The 2012 "Election" thread

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The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Nordic » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:27 am

I wanted to post this link and realized we don't really have a thread yet for the whole 2012 election nonsense. Yes, I put it in "quotes". Because, well, it's bogus.

Anyway, Bradblog is always a good source of info for this kind of thing.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9080

Not Newt: As Long As We're Guessing How Voters Voted in SC Instead of Counting, Ya Know, Votes...


At the precise moment the polls closed across South Carolina tonight, with zero votes tallied by the 100% unverifiable e-voting systems the state forces voters to use on Election Day, all the news nets, save for CNN (which, in a short-lived moment of being responsible, thought it inappropriate to call the race with only 2 precincts actually reporting, so they waited until 3% were in before calling it), announced that Newt Gingrich was the "winner" of the all-important "First-in-the-South" 2012 Republican Primary.

Steven J. Dorst, however, posted the following shocking statement said to be from the South Carolina Election Commission disputing the news network's reported results which are based completely on the same Exit Polls they told us could not be relied upon after the Presidential Election in 2004 and the NH Primary Election in 2008...

Dark Horse wins 2012 South Carolina Republican Primary!

Columbia, SC 21 Jan 2012 1901 EST - John H. Hudgens, III, Chairman of the South Carolina Election Commission stunned the nation when, seconds after polls closed, he announced Democrat Alvin Greene as the winner of today’s South Carolina Republican Presidential primary.

In a hastily called press conference in the lobby of the building housing the Election Commission, Hudgens reported that Greene received 57.2% of the vote. Herman Cain was a distant second with 17.2%, followed closely by Michelle Bachmann at 16.8%. All other candidates were “in the low single digits.” These numbers were, of course, reported by the 100% unverifiable ES&S iVotronic touch-screen systems used to record and tabulate votes across the entire Palmetto State in the all-important “First-in-the-South” primary.

When pressed for actual numbers, Hudgens said exact vote totals will never be released (much less tabulated), since “The environmentally friendly iVotronic machines decided to only produce percentages, thus saving paper and the wear and tear of computer printers. He added “The state of South Carolina has long maintained that we don’t think it’s all that important to know how voters actually voted, otherwise we would use a verifiable voting system. The important thing is who beat whom, and at 1 minute after polls closed in the great state of South Carolina we’re able to report as much. Anybody who says otherwise is either a liar, has sour grapes, is a conspiracy theorist or a supporter of Ron Paul’s.”

When asked how Greene, who wasn’t on the ballot, could possibly have won, Hudgens replied that he didn’t know, but that he has full faith in the tabulation contractor hired by South Carolina to gather precinct reports and tabulate the totals: “They’re good ole boys and I refuse to believe them capable of playing with the totals. It was probably through an aggressive, write-in campaign.”

Greene, best known for his upset victory in the 2010 South Carolina Democratic Senatorial primary, was reached at his home and reacted “Huh?” but quickly recovered and said he intends to compete aggressively in Nevada and Florida using the secretive and hitherto unknown campaign staff and army of volunteers he first used in 2010. Recently, a few disgruntled volunteers have leaked that his army is primarily composed of hackers, and they insisted on anonymity in fear of identity theft.

Greene’s win today in South Carolina helps the state avoid the embarrassment GOP officials had in Iowa where voters were allowed to vote on paper ballots and watch those paper ballots counted before their very eyes, allowing for an accurate result where Rick Santorum was found to have been the winner by all accounts, even after the GOP establishment there did their best to inaccurately name Mitt Romney the winner.

“There will be no such confusion in South Carolina tonight!,” Hudgens said.


Why not?

The results announced in this fake news release are based on at least as much actual evidence of voter intent expressed at the polls today as the "real results" in South Carolina will be tonight.


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http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9079

Alvin Greene Was Here: 100% Unverifiable Statewide E-Voting in SC's 2012 GOP Primary


The voting systems in use for the nation's first three all-important electoral contests in the 2012 primary --- from Iowa to New Hampshire to Saturday's South Carolina Primary --- go from pretty great to intolerably horrible. And then comes Florida, which deserves its very own special category, thereafter.

