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Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:38 pm

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A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.
BY MARK PERRY | JANUARY 13, 2012

Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah -- a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel's Mossad. The memos also detail CIA field reports saying that Israel's recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel's ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad's efforts.

"It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," the intelligence officer said. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

Interviews with six currently serving or recently retired intelligence officers over the last 18 months have helped to fill in the blanks of the Israeli false-flag operation. In addition to the two currently serving U.S. intelligence officers, the existence of the Israeli false-flag operation was confirmed to me by four retired intelligence officers who have served in the CIA or have monitored Israeli intelligence operations from senior positions inside the U.S. government.

The CIA and the White House were both asked for comment on this story. By the time this story went to press, they had not responded. The Israeli intelligence services -- the Mossad -- were also contacted, in writing and by telephone, but failed to respond. As a policy, Israel does not confirm or deny its involvement in intelligence operations.

There is no denying that there is a covert, bloody, and ongoing campaign aimed at stopping Iran's nuclear program, though no evidence has emerged connecting recent acts of sabotage and killings inside Iran to Jundallah. Many reports have cited Israel as the architect of this covert campaign, which claimed its latest victim on Jan. 11 when a motorcyclist in Tehran slipped a magnetic explosive device under the car of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a young Iranian nuclear scientist. The explosion killed Roshan, making him the fourth scientist assassinated in the past two years. The United States adamantly denies it is behind these killings.

According to one retired CIA officer, information about the false-flag operation was reported up the U.S. intelligence chain of command. It reached CIA Director of Operations Stephen Kappes, his deputy Michael Sulick, and the head of the Counterintelligence Center. All three of these officials are now retired. The Counterintelligence Center, according to its website, is tasked with investigating "threats posed by foreign intelligence services."

The report then made its way to the White House, according to the currently serving U.S. intelligence officer. The officer said that Bush "went absolutely ballistic" when briefed on its contents.

"The report sparked White House concerns that Israel's program was putting Americans at risk," the intelligence officer told me. "There's no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

Israel's relationship with Jundallah continued to roil the Bush administration until the day it left office, this same intelligence officer noted. Israel's activities jeopardized the administration's fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

"It's easy to understand why Bush was so angry," a former intelligence officer said. "After all, it's hard to engage with a foreign government if they're convinced you're killing their people. Once you start doing that, they feel they can do the same."

A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing -- a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

"In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush's national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The debate over Jundallah was resolved only after Bush left office when, within his first weeks as president, Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S.-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, according to multiple serving and retired officers.

The decision was controversial inside the CIA, where officials were forced to shut down "some key intelligence-gathering operations," a recently retired CIA officer confirmed. This action was followed in November 2010 by the State Department's addition of Jundallah to its list of foreign terrorist organizations -- a decision that one former CIA officer called "an absolute no-brainer."

Since Obama's initial order, U.S. intelligence services have received clearance to cooperate with Israel on a number of classified intelligence-gathering operations focused on Iran's nuclear program, according to a currently serving officer. These operations are highly technical in nature and do not involve covert actions targeting Iran's infrastructure or political or military leadership.

"We don't do bang and boom," a recently retired intelligence officer said. "And we don't do political assassinations."

Israel regularly proposes conducting covert operations targeting Iranians, but is just as regularly shut down, according to retired and current intelligence officers. "They come into the room and spread out their plans, and we just shake our heads," one highly placed intelligence source said, "and we say to them -- 'Don't even go there. The answer is no.'"

Unlike the Mujahedin-e Khalq, the controversial exiled Iranian terrorist group that seeks the overthrow of the Tehran regime and is supported by former leading U.S. policymakers, Jundallah is relatively unknown -- but just as violent. In May 2009, a Jundallah suicide bomber blew himself up inside a mosque in Zahedan, the capital of Iran's southeastern Sistan-Baluchistan province bordering Pakistan, during a Shiite religious festival. The bombing killed 25 Iranians and wounded scores of others.

The attack enraged Tehran, which traced the perpetrators to a cell operating in Pakistan. The Iranian government notified the Pakistanis of the Jundallah threat and urged them to break up the movement's bases along the Iranian-Pakistani border. The Pakistanis reacted sluggishly in the border areas, feeding Tehran's suspicions that Jundallah was protected by Pakistan's intelligence services.

