence, in the regime’s dungeons; protesters who had been killed and their bodies disappeared. He persuaded Caesar to carry on in the job, since he was in a unique position to collect proof from inside the system. He promised to support him, whatever happened. For two years, the young photographer risked his life copying the thousands of photographs of detainees that we can now see on the internet and in the Holocaust museum in Washington DC.

Before the civil war, there had been torture in Syrian prisons. Prisoners talked about it after their release. The regime intended these accounts to be told and retold; they wanted them to serve as a warning, so that terror would seep into every household. But Caesar’s photos report torture and death, indexed and archived by the regime. This time, it’s the state itself giving an account of the terror it has inflicted on its people. These pictures, taken in the dungeons of military hospitals, are irrefutable proof of brutality. Compared to the emotional amateur films made by freedom fighters in city streets, these official documents freeze the blood.


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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby Elvis » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:03 pm

American Dream, your post ridiculing 9/11 "conspiracy theories" is completely unacceptable at RI. You were suspended for it by stillrobertpaulsen and warned multiple times not to do it again. Further, you have since committed this offense more than once. If you do it again, the consequences will be worse.

The post is deleted, as are others' posts that reposted it, and you are suspended for one week.
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:04 pm

Trump ‘approves expanded military mission’ to secure Syria’s oil fields
Decision raises legal questions about whether American troops can attack Syrian or Russian forces threatening the oil
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 87021.html
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

Postby Jerky » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:01 pm

So you're just going to flat-out erase any post that asks inconvenient questions now, too?

Why did you do that? I didn't curse. I asked reasonable questions that deserved answers. You just up and erasing my post -- particularly considering the content and context -- is completely unacceptable.

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Postby Elvis » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 pm

Your questions were a series of strawmen. As usual. Don't bother rephrasing them. The subject is moot.

And anyone else pissing all over Jeff's 9/11 writing can expect the same.
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