The "First-in-the-Nation" caucuses in Iowa allowed voters to vote on hand-marked paper ballots, counted by hand in front of the public at the caucus site, with results announced to everyone right then and there before being called in to GOP headquarters and before ballots were move anywhere. The wonderfully transparent system allowed for Republican voters by the Iowa GOP (which they hypocritically fight against allowing for everybody else in other states, and even in their own during general elections) is just about as close as we general get in this country to Democracy's Gold Standard. It's also what allowed reporting errors to be discovered and confirmed by the public after an election with some 122,000 votes counted transparently within an hour or so of polls closing, leading to almost nobody charging "fraud" even though just 34 votes are said to separate first and second place in the certified results of the impossibly, and historically, close election.

As of the "First-in-the-Nation" primary in New Hampshire, however, election transparency for voters and their ability to oversee their own elections began to disappear. While a lucky 10% of voters enjoyed hand-marked, publicly hand-counted paper ballots, the rest of the state's voters were allowed to vote on hand-marked paper ballots, but forced to tolerate secret tabulation on oft-failed, easily-manipulated Diebold optical-scan systems programmed by a company (LHS) with a history of criminal behavior and convictions. The results from those 90% of Granite State voters may have been tallied accurately by the Diebold op-scanners or, as seen in the disastrous 2008 Presidential Primary, not. Since NH doesn't bother to actually check to see if their machines tallied the hand-marked paper ballots correctly, we're unlikely to ever know if they did --- barring a recount request where, by then, the secure chain of custody of the paper ballots would be uncertain (to put it mildly.)

And now we come to the "First-in-the-South" Republican primary in South Carolina, where all evidence of how voters vote disappears entirely as the voters will be forced across the entire state to vote on easily-manipulated, oft-failed, 100% unverifiable touch-screen voting systems made by the nation's largest voting machine company, ES&S. When the machine-reported results are announced tomorrow night they will either be accurate or not. Either way, there will never be a way for anybody to know one way or the other as there will be nothing to prove how voters voted and nothing to "recount", even if anybody wanted to.

Appropriately enough, perhaps, Saturday's primary in the Palmetto State will offer 100% "faith-based" voting, since it will be scientifically impossible to prove that even a single vote for any candidate on the ballot has been recorded accurately by the ES&S iVotronic touch-screens as per any voter's intent. Known what we mean, Alvin Greene?...


The machines that will be in use on Saturday in South Carolina are the very same ones that reported an unknown, unemployed, seemingly-illiterate man named Alvin Greene --- who had done no campaigning, had no campaign staff, had no campaign money and no campaign website --- had unverifiably defeated Vic Rawl, a four-term state legislator and circuit court judge who had campaigned and raised money across the entire state, for the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate in 2010.

They are the same brand and model of machines (some of them, quite literally, the very same physical machines!) that were used in Florida's contested Congressional District 13 race for the U.S. Congress in 2006 when they inexplicably lost some 18,000 votes in a race ultimately awarded to the Republican candidate Vern Buchanan over Democrat Christine Jennings by just 369 votes. After that election (the one, ironically, held to fill the seat of Republican Rep. Katherine Harris who had previously been the Sunshine State's partisan Sec. of State during the 2000 Presidential debacle Florida momentarily wised up and largely banned touch-screen voting entirely across the entire state. Many of the state's wholly-unverifiable voting machines were then sent to the landfill, but many others were sold to the state of South Carolina.

The 100% unverifiable ES&S iVotronics that are used across the entire state of South Carolina are also the same type of machines that led to impossible numbers in Monroe County Arkansas' primary election in May 2010, when, as The BRAD BLOG reported exclusively, thousands of votes seem to have simply vanished after being reported by the Secretary of State on Election Night. To this day, neither state nor county officials are able to explain what happened.

They are also the same type of machines that were used in Clay County, Kentucky in 2006 when election officials actually changed the votes of voters on the machines after the voters had left "the booth". Eight top officials from the county's Election Commission --- including the County Clerk, a Circuit Court Judge and the School Superintendent --- are all now serving a collective 156 years in the federal penitentiary for those election fraud crimes.