The 2009 attack was just one in a long line of terrorist attacks attributed to the organization. In August 2007, Jundallah kidnapped 21 Iranian truck drivers. In December 2008, it captured and executed 16 Iranian border guards -- the gruesome killings were filmed, in a stark echo of the decapitation of American businessman Nick Berg in Iraq at the hands of al Qaeda's Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In July 2010, Jundallah conducted a twin suicide bombing in Zahedan outside a mosque, killing dozens of people, including members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The State Department aggressively denies that the U.S. government had or has any ties to Jundallah. "We have repeatedly stated, and reiterate again that the United States has not provided support to Jundallah," a spokesman wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal, following Jundallah's designation as a terrorist organization. "The United States does not sponsor any form of terrorism. We will continue to work with the international community to curtail support for terrorist organizations and prevent violence against innocent civilians. We have also encouraged other governments to take comparable actions against Jundallah."

A spate of stories in 2007 and 2008, including a report by ABC News and a New Yorker article, suggested that the United States was offering covert support to Jundallah. The issue has now returned to the spotlight with the string of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists and has outraged serving and retired intelligence officers who fear that Israeli operations are endangering American lives.

"This certainly isn't the first time this has happened, though it's the worst case I've heard of," former Centcom chief and retired Gen. Joe Hoar said of the Israeli operation upon being informed of it. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they're extremely dangerous. You're basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not."

The Israeli operation left a number of recently retired CIA officers sputtering in frustration. "It's going to be pretty hard for the U.S. to distance itself from an Israeli attack on Iran with this kind of thing going on," one of them told me.

Jundallah head Abdolmalek Rigi was captured by Iran in February 2010. Although initial reports claimed that he was captured by the Iranians after taking a flight from Dubai to Kyrgyzstan, a retired intelligence officer with knowledge of the incident told me that Rigi was detained by Pakistani intelligence officers in Pakistan. The officer said that Rigi was turned over to the Iranians after the Pakistani government informed the United States that it planned to do so. The United States, this officer said, did not raise objections to the Pakistani decision.

Iran, meanwhile, has consistently claimed that Rigi was snatched from under the eyes of the CIA, which it alleges supported him. "It doesn't matter," the former intelligence officer said of Iran's charges. "It doesn't matter what they say. They know the truth."

Rigi was interrogated, tried, and convicted by the Iranians and hanged on June 20, 2010. Prior to his execution, Rigi claimed in an interview with Iranian media -- which has to be assumed was under duress -- that he had doubts about U.S. sponsorship of Jundallah. He recounted an alleged meeting with "NATO officials" in Morocco in 2007 that raised his suspicions. "When we thought about it we came to the conclusion that they are either Americans acting under NATO cover or Israelis," he said.

While many of the details of Israel's involvement with Jundallah are now known, many others still remain a mystery -- and are likely to remain so. The CIA memos of the incident have been "blue bordered," meaning that they were circulated to senior levels of the broader U.S. intelligence community as well as senior State Department officials.

What has become crystal clear, however, is the level of anger among senior intelligence officials about Israel's actions. "This was stupid and dangerous," the intelligence official who first told me about the operation said. "Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they're supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don't think that's true."
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby Nordic » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:50 pm

Right. Bush was angry. "I'm shocked, shocked! to find this going on!"

Obviously this was a group effort. This is just a way to justify it because apparently it was gonna leak out anyway. In fact, its sorta old news.

And of course Mossad would do the dirty work so America could deny it, and of course they posed as non-Israelis, because if you're recruiting Islamic extremist terrorists to be your tool, the last thing you want them to know is that you're Israeli.

Sure, being CIA isn't that much better, but it is, somewhat.
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:45 pm

Nordic wrote:And of course Mossad would do the dirty work so America could deny it, and of course they posed as non-Israelis, because if you're recruiting Islamic extremist terrorists to be your tool, the last thing you want them to know is that you're Israeli.


I disagree: in most cases, the assassinations were purely provocative acts that serve no other purpose but to provoke Iran into responding in kind and potentially sparking a bloody war that would be catastrophic for both sides.