As well, the ES&S iVotronic system is the same one that was discovered to have been "remotely accessed" on "multiple occasions", including for 80 minutes the day before the 2010 general election, in Republican-leaning Venango County, PA, as recently revealed by a forensic audit carried out by two Carnegie Mellon computer scientists --- both of whom were threatened with lawsuits by ES&S for daring to examine their machines. The Republican-majority Board of Elections in the small, rural county had commissioned the study after problems in several recent elections, as the Chairman of the Election Board told us, resulted in inexplicable undervotes, reported touch-screen vote-flipping, and even zero votes registered for several candidates in some locations during recent elections.

They're the same machines that also registered ZERO voters for an Arkansas mayoral candidate in a 2006 run-off election, even though both he and his wife insist they had voted for him, at the very least.

And yes, they're the very same machines which resulted in a 2008 train-wreck in South Carolina itself, when they failed to even boot up across the entirety of Horry County at the beginning of the day during that year's Republican Primary election, forcing voters to scramble for pieces of paper --- even scraps of paper towels --- to try and cast a vote, since there were not enough emergency paper ballots on hand to overcome the disaster.

Other than that --- and this long and storied history of other disastrous ES&S failures --- the 100% unverifiable voting machines that will be used across the entire Palmetto State in Saturday's all-important "First-in-the-South" primary election are great!

Since these machines are used across the entire state, expect Election Day stories of machine failures and the usual reports of votes flipping before voters' eyes on the touch-screens. For those who may have chosen to vote absentee in SC, as the only way to be allowed a vote on a paper ballot, many, no doubt, are disappointed that their votes for Jon Huntsman or Rick Perry were all but "wasted" as those two have both dropped out of the race since voters began mailing in absentees. If only those voters had been allowed to vote on paper on Election Day, like those in the civilized world.

We recommend concerned citizens take photos of voting machine poll tape results printed out at the end of the day when polls close at each precinct. Sometimes that can come in handy if there are questions about reported results later. But other than that, whatever the state and media tell you are the results of the election --- no matter how "unexpected" those results may or may not be --- will most likely be the results of the election, whether they actually reflect the way voters attempted to vote or not.

It's a helluva way to run the "World's Greatest Democracy", ain't it?

But, don't worry, Florida's primary is just 10 days later, and Early Voting there starts Saturday as well. So what could possibly go wrong?



It's great to see that Americans have an outstanding ability to refuse to learn anything from the past.

Completely hackable e-voting is here to stay. Which means our elections are, in effect, meaningless. To us at least.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:15 am

So much injustice, so little care.
Rage against the ever vicious downward spiral.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby NeonLX » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:10 pm

Just watched a little of the mainstream media coverage of the South Carolina primary results. Don't know (& don't care) what network it was, but it sure was a revolting spectacle. I wonder why I bother to pay attention.

Brad is doing great work--but unfortunately, it seems to amount to pissing into the wind given the current apathetic climate in this here krazy kountry.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby sunny » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:16 pm

I intend to sit this one out altogether. Even if there was a candidate worth voting for, electronic voting machines make it futile. Family talked me into voting for Obama and I did it even with the many suspicions I had about him. [all of which turned out true] I won't make that mistake again.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Nordic » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:45 pm

Yeah there really is no point any more.

And is it me, or are the lamestream propaganda units devoting about a hundred times more minutes per day on this useless distraction than they did only 3 years ago?

I mean CNN devoted 5 hours last night to tell us something that only took two words to commuicate: "gingrich won". Same thing for NH and Iowa.

Hell it took a damn giant cruise ship to wreck and roll over in the sea to get them to look away from these sleazy schlubs even for a second.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby slomo » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:37 pm

Did I read it here at RI, or did someone at a party last night say it? I paraphrase: "Political news must be the cheapest news to produce, because there's so much more of it than anything else."
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby DrVolin » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:43 pm

It is very cheap. Taxpayers pay for the raw material, and partisan think tanks pay for the 'analysts' and sometimes even the 'reporters'. The rest is stage managing, and even that is kindly provided by TPTB.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Grizzly » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:43 pm

953 dead people voted in SC primary: http://www.wtoc.com/story/16571904/sout ... -primaries

South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 7:26 PM MST Updated: Jan 21, 2012 7:26 PM MST

Already, there has been some question into folks who cast their ballots on Saturday.

South Carolina's Attorney General, Alan Wilson has notified the U.S. Justice Department of potential voter fraud.