In contrast, forcing the US into attacking Iran is an urgent priority for Israel; so urgent that it's abandoned caution and is openly, stridently mobilizing all its assets to push for it. The very fact that the US has managed to resist the unrelenting, massive campaign to 'bomb Iran' suggests that there are strong forces within the US establishment who oppose it.

The Mossad has a long history of abusing its "friendships" with other states by using their passports or stealing their citizens' identities in their terrorist operations, which serve their own interests even when these directly conflict with those of their "friends", or poison already fragile but strategically important relationships between their "friends" and other states.

The US is hardly, as it's disingenuously claiming, above committing bloody terrorist acts. Still, not even a Mafia hit man can afford to allow a loose cannon to pursue his own goals while assuming the former's identity.

But things get infinitely more complicated when the CIA itself, as well as other US government agencies, have themselves been penetrated by the Mossad or are subject to domestic political pressures wielded by Israeli agents:

Israel's activities jeopardized the administration's fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing -- a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

"In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush's national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:58 am

Of all the people or organisations I might've expected an intelligence agency to impersonate, another intelligence agency wasn't one of them. I need to read more Paul Auster.
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:02 am

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This article cites exclusively anonymous sources. I urge caution in interpreting the statements or doping out the agendas of "anonymous intelligence officials" when not even their agencies are specified. Are these guys career agents, contract agents, or appointed officials of an administration? Their current status could be as public or corporate employees, or as independent consultants. They could be military or civilian, and those of them said to be retired may merely be "retired." Also, "retired" is likely to mean that they worked for the Bush regime, for which this article provides apologetics. All you know is that the sources (assuming they exist) are "intelligence," a job that usually involves constructing legends and lying all the time, even about who you are.

But let's assume they're all real. What is their clearance? You don't know. You can surmise their careers depend on pretending their knowledge is complete and perfect even when they know it's not. Each sits in a compartment within a labyrinthine mansion of many rooms (as Angleton put it), generally sealed off from seeing fully into other compartments. They may be in conflict, or they may be acting roles in a made-up conflicts. They may be genuine critics of Israeli influence who are right in all they say, or they may be dupes deceived into delivering a legend. You don't know and don't get to know.

All you can know with some certainty is that agents calling themselves CIA recruited Jundallah members to carry out violent sabotage and atrocities in Iran, during the period right after the US Congress allocated $400 million toward covert actions to destabilize the Iranian government (as announced on ABC News, no less), a time when the US was also recruiting other groups to act against Iran.

You can also be certain that Israel wants the US to join it in a war on Iran, or for the US to wage one on its own. Israeli politicians have reached a stage when they do not seem to care if they are blamed for the war, as long as the US goes all-in and backs them up to the bitter end.

You can be certain that elements within USG want a war on Iran, and that other USG elements are decidedly against it and have so far been able to prevent it. Unlike the Israelis, the USG elements who want war generally also want the ability to disown it, and I have no doubt this was the faction to which we can assign Bush (whom the article tellingly exonerates of evil intentions).

Beyond that you cannot know to whom the anonymous sources from unknown agencies are pitching their interpretations by speaking to Foreign Policy. All of the following are possible: the recruiters of Jundallah were Mossad (or contract agents) acting independently of CIA, as the article claims; they were Mossad authorized to pose as CIA by CIA, and also willing to be portrayed as doing so against the CIA's will, meaning that the article is part of a theater; they were Mossad and non-CIA US elements posing as CIA; CIA is now pinning it on Mossad with or without the Mossad's agreement; they were originally CIA but later Mossad, etc. etc.

Whatever the case, the atrocities by Jundallah and other covert operations against Iran cannot be targeted with sufficient precision to degrade Iran's military strength or end the alleged nuclear arms program that Iran does not actually have. Based on political psychology, I agree with Alice that the point of commissioning Jundallah et al. to commit atrocities against Iran is to enrage the Iranian rulers and provoke violent reactions, to get a pretext for war or at least to further blacken Iran's image.

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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby Nordic » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:03 am

And one must keep in mind that it's possible that the entire story could be complete fiction.
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:03 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Of all the people or organisations I might've expected an intelligence agency to impersonate, another intelligence agency wasn't one of them. I need to read more Paul Auster.


I'm surprised. It's their favorite thing to do. Double, triple, quadruple agents who don't even know their real name any more.
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:15 am

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Cross-posting to the long-running Stuxnet thread, where we've had similar debates about what Stuxnet really means (in the meta sense), to what degree it was as described or exaggerated, what it was really supposed to accomplish, etc.

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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:49 am

JackRiddler wrote:
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Of all the people or organisations I might've expected an intelligence agency to impersonate, another intelligence agency wasn't one of them. I need to read more Paul Auster.


I'm surprised. It's their favorite thing to do. Double, triple, quadruple agents who don't even know their real name any more.


I know, I know. It's no surprise. But I got so used to them posing as charities, NGOs, churches, educational bodies, media consultant and PR firms, etc. as well as hippies, environmentalists, musicians, victims and perpetrators of non-political crimes, and even cops, over the years, that when they straight up say they are intelligence agents (albeit false-flagging themselves as agents of another agency) it feels wrong. They're just not playing fair.
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Postby crikkett » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:16 pm


...I've got three passports, a couple of visas, don't even know my own name...
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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:21 pm

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Relevant old thread...

The Bush regime came with its in-built conspiracy theory.
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Note: I don't mind the debate but don't want to revive the old acrimony over this question. We can each believe as we do, and in the case of this particular story, about CIA and/or Mossad and Jundallah, there is room for several plausibilities.

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Also:

Robert Littell, Legends, 2005.[/b]

After a dimly remembered trauma, a former CIA spy can no longer reliably determine which of his three meticulously constructed cover identities (if any) is actually him. Emotional story-telling and good plot overcome obvious contrivances. Unambiguously condemns USG for selling the early 1990s economic shock treatment that scorched Russia and delivered it to the oligarchs. Hints of 9/11 skepticism are kept implicit.
http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Novel-Dis ... 1585676969


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Re: Mossad posed as American spies to recruit for Jundallah

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:09 pm

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Right, I'm recalling more about this story. It started years ago with reports that CIA was recruiting Jundallah and others against Iran. To see this spin on it come up now entirely from "anonymous officials" smacks of self-exoneration:

"The United States does not sponsor any form of terrorism. We will continue to work with the international community to curtail support for terrorist organizations and prevent violence against innocent civilians. We have also encouraged other governments to take comparable actions against Jundallah."


"No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."


These are bitter laugh lines. If the USG had ever acquired any credibility, for example by expelling and prosecuting those who collaborated and protected the likes of Posada Carilles, to take one example of many...

There's one positive thing you might think about this story, which is that it's coming from a faction inside USG who would like to reduce support for Israel and avoid a war with Iran. Not a bad thing in itself, but from what we've seen of these internal dissenters, especially in the military, they tend to fold and follow orders soon as a war starts.

Here's a round-up from Gold at the Truth Action board:

Jon Gold wrote:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7426

This came out yesterday…

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... false_flag

My biggest problem with this is that it's based on memos that we don't have, and don't know where to get them.

Remember that Dennis Kucinich included this in one of his articles of impeachment against Bush.

If you want to really learn about this... here's my original article about it in 2009. Keeping in mind, that I followed this from the ABCNews report... from the day it was reported. I even spent money on this...

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 9150322886

Here's what I wrote about Newsweek's debunking…

http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak ... es/#fact36

On 3/1/2010, nearly three years after the initial report, Newsweek attempts to “debunk” the claims about Jundullah. However, even though they say “the United States has never had a relationship with Jundullah” in the following paragraph they admit that “there appears to be at least some brief history between the U.S. and Jundullah.” Also, they neglect to mention that Abdolhamid Rigi, Abdolmalek’s brother, made the same claims July 2009 “in a court session held in the southeastern city of Zahedan.”

Here's a transcript from the 4/3/2007 show of Nightline. I had to shell out $14.95 for it.

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=6

Here's a story from Iran...

http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/77844.html

It was ABCNews that was the first to mention Jundallah, but Sy Hersh wrote this story the previous month...

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007 ... fact_hersh

"A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."

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"Some of the core tactics of the redirection are not public, however. The clandestine operations have been kept secret, in some cases, by leaving the execution or the funding to the Saudis, or by finding other ways to work around the normal congressional appropriations process, current and former officials close to the Administration said."