Wilson says an analysis found 953 ballots cast by voters were people who are listed as dead.

He has asked the State Law Enforcement Division to investigate.

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby sunny » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:50 pm

Again with the frickin' 'voter fraud'. :hrumph It's not the voters who are doing it.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby eyeno » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:08 pm

sunny wrote:Again with the frickin' 'voter fraud'. :hrumph It's not the voters who are doing it.



Are you saying ghosts don't have a right to vote? :bigsmile


I'm with ya on the no voting thing. I haven't voted in the last two or three elections.

I go back and forth on that one though. Is it good or bad? Am I adding to the problem by not voting?

If we don't vote they will simply appoint someone and we get what we get. So maybe we should vote simply to keep the option open?

And on the other hand

We get what we get anyway regardless of who we vote for because the votes are not properly recognized. So we could all vote the same guy and still get a blue man from Mars with six legs and six arms.

What do you think? Should we vote to maintain the right to vote, or refuse to vote to send a message? How would that message be interpreted? As apathy, and that we are all asleep? Or as a protest to denounce the system?

And does it matter?
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby slomo » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:48 pm

eyeno wrote:
sunny wrote:Again with the frickin' 'voter fraud'. :hrumph It's not the voters who are doing it.



Are you saying ghosts don't have a right to vote? :bigsmile


I'm with ya on the no voting thing. I haven't voted in the last two or three elections.

I go back and forth on that one though. Is it good or bad? Am I adding to the problem by not voting?

If we don't vote they will simply appoint someone and we get what we get. So maybe we should vote simply to keep the option open?

And on the other hand

We get what we get anyway regardless of who we vote for because the votes are not properly recognized. So we could all vote the same guy and still get a blue man from Mars with six legs and six arms.

What do you think? Should we vote to maintain the right to vote, or refuse to vote to send a message? How would that message be interpreted? As apathy, and that we are all asleep? Or as a protest to denounce the system?

And does it matter?

Last presidential election I voted during the last hour the polls were open, making a last-minute decision to participate at an "energetic" level in a mass expression of hope for change (you know what I mean), but fully understanding what kind of president Obama was likely to be (out of a sense of dharma or concern for generating good karma, I don't know which). I was expecting a Clinton, which would have been bad enough, but would have at least enabled a delusion that it was possible to pay lip service to ideals of justice and peace. Instead we got an eloquent, African-American version of Dubya.

No more illusions.

This election I'm explicitly not voting as a vote of no confidence in the system. I'm hoping for significantly lower voter turnout, so low that it signals to the PTB that the illusion is over and we collectively know that the whole thing is cruel, fraudulent deception.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Nordic » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:50 am

I may vote for the sheer rollicking hell of it, and because our Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, seemed to have actually done something about the whole black box voting nonsense.

But I'll only vote if there's a candidate who represents me, otherwise I will never waste my time again.

In a state likeb south caroline its obviously a complete waste of time no matter how you vote.

Right now Rocky Anderson is the only guy I would even consider, and I haven't checked him out that closely. Don't know who the Greens are putting uyp, but I feel I would owe them a look.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Avalon » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:51 am

WTF? This does not seem to be a joke. Rick "Frothy" Santorum's campaign has just announced the Conservatives Unite Moneybomb fundraising initiative.

Initials C.U.M.

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https://www.ricksantorum.com/unite/[/url]

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:03 am

Wasn't that comedian standing in South Carolina? Herman Cain?

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby wordspeak2 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:55 am

I know that Jill Stein, who's from my home state, is one of the potential Green Party candidates. She's totally awesome- very articulate, great class consciousness, outgoing about legalizing pot, a medical doctor as her profession; I've seen her speak. Personally, I'd rather vote third party than not vote. And regardless of how bad our candidates are/get, I think vote fraud is a humongous issue, and we have to fight it. Go BradBlog and others. You risk your life taking that issue on.

I'm also considering voting for Ron Paul in Massachusetts' open Republican primary- a capitalistic pig Paul may be/is, but we live here in reality, and in reality this is a vote to end imperialism and the Drug War. When was the last time that anyone who could articulate the need to terminate the U.S. as an Empire and the domestic Drug War as well got this close to the Oval Office? Probably never. So it's not actually fucking complicated, speaking of fucking.
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