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"The key players behind the redirection are Vice-President Dick Cheney, the deputy national-security adviser Elliott Abrams, the departing Ambassador to Iraq (and nominee for United Nations Ambassador), Zalmay Khalilzad, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national-security adviser. While Rice has been deeply involved in shaping the public policy, former and current officials said that the clandestine side has been guided by Cheney. (Cheney’s office and the White House declined to comment for this story; the Pentagon did not respond to specific queries but said, “The United States is not planning to go to war with Iran.”)"

So ABCNews, and Sy Hersh are two sources for the same story.

He does mention Jundullah in this one…

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008 ... fact_hersh

"One of the most active and violent anti-regime groups in Iran today is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People’s Resistance Movement, which describes itself as a resistance force fighting for the rights of Sunnis in Iran. “This is a vicious Salafi organization whose followers attended the same madrassas as the Taliban and Pakistani extremists,” Nasr told me. “They are suspected of having links to Al Qaeda and they are also thought to be tied to the drug culture.” The Jundallah took responsibility for the bombing of a busload of Revolutionary Guard soldiers in February, 2007. At least eleven Guard members were killed. According to Baer and to press reports, the Jundallah is among the groups in Iran that are benefitting from U.S. support."

Some interesting reading…

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=1

Two quotes from Jeremy Hammond…

"I find this report odd, and it doesn't add up. The earlier reports referred to included Sy Hersh, Richard Sale, the Telegraph, ABC News, etc. It seemed fairly well established at the time. So what are we to make of this? These reports were wrong? But the sources weren't Iranian officials who had been fooled by a false flag op! This FP report argues that those earlier reports are explained by this false flag Mossad operation, but that does NOT explain why American officials told reporters that under Bush the US was supporting Jundallah as a proxy. Did Mossad's false flag op also fool some in the US intelligence community that the CIA was up to dirty tricks?!" - Jeremy Hammond

"A Mossad false flag op could certainly explain why members of Jundallah themselves believed the CIA was backing them. It could also explain why Pakistani officials believed the CIA was doing so. I'm having a harder time believing that such a false flag op could fool cuurent and former members of the US's own intelligence community. Most were anonymous, but take Robert Baer. Was he also getting his info from Pakistani sources when he told Sy Hersh that the US was backing Jundallah as a proxy? Or was he not rather drawing on his own sources within the US intelligence community that he was surely still well connected with? If the latter, were they in turn gathering their info from Pakistani sources who'd been fooled by Mossad's false flag op? So Mossad posing as CIA actually convinced CIA that CIA was backing Jundallah? I'm sure Mark Perry is no slouch, but neither is Robert Baer, or Sy Hersh. I'm not entirely convinced. There's an element of this story that doesn't add up, and a dot or two missing that need connecting." - Jeremy Hammond

To me, I'm betting that the CIA, GID, Mossad and ISI (and maybe a sprinkling of MI6) were all in on supporting radical elements in the Middle East for geopolitical purposes. Like they've always done.

One possibility is that U.S. Officials and American intelligence sources lied when they told ABCNews that Jundullah was being supported by the U.S. If they lied, then maybe these U.S. Officials and American intelligence sources told them it was the CIA in an effort to cover-up for Mossad, even though Bush was supposedly pissed. Now, the CIA is trying to pin the blame on the "right culprit?" I see that as one possibility considering there are pro-Israel elements in our Government. But only if we are to discount the reports by Sy Hersh, ABCNews, the Telegraph, UPI, etc... in favor of this new story. That's one of the reasons the memos are important. I'm betting they were all doing it, and are now trying to cover their asses by pinning the blame on others at a time when things like Israel killing nuclear scientists is a seemingly acceptable thing in Washington D.C.

Another possibility is that those U.S. Officials and American intelligence sources believed it was the CIA, when in fact, it was the Mossad. As Jeremy asked, "Mossad posing as CIA actually convinced CIA that CIA was backing Jundallah?" I don't buy it.

This story DOES point back to Cheney. Depending on which path you take. Something to be considered. I've heard Cheney had "stay behinds" in D.C. Wasn't it Sy Hersh to report on that? I'm not willing to drop Cheney from this equation. Especially not without the memos.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/ ... ey-behind/

Today, Israel emphatically denied it. Something they supposedly don't do very often.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... e-1.407285

One thing is true, Mark Perry's story certainly brings attention to an issue that deserves it.
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